MarioWiki:Proposals

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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removals of previously added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Any user can support or oppose but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived here, while talk page proposals are archived here.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guideline Proposals must include a link to the draft page.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in or vote on proposals. Users may vote for more than one option on proposals with more than two choices.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined.


===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====


Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/Talk Page Archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from the list and included in the table under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

# Proposal User Date
1 Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series Aokage (talk) January 3, 2015
2 Create a template for the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door badge drop rates Lord Bowser (talk) August 17, 2016
3 Clean up species categories to only include non-hostile species Niiue (talk) August 8, 2017
4 Clean up Category:Artifacts Niiue (talk) August 22, 2017
5 Trim down Category:Fire Creatures and Category:Ice Creatures Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) September 7, 2017
6 Expand the Behemoth King article Owencrazyboy9 (talk) December 23, 2017
7 Create articles on the Remix 10 secret courses in Super Mario Run Time Turner (talk) December 26, 2017
8 Add anchor links to Power Moon lists (view progress) Super Radio (talk) December 31, 2017
9 Create articles for the Wario: Master of Disguise episodes DKPetey99 (talk) January 23, 2018
10 Create articles for the Mario Party 4 hosts Tails777 (talk) February 11, 2018
11 Merge the specified Super Smash Bros. subjects Time Turner (talk) April 9, 2018

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Move Category:Outer Space Locations to Category:Cosmic Locations, restrict the term "outer space" and other related terms, and add "outer space" to the list of frequently misused terms

Not too long ago, a proposal was implemented to change the name of Category:Outer Space Locations to Category:Cosmic Locations. Such proposal was opposed to on the grounds that the term "is synonymous" and "it's a nice umbrella term".

But I argue...not really. The proposer's request was perfectly rational, the rationales provided for the opposition were bad or otherwise not sufficient enough (no offense), and the proposal was overlooked. Here's why:

  • It may not be entirely inaccurate, but it's not entirely accurate either. As Super Radio (talk) (the original proposer) pointed out, the term "outer space" is specifically used to refer to the open, near-empty space outside the gravitational sphere of any celestial body. As far as I can tell, Outer Space from Super Paper Mario, the locations in Super Mario Galaxy (including the Comet Observatory itself), the worlds of Super Mario Galaxy 2, the last four worlds of Super Mario 3D World, and two incarnations of Rainbow Road are the only unambiguous examples. That's literally all. The majority of locations that are purported to be in outer space are heavily implied to be otherwise. Cosmic Adventure, for example, is "said" to be in outer space despite specifically being defined as just a Mini-Land attraction; the "outer space" backdrop is just a backdrop, more or less. Some locations are also only temporarily in outer space, too. Peach's Castle, for example, is pulled into outer space by Bowser and his minions in both Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy. In the case of the former, Bowser's Castle is also temporarily in outer space! As Glowsquid (talk) once said, "Furthermore, why would you use an inaccurate and potentially misleading term when dozens of accurate, non-misleading alternatives exist?"
    Also see Super Radio's comment below. I think he explains it better than I can.
  • It's vague and scientifically incorrect. It boggles the information, without any real benefit to show for it. For example, "Superstar Road is accessed via a portal as this world is in deep space." Ignoring the thumbnail, what does "deep space" mean in this context anyway? Is it really in outer space? Or is it underground? Or does it merely have a cosmic backdrop? Example aside, what about the Mushroom World itself? Isn't it technically in outer space as well?! Restricting the term "outer space" (and "deep space" for that matter) in favor of the more specific term "cosmic" helps improve the sheer ambiguity and quality of the information.
  • As has been argued before and what will be argued again, the grandfather clause is never a good excuse, anywhere, ever. As you can see, "outer space" is just as questionable as other terms that used to be prevalent on the wiki, such as "beta" or "subspecies" (until they were restricted for their own inaccuracies). It feels like yet another wishy-washy stance of "we know it's bad, but we use it anyways because...stuff and things...I think", which should never ever be considered in professional writing circles.

Basically, I'm proposing that we overturn the decision of the aforementioned proposal, restrict the term "outer space" in favor of "cosmic", and also add "outer space" to the list of frequently misused terms. "Cosmic" refers to something that merely appears to be in outer space but isn't always in outer space, and thus is more well-defined, clear-cut, and appropriate enough for any case. Yes, "cosmic" is clearly not THE perfect alternative, but I have yet to find an even more suitable term that addresses the issues above.

Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: June 28, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Super Radio (talk) Per proposal. See my comment.
  3. Keegster2 (talk) Both of you raise very valid points. Per Toadette and Super Radio.
  4. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

If you're wondering, "outer space" won't be restricted in places where it is legitimately referred to, as per the examples I mentioned above (and same as the other misused terms).

Also, I'm going to respectfully go through the flaws of each counterargument in the previous proposal:

  • @Tucayo, TheFlameChomp, and Alex95: From what I can make out of the Wiktionary entries, the two terms are related, but they're certainly not synonymous.
  • @MrConcreteDonkey: I'm trying to understand your vote...so are you saying that every location purported to be outer space is in outer space? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but to me, that sounds a bit...misleading, no?
  • @Doc von Schmeltwick: That's actually because it technically is a snowscape, as the platforms are covered in snow. (To be honest, your vote wasn't half bad, it's just the example doesn't work for the reasons provided here.)
    @All five: Please try to keep these counterarguments in mind when voting here.
Lastly, if there's any term you think is more suitable than "cosmic", please feel free to let me know. Thanks! MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 09:13, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

I would like to expand on this proposal with the analogy I made on Toadette the Achiever's talk page, hoping to further convince people that "Outer Space" is a gross term to use when referring to everything that is outside the planet of reference. (It's slightly edited.)

We say that sattelites, planets, and other celestial bodies are in Outer Space because that is their greater location. Sort of like saying that Easter Island is in the middle of the Pacific. However, when talking about an object located ON said places we don't say that it's in Outer Space; it is on its carrier, which, yes, happens to be floating in space. Similarly, we don't say that those Moai head statues are found in the middle of the Pacific, but on an island in the middle of the Pacific. The same logic applies to X-Naut Fortress, Lunar Colony, Moon Kingdom and others. They are not exactly dipping into deep space, but the body they are on is. "Outer Space locations" is a very rough denominator to use for such places and it could technically be used for virtually any place in the Mushroom Kingdom. Since the scope of the Outer Space Locations category is currently everything outside of Mario's planet, and judging by some definitions of "cosmic", this would be a better term to encapsulate galaxies, planets and everything on them.

-- Super SuperRadio.png Radio 09:58, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

@Toadette the Achiever Is that snow? Or is that the similar-looking-yet-harder icy crust that always coats the bottom of a deep freeze? I mean, Snowman Wario is there, but that's triggered by stuff falling on him from above, where the ice consistency would probably be different anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

You wouldn't name the interior of a fridge a "snowscape" under normal circumstances, but in the background of 40 Below Fridge it actually appears to be snowing. I'm no expert in thermodynamics, but this strange phenomenon (for a fridge, at least) indicates that the icy coat might actually be, in fact, snow. -- Super SuperRadio.png Radio 15:34, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
And Slipslide Ride? That's a cave, so it's more than likely just ice. I'm neither opposing nor supporting at this moment, just throwing some things out there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
The platforms in Slipslide Ride appear to be littered with snow as well...at least that's what I think it is. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 15:53, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Slipslide Ride is clearly not a snowscape though--you can't have snow without precipitations, which wouldn't naturally occur in an enclosed area, but 40 Below Fridge is an exception for some reason. Actually, I don't think it's wrong if we consider 40 Below Fridge an artificial snowscape :) -- Super SuperRadio.png Radio 15:59, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Then again, there is ice in BLIZZARD!!! and Sand Kingdom's underground areas. And in Super Mario Maker and it's remake, ice can be placed in a cave, a house, underwater, and a castle with lava. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Also, I mentioned that this could be renamed to Space Locations. Is Cosmic better than Space? Because if it is, (and I will say this again) that category needs something done too. Although, the names snowscapes, subterrean areas, haunted places, forests and jungles, hotels and inns, and cities and towns are names give for broad terms of what they cover. And if this follows after that, Outer Space or Cosmic (for proposal purposes) can exist with the Space category. But, is Cosmic better than Space? Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

"Space" and "outer space" mean the same thing in this context. Sorry to disappoint you. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 17:13, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.