Talk:Mario Golf (series)

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"If your game sucks baldy"? come on, Elite Yoshi. SaltyTalk! 03:32, 2 Apr 2006 (EDT)

  • I did a small cleanup on the article; however, I'm too lazy to get a picture. :P Evan

Did I change that too much?[edit]

Anywho... the article now covers the entire series. I did this because there are two games in the series called Mario Golf. It's sort of like a very glorified disambiguation page now :). What do you guys think? I'm pretty sure that the old article's info is still in there.

You did a fine job, but, I stress that you use two equal signs inbetween headers, not one. Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 23:32, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Right. I'll try to remember. :) by the way, what's the single equal sign for, then? Stumpers

The = creates a header the same size as the page title itself (in this article, as big as Mario Golf). Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 10:38, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Thx. Still don't know what you'd ever want to use it for, but it's good to have :)! o.0
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stumpers (talk).

Dont deleat![edit]

Dont deleat the "for a list of charecter quotes see List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series " It needs to be there so that List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series has links leading to I'm not saying dont edit it I'm just saying leave the link. Dark boo Dark Boo, an enemy from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.

Unlockable Mario[edit]

Mario Golf (N64) is the only game I know of where Mario is unlockable. I think we should point that out in the article. Why Bother (talk)

Move Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) to Mario Golf 64[edit]

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leave as it is 1-10
The same as Mario Tennis for the Nintendo 64. It would be better so we don't get confused with the others in the series.

Proposer: Tails777 (talk)
Deadline: November 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Move to Mario Golf 64[edit]

  1. Tails777 (talk) Per me

Leave as it is[edit]

  1. Bop1996 (talk) Per my reasoning on the Mario Tennis proposal.
  2. MeritC (talk) And I'll say it here too - no, no, no, no, no... and a THOUSAND times no. The title for this article is fine enough. Don't change it.
  3. Mario & Luigi (talk) The article is fine now...
  4. M&SG (talk) - Mario Golf 64 is not the official name of that game.
  5. RandomYoshi (talk) - Per M&SG.
  6. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all.
  7. Walkazo (talk) - We use official names for our articles, and that would be "Mario Golf", not "Mario Golf 64".
  8. Magikrazy51 (talk) And that's why we have disambiguation pages. And it's not like they're all called Mario Golf (that would be stupid of Nintendo). Per all.
  9. Propeller Toad (talk) It might be nice; however, note that Mario Golf 64 is not the official name for this game. Mario Golf is, so therefore we must keep the name as it is.
  10. Toad85 (talk) See my reply in the Mario Tennis proposal.

Comments[edit]

This proposal had the same problem as the other one did; the mainland United States would have the deadline on October 31, but GMT has it at November 1. Bop1996 (Talk)

Golf as the initial Mario Golf game?[edit]

OK I'm a bit doubtful whether Golf is the intial Mario Golf game, and I don't think it is the case, because of the following points: the first, Golf was part of a series of Sport games released for the Famicom which also included games like Baseball, Soccer (Football), Ice Hockey, Tennis, etc., other wise Tennis or Soccer (Football) would been the first game in the Mario Tennis and Maro Strikers seies (well Mario isn't in the latter but is a referi in Tennis). Second, these game in their original Japanese releases didn't use Mario to sell (even if he appeared in a cameo like the former Tennis), something NOA did, who exploited Mario's image to make in boxarts and manuals to make this games commercial in the western. Third, as such, the golfer in the original game is not Mario but someone called Ossan (middle age man), you are considering this a game of the Mario Golf series just because NOA affirmed the golfer is Mario but in Japan it isn't, then we enter in a conflict here (Ossan's appearance is also verificated on Captain Rainbow). NES Open Tournament Golf has more potencial being the first, or the precursor, game in the Mario Golf series because it is clear Mario is in the game.

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Considering NES Open Tournament Golf a "predecessor"[edit]

While I concede that Golf and probably by extension Family Computer Golf are fairly predecessorial(?), NES Open Tournament Golf was called Mario Open Golf in Japan and introducd the use of original humans who follow the Mario aesthetic, along with the more comprehensive gameplay regarding clubs. Sure, it was before Camelot, the Nintendo 64 game seems more like a logical progression of its ideas in the same way Toadstool Tour is to the N64 game. I think NES Open Tournament Golf should be considered the first game in the actual series, since before that is a little hazy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:06, October 30, 2019 (EDT)

It's kind of the same reason why Mario's Tennis is an indirect predecessor to the Mario Tennis series: the developer involved. The Mario Tennis and Mario Golf series are "direct" in the sense that they are all developed by Camelot. Similarly, the direct Mario Kart games are those developed in-house by Nintendo EAD, not by Bandai Namco (for the arcade games). This is how I understand it. MarioComix (talk) 18:27, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
Devs change sometimes tho Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:49, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm with Doc, a series isn't solely defined by its developers, Mario Party is another good example. That being said, a Mario golf game doesn't necessarily make a Mario Golf game. I'm unsure how to proceed here. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:04, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
"a Mario golf game doesn't necessarily make a Mario Golf game" That's exactly what I've been saying about Mario's Tennis. RickTommy (talk) 19:25, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
Golf and Famicom Golf were just golf games that happened to star Mario (ambiguously in the first case). NES Open Tournament Golf was a Mario game centered around golf. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:54, October 31, 2019 (EDT)

Split Golf (series) from Mario Golf (series) as a predecessor?[edit]

So the "predecessor/spinoff" list on this page is already a veritable series in its own right, with Golf, Family Computer Golf: Japan Course, Family Computer Golf: US Course, and Mobile Golf. From what I can see, the series name here is simply "Golf," with Mario Golf being in turn a spinoff of it. I think it perhaps should be its own article in the same manner as Famicom Grand Prix (series). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:42, July 5, 2023 (EDT)

Mario Golf series start[edit]

The first "direct" installment of the Mario Golf series is Mario Golf for Nintendo 64 not NES Open Tournament Golf. This Was confirmed by Nintendo on Twitter.

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On Mario Portal's list of games, filtering for the Mario Golf series shows NES Open Tournament Golf (though it goes even further and also counts Golf: Japan Course and Golf: U.S. Course). I'd say that's more concrete evidence for its inclusion in the series than the tweet being referred to here is evidence against, since it only somewhat vaguely says that Mario Golf 64 "teed off" the series. The tweet still could make sense even if Mario Golf 64 isn't the first game in the series - it "teed off" the series in the sense of bringing it back to stay after a near-decade of no installments, and beginning the era of Camelot as the developer of the series. Anyway, I do think we should consider adding Japan Course and U.S. Course to the series to match Mario Portal. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:50, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

Include Japan Course and US Course in the series[edit]

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merge Golf (series) with Mario Golf (series) 2-2-6-0
As I mentioned above, Mario Portal's list of games (which you can filter by series) counts NES Open Tournament Golf as a Mario Golf game, reaffirming the decision to include it that was made a while back, but it also includes Golf: Japan Course and Golf: U.S. Course in the series. I can't really think of a good argument against their inclusion that wouldn't also apply to NES Open Tournament Golf, so I think it'd make sense to count them as games in the series like Mario Portal does.

However, this would result in a lot of overlap with the Golf (series) page that also includes all three games, so it could be seen as redundant. Since I'm not really sure how much of a problem this is, here's multiple options:

  • Option 1: Just add Japan Course and US Course to the Mario Golf series page without doing anything to the Golf series page, i.e. count Japan/US Course as entries in both series like we already do with Open Tournament Golf.
  • Option 2: Add Japan and US Course to the Mario Golf series and remove them and Open Tournament Golf from the Golf series, so that there's no overlap between the two, reducing redundancy.
  • Option 3: Re-merge the Golf series page with the Mario Golf series page, putting Japan/US Course in the Mario Golf series and the other five games as related like we used to classify them. This also solves the redundancy problem, and while it might seem a little drastic, I don't know of any official source that acknowledges the "Golf series" (let alone defines it like the wiki does), and while it's not an identical situation, I could see some similar arguments to those against splitting sub-series applying here as well.
  • Option 4: Do nothing, I guess.

Proposer: Hewer (talk)
Deadline: July 15, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Option 1: Just add Japan Course and US Course to the Mario Golf series[edit]

  1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - My preference.

Option 2: Add Japan Course and US Course to the Mario Golf series and remove them and NES Open Tournament Golf from the Golf series[edit]

  1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Super Mario RPG (talk) Helps to differentiate which are the Super Mario entries proper and which are not.

Option 3: Re-merge the Golf series page with the Mario Golf series page, adding Japan Course and US Course to the Mario Golf series and the other games as related[edit]

  1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
  2. LinkTheLefty (talk) This most aligns with my thoughts on the early Golf games to begin with, and keeps things neat on one page.
  3. DrBaskerville (talk) Per all.
  4. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.
  5. Jdtendo (talk) Per all. The "Golf series" as a concept seems rather artificial to me.
  6. Nintendo101 (talk) Per proposal and comments below.

Option Fore: Do nothing[edit]

Comments[edit]

I think now's a good time as any to bring up a talking point I made a while back here. It might be outside the scope of the proposal, but whichever way it passes, since Golf: Japan Course seems to be the official start of the Mario Golf series, I believe it would be best to classify its direct predecessor as historically significant. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:26, July 1, 2024 (EDT)

The conflicting official sources make me unsure how to proceed there. The fact that there are sources for the golfer being Mario makes me lean a bit towards keeping full coverage to kind of align with how the wiki tries not to pick sides when official sources conflict, as encouraged by MarioWiki:Canonicity (e.g. we acknowledge the Koopalings as both being and not being Bowser's children depending on the era rather than picking a correct story), but I could easily see this case going either way. But I guess it's for a different discussion. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:59, July 1, 2024 (EDT)

Could it be possible to vote for them being related series? TheUndescribableGhost (talk) 20:32, July 1, 2024 (EDT)

That's essentially the way it is right now, so I guess any option except Option 3 would achieve that, though Option 3 would also have a similar result by classifying each game as related individually (and to be honest, I've kinda started leaning towards Option 3 given the, as far as I know, lack of official sources supporting the existence or classification of the "Golf series"). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 06:11, July 2, 2024 (EDT)

I'm not sure how relevant this would be, but as part of the anniversary material for the Famicom in the early 2000s, Nintendo published several soundtrack CDs for their Famicom games. Some were compilation albums representing several games and this was awkwardly conveyed in some of their names, but a few of them were given unique names that reflected their contents. For example, Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley, and Wild Gunman were acknowledged as entries in the "Light Gun Series". Golf was recognized with Baseball, Tennis, and Ice Hockey as entries in the "Famicom Sports Series". I do not know if this conceptually existed prior to these CDs, but I thought it was worth mentioning. While I'm not sure what bearing that has on how we categorize Japan Course and U.S. Course, or the other games simply called Golf on the Game Boy and Virtual Console, I'm not sure whether the original Golf really constitutes as an entry in the Mario Golf series, or whether it is better understood as a separate but influential predecessor (similar to the relationship between Mario Bros. and original Super Mario Bros.). - Nintendo101 (talk) 23:44, July 14, 2024 (EDT)

It's the latter, as Mario Portal excludes the original Golf from the series. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 06:43, July 15, 2024 (EDT)