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Proposal Draft

When going through the wiki, I often come across pages like Fwoosh that have infoboxes showing their first appearance in a game, and their latest appearance in... a port or remake of that game. Yes, Super Mario 3D All-Stars may literally be the latest release to feature it, but I feel like this misses the point of the inbobox entries. In my mind, it gives a quick look at the history of the subject. Bull's-Eye Blaster being introduced in Super Mario Bros. 3 and appearing in Super Mario Bros. Wonder quickly gives the jist that this is a historic subject that continues to see use today. Meanwhile, Bob-omb Buddy's appearances being Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 3D All-Stars just tells me that it was in 64, despite the extensive history that they actually have.

To remedy this, I propose that these infoboxes should distinguish when the latest appearance is in a reissue. When it is, the box will be split to have the reissue game displayed alongside the subject's most recent original appearance, in a fashion much like non-Super Mario characters list both their latest overall appearance and latest Super Mario appearance. This would have some caveats and nuances.

A reissue should only be noted as such if the subject also appeared in the original game. Triangular Block does not appear in Super Mario Bros. 3, so Super Mario Advance 4 is an original appearance.
Similarly, If a subject appears in new content within a reissue, then the reissue constitutes a new appearance. This would apply to Blockstepper as it appears in Bowser's Fury.
If a subject only appears in a game and its own reissue, then no note is necessary. The original game does not need to be listed twice, much like subjects that are only in one game.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A

Support: SM64 is not a new game

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: The latest appearance is the latest appearance

Comments Deluxe HD (Nintendo Switch)

Proposal 2 Draft

This has been cooking for a long while... I've felt like the scope of the Hard Block article is overly broad. Super Mario Maker formally introduced the concept of Hard Blocks, as an extension of the mosty solid but still breakable blocks in the New Super Mario Bros. games. As SMM does, it retroactively applied this concept to Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, and Super Mario World. The Hard Block article treats the blocks that bear these designs in these original 3 games as being Hard Blocks, which I do not like.

You can make an argument that the blocks in SMB1 and SMW, "Stairblocks" and "Stone Blocks" respectively, are predecessors to the Hard Block. They are solid ground which cannot be broken or interacted with, sure, but Mushroom Platforms in SMB1 were also fully solid. Becoming breakable is simply a trait they gained with the coming of more powerful hardware. I don't think this holds for SMB3's "Wood Blocks" though. While mostly acting the same as the aforementioned two blocks, Wood Blocks are also sometimes bumpable from the sides, or even contain items. This is a trait absolutely no Hard Blocks have. On top of that, the most significant thing in my eyes is Super Mario Maker 2. By drawing a one-block-thick line of Ground in the SMB3 Sky style, it takes the appearance of Wood Blocks. These are explicitly not Hard Blocks. It is fully solid ground that cannot be broken or moved. Yet, since it is Wood Blocks... It would go in the Hard Block article?

Hard Block

Wood Block

Both

So... I think Wood Blocks should be split. The article would document the various appearances of the circularly-striped rounded block that appears in Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Maker, and Super Mario Maker 2. Both the Hard Block and Ground versions would be included. The Hard Block article would then only cover the actual Hard Block in the Super Mario Maker games.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)

Deadline: N/A, 23:59 GMT

Split Wood Blocks: Woodn't it be nice?

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

Status Quo: It's a Hard Block life

Comments: Hard truths

draft 3

I think this article should really be moved to Fake Bowser (blue). I find there to be two main arguments in favor of the Bowser's Brother name:

1. "Fake Bowser (blue)" isn't a proper translation of the Japanese name.

This is true, the Japanese name given by the Mario Portal is 「クッパ（青）」, which translates as "Bowser (blue)", not "Fake Bowser". Japanese sources have rather consistently just called this fellow some variation on "Blue Bowser". But... Thats still the official given name. We cover Goombas, Koopa Troopas, Lakitus, and Bowser himself with their distinct English names just fine. I find it hard to consider this some kind of mistake, considering Super Smash Bros. for Wii U also calls this guy an imposter and "blue fake", in both English and Japanese even. And even so... "Bowser's Brother" is far worse in this regard.

2. The name "Fake Bowser (blue)" is a misnomer, as he's a real Bowser who doesn't turn into an enemy on death (except for that one level).

I think this argument misunderstands "Fake Bowser" as Nintendo is intending to use the concept. "Fake Bowser" is not a mook transformed to resemble Bowser, It's any instance of Bowser being impersonated. This can be seen in the aforementioned Smash 4 tip, Calling the blue boy an imposter, and even the source "Bowser's Brother" comes from. The subsequent page after Bowser's Brother is mentioned, Bowser himself is addressed as "THE REAL DEAL - No more fakes!" (It should be mentioned that no, the guide is not referring to the green fakes here, the book actually recognizes them as the real Bowser.) Bowser's Brother is a Fake Bowser, an imposter, not the real king. This is suggested by every single English name source, from the Player's Guide, Smash 4, and the Mario Portal.

draft 4

This is a proposal for a... very, very, very major change. So... bear with me.

This wiki has a bit of a "breadth vs. depth" problem. It covers the entire Super Mario franchise, including Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and all environs, which is very cool and admirable. However... articles about subjects that span this massive franchise, like Mario, Goomba, or ? Block are... a bit shallow when it comes to talking about individual games? It's been a longstanding gripe of many that the wiki often doesn't even say what levels enemies appear in a majority of the time. Recently, I found myself befuddled by the wiki's frankly dire coverage of the Super Mario Maker games. Good luck figuring out what course parts can be put onto a track! All the information about everything is forced to fit into the prose of its History header, which really squeezes out the nuance.

Per discussion on the wiki, this could be fixed by the introduction of something we're calling subpages. Now, it should be stressed that this isn't referring to the specific MediaWiki formatting system of slashes indicating child pages. This is a general organizational concept, which may or may not need to use that system. Consider the Mario article like a Museum of Mario. The actual "Mario" page is the museum's atrium. A hub, showing off Mario as the famous Super Mario franchise mascot who has appeared in countless games and media. From the atrium, you can enter various dedicated wings. Individual articles covering Mario as he applies to particular games and series in-depth. Each area, such as one for RPGs, one for mainline platformers, and one for non-game media, would be free to act like an independent article, focusing solely on the topic at hand. These articles aren't truly about distinct subjects, they're all "Mario". But they all shine a light on a very distinct side of Mario.

As an example, I have drafted a subpage for Goomba focusing on its function as a course part in the Super Mario Maker series, which can be read here. As you can see, there is a lot to talk about in regards to this single facet of Goomba's history, which is currently only covered by the wiki in about two paragraphs.

good god more drafts

Where does the name "World 1-Airship" come from? "World One Dash Picture-of-an-Airship". After all, SMB3 doesn't directly state level IDs in a way that'd display like this, and the icons we're using are sometimes cobbled together, like which is an edit of the credits sprite to use the World 8 map color palette. Surely if these names are stated officially, they have official icons used in them, right? I asked this question a few days ago on the discord server. The answer? No one knows.

What!? I was actually so baffled by this possibility, but as far as we could find, across Nintendo Power guides for SMB3, SMAS, and SMA4, SMA4's save file select screen, even the Encyclopedia, None of them rendered any SMB3 levels with an icon. Just written names like "World 1-Fortress" and "World 2-Pyramid". So what are we doing here!?

The wiki has, for years, been rendering SMB3 level names with icons, apparently because of the NSMB games, released almost a decade after this game. In order to facilitate these arbitrary icon names, sprites from the world maps were plucked and tweaked to be forced into being level ID icons. Then the names were never considered conjectural, not even "World 5-Fortress 2" which has formatting based on absolutely nothing. Thus, no one questioned these names that seem to violently violate naming policy by being conjectural names that use images in them. I want to stop this.

Supporting this proposal would be to support removing all use of the Template:world and Template:World link templates in regards to Super Mario Bros. 3. A small handful of pages would also be moved to follow the names used in the Nintendo Power Super Mario All-Stars guide. Those being the duplicate Fortresses and Pirahna Plants per world, which will use parenthetical (first) and (second) rather than the arbitrary extra numbers, and World 8-Bowser's Castle (Super Mario Bros. 3) being renamed to "World 8-The Castle of Koopa".

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A

World Support-Remove Icons

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

World Oppose-X

World Comments

Navbox splitting

Extra Yoshi Table

Non games

Key
	Playable character	Rideable mount	Non-playable character

Media	Green	Red	Blue	Yellow	Pink	Light-Blue
colors for copypasting
Hot Wheels Mario Kart
LEGO Super Mario	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}
Yoshi's Adventure
The Super Mario Bros. Movie

Notes

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

Goombas

Mega Goombas

SMB3
- enemy
- Doubled in size
- Dies in one stomp

Big Goomba

SM64
- Enemy
- somewhat more than double sized
- dies in one ground pound
SMG
- Boss??
- huge
- stun with a spin then kick to kill
NSMBW
- enemy
- about tripled in size
- splits into hefties from stomp
SMG2
- Boss??
- huge
- stun with a spin then kick to kill
NSMBU
- enemy
- about tripled in size
- splits into hefties from stomp
SMBW
- enemy
- about tripled in size
- splits into hefties from stomp
smash bros
- enemy
- about player sized
- takes several hits to kill

Derived Names

Preliminary list of possible derived name discussions to be had.

Note for anyone updating these links: Feel free to delete the entry from the list if it makes the derivation obsolete!

Current discussion open

Probably worth changing as-is?

Confident but to be discussed

uh oh, name overlap?

Hesitant, discuss

Shy Guy Hell

Vampire Shy Guy/Vampire Guy
Skull Shy Guy/Skull Guy
Juggling Shy Guy/Juggling Guy
Bazooka Shy Guy/Bazooka Guy
Acorn Shy Guy/Acorn Guy
Burner Shy Guy/Burner Guy - a German name of Flame Guy is listed on the page.
Submarine Shy Guy/Submarine Guy
Fly Heyho - there already are official Fly Guys and Flying Shy Guys
Rush Heyho - is rush an established prefix?
Zombie Debuho - Zombie Heyho is Zombie Guy, Debuho is Fat Guy, no way to decide which would get priority.
Relay Heihō - name suggests Relay Shy Guy or Relay Guy, but is actually a Boo Guy.

[dlc-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

[a 1]

Nintendo Entertainment System games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Mario Bros. (1986) • Pinball (1985) • Golf (1986) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Mario is Missing! (1993) • Mario's Time Machine (1994)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1986) • Donkey Kong 3 (1986) • Donkey Kong Classics (1988)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1992) • Yoshi's Cookie (1993)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Miscellaneous	Nintendo World Championships 1990 (1990) • Nintendo Campus Challenge (1991)

Family Computer games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Mario Bros. (1983) • Pinball (1984) • Golf (1984) • Family BASIC (1984) • Family BASIC V3 (1985) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Super Mario USA (1992)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1983) • Donkey Kong 3 (1984)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1991) • Yoshi's Cookie (1992)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Family Computer Disk System	Golf (1986) • Super Mario Bros. (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater‡ (1986) • All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros.‡ (1986) • Golf: Japan Course‡ (1987) • Golf: U.S. Course‡ (1987) • Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic‡ (1987) • Famicom Grand Prix: F1 Race‡ (1987) • Donkey Kong^ (1988) • Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally‡ (1988) • Donkey Kong Jr.^ (1988) • Mario Bros. Returns^ (1988) • Wrecking Crew^ (1989) • Pinball^ (1989)
‡ Disk System only ^ Disk Writer only

Super Mario Bros. / Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels / Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fiery Mario • Invincible Mario
Non-playable characters		Princess Toadstool • Mushroom retainers • Mushroom King • Miyuki^b • Takaaki^b • Noritake^b • KYON²^b • Takeshi^b • Matchan^b • Hidechan^b • Worlds A-C human^b • Boo^c • Yoshi^c
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone^d • Hammer Brother • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Little Goomba • OkaP^b • Pakkun OkaP^b • Piranha plant • Podoboo • Spiny • Spiny's egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire-Bar • Koopa's fire • Lava • Pit • Spike Trap^c • Turtle Cannon
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser • Bowser's Brother^a
Items and power-ups		1 up mushroom • Buzzy shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa shell • Hiranya^b • Magic Mushroom • Poisonous Mushroom^a • Red Coin^c • Starman • Yoshi Egg^c
Objects		? block • 3-2-1 Block^c • Ax • Balance Lift • Beanstalk • Brick • Coral • Door^a • Dotted-Line Block^c • Face Block^c • Flagpole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Jumping board • Lift • Mentama Mark^b • Pipe • POW Block^d • Small cloud • Stairblock • Super Mushroom • Super Spring^a • Water • Wind^a
Locations	Worlds in Super Mario Bros.	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
	Worlds in The Lost Levels	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8 • World 9 • World A • World B • World C • World D
	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Extra life • Game Over • Hard Mode • Minus World • Point • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"
Rereleases and remakes		All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. • BS Super Mario Collection • Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. • Super Mario All-Stars (+ Super Mario World · Limited Edition) • Super Mario Bros. Special • VS. Super Mario Bros.
Further info		Gallery (The Lost Levels · Deluxe) • Glitches (The Lost Levels) • How to win at Super Mario Bros. • Media • Pre-release and unused content • References in later media • Staff (Deluxe) • Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros.: Mario Syndrome • Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! • Super Mario World
^a Introduced in Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels ^b Exclusive to All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. ^c Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe ^d Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. 35

Super Mario Bros. 35
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fire Mario • Invincible Mario
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone • Hammer Bro • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Goomba • Piranha plant • Lava Bubble • Spiny • Spiny Egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire Bar • Bowser's Flame • Lava • Pit • Bill Blaster
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser
Items and power-ups		1-Up Mushroom • Buzzy Shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa Shell • Super Mushroom • Super Star
Objects		? Block • Axe • Scale Lift • Vine • Brick Block • Coral • Goal Pole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Trampoline • Lift • Warp Pipe • POW Block • Cloud Block • Hard Block • Mushroom Platform • Water
Locations	Worlds	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
Locations	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"

Super Mario 3D World
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi • Peach • Toad • Rosalina • Captain Toad • Blue Toad^b • Green Toad^b • Yellow Toad^b
Forms		Small Mario • Mario (form) • Cat Mario • Double Mario • Tanooki Mario • Fire Mario • Boomerang Mario • Mega Mario • Invincible Mario • White Tanooki Mario • Lucky Cat Mario • White Cat Mario^b
Non-playable characters		Sprixie Princesses • Sprixies • Rabbits • Mega Rabbit • Toads • Plessie • Lumas • Ghost Miis^a
Enemies		Ant Trooper • Banzai Bill • Biddybud • Big Ant Trooper • Big Boo • Big Galoomba • Blockstepper • Blooper • Blurker • Bob-omb • Boo • Boomerang Bro • Brolder • Bullet Bill • Bully • Cat Banzai Bill • Cat Bullet Bill • Cat Goomba • Chargin' Chuck • Charvaargh • Cheep Cheep • Coin Coffer • Conkdor • Fighter Fly^c • Fire Bro • Fire Piranha Plant • Fireball^c • Fizzlit • Flopter • Freezie^c • Fuzzler • Fuzzy • Galoomba • Goomba • Goomba Tower • Grumblump • Hammer Bro • Hop-Chop • Horned Ant Trooper • Ka-thunk • Innertube Goomba • Lava Bubble • Madpole • Magikoopa • Mega Piranha Plant • Mini Goomba • Octoomba • Para-Biddybud • Parabones • Peepa • Piranha Creeper • Piranha Plant • Porcupuffer • Rammerhead • Ring Burner • Shellcreeper^c • Sidestepper^c • Skating Goomba • Skipsqueak • Small Rammerhead • Snow Pokey • Spike • Spiny • Spiny Skipsqueak • Splorch • Splounder • Stingby • Thwomp • Ty-foo • Unshelled Koopa • Walleye
Obstacles		Baddie Box • Bill Blaster • Cannon • Dark • Fire Bar • Fuzzy Horde • Lava • Poison • Poison fog • Quicksand • Spike ball • Spike Block • Spike Trap • Spiked roller • Volcanic debris
Bosses		Bowser • Boom Boom • Pom Pom • Hisstocrat • Boss Brolder • King Ka-thunk • Prince Bully • Motley Bossblob • Meowser
Items and power-ups		+ Clock • 1-Up Mushroom • Baseball • Blue Coin • Bomb • Boomerang Flower • Cannon Box • Coin • Coin Box • Coin pile • Crown • Double Cherry • Fire Flower • Gold Shell • Goomba Mask • Green Shell • Green Star Coin • Green Star • Hidden Coin • Ice Skate • Invincibility Bell^b • Invincibility Leaf • Key Coin • Light Box • Lucky Bell • Mega Mushroom • Potted Piranha Plant • Propeller Box • Red Coin • Snowball • Springboard • Stamp • Super Bell • Super Leaf • Super Mushroom • Super Star
Objects		? Block • Arrow platform • Arrow Sign • Assist Block • Beep Block • Big Block • Binoculars • Bowser Board • Bowser Statue • Brick Block • Bubble • Cactus • Cat Wheel • Chain-Link • Character Switch • Checkpoint Flag • Clear Pipe • Clear Pipe Cannon • Cloud Cannon • Cloud Lift • Cog • Color Panel • Conveyor Belt • Crab • Crate • Crystal Block • Dash Panel • Donut Block • Empty Block • Floating couch • Floor^c • Flower • Fluff • Gift Box • Goal Pole • Goal Pole (flying) • Gold Ring • Gong • Green Star Ring • Hexagon • Hidden Block • Illusion • Jump Panel • Kick Bomb • Lift • Long ? Block • Multi-Vator • Mushroom Trampoline • Mystery Box • P Panel • P Switch • Pipe • Pixel Luigi • Propeller Platform^a • Red POW Block • Red Ring • Red-Blue Panel • Rising pillar • Rock Block • Rocket • Rotating Panel • Roulette Block • Searchlight • Seesaw • Sliding door • Slot Block • Small bird • Swing • Switch Block • Switch Panel • Switchboard • Super POW Block • Tank • Torch • Touchstone • Trample Switch • Trapeze • Tree • Turning Floor • Warp Box • Warp Box (With Key) • Warp Door • World Warp Pipe • Zipline lift
Locations	Normal worlds	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World Castle • World Bowser
	Special worlds	World Star • World Mushroom • World Flower • World Crown
	Other	Sprixie Kingdom • Mushroom Kingdom • Sprixie Houses • Toad Houses • Mystery Houses • Lucky Houses
Moves		Crawl • Crouch • Crouch Jump • Dash • Dive^b • Floating Jump • Ground Pound • Ground Pound Jump^b • Jump • Long Jump • Roll • Scuttle • Shell dash • Side Somersault • Slide • Spin • Spin Jump • Swim • Synchro Ground-Pound • Wall Jump
Gameplay elements		amiibo^b • Captain Toad's Adventures • Completion • Enemy Battles • Luigi Bros. • List of Pixel Luigi sightings • List of stamps • Miiverse^a • Points • Snapshot Mode^b • Toad Brigade^b
Musical compositions		"Super Bell Hill" • "Mario's Colour Panel" • "Super Block Land"
Further info		Gallery (SM3DW+BF) • Glitches (SM3DW+BF) • Media (SM3DW+BF) • Original soundtrack • Playable characters' statistics (SM3DW+BF) • Pre-release and unused content • Staff (SM3DW+BF)
^a Exclusive to the Wii U version ^b Exclusive to the Nintendo Switch version ^c Exclusive to Luigi Bros.
Related Play Nintendo activities Can’t-miss games • What does THAT thing do? • Cute-throat enemies • Power-up trivia quiz! • Power-up personality quiz! • Colorful cat-tastrophe!

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