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Merging

I think we should merge all the Mario Circuits, Donut Plains, etc, especially in SMK, into one article, and describe each course in one. That way, we have about five to six longer articles than possibly twenty stubs. Old courses in MKDS will not be included, and battle courses will appear at the land but not specified by game in the template. Wayoshi 19:04, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Make it so.HK

Courses

Though the LM rooms are still ongoing, Mario Kart (esp DS) is the next big project I've been thinking about. We need articles for each course in the series, as there are near 100. A template and/or category (Racing Courses) would be required. I myself copied the stastics for each of the 36 karts in MKDS and will be adding those now in a table. Anyone who's played any one of the MK games is invited to create an article for a racing course w/:

• Game(s) it's in
• Description
• Layout
• Shortcut(s)

Good luck! Wayoshi 16:54, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Do you ever stop?HK

Lol, I don't, notice how I hatched this idea while playing it while I was gone. :) Wayoshi 16:59, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh yes, this includes Battle Courses! For those, no shortcuts, but sometimes there's little things you can do to give yourself the upper hand (ie Block Fort, MK64 version, you can pop a balloon by landing on top of an opponent)

I hatched my toad template idea while asleep. No kidding, it came to me in dream.HK

Changing the name?

Is the "(series)" part of the title really necessary? No game is actually entitled Mario Kart, so I see no reason for it having to be there. Dodo

Well,it would be weird if you take away mario kart from every game,it would be 3ds or super. -Rosalina1234

I think so. If the new one for the 3DS is called "Mario Kart", I will change it back. And Wikipedia made the series page "Mario Kart" so we should change it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart (Diddy Kong vs Bowser Jr, was Waluigi vs Wario back then)

Wikipedia isn't purely a Mario encyclopedia, and has less information than us concerning the Mario series. Look, if we have a page titled Mario (series) and Paper Mario (series) why shouldn't the same apply to the Mario Kart series ? Koopalmier 16:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Mario Kart 64 doesn't have heavy themes from Super Mario 64

Except the castle of course, which other MK (And many Mario games perhaps) games after possessed (Peach Circuit - GBA, Mario Circuit GCN, Peach Garden DS) ... heck it would probably appear in the Wii version as well.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bluekirbystar (talk).

And what are you trying to say related to this article? I see, you're right. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:13, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

Non-Mario

Since when are all the not Mario character confirmed not to appear in Mario Kart Wii?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gowser (talk).

Arcade GP?

Why make the arcade gp part of the series? I mean, nintendo didn't even make it, Namco did, and there are non-mario charators in it, plus it doesn't follow tradition in courses, cups, or items, so they should just put them in another articall, called 'Mario Kart Arcade GP Series' User:Yoshi fire

MEH! that makes no sense. because it's Mario Kart Arcade GP. Me, GK Inc.!(talk! · edits!) {{{1}}} 7:31 4 June 2013

Places!?

What the? Is the Mario Kart series considered a place? By I mean a place to drive your karts and such? Comments are welcome here. RAP... It feels like the places list is imcomplete unless an answer is told...

A game series is not a place where one can be, I mean, it's something abstract. So I'd say the Places category is wrong here. Time Questions 06:40, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Yes, I had recently checked the article's texting. There is no such category entry I'm afraid. That means there is a template that automatically qualifies the articles as "A Place that anyone can go to". I believe that it is the race courses template. I might have to do some hard work on this, if possibly if I have to place the Category: Places in the other articles. RAP... Time to fix the template.

BTW, in an unrelated statement. There are categories that are not belong here, items? games? These categories!? Great... RAP... Possibly a better type of mess... >_>

Oh, haha, this looks like work. Though I'm wondering whether "Games" is really wrong for this. Okay, there already is "Game Series", so it's redundant. Time Questions 07:01, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Main vs. Arcade

I was just wondering: is it really fair to separate the games into these two categories? There's no backing text from Nintendo that separated MKAGP from the console series. If we're going to separate by platform type, we'd want consoles and handhelds to be separate as well. Thoughts? Stumpers! 16:27, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, you see, those games, first of all, are made by completely different people. If you read the "Iwata Asks" for MKWii, you will notice that every single time they refer to MkWii as the 6th game of the franchise. They don't even mention the existence of the Arcade series. I concluded they we're excluding it(arcade), not just as on a different system, but a rather entirely different series based on the Main franchise. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Characters

Do we really need a ? beside Mii Outfit A and B in MK3DS? Seriously, there is a 99.9999999999999... (considering that Miis are in the game) that they without a doubt won't appear. McQueenMario

Maybe they will... Miis will be on the 3DS. Weird, but whatever. McQueenMario

Maybe we can use Polari or Luma. Or maybe they will make a baby Rosalina. Who knows? -Rosalina1234

Is Mario Kart 64 really the first appearance of Donkey Kong in Mario Kart? I thought the current Donkey Kong (from the N64 era onward) was the same as the original Donkey Kong Jr, with the original Donkey Kong being the modern-era Cranky Kong? So technically it's the same DK all along, right? Ekolis (talk) 02:41, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Fire balls in MK:Wii???

Where are they??? Mechayoshi (talk)

Do you mean Podoboos? They're in Bowser's Castle. A Bowser statue inside also breathes giant fireballs. Mario4Ever (talk)

No, they appear as a CPU item, in a competition: in N64 Bowser Castle Dry Bones uses infinite Fireballs that moves like Green Shells. This don't happens in normal gameplay though. Tsunami (talk)

Mirror Mode

This article has nothing on mirror mode. It is redirected from Mirror Mode but it doesn' have anything on it. I read through the whole article. Should we add something about Mirror mode?YoshiGo99

Regarding Mario Kart 64, is the engine class really 100cc in EXTRA? For some reason, it feels more like the 150cc speed when I played it. M&SG (talk) 07:48, 5 November 2011 (EDT)

Characters?

I saw all characters have ?'s in Mario Kart 7, but Nintendo confirmed on a Japanese site that only two new characters will be added. So why wouldn't the ?'s change to X's? ~ Qyzxf (talk)

Since the game hasn't come out yet, we're not sure how many secret characters could be in the game. It is unlikely that the official Japanese website would have the whole roster uploaded. As well, there will be two NEW characters (as in characters that haven't been playable before), so I think you meant hidden characters, which likely won't all be on the website yet. MarioComix 19:59, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

I meant that four new characters will be in the game, and twelve returning (+ Miis). All of the earlier playable characters are listed in the table, and those with ?'s arn't playable again, as all twelve returning drivers are confirmed already. I don't know how to explain it more clearly ~ Qyzxf (talk)

I know what you mean, it's just that the characters on the website might not be ALL of the characters, know what I'm saying? As in, there may be more hidden characters that they don't want us to know about yet, and these hidden characters may be returning characters. MarioComix 18:47, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Change request

The infobox says the classic logo was used from Super Mario Kart to Double Dash!!. However, it was actually used from Super Mario Kart to Mario Kart Arcade GP 2. I changed it myself, but Wii browser issues with large pages accidentally deleted half the page, so I had to undo the edit. Can someone re-add it back in? Or should it not be re-added because of the Arcade titles being seperate from the main series? 64Fan (Discussion) 20:06, 6 December 2011 (EST)

Thanks 64Fan (Discussion)

Wait! Weight!

I can't figure where to put the mid-light and mid-heavy characters from Mario Kart 7 in the weight section. Can anyone please figure this out for me? Thanks, Magikrazy51 (talk)

Trivia Section Image

Should we keep the pic in the article? Since the trivia policy says to implement trivia info into the article, I say it should be attach right under the character list, but I still think it doesn't look right. What are your opinions? Zero777 (talk)

If it is the picture featuring the eight classic playable characters, then I believe we should. These 8 characters have been seen as icons for the series, and that image makes effective use of portraying them. The trivia section is a decent place to once again keep it (as some of the trivia mentions these 8 characters while the trivia section itself is quite long to fit it). I honestly don't see what's wrong with keeping it in that section to be honest. Propeller Toad (talk)

Well I say to put it under the character table because that info is already mentioned in the table but not as an image. Zero777 (talk)

I couldn't see a good place to fit it directly under the character table; however, I did place it within the weight categories considering that the image is capable of representing both the characters and weight classes (additionally the section is related to the characters as well in general). Propeller Toad (talk)

PERFECTLY PLACED! Well Done! Zero777 (talk)

Split ghosts from game page

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do not split 1-3
Recently, I've noticed that the Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 7 pages are huge, especially with the ghost charts. So I was thinking that we could split the normal and expert staff ghosts on their own pages re. game to lower down the size for some browsers like the 3DS or iPod Touch. Also, it will help with the organization.

Proposer: ParaLemmy1234 (talk)
Deadline: June 17, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. ParaLemmy1234 (talk) Per my proposal.

Oppose

1. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) I get this proposal, but it is not needed. Probably ⅛ of mobile browsers, if not less even, cannot handle all the data.
2. NSY (talk) How many stubs is this going to create, these articles if created will have next to no content on the,.
3. Yoshi876 (talk) Per NSY.

Comments

Oh my god, how times do we have to repeat this: short articles =/= stubs!!!! Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 23:19, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

THANK YOU!! Now we see why its pointless... Me, GK Inc.!(talk! · edits!) {{{1}}}

We could theoretically put all the ghost data onto one page, but giving them all their own pages is a tad unnecessary. Yoshi876 (talk)

• I was thinking like this:

List of Mario Kart Wii Normal Staff ghosts … and so on with the other ghost races, including expert staff. ParaLemmy1234 (talk)

Personally I think it should be List of ghost data in the Mario Kart series with normal staff at the top and then expert at the bottom. Yoshi876 (talk)

Yoshi876 has a point. But like, keep Mario Kart Wii ghosts separate from Mario Kart 7 ghosts. Just keep the games separate. ParaLemmy1234 (talk)

It'd be structured like most lists of with the first game, then the second etc. Yoshi876 (talk)

Split Mario Kart Arcade GP (series) elements from Mario Kart (series)

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do not split 4-6
I've been looking into this article and I noticed how this article is mainly talking about the Mario Kart games Nintendo developed and very little about the Arcade GP series. This mainly talks about the home console and handheld Mario Karts, and it's not because we lack that much info on the Arcade games. Here's my reasoning why these should be discussed separately:

• The Mario Kart Arcade GP series was designed by Namco. It may not seem significant, but Nintendo allowed them to have a free hand in the series which is how it is the way it is.
• Mario Kart Arcade GP plays in a much different manner than the other Mario Kart games. For example, you have only a set number of items per race, and the items you get do not depend on your current placement. You also get prize and special items which are exclusive to the Arcade GP games.
• The courses are widely different. They do not have a set standard of 3 laps, and half of their courses are just another area of the same course. This obviously does not apply to Mario Kart games.
• Power-sliding is in a different name and the technique to use it is much further than any game in the home series.
• The article itself even seems to state that the Arcade series are separate and most points often exclude as how different the series are. It also rarely gives info on it, staying to the home series. Though it is a flaw to the article, the alternative of making a separate article for Arcade GP should be considered. Case in point: "Mario Kart Wii is the 6th game in the mainstream series"
• Nintendo does not really acknowledge the games. None of the Arcade elements (with the sole exception of the Thundercloud) ever make it in the home series, and they name their 7th Mario Kart game, Mario Kart 7, even though it technically isn't the 7th game in the series as they intended.
• Adding items from the Arcade GP series will only serve to clutter the article further (yeah there's a bunch of those), but it's the only way this article can be complete. The other way of making a separate article is a much better solution.

Proposer: Baby Luigi (talk)
Deadline: October 26, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Split

1. Baby Luigi (talk)
2. SuperYoshiBros (talk) There's so much different about them, and trying to explain the differences on one article would be painful. i.e. This is a staple for the Mario Kart series BUT in the Mario Kart Arcade GP series it's this
3. Tails777 (talk) Per SuperYoshiBros. In a way, the Mario Kart Arcade games are a sub series to the Mario Kart series. We can always mention it on this page, just link it to the arcade series.
4. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) Per TPP

Leave as it is

1. Mariofan5000 (talk) It's still part of the series, so the page shouldn't be split.
2. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) I see no reason as to why these should be split because both series share two things in common. 1. The name Mario Kart and 2 the fact that they are about Mario and friends driving around in Karts.
3. Randombob-omb4761 (talk)Per Mariofan5000. Why does it need to be split? there only 3 games!.
4. Tucayo (talk) - Per all, they are all the same series. That has been the norm for all series pages and it shouldn't be changed just because a couple of games are noticeably different from the rest.
5. YoshiKong (talk) – Per all.
6. Yoshi876 (talk) Per Tucayo.

Comments

@Mariofan5000: please convince me that you even read a single line of my proposal before you make a weak oppose Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 10:40, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

He's made his opinion clear, and he's entitled to that opinion.

Shokora (talk · edits) 17:13, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

And that's the sad thing about opinions Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 13:29, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

@Marshal Dan Troop: But there's Pacman characters, those aren't Mario characters are they?

~~ Boo4761

He didn't say Mario characters, he said Mario and friends Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 16:29, 15 October 2013 (EDT)

By the way, Super Smash Bros. and Mario & Luigi had only three games and they still get their own series article. So this point isn't valid. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)}

@Randombob-omb4761: I don't think that your reasoning is vaild. We have articles for the Mario Baseball series and the Mario Strikers series, despite both of them have only two games.--

05:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

Main Series/Arcade List split

Reading this page, I personally think that the lists of games and characters looks messy. I was thinking that we should list the Arcade games in their own list after the list of main games and do the same with the character list. The character list especially looks really messy will all these characters that are exclusive to the arcade series. Thoughts? --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

They are still Mario Kart games. It would be silly to have a sub-page for games in a series that are released on a different platform. ---Skittles

I'm not suggesting a new page, just two different lists to keep the main series and Arcade series a little separate. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

I think it looks fine the way it is.--Vommack (talk) 15:53, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

Mario Kart 8 Characters

The Mario Kart 8 cast has not been fully revealed, as we all know, Nintendo likes keeping secrets, so shouldn't we keep the Mario Kart 8 characters as ? until the game is out and we have proof these characters are not in the game?--Rosapuff (talk) 10:52, 15 May 2014 (EDT)¬¬¬¬

Um, yes it has. Some people actually own the game now (like the press and bloggers and stuff such as GameXplain) and this is the final roster. Unless Nintendo is really keeping a secret or that there is unannounced DLC. Still, GameXplain said there's nothing else in the embargo sheet so that means there's nothing else not revealed yet. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 11:59, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Still, Nintendo is known for keeping secrets and surprising people, besides, there has been some details that may suggest there are more, but just in case, we should keep them as ?--Rosapuff (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

Template removal?

I can't find something that is unclear... do you think that we can remove the template at the top of the page? Tsunami (talk)

The MK roster is messed up!

Hi. I just want to say that for many months ago, the MK roster is REALLY messed up! Wikipedia had it organised much better ages ago! Take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart#Characters Sarantis (talk) 16:59, 12 August 2015 (EDT)

Glide and Underwater mechanic

Just a suggestion and a question, why there is not a article about the gliding and underwater mechanics that appear in Mario Kart 7? We have a anti-gravity article about this mechanic.--^(TALK) 18:51, 29 January 2016 (EST)

Good question. On a related note, I have a talk page open on Spin Boost for creating a new article about Spin Boost Pillars. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:16, 1 February 2016 (EST)

Gold Mario & Tanooki Mario appearing in GP DX

A note should be added next to Metal Mario in the Character Table signifying Gold Mario appearing in the game as a palette swap, just like Ice Luigi, Fire Mario, Strawberry Don etc. Tanooki Mario is also in the game but the table doesn't reflect it. Also Paratrooper should have a tick under the Double Dash column but for some reason there isn't one. One other minor problem is that in the table, GP DX is refered to as "GP 2 DX" when it shouldn't have the 2 in the title. 185.156.173.178 05:12, 8 January 2017 (EST)

Good finds. If these are still here the next time I'm free to edit, then I'll try to clean up the section. MarioComix (talk) 05:40, 8 January 2017 (EST)

Why was the Mario Kart page changed?

I just want to know, because I don't like the change. It feels more like a watered down version of the page, as it removes the techs, the items, the engine classes, etc. Gold Luigi (talk) 09:51, 10 February 2017 (EST)

I think the old page felt more like a technical list and not like a readable article. However, those sections could certainly be reincorporated. MarioComix (talk) 21:34, 10 February 2017 (EST)

Oh, I guess that makes sense. I'm not sure how they could include the older Mario Kart page though. Gold Luigi (talk) 09:54, 11 February 2017 (EST)

I have an idea on how to incorporate these sections but I'm far too busy at the moment to work on them. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 12:49, 11 February 2017 (EST)

That's good to know. I was supposed to write this on 12th February normally, but for some reason, I wrote it today. Gold Luigi (talk) 09:04, 15 February 2017 (EST)

Gold Mario confirmed as Palette swap in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

Could someone add the note next to Metal Mario's tick in the column? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE2VniKmEVE&t=1m01s
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.235.37.83 (talk).

I'll get right to it. MarioComix (talk) 03:58, 10 March 2017 (EST)

Battle Mode

Since Battle Mode has changed throughout the series, and there's so much to talk about, should we create a page for it? Mimikyu (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

In my opinion, since the main page does not go into much detail on it, it would be a good idea, especially since the goal of Battle Mode is not as intuitive as GP or VS (race to the finish as the 1st person). MarioComix (talk) 21:19, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

I've started the page if anyone would like to help. Battle Mode (Mario Kart) Mimikyu (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2017 (EDT)

Yes I support your thoughts, I think it should have a page for it has much new information throughout the Mario kart series. User:Mario Kart 7 Rules (talk edits) 09:26, 15 March 2017 (EDT)

Mario Kart Super Circuit VS mode

This page inaccurately says the game's VS mode was limited to Yoshis on SNES tracks. That was only in one-cart play, if every player had a copy of the game all tracks and characters were playable.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 37.228.253.145 (talk).

Create a separate table for Mario Kart Tour-exclusive characters

As a mobile game, it's bound to get new characters every month, meaning that eventually the table will eventually be filled with mostly Mario Kart Tour-exclusive characters. Additionally, since a good portion of them are existing characters in different outfits, it'll start to be filled up with mostly those types of characters. Would making a separate table for MKT-exclusives help clean it up? 72.203.118.154 20:11, March 9, 2020 (EDT)

I think for this page, removing the "reskin" types exclusive to that game outright would be the best thing. Most of them just have (identifier) at the end anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:29, March 9, 2020 (EDT)

Are you referring to the footnote? I agree it's a long footnote, actually. (I was going to debate that for consistency's sake, since we listed out all the variants in MKAGPDX, to keep the list of variants for MKT, but then I noticed MKAGPDX says "palette swaps", so that's fine.) I shall shorten that footnote now, then. MarioComix (talk) 21:11, March 9, 2020 (EDT)

Consistency needed

With the recent disagreement regarding the status Mario Kart Tour, it’s important to remind that with regards to material from Nintendo its status is the same as Super Mario Run: both the site from Nintendo Co. Ltd. and the site from Nintendo of Europe put it in the list of the main games. It makes sense from their point of view, both Super Mario Run and Mario Kart Tour are developed by Nintendo (and the help of Bandai Namco is also seen in Mario Kart 8). So we either move Super Mario Run among the mobile games in the Super Mario series page, reflecting what we already do for ports and remakes that are in a separate section, or we put Mario Kart Tour among the main games again, the current situation is simply inconsistent.—Mister Wu (talk) 05:37, September 6, 2020 (EDT)

I feel like it's worth noting that Run and Tour are both mobile games, as they're developed for and released on non-Nintendo consoles, compared to every other main series game in either series (excluding Super Mario Bros.). It's kind of similar to how we put the arcade games separately, because they're released on non-Nintendo consoles (being developed by Bandai Namco isn't relevant, since Super Circuit was developed by Intelligent Systems). MarioComix (talk) 18:26, September 6, 2020 (EDT)

Cat Peach and Tanooki Mario

Even though they are considered separate characters from Peach and Mario respectively in Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, should Cat Peach and Tanooki Mario really be listed as unique characters while all of the variations from Mario Kart Tour aren't. And I'm not saying the costumes from Tour should be listed separately from their base character, but I'm just saying that the costumes aren't alternate costumes but rather separate playable characters for their base character in MKT either, so what's the difference? --SuperGarfieldWorld (talk) 9/13/2020 - 6:10 PM EST

Mario Kart 8 doesn't have any variants excluding characters who share a slot on the CSS. Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach have their own unique emblem, voice lines, and animations, making them more unique than half the roster of both Mario Kart Wii and Double Dash!! (where a lot of partners shared animations). The variants in Mario Kart Tour are counted as variants due to one of the following criteria: naming style of "character (variant)", e.g. "Mario (Musician)"; sharing emblems with the base character; sharing certain animations (like the "rocket start" animation) or all animations with the base character; and sharing voice lines with the base character, such as when selected. Basically, the concept of variants only exists for characters in Mario Kart Tour, and is not to be applied to any games beforehand. MarioComix (talk) 00:32, September 14, 2020 (EDT)

Perfect Attendance

If Arcade GP VR is counted for perfect attendance, why not MKLive: Home Circuit? I mean, it's another installment in the series. And don't say it's a spinoff, when the arcade ones are spinoffs as well! In that case, shouldn't only Mario and Luigi be the only people to appear in every installment?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShadicMCGS (talk).

I've made the change. MarioComix (talk) 17:31, October 25, 2020 (EDT)

Ultra Shortcuts

I’m currently working on an article on the Ultra Shortcuts (lap-skipping glitches) which appear throughout the series. In order to explain how they function, it is necessary to briefly explain Mario Kart’s checkpoint system. I have tried to upload a couple of checkpoint maps to use as reference, but they were deleted (understandably) as they were deemed to be too technical and irrelevant. I thought if I explained myself here, it might seem more reasonable.

Also, regardless of the checkpoint debate, would my article even be accepted or would it also be deemed irrelevant?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by JJRC (talk).

I'm not sure what you mean about the "checkpoint system", but I think this sort of thing would not warrant its own article. It may be suitable for the glitch pages for each game. Nightwicked Bowser 11:42, April 24, 2021 (EDT)

Point taken. I just thought that since the Ultra Shortcut is a pretty significant glitch, and appears in most of the games in the series, it could warrant its own page.

The checkpoint system: each course has multiple checkpoints and key checkpoints, each of which have to be reached in the right order to complete a lap. However, it is possible on some tracks to skip from between KCP 0 (the finish line) and KCP 1 to the final KCP, and complete a lap, as the checkpoints immediately in front and behind the checkpoint you are in are always activated. Hence, Ultra Shortcut.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by JJRC (talk).

Splitting the game modes

So I was looking at this page, and I noticed that there are no article links for any game modes for the Mario Kart games except Battle Mode. So I tried searching "Grand Prix", and it redirected me to a section of the Mario Kart series article (more specificially, the Modes of Gameplay section Mario_Kart_(series)#Modes_of_play (also, it specifically says "'Time Trial' redirects here")). And I was thinking, "Why does Battle Mode have an article, but every other game mode doesn't?" I mean sure, Battle Mode has a lot of Fly Guys circling around it, but there's plenty of bits and pecices to Grand Prix too! So I'm thinking we should get these game modes split up and give them their own articles. What do you think? Broque (talk) 17:31, July 1, 2021 (EDT)

I think more of a case can be argued for Battle Mode being merged into each respective Mario Kart series article than its own thing because I don't think Grand Prix really changes across games. It's always race 4 courses in a cup whereas Balloon Battle is pretty different. I also don't see modes in other games getting their own articles either like Mario Party's mini-game mode. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 15:43, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Waluigi Stadium

In the course table, it currently says that Waluigi Stadium from Double Dash only appears in that game and has 1 total appearance, but it actually reappears in Mario Kart Wii. I cannot edit the table as it is protected. 179.218.120.189 18:04, March 22, 2022 (EDT)

GP series race course table split

Even as someone who likes big and complicated tables I'd like to propose to split the race course table between GP and non GP games for no other apparent reason than the speculative idea that there will never be any overlap between the two (no GP tracks will appear in a non GP game and viceversa). As per the vote seen in this talk page before, there is no need to split the Namco games from this page, however said vote was made before the table. Opinions? MariusM (talk) 13:30, January 5, 2023 (EST)

It would be nice to have the main series all in a row, but on the other hand, there's also an appeal in having every course in the series on one table. Though if you just want a list of every MK course ever, we have Template:MK race courses for that. Actually, a similar change would be nice there, listing the tracks by game in order of main series, Tour, the arcade games, and Live Circuit. (Maybe those last two should be the other way around, but in terms of tracks I think even the arcade games have more of a shot than tracks with no layout.) ...Getting back to the point, I think I convinced myself - a subheader for the arcade games (and heck, throw Live Circuit in there as well) seems like it'd be a good idea. Ahemtoday (talk) 15:59, January 5, 2023 (EST)

Honestly, the console Mario Kart games and Mario Kart Tour share a same set of courses with each other, a similar thing happens with the Mario Kart Arcade GP series. The purpose of the tables is showing overlaps, otherwise a much more convenient format (e.g. galleries of course icons) would have been chosen. This is why I think the tables should be split, as there's simply no real overlap between two subsets.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:15, January 5, 2023 (EST)

I don't see a problem with splitting the tables. If, theoretically, the arcade tracks do make an appearance in the main games, we could always move them back. But the core console games are interconnected with each other and don't really have anything to do with the arcade titles and vice versa. I'd support splitting the tables. I can't speak for Live Circuit though. Don't have it, don't have the space to use it anyway, so I don't know much about it. Tails777 Talk to me!

I do not agree with this at all. What makes the GP games so intrinsically different that they need their own section? Why a separation is needed in this case? The purpose of this table is to make an exhaustive list of all race courses in this franchise in a form that is easy to read for people. By subdividing-it, not only you archive the same result without the chronology, but you also increase the page length for nothing. People won't go see Template:MK race courses if they have a list here. All it will do is introduce confusion. It is as if those games doesn't belong to the same franchise as the "mainline ones". --Conradd (talk) 16:15, January 14, 2023 (EST)

They kind of don't. Arcade GP's tracks have had fifteen years to cross over to the main series, and in that time, they have not. I don't see how separating them because of that introduces confusion. In fact, its greatest benefit is making the table easier to read. The arcade games are three extra columns on a table that already has ten to keep track of as you scroll down it. Columns that contain no information aside from information on the arcade tracks, so why not split them? Ahemtoday (talk) 16:33, January 14, 2023 (EST)

So we separate them from the main table because they haven't appeared in a console game recently? So what? N64 Wario Stadium hasn't reappeared since, should we also separate it from the table? Do we have to set a specific number of years for them to be included? What kind of arbitrary rule is that? Confusion because we have a template with all of the courses in chronological order and now we have this page with not all of them, some separated. I don't understand how it's easier to read when you can choose a table that is in a single block, containing all the games courses arranged in chronological order of release dates. If the information about the GP games bother you that much, do not included it, simple. --Conradd (talk) 17:08, January 14, 2023 (EST)

What makes you prefer not covering the Arcade GP series at all to covering it in a separate table? Ahemtoday (talk) 17:15, January 14, 2023 (EST)

(EDIT) I don't want the presentation of this page to be screw up for this, it's not worth it. If you want more reasons, I think our conversations provide enough. --Conradd (talk) 17:42, January 14, 2023 (EST)

I'd say it's less presentable to list the arcade courses in the same table as the console courses, considering the two subsets have never intermingled once, because it only creates a cluster of blank table cells that are difficult to scour through. Your N64 Wario Stadium example is a false equivalency: console Mario Kart games have shown a clear resolve to only reuse courses from its own subset, so them bringing back Wario Stadium at some point is infinitely more likely than with any arcade course. As Tails777 stated above, if console titles will ever start recognising courses from arcade titles or vice-versa, there's nothing holding this wiki back from reverting to the previous set-up; for now, though, there's no trade-off in making these course listings more digestible. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:13, January 14, 2023 (EST)

Sky-High Sundae's position on the table

It seems there's some disagreement on how we should handle this, so before an edit war starts, I'd like to hash this out if we can. I think my stance is that there's no way to win here, because either we make it look like it belongs to one game while its joint-custody situation is relegated to a footnote, or we make it look like two tracks and it's only clear it's one when you click on the links and see they're the same. Personally, though, I think the former is preferable. Between the two, I'd rather imply something was from the wrong number of games than is the wrong amount of tracks. Especially considering what game Sky-High Sundae's from is still quite contentious outside the wiki. Ahemtoday (talk) 09:42, January 27, 2023 (EST)

There's been a proposal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:37, January 27, 2023 (EST)

They're well aware of that Doc, hence why we have the footnote on this page. They meant where to put it in on the table in this page, in one area or the other or both, and they're concerned that it can make it seem like there are two Sky-High Sundae courses at a glance. Personally, I disagree about how much of an issue that would be (it only takes a moment or two to read the footnote or click the link), but I'll leave it to others to decide. User:Somethingone/sig 10:46, January 27, 2023 (EST)

I think another argument is consistency. Every other course is only listed once. I don't find SHS's joint custody situation a compelling reason to change this, especially when it leads to duplicate information. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:04, January 28, 2023 (EST)

Honestly? Feature it in both, as that's what the proposal decided. Maybe put a different sign as footnote so it's harder to pass it as a minor footnote, but I think most readers will just think what has always been stated: that the course appearing in both parts means that it's considered a new course in both games. If in the future they assign a prepended platform code to the name shown in-game, we'll put Sky-High Sundae in the part corresponding to said platform code.--Mister Wu (talk) 05:31, January 29, 2023 (EST)

I really can't agree with this. We are putting it on the table twice when the table exists because tracks show up in multiple games. We are showing the exact same information in two different places. Even with the footnote, this is not a natural way of doing this. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:50, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Personally, as I said in my edit, I think the note added after Sky-High, plus the yellow color and the note in the MK8DX column is enough. There aren't that many footnotes in this table, especially in the courses column, which makes them stand out to the readers, so you can take advantage of that if you want to add any clarification or additional information. For me, the purpose of this table is to list all the unique main courses in the series, so I think we should only list them once. I also agree that two Sky-Highs could lead to unnecessary confusion. As for where it should go, I think putting it in the Tour row at the end is better because, both the game and the course are much more recent than MK8DX (and because this course was clearly made initially for Tour and its shitty mobile graphics, let's face it).--Conradd (talk) 22:07, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Proposal: where do we put Sky-High Sundae?

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With the Tour courses 1-8-1

Right, so. As discussed above, the current wiki policy, set by this proposal, is that Sky-High Sundae is a course from both Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart Tour. This leads to the question of how to handle it on this article's table, since we have to put it somewhere.

I want to stress this will in no way effect our policy on which game Sky-High Sundae comes from, only the table on this article.

Proposer: Ahemtoday (talk)
Deadline: February 13, 2023, 23:59 GMT

With the Mario Kart 8 courses

1. Ahemtoday (talk) Second choice, since as I'll explain further down, I think putting it on the table twice is the worst option. I do think putting it with Tour makes more sense, since it matches the race course template, and we did that there because it's the odd one out among the MK8 courses as the only Deluxe-exclusive one (and also because of the platform code).

With the Mario Kart Tour courses

1. Ahemtoday (talk) First choice. I do not think putting it in two distinct places on the table is desirable, since A) it would result in a row of cells that contains completely identical information to a previous row; B) the table's entire purpose is to show what tracks are in multiple games so we should just let it do that; C) Sky-High Sundae's joint custody situation is made clear enough by the footnote and everything else on the wiki, so we don't need to break how the table is laid out just so it doesn't look at first glance like it belongs to only one; and D) it would instead look at first glance like it was two tracks like Luigi Circuit and Sherbet Land and I think any way you slice it, how many tracks something is is more important to get right than which game it originates from.
2. ShootingStar7X (talk) Per proposal.
3. Infinite8 (talk) I know it's a new course for both games. But maybe for the table, it should be under the Tour row because of the "mob" platform code. Per proposal.
4. Tails777 (talk) I still consider Sky-High Sundae to be more of a Tour track than an 8 Deluxe track for reasons I stated back when we discussed what to consider it so my vote goes here. As for my main reasoning, per Infinite8.
5. Conradd (talk) I think this option is the best.
6. Killer Moth (talk) Per all.
7. RealStuffMister (talk) per all and per my explanation in the edit summary on the Mario Kart (series) page
8. Arend (talk) It was always made as a new course for Tour, as in Tour data, it's assigned with the mob prefix, not a wu or nsw one. I've held onto this sentiment from the start and it hasn't changed. Per all.

Put it on the table twice

1. Somethingone (talk) The relevant part of this table says that the game each track is in is their "Original Game", which in other words is the game it debuted in. Sky-High Sundae is a new course for both MK8D and MKT, so it should be put in both parts of the table. The same should be done with the racecourses template, as Sky-High Sundae is a unique case in the Mario Kart series of a track debuting in two games instead of one (need I remind you that the other two non-city tour courses in the pass debuted months before the pass even existed, and were given the "Tour" prefix everywhere else prior to Wave 3). I do not see how "It would appear like it is two separate tracks if we list it twice" could apply to this; under the table it is listed with the same check marks, coloration, and footnotes, and if that's not enough they can always check the link. And don't points C and D contradict each other? If the footnote appears twice for both "Sky-High Sundae" entries, saying that it is officially a new course for both of the games it is listed in (hence the "original course" at the top of the table), why would someone think that Nintendo released two separate new tracks with the same name in the same two Mario Kart games that are marketed as both being the debut course of both at the same time? And to everyone treating the "mob" internal name as the holy grail; can we really treat internal content as the ultimate objective determination and not take into account the possibility of Nintendo just having changed their mind on something? Remember, these same Mario Kart leaks also said that Waluigi Pinball was listed to debut in Wave 3 for the pass but it didn't. (and to the person talking about the upcoming Yoshi's Island and Bathroom courses, why does that matter when the next new course announced is a desert ruins with a Piranha Plant motif?) In general, I'd much rather uphold our "It debuted in both games" stance all around instead of soft-coring to one side and saying "it debuted in Mario Kart Tour and also the Booster Course Pass". If we decide to reconsider our "two game debut" stance and/or Nintendo pulls another Sky-High Sundae situation with a more distinctly "Tour-advertised" course, we can always pull a broader proposal to repeal the original SHS debut game proposal.

Comments

Another thing to point out is that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart Tour would reveal another new non-city course in similar way to Sky-High Sundae, it would mess up the table even more if going for option C. Imagine new courses like mobyi and mobbr (future Tour tracks found in the game's files) that would presumably be new Booster Course Pass courses introduced a week before their Tour versions. I would also add my two suggestion concepts: option A and option B (with the Booster Course Pass logo in Tour row section, as Tencent releases of 8 Deluxe treated city courses as no-prefix new courses). Infinite8 20:15, January 30, 2023 (EST)

I'm not too sure about putting the BCP logo in there. You have a point regarding the Tencent releases, but every other release does prefix the city courses. We'd have courses marked as Tour courses outside China, and courses only marked as Tour courses in-game and not on the website, all painted the same level of "arguably a BCP track" because of one course and a presumption of how future courses will be released. It seems better fit to put this information in a footnote somewhere. Ahemtoday (talk) 21:23, January 30, 2023 (EST)

@Somethingone a due precisation: the only main leak regarding Sky-High Sundae was the Mario Kart Tour icon of the course (which was eventually used in the final game), the New_Gmob_IceBuilding internal name is not a leak, but rather the course name used in the final product. It is not in the same ballpark of the Booster Course Pass leaks that had to do with content that was ultimately changed in the final product. With that being said, the text that actually ended in the in-game news post introducing the Sundae Tour revealed that indeed the original plan was releasing Sky-High Sundae in Mario Kart Tour first, so a change in the original release plan definitely happened, that unchanged text shows that it was a last-minute change, too.--Mister Wu (talk) 11:27, February 4, 2023 (EST)

A note about the new Yoshi’s Island course

It's worth noting how said course was originally datamined in Mario Kart Tour no later than June 2022. Its internal abbreviated name is mobyi, which puts it in the same situation of Sky-High Sundae, the main difference being that this time the map objects of the course were found in the data of Mario Kart Tour several months prior to the course's announcement in the Booster Course Pass. Since I have data of previous tours, if I have some time in the next days I'll try to see if I can find when the map objects first appeared in the game's assets.--Mister Wu (talk) 00:39, February 9, 2023 (EST)

I fully expect Yoshi's Island to come to Tour and be treated as a new course. When it does, that's when we should switch to treating it the same way as Sky-High Sundae. Ahemtoday (talk) 01:09, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Agreed. We need to see how they'll handle the release in both games this time and act accordingly. Oddly enough the Japanese site of Nintendo doesn't have a "topic" article about the wave 4 announcement so we have very limited information at the moment.--Mister Wu (talk) 05:33, February 9, 2023 (EST)

One thing that can guarantee a confirmation for Tour is that when the official Mario Kart Tour Twitter account (in the case of the English account) retweets the Nintendo of America tweet regarding to the new Yoshi's Island course. The Tour Twitter account has previously retweeted the NoA tweet about the course lineup in the first three waves. Infinite8 05:52, February 9, 2023 (EST)

...Sooooo, going to raise a question here while we wait for the Yoshi's Island course to end up like a Sky-High Sundae situation; what if it doesn't end up like this? Unlike Sky-High Sundae, which was advertised to be a "new" course for both game simultaneously, this course does not seem to be under that umbrella as well. None of the subtle advertisement hints from Sky-High Sundae can be found here; the Twitter account did not retweet the first trailer for Yoshi's Island, there was no statement in the trailer of Yoshi's Island coming to Tour in the future, and the Mii Racing Suits do not hint at a Yoshi-themed tour coming up for Tour (the next one is a Spike-themed suit, the one after that will be a Pokey-themed suit). What do we do if it takes months before they announce the course for Tour, or never does so at all? User:Somethingone/sig 22:05, March 3, 2023 (EST)

Well, we keep it like it is, then. We should be treating it like an 8 Deluxe course at this point. Ahemtoday (talk) 00:10, March 4, 2023 (EST)

We keep doing like we did with Sky-High Sundae: we treated it as a new course in both games mostly because that’s what Nintendo did, otherwise we would have just kept the note about its internal platform code. This course will likely end up in a future Yoshi Tour, and at that point we’ll see what Nintendo does interns of both in-game prefix and written material, until then it’s a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe course, and we keep the note about its internal platform code in the page.—Mister Wu (talk) 05:25, March 4, 2023 (EST)

As a little update, the official Twitter account of Mario Kart Tour confirmed that the course will be named just Yoshi’s Island in Mario Kart Tour, without any platform prefix. As usual, we’ll wait for the official Twitter post of the tour, the internal news notice of the upcoming Yoshi Tour and the news article on the Official Home of Mario before taking any action, but the suggestion is already there that Yoshi’s Island will get the Sky-High Sundae treatment.—Mister Wu (talk) 12:23, March 31, 2023 (EDT)

The new tracks from Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass should be added in race courses list

That's something that should be simple. Just add the checkmarks for the courses and a reference for the respective wave.

I could edit there myself, but as the page is protected I'm just drop this info here, looking for someone that can edit the page to make the updates :) Shideravan (talk) 14:43, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Mario Kart Tour should be included in the main series Mario Kart list

Mario Kart Tour should'nt be in an extra category, since it's a main series entrie. For example in the Super Mario series article Super Mario Run isn't excluded. I think it should be merged.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Big Super Mario Fan (talk).

MK GP VR

Should the Mario Kart VR be added along with the other arcade games? I don't know much info about it or how many tracks there are, but it would be cool if someone added the tracks from this game. 172.58.182.254 18:06, May 18, 2024 (EDT)

According to Mario Kart Arcade GP VR's article, the game only has different "skins" of one track, though it doesn't state what those are. I'm hesitant to suggest any course of action since I only know what the wiki already has, but I get the feeling we'll need to rework how we present the arcade subseries's courses once someone arrives with the info. Maybe we add the similarly skin-based courses of Live Circuit, too? Ahemtoday (talk) 21:27, May 18, 2024 (EDT)

I feel like it would be good to add the Live Circuit tracks along with the VR games since they are similar with having different track skins, but it would be more difficult for VR since it was only in Japan and London for a limited time, while Live Circuit was available worldwide.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.61.44 (talk).

Weird mandela effect for me

So I was checking Royal Raceway the other day, and it said it wasn't in Mario Kart 7, even though I remember playing it on my game. So I looked everywhere and I can't find it anywhere. Did anyone else experience this or have any track in MK7 that resembles it? I just feel like I remember that glider section... 172.59.197.103 15:36, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

Sure it wasn't MK8? I've misremembered tracks from those games being in each other myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:52, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

It may have been MK7 Mario circuit because they all have cherry blossoms, or it could've been what you said IDK lol. 172.59.197.103 15:36, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

Mistake in the character table

Villager now counted as only one character in MK8 deluxe Dry bones is in MKW Luma isn't in MKW 2.102.37.188 22:07, April 2, 2025 (EDT)

Which "MKW" are you talking about? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:17, April 2, 2025 (EDT)

Mario Kart World, but dry bones is in it and he's listed as not being in it, also Poochy isn't in MKW either 2.102.37.188 09:58, April 3, 2025 (EDT)

correction, poochy is listed as being in mario kart tour, not mario kart world, but luma needs to be removed from mario kart world as he isn't added, dry bones needs to be added to mario kart world, but mario kart 8 deluxe only has 48 characters (including the mii) 2.102.37.188 10:05, April 3, 2025 (EDT)

RMX Courses

How come the RMX courses from Mario Kart Tour aren't listed in the list of courses? I think that they should be because they are their own individual courses seperate from their original themes.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angus80w (talk).

"Major entries"

The list of games on this page uses a made-up fan idea of "major entries" in order to separate Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit from the other console games. I must ask: why? It's a Nintendo Switch game, meaning it objectively is a console game, regardless of whether it also happens to use RC car toys, and it's included in the Mario Kart series on Mario Portal's list of games (which you can filter by series). It does have pretty different gameplay, but that isn't stopping MK Arcade GP VR from sharing a section with the other arcade games. Having multiple sections with only one game each is also a bit of a hindrance to navigation. I suggest we get rid of the "major entries" thing and just put Home Circuit with the other console games.
On a similar note, Mario Kart Tour is split off into a separate "mobile games" section despite also being included in the aforementioned Mario Portal list and having its courses and characters added to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (with promotional material that clearly listed it as part of the series). I find this a bit more excusable since "mobile games" is at least more objective than whatever "major entries" is supposed to mean, but I wouldn't mind reorganising it to also put Tour with the other games like how its fellow mobile games Super Mario Run and Dr. Mario World are handled. That would only leave the Arcade games in their own section, as they're the only ones not included in the Mario Portal list (and there's also more than one of them, so the separate section is a bit more useful). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 20:48, April 18, 2025 (EDT)

I personally agree, especially on the Mario Kart Tour part. Nintendo officially considers it a mainline Mario Kart game so I see no reason why we shouldn't either. As for Home Circuit, I personally see it as a spin-off, but if an official Nintendo site considers it a part of the series, same deal. Tails777 Talk to me!

To be fair, things being seen as "mainline" was introduced to the wiki as far back as 2008, way before Tour and Live: Home Circuit were even a thing. I agree with merging Tour with the mainline entries, given how elements of Tour are implemented in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart World. Not entirely sure about Live: Home Circuit, but I suppose it's the same deal. rend (talk) (edits) 08:00, April 19, 2025 (EDT)

Back then, "mainline" was just used to separate the arcade games, which I'm fine with since the idea of them not being part of the series has official basis (they're excluded from the Mario Portal list and aren't counted for the numbered titles of Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8). But the idea of Tour and Live: Home Circuit not being mainline is entirely a fan invention. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:45, April 19, 2025 (EDT)

Group Tour and Live: Home Circuit with the other games

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Following on from the above discussion, may as well settle this with a proposal. This page currently uses a made-up grouping of "major entries" with no official basis, solely so that it can separate Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit from the other console games, despite the fact that it is also a console Mario Kart game and is included in the Mario Kart series on Mario Portal's list of games (which you can filter by series). Why should its usage of RC car toys make it not count? Mario Kart 8 Deluxe also incorporates gimmicky peripherals (the Nintendo Labo Toy-Con controllers). If Nintendo says it counts, I don't see why we shouldn't follow suit.

That same website also includes Mario Kart Tour in its list of games, and it was also included with the other games in promotional material for the Booster Course Pass, which brought back many of its courses and characters. We currently have it in a separate "mobile games" section, which is at least more objective than calling it "major" or "minor", but the other two Mario mobile games (Super Mario Run and Dr. Mario World) aren't separated like this on their series pages, and you could argue that it being a mobile game is an arbitrary reason to separate it when Nintendo consistently does not do so. Reducing the number of single-entry sections (there's currently three) could also help make the page a bit easier to navigate.

So I propose we organise the list of games more like other series pages do, with "Main games" including all the console games and Tour (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe still in a "port" subsection). "Arcade games" can remain as its own section as those games are never included in Nintendo's official lists of entries. I'll make this my first poll proposal in case anyone agrees with moving one game but not the other.

Proposer: Hewer (talk)

Group Mario Kart Tour with the other games

Group Tour with the other games 17-0
Deadline: June 3, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on May 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Given the vast quantity of Tour tracks that were in the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass, we can't think of a reason to not include Tour as a "major" Mario Kart title anymore. At the very least, it's definitely more significant than the GPs or Home Circuit is, if it's allowed to appear in the pool of retro courses.
3. Altendo (talk) Mario Kart Tour is shown as a "previous Mario Kart game" when relative to the Booster Course Pass' announcement.
4. Arend (talk) I'm on the fence with Mario Kart Live, given that it's an RC-based game that's far removed from most other entries that even reuses music from MK8, yet the one original music track it has IS acknowledged in Mario Kart World. Tour, though? Despite its vastly different gameplay loop, nearly all its new courses, as well as a variety of their versions of various classic courses, are brought back to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, as did three of its debuting characters, all but three of these courses being treated as courses and characters from past entries. To me, this seems evidence enough that Nintendo treats Mario Kart Tour as an official mainline entry.
5. Rykitu (talk) This is being treated as a mainline entry by Nintendo, and they actually acknowledge this game unlike the GP games.
6. PopitTart (talk) Per all.
7. Nelsonic (talk) Per all.
8. Xiahou Ba, The Nasty Warrior (talk) Tour's awful bastardization of several GBA tracks, porting of the various city tracks, and the reuse of assets from the characters there appear in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which is clearly a mainline game, so it should be an official mainline entry in the series.
9. MarioComix (talk) Since this is consistent with what we're doing for Super Mario Run and Dr. Mario World.
10. Piotrek1113 (talk) Looking how much Tour influenced World it's weird seeing MKT being separated from the console games. Also the fact that Tour was on the promotional poster for the series as a whole.
11. Nintendo101 (talk) Mario Kart is one of the few series Nintendo has given some sort of official list of entries for (via Mario Portal). When one selects "Mario Kart" under the series tab here, one can see Mario Kart Tour is listed among other games. I do not think there is much objective reason to deviate from this. Mario Kart is Mario Kart.
12. Tails777 (talk) Strong support. It was acknowledged as a mainline game with the BCP, that alone is enough for me.
13. Kirby the Formling (talk) Tour has so much importance to the Mario Kart franchise. Considering how many things from this mobile game have come back in Mario Kart World makes it quite important, so calling Tour just a minor spin off game feels wrong.
14. Kingoffire U (talk) Per all.
15. YoYo (talk) it's influence is far too large to ignore
16. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
17. Polley001 (talk) Tour's separation from the rest of the "mainline" series has always felt like purely a fan perception, whereas Nintendo has never really made such a separation, and in actuality Tour's connection to the other games couldn't really be stronger in my eyes. While I do see the recent interview as definitive proof that Mario Kart World is the true "Mario Kart 9", New Super Mario Bros. Wii has never been given problems for not being New Super Mario Bros. 2, and neither should Tour here.

Oppose

Group Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit with the other games

failed to reach consensus 10-11
Deadline: June 3, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 10, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal 2: RC-based boogaloo
2. PopitTart (talk) I feel like treating Tour and Live: Home Circuit differently comes up to personal opinion of the latter feeling too "different", rather than any significant official distinction. Both are on Mario Portal and both are remixed in World. Unlike Mario Party, the numbering of Mario Kart games has included every internally-developed game, regardless of platform.
3. Nelsonic (talk) I think this falls in the same boat as Super Mario Maker and Super Mario Maker 2. We count both of those as main series Super Mario games, when they are very divorced from the usual Super Mario game formatting. The same applies here. Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is different only in the sense that there is the added element of driving around physically. The core aspects of Mario Kart are all still here.
4. Nintendo101 (talk) like Mario Kart Tour, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is listed among other Mario Kart titles on on Mario Portal. I would still say it is fine to include.
5. Waluigi Time (talk) Nintendo seems content to include this with the rest of the Mario Kart titles, so we may as well follow suit. If the mainline series can have as many different gameplay styles as it does, we can stand to include games in other series that may be seen as oddballs.
6. YoYo (talk) it's a Mario Kart game isn't it? Released by Nintendo, right? what reason could there possibly be for not including it
7. Okapii (talk) I agree the game *feels* like a spinoff, but if Nintendo treats it on the same level as the rest of the series then it isn't our place to decide we know better.
8. Kingoffire U (talk) Per all.
9. Sorbetti (talk) Per all.
10. Daita (talk) Per perfectly balancing the votes.

Oppose

1. Camwoodstock (talk) In contrast, Home Circuit is extremely insular, pretty much by design considering what the game actually is. There's a very slim chance this will be getting retro courses anytime soon, given it plays very differently mechanically (...less so in terms of gameplay mechanics, moreso in terms of a physical, actual mechanism.) The way we see it, this is to Kart what Mario Party-e is to Party. Definitely a part of the same series, but so radically different in terms of how one engages with it, down to relying on bespoke physical items, that it feels very, very strange to call it "major".
2. Altendo (talk) I can expand Camwoodstock's claim by expanding the official definition of a mainline game. Gameplay isn't the main focus of deciding a game subcategory, otherwise, Mario Party DS would be listed as a mainline game while Mario Party 9 wouldn't. But the selection of minigames and chronicles in both Mario Party: The Top 100 and Mario Party Superstars makes it clear that the latter is a mainline game while the former isn't, and seeing how both "compilation" games were made by Nintendo subsidiary Nintendo Cube, it is an official Nintendo-recognized source for distinguishing between "mainline" and "spinoff". Unlike Mario Kart Tour, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit isn't shown in the courses list, and that could be because there are no default courses in the latter, and because the gameplay is so different from the other games that it isn't shown, but it's still not classified as a mainline title, at least in the Booster Course Pass announcement. Oh, and by the way, all of the handheld Mario Party games are in the Mario Portal as well, except for -e. So while Home Circuit is definitely a bigger title than -e, I still don't see it as a mainline title, similar to the handheld Mario Party games, which have varying gameplay but also aren't seen as mainline.
3. Rykitu (talk) The games gimmicks are too different than an actual mainline entry.
4. Xiahou Ba, The Nasty Warrior (talk) This game feels like a spinoff of Mario Kart 8, if anything, especially with the high amount of asset reuse from that game, down to the UI.
5. Kirby the Formling (talk) Per Altendo.
6. Piotrek1113 (talk) Per all.
7. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
8. PrincessPeachFan (talk): If Kosuke Yabuki heavily implies that Home Circuit isn't a console Mario game, we shouldn't be claiming it is.
9. Polley001 (talk) Developed by an external studio, void of any classic courses, and its only real legacy thus far (besides being the Switch's sole original Mario Kart game) being that it has a song arranged in Mario Kart World. The influence Home Circuit has had on the series compared to Tour could not be more night and day, and it's no surprise that it has been treated as an outcast on multiple occasions, such as the "Mario Kart Through the Years" wallpaper and Yabuki's recent "Mario Kart World is the first new [home console game] since Mario Kart 8 Deluxe" comment.
10. SGoW (talk) What Nintendo considers to be a major entry in a given Mario series seems to be based primarily on marketing (e.g. including Nintendo Switch ports/remakes as separate mainline Mario games, while ignoring ports/remakes for older consoles), so I really think we should stop putting so much stock into what they say in regards to this.
11. Kirbeat (talk) I don't think that this game should be counted as a mainline game of the series. Yes, it is included in the Mario Portal, but I don't think that it is there because it is a "main" game of the series. I think it is there only because it is a game of the series, no matter what its status is. Currently the article counts Home Circuit as "RC-based" with the others as "Main games", not using the wording of mayor or minor, and I feel that the article is perfectly like this. Still I think that this topic should be discussed from the start but from a different approach, as the proposal being set by a one vote difference doesn't seem right to me. Anyone could come and vote for the other side after this comment of mine and balance them out again. I see that this proposal has been extended several times already; I would vote on just doing the discussion once again with other points of view, or something like that.

Major comments

@Camwoodstock: The point of this isn't to classify Home Circuit as "major", it's to remove the "major" classification, and to follow Nintendo's own classification of the series rather than making up our own. We actually do list Mario Party-e with the other Mario Party games, though its situation is different because it's excluded from the Mario Portal list for that series, unlike Home Circuit. And who says retro courses determine whether a game is mainline? Mario Kart 8 is also yet have any retro courses, with none of its courses appearing in Mario Kart Tour or (as far as I'm aware) Mario Kart World. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:11, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Wait, we don't think we get what you mean by "it's to remove the 'major' classification" for Tour. Isn't that option literally to move Tour into the list labelled "Major entries"? (Sure, we might need to rename it at some point if the distinction starts to grow fuzzy, but for now, it's labelled "major", so we're calling it "major".) ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 15:47, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I think he means that if both entries are being grouped with the major entries, the term "major entries" has become obsolete and would be retired (given that the only non-major entries left are like, the Arcade GP titles). rend (talk) (edits) 15:51, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

That makes a bit more sense; to be honest, it probably should be renamed in the first place, as "major entries" sounds incredibly wishy-washy. There's a reason people talk about what counts as a "mainline" Super Mario game, and not a "major" Super Mario game. But, for now, the section is called "major", so we'll begrudgingly just stick to that until the proposal's done--and by that token, we think Tour should go in, whereas Home Circuit should stay out. Maybe just give that one a bespoke "Other" section, like how we treat the Wario's Woodses on the Wario franchise page. (Yeah, sure, that's a franchise page, not a series page, but they use the same format.) ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 16:17, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

"Major entries" is currently a subsection of "Console games", which wouldn't work if we included Tour. I'm suggesting instead having one section that includes all the non-arcade games (including Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in a subsection), and one other section for the arcade games. The idea is for the former section to be consistent with what Nintendo considers the series to be, as seen in the list on Mario Portal. Since we need to call it something, I've suggested "Main games", for consistency with Super Mario (series). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:56, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

@Altendo: Home Circuit is only excluded from the Booster Course Pass marketing because none of its tracks are included in the DLC, it's the same reason Mario Kart 8 isn't listed. That list is just described as "past Mario Kart games" that "you might recognise some tracks from", not necessarily every Mario Kart game ever. And the differences with Mario Party are that a) the Mario Portal list contradicts the in-game lists in The Top 100 and Superstars, and b) our Mario Party series page is organised differently: it doesn't describe any of its games as "major" or "mainline" or similar, it just distinguishes between home consoles and handhelds (which is something the Mario Kart series page does not do). Though I might not be opposed to a rework of some kind for that page as well, seeing as the Switch games have blurred the distinction a bit. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:42, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

To be fair, how can any of the MKLHC courses even be included in literally anything? All of their routes are custom-made and interchangeable due to the nature of them being impromptu courses for the RC car to drive through. Not to mention that all of their music are taken verbatim from Mario Kart 8, as if to say they weren't meant to be repurposed for later non-RC games. rend (talk) (edits) 15:47, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Indeed. But judging by the Mario Portal list, Nintendo doesn't seem to think that the inability of a game's courses to return excludes it from the series. Again, note that Mario Kart 8's courses haven't returned (and neither has anti-gravity, so you could make the argument that many of that game's courses can't return either). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:56, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Regarding the Mario Kart 8 courses, I believe there's still the possibility for them to return in a later title or even in potential World DLC. They could redesign the courses to rely less (or not rely at all) on the anti-gravity gimmick, like how the Crash Nitro Kart tracks have been implemented in Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled; and given how World removed underwater driving yet still included Wario Shipyard, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Plus, wall driving is still a thing in World as well.
With Live: Home Circuit, the courses from those games are unable to return to another Mario Kart because there is no design. There's themed aesthetics and obstacles with a background music track taken from another game, but that's all there is. The most important thing, the track layout, is missing, because it's never the same across all players and 100% interchangeable in a gaming session. rend (talk) (edits) 05:59, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

@Rykitu You do realize that Mario Kart Live's title music has a remix in Mario Kart World too, right (which would mean Nintendo DOES acknowledge the game)? At least, if said remix being in the Mario Kart World Direct indicates anything. rend (talk) (edits) 18:57, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I don't really follow up on new details regarding Mario Kart World, so I wouldn't have known that. Whoops! Rykitu

@Rykitu: Nintendo does acknowledge Home Circuit as an entry in the series on their official website, that's the basis of my argument. And they're still selling the game, so that's an acknowledgement in itself. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:09, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Ok, ok, thanks for letting me know. I will fix my reasoning. Rykitu

The best objective measure I could think of as to why Home Circuit still feels removed from the "main" Mario Kart games is probably based on the developer. All of the main Mario Kart games, plus Tour, are developed by Nintendo's in-house development teams, either Nintendo EAD or Nintendo EPD, with the exception of Super Circuit, which was developed by Intelligent Systems. However, according to their history on Wikipedia, they were founded as a "2nd-party" subsidiary of Nintendo, not unlike HAL Laboratory, so they are very much aligned with Nintendo's values/design philosophies. On the other end, we can clearly separate out the Arcade GP games which are fully developed by Bandai Namco. These take their own approach on the Mario Kart formula and so feel familiar yet removed from the usual, due to the arcade setting and the steering controls, for example. Finally, we have Home Circuit which is developed by Velan Studios, a New York-based studio that has some ties to Skylanders. Regardless, their approach to Mario Kart results in the physical toy-based, single-player-focused experience, which is again familiar yet removed from the usual Mario Kart experience. So I think the fairest way to separate the games out would be somewhat by developer, although I'm not sure exactly how to parse that on the page and whether anyone else agrees with this. MarioComix (talk) 01:22, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Nintendo has literally provided us a list of games they officially consider to be in the series. We have no reason to be coming to our own arbitrary conclusions about what makes a game mainline (developers, asset reuse, etc.) when we can just follow what Nintendo says. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 03:34, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Slight misunderstanding, it's not that I'm saying we should decide what is "mainline" based on a new criteria, but rather perhaps we should forego that distinguisher altogether by separating out by developer instead. The issue with Nintendo's Mario Portal list is that it has entire omissions, such as the Arcade GP games. Obviously, the Wiki shouldn't omit these games from the Mario Kart series page. These can be objectively separated out as "Arcade games", but the line to draw with Home Circuit becomes more arbitrary ("physical RC-based game"? "spin-off"? "related game"?). Anyhow, my comment is mainly to bring up food for thought. MarioComix (talk) 01:47, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

How is the exclusion of the arcade games an issue? I'm proposing to keep them in their own section like we currently do, to acknowledge that Nintendo officially excludes them from the series (which could already be inferred even without the Mario Portal list by the fact that they aren't counted in the numbered titles of Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:41, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

We're not really on the same page here. Your point is to include the games on the Mario Portal as the main series titles. Home Circuit and the Arcade GP games are omitted. Now, obviously, we'll keep them on the Mario Kart page, but they shouldn't be in the "main series" table. The Arcade GP games can be split off easily because they can be listed as "arcade games" or as "Arcade GP sub-series". For Home Circuit, how exactly should we split it off? Say it's a "physical RC-based game"? Say it's a "spin-off game"? (What constitutes a spin-off?) Say that it's not recognised as a main Mario Kart game by the Mario Portal? By the same token, Mario Portal doesn't call Home Circuit a "spin-off game" so we'd be arbitrarily classifying it as such, if we choose that route. So my whole point was to split the games by developer so that there's a more objective line to classify the games apart. At this point, I'm starting to agree that Home Circuit should probably stay separated out, but I'm just offering food for thought on ways to classify the games. (Although, since nobody else is chiming in, it seems no one else cares about this discussion point. So I think I'll just drop it from here.) MarioComix (talk) 19:55, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

...There seems to have been a misunderstanding. Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is listed as a game in the series on Mario Portal, and I am therefore proposing for us to follow suit by considering it a main game. Arbitrarily classifying it as an RC-based spin-off is the current situation, which is what I want to change. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 04:02, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

You're right, I seem to have misunderstood. Well I'm going to have look at this another time when my brain isn't as frazzled and figure out my stance on it then. But thanks for managing to clarify our misunderstanding. MarioComix (talk) 00:30, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

@Xiahou Ba: A high amount of asset reuse hasn't stopped Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels or Super Mario Maker 2 from being mainline Super Mario games. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 03:48, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

That's just part of my overall points, the game doesn't really feel like a next entry, but a disjointed one that plays disjointedly but plays similar to Mario Kart 8 in terms of presentation and looks, making it feel like a derivative of Mario Kart 8 than a sequel like the games you mentioned. It's like those weird Arcade Mario Party titles, the ones that are clearly based off like Mario Party 5 but aren't part of the main series. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 09:37, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Why should we be making subjective judgements about whether games "feel like" mainline games rather than trusting Nintendo's official stance? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:15, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

I will say, a company that wants to sell products has different incentives from those who are trying to relay compiled information about creative works. We are not bound by the same pressures as they are. While I personally feel comfortable accepting what Nintendo considers to be part of the Mario Kart series, it is not inherently wrong for us as a community to deviate from that. I think our goal here is to relay what the Super Mario franchise is, not strictly what Nintendo Co., Ltd. wants it to be understood to be. Those are not always the same thing. If we as a community have good, strong reasons to deviate from what they say, that should be fine as long as it is relayed to readers. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:06, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

I don't see any way in which ignoring Nintendo's own classification of the games they published would improve our ability to relay what the Super Mario franchise is. Which games make up a series isn't something we can objectively determine ourselves, so we either make subjective judgements about whether games "feel like" main entries or just use the answer Nintendo has supplied. I much prefer the latter option. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:27, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Out of curiosity, why wouldn't that be something we can determine ourselves? - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:53, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

I suppose it is to an extent, seeing as we're listing the arcade games on this page at all. But I assume we can all agree that some kind of distinction between "mainline" and "not mainline" games exists (I don't expect anyone would support putting every single game, arcade games and all, into the same list), and I don't see how there could be any objective way to determine which games are which without following Nintendo's word. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:44, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

It's weird how when I do a proposal I get hit with "it's what Nintendo considers therefore its silly to say otherwise" but now here we are on a proposal that's literally 50:50 even though one of the options is literally one Nintendo considers themselves - YoYo (Talk) 03:53, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock I find your argument quite redundant, saying it can't be grouped with the others because it can't have it's courses be retro makes no sense to me: that'd surely mean 8 shouldn't be grouped either right? And even then, the game's content is still extended into other games: it's vehicles and costumes appear in Tour, and it's music appears in World, so your logic seems rather flawed here. - YoYo (Talk) 04:05, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

When people say "8 can't be in retro courses", it means they have basically no faith in Nintendo to adapt them without anti-gravity mechanics whatsoever. Like, yeah, they could just refrain because they don't have anti-gravity, but having the lack of any of the many, many features of Double Dash hasn't stopped them from porting any of that game's tracks; in turn, it's reasonable to assume Nintendo could figure out something if they wanted to port over an 8 track. The absence of a game's central gimmicks does not, a "no retro courses from this game" make.
In stark contrast... How exactly do you do a retro course for Home Circuit? What, is Nintendo going to break into our home, do a study of our home's floor plan, and design a course over it? We guess theoretically, it could be a retro course based on the track themes that are in the game, but suffice it to say, we don't think people are thinking about World 1-1 when they talk about retro courses. Theoretically possible, but something tells us they'd be more willing to adapt an 8 track over the vague themed filters of Home Circuit. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 11:56, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

I think the point isn't that they'd be incapable of bringing back Mario Kart 8 tracks, just that they are yet to actually do so, meaning any discussion of whether they would is speculative. More importantly though, I don't see why retro courses should be the ultimate decider of how mainline a game is, especially considering other aspects of Home Circuit have already been directly referenced in not one but two other Mario Kart games. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:50, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

Well, I've just realised that we're actually dealing with conflicting official sources here, as according to Kosuke Yabuki, "Mario Kart World is the first new game in the series released on a home console since Mario Kart 8 Deluxe", implying that Home Circuit doesn't count. I still support including it with the other games due to the Mario Portal list and it being directly referenced in both Tour and World, but I suppose its status isn't as objective as I originally thought. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:47, May 23, 2025 (EDT)

How is Home Circuit referenced in Tour and World? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:27, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

In Tour there are two HC-related badges and in World HC theme being in the soundtrack. Piotrek1113 (talk) 19:59, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

Plus a couple of Luigi's outfits in Tour are directly taken from Home Circuit. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:07, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

Actually, looking at the original Japanese text for the interview, nowhere does Mr. Yabuki specifically mention that World is the newest home console game in the series. What he actually says is more along the lines of, "Mario Kart World is the newest installment of the series since the release of the previous installment, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, around 8 years ago." Now, either the context of "home console installments" is being implied (which is often the case in Japanese language, there's a lot of implied meanings based on context), or Tour and Home Circuit are being excluded from the main series, or Mr. Yabuki is speaking from the perspective of his personal Mario Kart projects. That is, the last Mario Kart he packaged up was 8 Deluxe before working on World, while Tour was "on the side" as an ongoing-development game (and culminated in the Booster Course Pass), and meanwhile Home Circuit was developed outside of Japan entirely. So I don't think the interview quite strikes Home Circuit from the main series since there's the matter of Yabuki's perspective to take into account. MarioComix (talk) 04:32, May 27, 2025 (EDT)

Good points. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 07:00, May 27, 2025 (EDT)

@Kirbeat: The "major games" wording was used on the page when I started this proposal (over a month ago lol), I wanted it to be changed to "main games" and that happened after the Mario Kart Tour part of the proposal passed. You're right that Mario Portal doesn't explicitly call Home Circuit a "main game", but it doesn't give it any separation from the other Mario Kart games. I personally think that the point of the wiki's "main games" classification should be to include all games that Nintendo considers to be in the series, so that we can separate the arcade games (since they're never acknowledged by Nintendo as being in the series at all). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:39, June 24, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah but I think that the decision is carried a bit too much by that website. I guess that the whole "mainline Super Mario games" topic already showed that a website listing should be taken with a grain of salt, and while it is an official word from Nintendo, other people above mentioned the counter argument that some developers excluded Home Circuit as a mainline entry in interviews. Yes, the game is referenced more than once in World, but so are other games in the franchise. The game's placement in the Mario Portal just seems to me that the people who constructed the website just didn't put any kind of separation of what is mainline or not, so I don't think that "them being grouped together" there is equal to "they are all of the same level of importance". And yeah the fact that Home Circuit is included at all unlike the GP games places it at a higher level of importance than them, but from there to counting it as equal as World or the others seems like an stretch to me. I think that the game should only be counted officially in this article if it is actively grouped together with the rest of the series, and if it has little to none counter arguments. But of course, that is my interpretation and I am not really aware if there is some sort of policy in the wiki about this, and if so I don't know either if my interpretation fits with it or not. So I guess that the primarily discussion here is what kind of, or how many kinds of official sources should a game have in its favour to its position, according to the wiki's policies or something like that if you get me. Kirbeat (talk) 18:23, June 24, 2025 (EDT)

Move to "Mario Kart"

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Wednesday, September 24, 2025, 01:32 GMT

I don't see any reason why there should be the "(series)" identifier for this page's title. The only other article simply titled "MarioKart" (not counting the identifier) is a microgame in the game WarioWare: D.I.Y. Showcase, so it should have the priority as it is clearly the more likely one to be linked to or searched per MarioWiki:Naming.

Proposer: Brett (talk)
Deadline: October 4, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Move to "Mario Kart"

1. Brett (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: Keep the same title

1. Camwoodstock (talk) See our vote on the WarioWare (series) proposal. There's no real benefit aside from it being "faster" to type [[Mario Kart]] over [[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]... and even then, you could just type [[Mario Kart (series)|]], and, thanks to the pipe trick, it'll do the hard part for you. We shouldn't be making arbitrary changes where the only "benefit" is editors are allowed to be slightly more lazy, especially when you can already accomplish the exact same thing, right now, and relatively easily at that. (This is why {{a}} died, and we're glad it died.)
2. Sorbetti (talk) Again. What is the benefit of this change? What is wrong with the current page?
3. The Dab Master (talk) Most article titles will probably remain unchanged anyways. Per all.
4. Altendo (talk) As a supporter of the previous proposal about this, I believe that it would only work if it is either all or nothing.
5. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
6. Reese Rivers (talk) Per all.
7. SComic (talk) Seems it would cause a lot of inconsistency for not a lot of benefits.
8. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

Comments (Move to "Mario Kart")

It's currently policy that every series page needs a "(series)" identifier even if it doesn't share its name with any other subject. I agree that this is weird and should be changed, but I think it should be done all at once rather than one by one in separate proposals for each series. We did have a previous proposal that tried to do this, but it ended in a tie. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:20, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock Unrelated, but what's this "pipe trick" you're talking about? The Dab Master (talk) 15:03, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

If you type "[[Mario Kart (series)|]]" and save the edit, it will give you Mario Kart (if it weren't for this trick, you'd need to type "Mario Kart" twice for the same result). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:47, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

More info on the pipe trick can be found here. It's been part of the MediaWiki software since, like, day one. rend (talk) (edits) 16:48, September 20, 2025 (EDT)