The 'Shroom:Issue 195/Pipe Plaza
Director's Notes
HAPPY PRIDE MONTH :D
Not entirely sure what happened last month but I think I ended up in a time wormhole thing by mistake... Either way I'm back now and ready to present you all with yet another spectacular round of Pipe Plaza!
So far my summer break has been pretty meh. Spent a bit recovering mentally from moving all my stuff back home, been working a bit, and am trying to work on my fun little personal projects as well. Also I'm probably the only one that cares about this news but Kpop group LOONA is free at last!!! BlockBerry Creative can eat dirt.
Anyways, there's a lot of good stuff in store here in Pipe Plaza this month! Remember, you too can be part of Pipe Plaza by checking out sign up page to learn more!
Enjoy the rest of the month ^^
Section of the Month
| PIPE PLAZA SECTION OF THE MONTH | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Place | Section | Votes | % | Writer |
| 1st | Community Report | 6 | 33.33% | Waluigi Time (talk) |
| 2nd | Poll Committee Discussion | 5 | 27.78% | Turboo (talk) |
| 3rd | NIWA News | 4 | 22.22% | PanchamBro (talk) |
Community Report
Written by: Waluigi Time (talk)
Hello there, 'Shroom readers! You know what they say, another month, another Community Report. I don't think anyone actually says that, but I'm trying to get a thing started. It's all about branding!
Before we get into the past month, I'd like to remind you (if you somehow didn't already know) that, assuming you're reading this within release week, the Awards polls are still open! Be sure to go vote for your favorite and least favorite Mario things, and check out the Community Awards too, and consider signing up for presentations! Awards!!!
All information is accurate as of June 10, 2023. Proposals and featured articles marked with an asterisk are updates on ones first covered in last month's issue.
| RECENT PROPOSALS | |||
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| PROPOSAL | SUMMARY | OUTCOME | DEADLINE |
| Move Banzai Bill and other related species to Bomber Bill | A proposal to rename Banzai Bill and some of its variants, based on the use of the name "Bomber Bill" on the English Mario Portal website and in The Super Mario Bros. Movie. The proposal gained opposition because the name had not yet been changed in a game, while Banzai Bill was still used fairly recently in-game, and because of some other naming oddities by the sources involved. The proposer decided to cancel the proposal after this. | CANCELED BY PROPOSER (read more) |
May 18, 2023 |
| Create articles for Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix songs* | A proposal to create pages for the songs from Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix and determine how to organize the coverage. The proposer argued that they are the game's equivalent of levels and deserve articles. The option to create pages separate from information on other games and using their names from Mario Mix received the majority of support. The articles have not yet been created. | CREATE AND ONLY COVER MARIO MIX 5-0-0-2-0 (read more) |
May 18, 2023 |
| Split major classic remakes* | A proposal to split remakes of older games. The proposal includes options to split all remakes and to split them on a case-by-case basis. The proposal failed due to being too vague, as the proposer did not explain what remakes would be split by the proposal. | FAILED 1-1-6 (read more) |
May 19, 2023 |
| Make changes to MarioWiki's editbox wallpaper* | A proposal to update the graphics used in the editing field to replace the GameCube era renders. The majority of voters supported updating the graphics without creating additional themes that could be changed with Special:Preferences. The change has not yet been made, and it is likely that a discussion will have to take place to decide what graphics to use. | PASSED 2-9-0 (read more) |
May 21, 2023 |
| Prioritize the 2001 iteration of Diddy Kong Pilot | A proposal to prioritize the 2001 version of Diddy Kong Pilot over the 2003 version and remove its identifier. The opposition wasn't convinced by the proposer's arguments and pointed out that both of them were canceled games with the same title, with neither seeming more notable than the other. The proposer decided to cancel as a result. | CANCELED BY PROPOSER (read more) |
May 25, 2023 |
| Establish a guideline for citing archived web pages | A proposal to establish a consistent standard for linking to archived websites in page citations. That's pretty much all there is to it! The proposal passed with no opposition. | PASSED 12-0 (read more) |
June 1, 2023 |
| Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles | A proposal to shorten the article titles of some crossover characters, mainly affecting those from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. The proposer argued that in the crossover games, they are almost always referred to with these shortened names, and pointed out other similar proposals that had passed. There was some opposition, mainly noting some title overlap, but the proposal passed nonetheless. | PASSED 8-3 (read more) |
June 4, 2023 |
| Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc. | A proposal to create a standard for listing what levels subjects appear in when there are seven or more of them. The options were using bullet point lists, hover text, prose, or opting not to set a standard at all. The option to use bullet point lists passed unanimously. | PASSED 8-3 (read more) |
June 8, 2023 |
| Split the remaining Mario Party and Mario Party 2 mini-game variants from each other | A proposal to split variations in mini-games between Mario Party and Mario Party 2, following a similar proposal which split the 4-player and 2-vs-2 versions of Balloon Burst. Options were included to split all returning mini-games, splitting only mini-games with changes to their rules, and splitting only mini-games with different names in other regions. The proposal was controversial, with the opposition barely winning, arguing that the changes in these mini-games are minimal compared to Balloon Burst. | FAILED 1-3-2-4 (read more) |
June 9, 2023 |
| RECENT TALK PAGE PROPOSALS | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| PROPOSAL | SUMMARY | OUTCOME | DEADLINE |
| Move Template:Wikia to Template:Fandom* | A proposal to rename the Wikia template to Fandom, to be consistent with the site's rebrand in 2021. Some users opposed on the basis that Wikia is still the more well-known name, but the proposal passed regardless. The change has been made and all instances of the old name have been replaced. | PASSED 4-2 (read more) |
May 19, 2023 |
| Delete Rhythm Heaven Megamix and move content to List of Mario references in Nintendo video games* | A proposal to reclassify Rhythm Heaven Megamix as a cameo appearance and delete its page. The proposer argued that the only relevant content are levels reskinned to be WarioWare themed. The opposition argued that the WarioWare content is substantial enough to be a guest appearance and pointed out other games that have received guest appearance status. The proposal ultimately did not pass. | FAILED 2-11 (read more) |
May 21, 2023 |
| Merge Category:Musical themes to Category:Songs | A proposal to merge the musical themes category, which contains instrumental themes from the series, to the songs category, which contains songs with lyrics. The proposal argued that the line between the two can be blurry at times, and that they didn't see the point in the distinction. Reception was mixed, and the proposer decided to cancel it with plans for a revised proposal sometime in the future. | CANCELED BY PROPOSER (read more) |
May 23, 2023 |
| Delete Wario's Warehouse and remove anything related to it from the wiki | A proposal to remove all coverage of Nintendo of Europe's Wario's Warehouse articles. The proposer pointed out that no sources had been provided for the content, and Google searches only provided content derived from the wiki itself. The proposal was controversial, and an option to archive the content in BJAODN was also added. The proposal was canceled after Tmjjmt (talk) was able to find the website of one of the authors, Mark Green, which referenced Wario's Warehouse. Green further confirmed the existence of Wario's Warehouse and the validity of the content through email. | CANCELED BY THE ADMINISTRATORS (read more) |
May 27, 2023 |
| Decide what to do with Black Chest Demon* | A proposal to solve the problem of Black Chest Demon's conjectural name. The options to rename the article to four heroes and to merge the page with black chest entirely both received a lot of support, with the option to merge gaining the majority. The change has been made and the results can be seen at black chest. | MERGE 6-2-1-0 (read more) |
May 27, 2023 |
| Move the Mario (franchise) article to Super Mario (franchise)* | A proposal to change all instances of Mario franchise across the wiki to Super Mario franchise. The proposer provided several sources showing Super Mario to be the brand name used by Nintendo. The proposal received some minor opposition, but passed and the change has been made across the wiki. | PASSED 13-0-2 (read more) |
May 28, 2023 |
| Delete Category:Spin-off series* | A proposal to delete the category for spin-off series. The proposer argued that most of the series on the wiki would be considered spin-offs, and pointed out the inconsistent usage of the category, which only contained four articles at the time of the proposal. One user opposed, suggesting fixing it up instead, but the supporters won out and the category has been deleted. | PASSED 8-1 (read more) |
May 28, 2023 |
| ONGOING PROPOSALS | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| PROPOSAL | SUMMARY | LINK | DEADLINE |
| Clarify how to italicize merchandise titles in articles | A proposal to determine when the official titles of merchandise should be italicized, as the Manual of Style currently does not cover it. Options include italicizing all official titles; only tabletop games, unique brand names, and names of Mario games when used; only tabletop games and names of Mario games when used; and only tabletop games. Currently, the second option has the most votes. | Read more | June 16, 2023 |
| ONGOING TALK PAGE PROPOSALS | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| PROPOSAL | SUMMARY | LINK | DEADLINE |
| Delete Blip and Vic Video | A proposal to delete the Blip and Vic Video articles and move the information to the list of references in publications, due to the lack of any evidence that Nintendo was involved in the magazine's publication. The supporters currently have the majority of votes. | Read more | June 10, 2023 |
| Reorganize the tournaments on List of official Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournaments | A proposal to reorganize the tournament list for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe due to its current length. The options are to split the major tournament series into their own pages with miscellaneous tournaments remaining on the page, and splitting everything, with the page itself then being merged to a section on the game's page. The votes are currently split, and there aren't enough for a decision to be made. | Read more | June 11, 2023 |
| Merge Strawberry Don-chan and Hero Don-chan to Don-chan | A proposal to merge Don-chan's variants in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX. The proposer argues that the only difference between the alts is which items they can obtain, and they are otherwise the same character. The proposal is currently unopposed. | Read more | June 12, 2023 |
| Merge pre-Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island appearances of singular generic Magikoopa characters to Kamek | A proposal to include early appearances of Magikoopa characters in Super Mario-kun, Yoshi's Safari, and possibly Super Mario Adventures on Kamek's page. The proposer argues that Kamek is merely the concept of a generic Magikoopa character and was not invented by the developers of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, and that these pre-Kamek appearances of notable Magikoopa characters should be covered on the page. Many voters have opposed this argument and currently have the majority. | Read more | June 12, 2023 |
| Transform mist into a general article about Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door's stage hazards | A proposal to rework the article for mist into one covering all of the battle stage hazards from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. Mist is the only one of these hazards with an article, while the others are covered on the audience page. The supporters currently have the majority of votes. | Read more | June 15, 2023 |
| RECENTLY FEATURED ARTICLES | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| ARTICLE | SUMMARY | OUTCOME | DATE |
| Super Mario Galaxy | Nintendo101 (talk) nominated Super Mario Galaxy to be refeatured after several years of extensive work on the article. The nomination was successful, receiving high praise for its detail and presentation in the process. It has been 9 years since the article was last featured, with two unsuccessful attempts at refeaturing it since. | PASSED 7-0 (read more) |
June 2, 2023 |
| ONGOING UNFEATURE NOMINATIONS | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| ARTICLE | SUMMARY | LINK | DEADLINE |
| WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!* | PnnyCrygr (talk) nominated the article to be unfeatured, citing concerns about the quality of the writing and presentation (or lack thereof). Since being nominated, Camwoodstock (talk) has worked on the article to address the problems mentioned so far. | Read more | June 30, 2023 |
| Mona | PnnyCrygr (talk) nominated Mona to be unfeatured, citing various problems with the writing and comparing it unfavorably to other featured articles for WarioWare characters. So far, there has been little engagement with the nomination. | Read more | July 21, 2023 |
Not quite as busy as last month (not that I'm complaining, less work for me!) but still quite a bit going on! By the time you're reading this, the ongoing proposals will probably be over, but maybe consider checking out some of those unfeature nominations. And of course, don't forget to go vote for the Awards! See you next month for more wiki happenings!
Poll Committee Discussion
Written by: Cosmic Cowboy (talk)
Cosmic, make sure to write a funny intro for your first Poll Committee Discussion. -Cosmic
Archives
What is your opinion on indie games that draw heavy inspiration from dormant Mario subseries gameplay (Wario Land/Pizza Tower, Paper Mario/Bug Fables, etc.)? - (Turboo (talk), May 8th, 2023)
| What is your opinion on indie games that draw heavy inspiration from dormant Mario subseries gameplay (Wario Land/Pizza Tower, Paper Mario/Bug Fables, etc.)?
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| I greatly enjoy these games, and I would like to see more made to fill the void left by official games. 53.32% (1,317 votes) |
| I enjoy these games, although I would prefer more official games with Mario characters. 20.97% (518 votes) |
| I have not heard of these games/I have no opinion on these games. 18.42% (455 votes) |
| I do not like these games in general. 3.28% (81 votes) |
| I like the concept of taking heavy inspiration from Mario gameplay, but I do not like the games that have been released. 2.15% (53 votes) |
| I do not like these games because of the original characters, but I would like them with Mario characters. 1.86% (46 votes) |
| Total votes: 2,470 |
Besides sequels, every 3D Mario title has been a major gameplay departure from the last, introducing new mechanics. How do you feel about this approach? - (Vruet (talk), May 22nd, 2023)
| Besides sequels, every 3D Mario title has been a major gameplay departure from the last, introducing new mechanics. How do you feel about this approach?
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| I prefer when new 3D Mario games have similar gameplay to previous entries, but with a different core mechanic (Cappy, FLUDD, etc.) 34.00% (785 votes) |
| I prefer a mix of both; with new 3D Mario games releasing with new gameplay, but sequels still being made to fill the gap and provide a familiar experience. 32.96% (761 votes) |
| I prefer when new 3D Mario games are completely different from the previous entry. 22.39% (517 votes) |
| I have no opinion. 6.50% (150 votes) |
| I'd prefer more direct sequels with no changes to core gameplay, just more content such as levels and powerups. 3.20% (74 votes) |
| Regardless of changes from game to game, I do not enjoy 3D Mario at all. 0.95% (22 votes) |
| Total votes: 2,309 |
Analysis
What is your opinion on indie games that draw heavy inspiration from dormant Mario subseries gameplay (Wario Land/Pizza Tower, Paper Mario/Bug Fables, etc.)?
The fans are doing what Nintendoesn't, it seems. If you ask my opinion, Nintendo are losing their magic touch. They've stopped taking big risks and are mostly sticking with what they know will work, instead of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks. So, naturally, indie devs have been picking up the slack and have taken up the challenge of making spiritual successors to Nintendo's 'experimental phase' titles. And so far, it seems to be working, as 53% of voters feel like these games are a home run. However, 21% of voters feel like they're missing just one thing: the characters that these games were inspired by, which I can totally get. As much as I like Peppino and Kabbu, I do miss Wario and Mario. Interestingly, around 18% of voters haven't heard about these games. I mean, if you haven't heard of Pizza Tower, where've you been, under a rock? Jokes aside, I can understand how people haven't heard of most of these games. Indie games generally don't go mainstream, and games like Shovel Knight or Celeste are the exceptions to the rule. 3% of the voters don't like these games at all, which... I mean, it's their own opinion and we wouldn't run these polls if we didn't value your opinion, dear reader. However, I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Pizza Tower, I'm sorry. Similarly, 2% of voters say that while they like the basic concept of taking inspiration from Mario games, they aren't happy with what's been released, and 1% of people would play them if they had the Mario characters back. I don't really have a comment on these last two, so might you like some suggestions for more Mario-like Indie titles? If you're looking for more Wario-like action, go and check out Antonball Deluxe and Antonblast! Sadly, Antonblast is still in the demo phase, but it's a damn awesome demo! And if you played the handheld Mario Golf games for the story (for some ungodly reason), then might I suggest Golf Story? I'm not exactly a game journalist and I can't really describe these games (or really anything in general), so why don't you check out some actual reviews of them? They'll speak better than I ever can.
Besides sequels, every 3D Mario title has been a major gameplay departure from the last, introducing new mechanics. How do you feel about this approach?
Ahh, yes, the gameplay variety debate. 34% of voters like gimmicks. I mean, who can blame them? Everyone loves a good gimmick, that's why the Wii sold so great! However, regardless of gimmicks, they still like the heart of it all being the same, with the good ol' plumber boy going "wahoo" all over the place. 32% of voters ALSO like gimmicks, but they don't mind gimmicks being reused, such as the case with Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Bowser's Fury (whatever the hell Bowser's Fury is even qualified as. A sequel? A spin-off? A minigame?!). 22% of voters like it best when the formula is completely shaken up and given new life, like what Galaxy was to Sunshine. Both are phenomenal games but they each have their own take on 3D Mario, a free-roam collectathon versus a more linear get-to-the-end experience, sort of like a 2D game (which 3D Land and 3D World would later go on to do in greater detail). 6.50% of the voters had no idea where they stood on the subject. I can't write a witty joke about that. 3% of voters say they just want more sequels, which is perfectly fine. After all, why fix what isn't broken? Super Mario Odyssey 2 is a no-brainer, and it's really confusing why Nintendo hasn't even announced plans to work on even a vague follow-up to Odyssey. Then again, Nintendo has a bit of a reputation for being…(cough)anti-consumer(cough), so I wouldn't exactly get my hopes up. And finally, 0.95% of voters say they don't like 3D Mario. Like, at all. Maybe they're the same purists who think Sonic was better with black eyes. Dunno.
Conclusion
Please help. I'm writing this at like 1 AM on the day this issue comes out...
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed reading! As always, please remember to vote in the polls, we couldn't do this without you! No, seriously, we literally couldn't. Also, one more Indie game suggestion: please go play Freedom Planet I love Freedom Planet.
さようなら。- Cosmic
Anniversary Announcements
Written by: Lakituthequick (talk)
- “Sparks of Nope.”
- —Fun With Despair (talk · Boards)
Good day folks, and welcome to Anniversary Announcements! Happy pride month!
Another busy month has passed, so let's dive straight into it!
Tour de tournaments
In this section of AA, I shall update you on all things tournaments, including new ones and progress in ongoing ones.
While the season is still getting started, a few updates can be reported for tournaments.
Awards changes
In this part of AA, I will describe all updates and changes to the meat and bones of the event, the awards. This includes additions, removals, and changes of both awards and nominees within.
New awards
These awards are brand new, or sometimes return from two or more years ago.
Updated awards
Awards that existed last year and have been updated based on recent releases or with high-ranking write-in votes from last year.