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Mega Mole.pngEpisode I: The Phantom Mole-nace
(1-160) (July 2017-January 2018)
The story of how a decade-long lurker finally joined for the sole reason of fixing a glaring mistake on Bald Cleft's page. And then they yell about classification on mole-ish creatures on a few occasions.

Last Warning[edit]

This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki.
If this last warning was not issued by an administrator and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.

No, this is the last straw. Learn to play nice with other people. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:59, 19 January 2018 (EST)

What? I was just saying "This is the obvious choice as to what to do, per literally every deletion of character article ever" (a la Arcade Bunny and several more before that). That wasn't a personal attack on anyone, as I don't think anyone did anything to actually go about truly deleting the article itself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (EST)
You don't tell someone that "anyone with a human brain" would have thought of what they suggested. It's disrespectful, no matter how you slice it. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)
It's hard to act "nice" when your Dad's right outside your room and has been whistling like a train for the past five minutes. It's infuriating, even. And might cause one to lose judgement completely outside their control. And I don't think saying someone is "human" as opposed to "monster" is insulting them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (EST) confused as to why I am getting a warning for basically saying "you aren't a sociopath"...? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:11, 19 January 2018 (EST)
Doc, saying that someone's idea is something that "anyone with a human brain" could have thought of is insulting. You don't get to take out your frustrations on others no matter the reason, and you don't get off scot-free just because your insulting term wasn't as insulting as it could have been. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:12, 19 January 2018 (EST)
It wasn't an insulting term, it was me saying he was a good person and not having unnatural crazy ideas. Again, a bit of judgement impairment led to odd wording. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2018 (EST)
Though I am honestly a bit curious as to whether this is a valid warning or if you're just angry that your recent proposal was vetoed after nearly sorta-succeeding. I was the first person to adamantly oppose it, after all....but, yeah, what I was saying is that his idea wasn't deranged or unreasonable, but perfectly human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2018 (EST)
This doesn't have anything to do with his proposal failing. If he didn't give you the last warning, someone else would have instead, such as myself, who didn't like your comment either. I don't really want to drag this out any further but let's just say that I don't like the implications of "anyone with a human brain could figure it out" sends. The tone is very condescending, because although you didn't outright say it, you're pretty much saying that the editor doesn't have a brain and therefore didn't have the foresight to see why it's not a redirect. You could have very well done without the extra comment and get the meaning of what you're trying to say across. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 22:52, 19 January 2018 (EST)
Oh wow when you put it in that light it does sound bad. Jeeze. I was just trying to say it was humane and sane.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2018 (EST)
That's because that's how I saw that comment was. Whatever your intention was was lost in translation due to bad wording. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 22:53, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Wording is hard when your ears have been assaulted by nearby deliberately-obnoxious whistling for the past several minutes. Sorry. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:54, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Can i Jump in? LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 22:07, 6 March 2018 (EST)

Flowers SUCK![edit]

Hey, come on, Doc! Why did you delete that? Luigi's not acting like a hero, he IS a hero, dang it! Give the man in green some respect, Mario fanboy. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:31, 20 January 2018 (EST)

But what is a pushing and why is it approaching the shove? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:32, 20 January 2018 (EST)
Are you telling me you don't know the phrase "when push comes to shove"?! Come ON now, everyone should know it! Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:35, 20 January 2018 (EST)
I've heard it, but only like 3 times before in my life. Also only fanboy/girling here is over Pakkun of Pettiness and the Iggster. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2018 (EST)
Fine, I'll tell you--it means when things come to the make it or break it point, when you either do it or you don't. Is that gonna help you? I thought you were a doctor, you should KNOW this stuff! And also, regarding the last warning you got above, don't become like I did. I'm being dead serious with that statement. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2018 (EST)
What happened was a statement I made was misinterpreted. Also, as I've said, I do not actually have a PhD. And yeah, I knew what it meant, it's just far to colloquial (and a tad obscure) to use here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2018 (EST)
Statements get misinterpreted all the time, and there are always times when we're angry. You know what that got me? Two blocks. Self-control, man. I know you don't intend to be impolite, but just be more careful with what you say. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2018 (EST)
I wasn't even really angry, just distracted by a repetitive noise. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 20 January 2018 (EST)
Anyways, there's probably no point in trying to appeal it, when it's put in that negative nancy light they demonstrated, it really does look bad... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Wario Land level articles[edit]

Yes, I own the game. I do intend to make a start on the levels that haven't been covered yet myself; I just wanted to get the first two worlds out of the way first. If I don't have the time to work on the rest, though, I'll let you know. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 06:15, 21 January 2018 (EST)

RE:Mansion Door[edit]

Thanks, that's a good idea, but I think I'll contact Mario jc as well, since he's a little more knowledgeable. PS: No, I'm creating articles on the Scraps because they're technically key items, and technically used as such. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:52, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Yes, and though I haven't played it, I know how it works, too. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:59, 22 January 2018 (EST)
The policy. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 00:02, 23 January 2018 (EST)

Edit conflicts FOR THE WIN![edit]

Hey, it happens all the dang time to everyone, and I am no exception. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:53, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Well, whatever does the hat trick. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2018 (EST)
I'm not speaking in obscure 1950s slang, and even if I am, the 1950s were actually good. A hat trick is an event in which a player scores three goals in a hockey game or hits three home runs in a baseball game. Learn your sports terms, doctor. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:07, 23 January 2018 (EST)
And do you know where I was brought up and raised for almost my whole life?! ST LOUIS! I'm an absolutely HUGE die-hard fan of the St Louis Cardinals, and baseball in general. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Heavily-Recurring Music[edit]

I actually thought of proposing something like that on the Mario Boards for a while (but never got to it), except it's just the Ground Theme with the history behind it (I remember there's an article somewhere where Koji Kondo discusses the music of SMB) and its many appearances in the franchise. I'd be on board with articles for other recurring songs; personally I'd prefer they mention some history behind their composition, rather than simply be a list of games they appear in with descriptions of the variations. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 00:32, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Yeah, that's what I meant. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 00:50, 26 January 2018 (EST)
The structure and flow. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 01:14, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Choco Mountain[edit]

Those dumb rocks are always a pain and they can knock you off all the time. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Bowser's Minions[edit]

No, it's not, are you kidding me? The Invincishroom was NEVER an Invincibility Mushroom in the first place! It is NOT a new story! It's an untold one, and there are just too many connections to dispute that. Where is the retconning? The Koopalings are still fought in the game, so you can't pick that. The thing is, the Toads never got an Invinibility Mushroom in the first place, they got a poison mushroom in the original game. Again, I don't see any retconning. It's an untold story, end of story. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Maybe, but when push comes to shove, there are too many connections and tie-ins between the two stories for this one to be new. I am not buying it. As for the Koopalings, they probably arrive at the castle and after getting back with the squad, Mario and Luigi arrive and they fight the bros. Also, I know what I'm doing. As for Dr. Toadley, it's nothing too big. Nintendo is probably trying to get with the times, and number one, they explicitly said the story was an untold adventure, so I'm going with it. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2018 (EST)
Also, let's make this clear: Nintendo never confirmed in the original game that Bowser got his amnesia by crashing into the mountain. It was only implied. In fact, it is the original story that has enough holes in it that the untold story justifies, and that's where the connections come in. The story is expanded, not retconned. I just do not buy the theory that the untold story is "new", when it has been in the making for years, if not by the developers themselves, then by the game itself. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:00, 28 January 2018 (EST)
Anyway, sorry if I got on a hard edge there. I just have an intense distaste for the theory that the untold story is new and an add-on. Ever since the original game, the story of what happened to Bowser has been a mystery that many people have been wondering about for years...until the remake. And I think the remake does an excellent job presenting the untold adventure and tying it in and connecting it with the original Mario Bros story and removing most of the continuity holes, so when someone says that the untold story, in essence, wasn't a thing, makes me angry. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2018 (EST)
And the game expanded on him and made him into one of the major contributors of the whole story of Superstar Saga. That is the point I am trying to make. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:45, 28 January 2018 (EST)
An expansion is not a revision. An expansion expands on something and gives it more information, while a revision downright changes the thing. I don't see Superstar Saga being changed that much to be that different than the original version. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2018 (EST)
There are different things in the remake, but it's not enough to make it a revision. It looks more like it was expanded upon. It's the Mario 64 DS to the original's Mario 64. After all, it is called an enhanced remake. I just don't see the retconning. I know like I sound blind, but I'm serious, there's just not enough difference. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2018 (EST)
I'm not defining "revision" wrong, I'm just saying there is not enough of a difference to call it a retcon or a significant revision. Also, the Mario 64 DS and Mario 64 comparison makes sense because the two are often paired up together when they are talked about, and Mario 64 DS expanded on some things from Mario 64, just like Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions expanded on some things from Superstar Saga. The two games have generally the same story, so to call one of them "new" is wrong and betrays the continuity--in fact, calling it new itself can cause its own continuity holes. And in fact, if you yourself called Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions an updated re-release of the original Superstar Saga, then how is there a new story? It sounds like more like an untold story to me. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:07, 29 January 2018 (EST)
It is not a retcon. In fact, there are not enough changes to even make this a retcon. Just because there were no Mechawfuls in the original does not make the game a retcon on its own, and even then, it is only Captain Goomba and his squad that faces them. They were made for the untold adventure, and their role in the plot is such that it does not really change the story of the game much. And when all is said and done, the two stories are too closely tied and connected with each other that it sounds more like the untold story really is the untold adventure after all. I think Nintendo was deliberately somewhat ambiguous with the story of the original game when it came to these moments so it could make the untold story an untold story. A retcon has to be a significant revision, which is something that the untold story lacks. And plus, what do you think betraying the continuity means? And no, Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS are not even close to being totally different games in terms of story--in fact, they are too similar in terms of story. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2018 (EST)
Those are not even significant enough to BE retconning. They are just minor changes that do not have much of an impact on the story to throw it off track into something different. In fact, they do the opposite at times--they expand the story. To be honest, I think Yoshi's roles in Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS are reconcilable because he's on the roof in both games. A retcon is a significant revision, and we don't have that here. The stories are not being thrown off track or reimagined, they are being expanded and somewhat retold. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:42, 29 January 2018 (EST)
The two of them standing on the ground has nothing to do with their stories. Yoshi being on the roof in Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:47, 29 January 2018 (EST)
I still think that the story is an expanded and enhanced telling and not a retcon, and therefore, we have the case of an untold adventure. But whatever, I don't think this is gonna do anything. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:43, 29 January 2018 (EST)

Smiley Face Coins[edit]

Just here to show you that the coins dropped by Lakitu's Cloud are in fact Smiley Face Coins.

Here's a video I found showcasing what each of the berries do. If you pause around the time stamp that I've set it to, you'll see that the coins are actually Smiley Faces.
I would've used spriter's resource, but I couldn't find those coins on any of the sprite sheets. Shy Guy on WheelsSGoW sig.png(T|C|S) 14:11, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Wario's accent[edit]

No, it is not! I swear it sounds just like Mario's and Luigi's accents. He has GOT to be Italian. You have played the games, right? Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Yes, and in 64 DS it has a particular guttural buzz to it typically associated with Russian voices, like Vitaly from Madagascar 3 or Rasputin in Anastasia. Along with the way he annunciates his "r"s. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)
That's just one game. And plus, it's not significant enough. Let's face it, all the evidence points to him being of Italian heritage, just like Mario and Luigi. I don't care about Thomas Spindler right now, because he does not factor into this discussion. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:47, 30 January 2018 (EST)
64 DS uses the exact same voice as MK8, from the sound of it. In fact, pretty sure some of the yelling soundbytes are recycled. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2018 (EST)
What does that mean, then? I still think that Wario is Italian. Just look at the article! It literally says he is of Italian heritage. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2018 (EST)
Because you put that in there. It doesn't matter what you "think." What matters is the cold hard facts, and the fact is, we don't know his heritage. Heck, he might not even have a heritage, he came from a stork. The few times even a hint of an Italian accent shows up is when he's saying lines clearly intended to mock Mario's, ie "It's-a me, Wario!" Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2018 (EST)
I did not put that in there, that was in the article in the first place! You're missing the point, aren't you? It was in the article in the first place! And plus, Mario and Luigi came from storks as well, so they don't have a heritage, according to your logic. Wario himself has many Italian traits, so if anything, he is of Italian heritage, just like Mario and Luigi. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And he very well may not. Saying Wario definitively is, however, is ungrounded, as the evidence you've provided is tenuous at best. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2018 (EST)
But Mario and Luigi came from storks as well! Are you saying that they possibly do not have Italian heritage? That is what your logic is saying. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Yes, that is what I am saying. However they, at the very least, have some official backing to being of Italian heritage, though this is a tad muddled. But since Wario is just a gross imitator of Mario, there's not much pointing to him actually being of Italian heritage instead of just imitating it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And it is because he is a gross imitator of Mario that gives him every reason to be of Italian heritage. Remember, this is Mario's arch-rival and possibly cousin, and they have known each other for years. Why would he not be Italian? He doesn't seem to be copying or imitating Mario--he sure sounds like the real thing. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:36, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And that's your opinion. However, it makes it more likely that he isn't Italian if, in his insulting imitations, he exaggerated the Italian-ness to them. Why would he mock his own heritage to annoy someone else? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And he doesn't have to insult Mario by imitating him like that. Sure, he might be trying to catch up to Mario and put him down, but there is no way he does not have a natural Italian accent because no one in the Mario franchise is able to imitate or even sound like an Italian unless he is one, and that is what Wario has to be. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:47, 31 January 2018 (EST)
No one can unless they are? [citation needed] Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Just play the games and you'll know. I have played a lot of games and I have never seen anyone else speak, much less imitate that Italian accent of Mario, Luigi, and Wario. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:43, 31 January 2018 (EST)
That means they don't, not that they can't. Besides, Wario is the most vocal antithesis Mario has. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And how do you know they can or can't? Wario is the only one I am sure of because he has so many Italian traits. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Typically it's safe to assume that if something is outright easy to do in the real world, in the land where gas can be used to outright steal voices and replace them with exploding symbols, it should probably also be pretty easy. Superstar Saga also had Luigi apparently putting on an adequate Princess Peach voice impression, after all. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Wario edit[edit]

Oops, sorry about that. What I meant to say is that it's one source anyway, so we can still say that this is unconfirmed by other sources. We aren't confirming anything ourselves, so it's not speculation. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2018 (EST)

It's unconfirmed to have been said by Nintendo Power, particularly as that was added by an untrustworthy person. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:36, 31 January 2018 (EST)
No, it said it was unconfirmed by other sources. That means Nintendo Power has stated it before but other sources have not. And also, I don't completely buy Alex's claim that the user who added that was an untrustworthy person. That edit was on there for years, so it has to have been made by someone trustworthy. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2018 (EST)
It's very possible the edit has been there due to the lack of oversight rather than if the claim is actually verified. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 20:44, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Lack of oversight? There have been TONS of edits on that Wario article, so I don't think lack of oversight would be an issue on that article. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
It's a large article though. A few months ago, I went to the Koopa Troopa article and did an overview of it, and managed to find some instances of "Koopa's" being used as the plural, even though those were being zapped away back in 2007. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Yeah, that still doesn't give any credence to the source. One time, Baby Luigi's article had something about him liking milk and bubbles and it stayed on there for quite a while until I removed it. What you're asserting means nothing. An unsourced claim is an unsourced claim, no matter how long it stayed on the article. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 20:51, 31 January 2018 (EST)
It also had 14 detailed paragraphs over the plot of one game. In a character article. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:52, 31 January 2018 (EST)
And it gets that large precisely because there is so much oversight on them. Now, I guess you have a point with the "Koopa's" debacle, but my point still stands. As for Baby Luigi, there is still a source. You can talk all you want about the citation-needed tag, but I will just spill the beans on the fact that he literally just said Nintendo Power was the one who stated it. That's enough sourcing you need, and you don't even need a citation-needed tag to do it. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2018 (EST)
I can say Nintendo Power said that Waluigi loves eating electric eels, but that doesn't mean that they actually did. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:55, 31 January 2018 (EST)
That whole 14 detailed paragraphs thing is what happens when you're fanatically obsessed with a character and you want to keep his article featured at all costs. Also, yes, you NEED a citation for information like this, Lcrossmk8, it's to prevent schmucks from making up information as they edit pages. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 20:57, 31 January 2018 (EST)
He would not have put that thing in there unless he was sure that it was the case. He probably must have read it in a Nintendo Power magazine or something. Anyway, thanks for edit-conflicting me again. That's very nice of you. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Or he could have made it up, or misremembered something they or someone else said. It's a dubious claim, and we've had many occasions where things that were accepted as fact without a citation proved to be wrong, like Kaptain K. Rool being King K. Rool's brother in Japan. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2018 (EST)
You do realize that no one edit conflicts on purpose, right? Stop being so rude with the sarcastic remarks about someone edit-conflicting your posts. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 21:02, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Well, I guess the system isn't perfect after all. But I still don't buy Alex's claim that the guy was a magnet for trouble. And if I find a source proving my claim, would you accept it as fact? I don't know, I have a gut instinct it might be true. After all, why do you think they have known each other for so long? There has got to be a reason. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2018 (EST)
@Baby Luigi--Hey, I was being light-hearted. I didn't mean to insult anyone on purpose. I know it happens by chance. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2018 (EST)
Yoshi's Island DS, mayhaps? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2018 (EST)
@Lcrossmk8 I didn't see it as a light-hearted remark. The "thanks for conflicting me again, that's very nice of you" I read as sarcastic, condescending, and overall just very rude for something that always happens because of sheer coincidence rather than any malicious intent, and it's also something that can't be helped. It's difficult to see what your tone is online without any sort of vocal indicator of what you're trying to convey. And as I said in my talk page, if you found a verifiable source for that claim, you're free to add it back. As of now, it stays of Wario's page. End of the story. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 21:11, 31 January 2018 (EST)
That sucks, doesn't it? I guess it's the trolls. They always have to come in and ruin the fun. But whatever, end of the story. Let's just hope it doesn't get retconned by a remake. :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Just want to say this is the edit that added it in in the first place. The user's talk page only consists of a reminder and a warning (I suppose I made it out worse than it actually is) and is no longer active, so we can't ask where they got their information. Additionally, there is a userbox on their page that reads "This user thinks Waluigi is Wario's younger brother, and Mario and Luigi's cousin.", so the information is reading out to be fan subjective and used Nintendo Power as a way to back themselves up. Asking around and looking at various sites, I found nothing confirming Wario's relation to Mario of any kind. There was one instance where someone claimed the first Mario vs Wario comic said that, but reading it over there was nothing.

Regarding Wario's Italian heritage, as I was looking through the page's history to find the above edit, I noticed the information was removed on several occasions because it is not confirmed. Basically, both of these edits are based on unsourced claims. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 22:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)

I see. Well, I hope Lcross finds happiness somewhere else now that he's gone for good this time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Vandal[edit]

I'm not completely sure how it works, but a username tends to disappear on "who's online" about 15 minutes after being blocked or staying idle as a registered user. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 03:50, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Yeah, having looked at the only undeleted revision thus far, I don't see their username anymore on the WhosOnline page. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 06:04, 1 February 2018 (EST)

RE: Transparency[edit]

I remember you telling me that, but I wanted to remind him about the JPG-PNG conversion anyway. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 22:02, 4 February 2018 (EST)


I see what you mean. Thanks for letting me know, it probably isn't worth mentioning the non-Mario-related history of each series.--Megatron (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2018 (EST)

I see. Again, thanks for letting me know!--Megatron (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2018 (EST)


To me, I don't think it's worth noting because I couldn't fit it in the edit summary: most of the explicitly male, named Goombas are in Paper Mario in the first place, which this triva tries to ignore. Most Goombas you encounter in the main Mario series don't even have a gender much less a character going for them, most are ambigious. Goombette is probably one of the only times a Mario platformer game even has a named Goomba character. The only other "character" is Mega Goomba and even that one isn't even "named". BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 16:28, 10 February 2018 (EST)

And many bios have the Goombas as a species left ambiguous and pluralized as "stomp on these bad guys to defeat them". Because of the ambiguity for both genders of Goombas, I really don't think having a definitive statement to be made about this character being the only explicitly female character is wise. I do think it's notable that she's one of the only "named" Goomba characters who originated from a Mario platformer game, though. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C)

Re:DK gif[edit]

That might possibly be an error with the UV tiling that BrawlBox displays. Mario Kart Wii's textures rely on mirrored tiling while the default setting for BrawlBox is regular tiling. It's probably one of the reasons I never uploaded an animated gif of Baby Peach's idle animation in the character select screen, because the display is very glitched, even with edits. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 18:54, 12 February 2018 (EST)

RE: "Nothing has been brought up since the last proposal"[edit]

That alone isn't a precedent; I've justified my oppose vote to explain why. Also, LinkTheLefty himself opposed the first attempt to bring this up for the very same reasons I am opposing. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:08, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Did you even read my comment in the Comments section? MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:16, 14 February 2018 (EST)
A ton of what information? I was sort of expecting information, like, someone from Nintendo confirming the relationship between the two moles or the like. Simply relying on technical information is not enough. To quote what LinkTheLefty said in the original proposal:
"Even if the names changed in both English and Japanese, take a look at just about any of the "big" enemy articles - nomenclature has irrevocably changed over time depending on debut even across regions, yet they're considered the same subject, so naming isn't necessarily the defining indicator. Take Big Goomba, for instance - it's been under several names in past appearances and gained different behaviors (in the New Super Mario Bros. series and all styles of Super Mario Maker, they notably split into two Goombas when stomped). Having enemies that were clearly differentiated by size under one umbrella makes it far easier to keep track of these things."

MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:26, 14 February 2018 (EST)

How does that answer anything? Neither Big Bullet Bill nor Tub-O-Troopa are generic subjects, plus Banzai Bills and Colossal Koopa Paratroopas appear in many games. We're dealing with a scenario where the "enemy" has only ever appeared in three games. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 23:53, 14 February 2018 (EST)
You know there's nothing official on whether they're different, either, right? (Other than Japanese naming and extracted data, of course.) MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 00:04, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Re: "8-Bit" Images[edit]

I have further evidence beyond the prima guide that proves it's 8-Bit style and we should be using the word 8-Bit instead of 2D or pixel. The music tracks in the game have 8-Bit variants, labeled as such, that play when you go into the respective 8-Bit area. If you have a problem with this, sorry but a proposal won't cut it now.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 23:34, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Super Mario[edit]

When I had the move in mind, I thought of Mario products that are sold in shelves. Most of these are tagged with simply "Super Mario", so I assume because of the merchandising, that's the term people are going to be more familiar with. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 00:01, 16 February 2018 (EST)

Re:Bomb Car[edit]

I could attempt to find a file that stores text information for the tournaments, see if it's listed in that particular file. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 21:16, 17 February 2018 (EST)

Well I can't find it. I did attempt to look into the Event_U.szs file, which *should* store tournament related data, but all I got was Common.bmg and Menu.bmg, which is the exact same damn .bmg across like 50,000 files. The descriptions are probably stored somewhere else but I don't really feel like going on a scavenger hunt to find it. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 21:39, 17 February 2018 (EST)

Aw you're banned[edit]

I liked having contentious conversations with you, even if things got a little heated. Adds a bit of spice to this place, ya know? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 21:33, 20 February 2018 (EST)

Welcome Back.[edit]

Good To See You Back Doc. :) LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2018 (EST)

Good to be back :) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Speaking Of Back i Just Got Back after My Uncle's Funeral. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 00:33, 8 March 2018 (EST)
You have my condolences, then. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:38, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Hey welcome back![edit]

How are things? Other than making nice sprites, that is! BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:07, 6 March 2018 (EST)

I did took the Sluggy sprite from the Yoshi's Island lib on MFGG, though, so the sprite in theory should be correct. Are you referring to Salvo the Slime instead, perhaps? I can't find that sprite in the lib, it's probably best to go for a screen capture instead, but I don't have an SNES emulator nor the ROM to take snaps of...I'll go take a look if Marching Milde is in the lib, but weirdly enough, that lib has claimed to have everything yet I swear it's missing the Blindfold Boo, I've went around three times in it trying to find it, and no luck. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:19, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Oh, I thought you were referring to The Unshaven. My bad. I definitely saw this guy's sprite on the lib, so I'll grab it soon. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:33, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Hey I did got the Big Boo from the Shy Guy Kingdom like usual, but all rips I found had Big Boo with the skinnier lines. I did got a new sprite for Sluggy. As for Marching Milde and Salvo, they're not in any rips iirc so we have to get a screen capture of them. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Re:Podoboo Cog[edit]

Go ahead and reword it if you like. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 22:06, 7 March 2018 (EST)

Thorny Flower[edit]

I don't recall seeing two different versions of Thorny Flower in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2. Refresh my memory, if you can, so that way you can prevent File:SMG Thorny Flower.png from being a superior replacement to File:SMG Big Thorny Flower.png. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 00:17, 9 March 2018 (EST)

I guess the next step is to have Mario stand next to one of these two variations at Good Egg Galaxy and Dusty Dune Galaxy. I suggest taking a screenshot having Mario next to one of them. Does that sound like an OK idea to you? It would help the articles out immensely. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 01:51, 9 March 2018 (EST)
Mini Wanwans I don't think are necessary because the biggest clue is their high-pitched bark compared to bigger Chomps. Also their sizes are highly contrastable. The thorny flowers are harder to spot the difference. The flying variety are found in Gusty Garden Galaxy. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 11:10, 9 March 2018 (EST)
Then what do we call these since there are three different sizes now? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 18:42, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Plurals on Enemies[edit]

Are plurals on enemy names in the game article needed or not? -ro__money

And I agree, the bolding seems unnecesary. - ro__money

Lightning (move)[edit]

Before you end up getting in an edit war, I want to point you to this proposal that decided on what to do with the move. Feel free to read over it. It was decided to leave it and the Mario Kart lightning item separate, so the trivia should be left off the page. I'll tell this to Owencrazyboy9 (talk)'s page as well. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:24, 15 March 2018 (EDT)

Lightning that shrinks characters isn't only in Mario Kart. The Lightning page also shows it does the same thing in some sports series. While, yes, the shrinking Lightning from Mario Kart may be the most familiar and Minion Quest's command could be based on it, everything else about the Lightning in Minion Quest is different, from the icon to the stats reduced. Doesn't quite make sense to me to compare it to Mario Kart. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:18, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
I'm not finding anything outside of Mario. Most games that use lightning-based powers, such as Pokemon, mainly focus on paralysis or slowing the opponent down. Shrinking seems to be unique to Mario and originated in Mario Kart, but saying the move is a reference to the item seems like a stretch when nothing else is comparable. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:25, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
idk, unless there's something in the game or a developer's conversation or something saying the command was based on Mario Kart's Lightning, I honestly can't say for certain that it is. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:43, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
Whelp Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 20:50, 15 March 2018 (EDT)


Really, there's no "good" name for it. The original manual describes it thus:

Saving Your Game in the Middle of a Stage
There is a save point hidden in the middle of each stage in the form of a skull. If you find the skull, use a 10 Gold Coin to activate it and save your game in the Game Pak's battery backed memory.

As you can see, it's not even a proper noun, but it's the only description it's given. - Reboot (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2018 (EDT)


How about, say, Killer (or, as you might call it, Kirā)? It would look silly to insert a whole "officially romanized as Killer" blurb when it already has a straightforward meaning. True, Indy isn't an English word, but it is an actual name like those examples (and Catherine is a species). There's no reason why we shouldn't default to the in-game romanization, especially since this approach leaves any speculation about it apparently having "no specific meaning" out of it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

It's fluff unless we can gather a valid alternative explanation for the meaning. Regardless, Indy is a real name that's been used consistently in-game and in Japanese Super Mario World merchandise, so the easiest and simplest explanation is that the Indy spelling is a transliteration of that given name. Besides, even if it's obviously more common for individual characters, we've seen enemies go under ordinary names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:45, 22 March 2018 (EDT)