Talk:Super Smash Bros. - Gameplay & Quest for the amiibo!

Define Quest for the amiibo! as a guest appearance

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Current time: February 15, 2026, 20:06 (UTC)

I'm not fond of deleting pages people put thought into, but alas, for the integrity of MarioWiki:Coverage...

Okay, so Quest for the amiibo! is the memiest meme to ever meme, and everyone loves it for that, but I very much question how much coverage we have to give it on Super Mario Wiki. It's a Super Smash Bros. for Wii U advertisement, and as a rule the idea of granting articles to Smash Bros. specific subjects is pretty down. We granted the Super Smash Bros. series a special place in coverage policy just to allow us to shave pages about it by the bushel. We don't even have a page for Smash Ball anymore, despite it causing Final Smashes that are unique to each character. That's how far we've gone. If that was too far is neither here nor there, but I think articles for the characters of Quest for the amiibo! are within that deletion field.

Mario and Peach are important to the plot of this... lets call it a production. They're the partners to and representative of Jack and Gina. Jack projects his relationship with Gina onto Mario and Peach's, and Jack and Gina's relationship is the driving narrative of Quest for the amiibo! Donkey Kong is... in this video. (I'm being facetious; he is paired with Terry.) We have to have a page for Quest for the amiibo!, even if its Smash Bros. content. That comes with a important caveat. Mario and Peach only appear as amiibo and as in game characters those amiibo load. That means that the Super Mario content is already on this wiki through the "amiibo" page and the "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U" page. There's never a bespoke section where Mario or Peach come to life and act outside of game code. There's no fantasy sequence where Jack gets to talk to Super Mario. Meaning, in practice, Mario and Peach aren't true characters in this production, but rather something different. (I'm waffling on if Pokémon equivalent or pet is more proper on this, but that's beside the point.) Mario never interacts with Jack aside from being an amiibo. Rather, Jack projects onto the Mario amiibo, which again makes more sense to talk about on the page about amiibo. We don't need a page for Jack, everything he does with regards to Super Mario is neatly encapsulated on this page.

Jack does a lot of Super Mario things in this production as part of the training montage for his Mario amiibo, but as our endless list of references show, non-Super Mario characters doing Super Mario things does not move the needle on if something is or isn't a work of Super Mario fiction past that of a guest appearance. Going higher than that almost universally requires an actual appearance of a Super Mario character, which as established Quest for the amiibo! does not have.

Further, giving Quest for the amiibo! full coverage suggests that any media where amiibo of Super Mario franchise characters appear is at minimum a crossover on par with Super Smash Bros. Media like Hey! Pikmin, where the amiibo from the Super Mario line are outright collectable , would have to be bumped from cameo tier to super secret Super Smash Bros. tier. We would have to make an article about Hey! Pikmin. We should not allow precedent to justify a decision like that. (The Hey! Pikmin interaction is largely exclusive to it, most games don't show the amiibo that a player scans within the game. Nintendo Badge Arcade doesn't count because that game has badges depicting amiibo and not actual amiibo. However, we really should close holes in our coverage policy when they appear for the first time and not wait around for it to happen again.)

I think we need to do something about this, both because this production is less Super Mario-related than Super Smash Bros. itself and because we really don't want a Hey! Pikmin page. I think the correct answer is to declare Quest for the amiibo! a guest appearance in coverage policy. This way, it's correctly below Super Smash Bros. in terms of coverage scope. This does have a knock on effect: as guest appearances only get one article for the media itself, the characters Jack, David, Gina, and Terry no longer qualify for pages. Jack's page would be deleted in the process.

I know I know, our friends at SmashWiki wouldn't want Jack's page, and neither would NintendoWiki. We're the only NIWA wiki that would entertain a page about Jack. This proposal passing vanishes Jack's page. However, it is more important to uphold MarioWiki:Coverage to prevent scope creep than to keep a page for one character.

Proposer: Salmancer (talk)
Deadline: March 1, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support: Quest for the amiibo! is a guest appearance; delete the Jack article

1. Salmancer (talk) I didn't make the track team because Jack has a Super Mario Wiki article... wait I hate track.
2. EvieMaybe (talk) even if this WAS a mario ad, i still think it's not substantial enough to require separate pages for every named character. i feel like this about a lot of our ad coverage, actually. either way, per proposal.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) In general, we find these "one-off advertisement character" pages a bit weird. The Play Nintendo ones (cough cough Izzy) are justifiable as that was technically more of a web portal first and marketing second, and Unbeaten spokesman, while whether or not he'd get a page has been contentious in his own right, at least he has the excuse of being in two advertisements and not one, but like... Why are "Crazy grandpa" and "Wario's president" some of the most wanted pages? This would only make sense in a world where we document these one-time characters far more rigorously, but, we've seen the conversation on the Discord, we've been watching the to-do bar like a hawk for over a year and seen these guys languish in there, we know the interest just... Isn't really there, for dedicating entire pages to these guys. (Our only request is that Jack's page should be preserved onto BJAODN, as we are, tragically, not immune to the funny meme energy. Hot buttered popcorn, that'd be a deal.)
4. Jdtendo (talk) Per proposal and EvieMaybe.
5. Axii (talk) Per proposal. Even though I support increasing the wiki's coverage of web videos (and even if it were a Mario ad), I don't think one-off characters that only appear in one ad and/or are not derived from the Mario franchise should get separate pages on this wiki.
6. Power Flotzo (talk) Per the others.

Status Quo

1. Rykitu - Gameplay & Quest for Būbū Mario (talk) Oh look! It's my pages! When I wrote this article, I believed it would qualify per Nathaniel's Fun Factory and its character pages, which is a book written about Nintendo in general but has enough focus on the Super Mario franchise, which is a similar case to this video, even if Mario representation is in the form of amiibo figures rather than actual appearances. I feel like the Hey! Pikmin comparison is a bit teeny tiny extreme as that game lasts 7-8 hours while this video is 11 minutes long. And Mario amiibos don't make a prominent enough role in that game to even be considered enough for this wiki to give full coverage. Also, if Jack won't be accepted into SmashWiki or Nintendo Wiki, it would have to be here unless we negotiate with either wikis to have the article moved. The goal of NIWA is to have a network of wikis to cover absolutely everything officially licensed by Nintendo, and Jack (and all the other characters who I didn't write articles on) being omitted from all of NIWA would be against that goal.

Comments (Quest for the amiibo! is a guest appearance)

Yes, Hey! Pikmin is a stretch, but they do incorporate amiibo into the game's narrative. Olimar can extract Sparklium, the game's Macguffin, from any kind of treasure. amiibo are a kind of treasure. Olimar can be argued to be using amiibo within the story of Hey! Pikmin, in a way unparalleled by every other game in Nintendo's catalog. I argue that this usage within the narrative counts for something of similar scope in terms of wikiability to the characters of Quest for the amiibo! using amiibo as part of the narrative. I acknowledge that generating arbitrary Macguffins is lesser in terms of narrative importance than "the amiibo represent the characters" of Quest for the amiibo, but the figures of Super Mario characters are still doing something in Hey Pikmin. Salmancer (talk) 04:37, February 15, 2026 (UTC)

@Camwoodstock Crazy grandfather and Wario's president are the most wanted articles because a user (no offense to them at all) saw a bunch of Mario commercials and thought it would be a good idea to make red links for conjecturally titled characters that appear for 30 seconds at most. Crazy grandfather in particular is wiki's most wanted because it was placed in the Humans template and the Super Mario RPG template: two of the largest navigation templates, and placed on all the articles linked to it. I don't think characters like these should get articles unlike the named characters. Rykitu

We definitely second the notion of "conjecturally named, single-use advertisement characters probably don't warrant pages." Looking at the advertisement we think the Crazy grandfather is for, we earnestly don't think there's really anything you could even... Say about him, beyond "He narrates the advertisement and has does a lot of deliberately over-acted movement". At least Jack has a stated name, even if he's similarly single-use (where we, personally, draw the line.) ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 06:12, February 15, 2026 (UTC)

While I'm not familiar with Nathaniel's Fun Factory, I'm going to contest the point. Nathaniel's Fun Factory features versions of Super Mario characters manifested into dreams by the Fun Factory. These are higher on the "wiki cares about it" totem pole than the inert figures of Super Mario characters in Quest for the Amiibo!, in part because the dream version of Donkey Kong can do Donkey Kong things like carry people, whereas the plastic version of Donkey Kong cannot. The figure containing data for Donkey Kong within a video game muddies this, especially when Quest for the Amiibo! wants to emphasize and exaggerate the capacity for amiibo to learn, but I think "footage of people playing Super Smash Bros. for Wii U alongside a CPU playing Donkey Kong" isn't something we should wiki up as an appearance of Donkey Kong. Salmancer (talk) 05:32, February 15, 2026 (UTC)

Camwoodstock, I don't think Jack is BJAODN-worthy for three reasons. One is that Jack is fairly straight laced. For maximum meme value, you'd want Gina or Terry. (Jack's article doesn't even include the events of the training montage.) The second is that Jack has very little name brand recognition. People looking for Quest for the amiibo memes are going to seek out "Quest for the amiibo", not "Jack". The third is that, like many a main character article for a short piece of media, Jack's article is mostly a truncated version of the Quest for the amiibo article. Quest for the amiibo's own article contains more of the zany "shaped like a story?" energy of Quest for the amiibo than Jack's article, I'd rather read that than read Jack if I wanted a laugh. Compare Socially Awkward Piranha Plant, where the writing of the article isn't all that funny, so it didn't go in BJAODN. What is there is the idea of a Socially Awkward Piranha Plant page, which is more entertaining than the actual page. Sadly, Jack's name is nowhere near as good as SAPP's name, so a Jack BJAODN entry can't be made in that style either. Salmancer (talk) 06:20, February 15, 2026 (UTC)