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Official Artwork of a Mega MoleEpisode I: The Phantom Mole-nace
(1-160) (July 2017-January 2018)
The story of how a decade-long lurker finally joined for the sole reason of fixing a glaring mistake on Bald Cleft's page. And then they yell about classification on mole-ish creatures on a few occasions.

Artwork of an Attacky Sack from Yoshi's StoryEpisode II: Attacky of the Sackies
(161-320) (January 2018-October 2018)
Attacky Sacks appear and eat the universe, then I inadvertently help "Bowsette" propagate. Oops.

A Bubba in Super Mario Bōken Gēmu Ehon 6 3 Tsu no Takara (「スーパーマリオぼうけんゲームえほん 6 3つのたから」, Super Mario Adventure Game Picture Book 6: Three Treasures).Episode III: Revenge of the Fish
(321-480) (November 2018-November 2019)
Is Boss Bass the same as Cheep Chomp or Big Cheep Cheep and/or big Blurp?

Sprite of Magikoopa in battle, from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.Episode IV: A New Dope
(481-640) (November 2019-November 2023)
Various projects (and splits & merges) while I finish my graduate degree.


Yes, Furiko is mentioned as a smaller version of Furizō and the Mario Zone bosses are only known individually in the Japanese version (not "Three Little Pigheads" or any other group name) on page 76. They were also in the older encyclopedia, I've added that reference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2018 (EST)


The situation is not exactly the same as Big Lantern Ghost, as both that one from Paper Mario and from Yoshi's New Island have different Japanese names. The one from Paper Mario's size is roughly the same as the the metallic one and has a bandage on his forehead, while the one from Yoshi's New Island is bigger and lacks the bandage. And the Lantern isn't exactly the same, so this is why i putted the split template on Big Lantern Ghost. The Big Lantern Ghost from Paper Mario's Japanese name is Big Kantera-kun, while the Yoshi's New Island one is Mega Kantera. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:39, 6 November 2018 (EST)

If it gets merged, should "Big Kyutyan" be at least a redirect, since it's Raphael's Japanese name is romanized as Big Kyutyan, and usually, when an english name is found, there's still a redirect to the Japanese name. Take exemple on Slip Slidin' Away (Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3). --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:03, 9 November 2018 (EST)


I guess so, in lieu of anything better. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2018 (EST)

re:Obvious terrible photoshop

I'm getting of the obvious really shitty ones first. I'm a bit more hesitant on the recolours since I vaguely remember finding something that indicates the obvious edit that is the Kreepy Krow render is actually legit, but if that guy isn't able to prove those images aren't fan edits (which DKVine's galleries are full of), I'll just delete them tomorrow. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2018 (EST)

"Only" in Sentences

I've learned that putting "only" in different places in a sentence can alter the meaning of it. For example, "The bucket can only hold three gallons of water," means that the bucket holds three gallons of water but does not empty it, whereas "The bucket can hold only three gallons of water," means that the bucket can hold no more than three gallons of water. People who take certain sentences literally might misunderstand what they are really saying. Dwhitney (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Updating files

Ah, thanks. That had never happened before, so I was wondering if there was something weird about the image I was trying to upload. Scrooge200 (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Your username being hard to type

I was mostly joking. Don't worry dude, I love your name :P -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:14, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spike Top artwork

What I do know is that the "Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia" came out approximately four years after Super Mario World and one year before Mario Clash. If it's the first appearance of the Spike Top artwork, that time gap can lead one to conclude that it doesn't fully coincide with the game. Note that the book seems to have artwork exclusively drawn for it (namely some arcade and Game Boy enemies), so there's a decent chance it was made later. If there is an earlier release of the artwork, let me know! LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Spirit Sandbox

I'm still working on it, so it's still rough around the edges.

Regarding the Big Bertha thing, I'd rather some discussion actually taking place before slapping a {{merge to}} or {{merge from}} onto the page, though, especially given there were two proposals for that that failed, rather than having the template remain there for weeks without any discussion moving the matter forward. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 05:10, 16 November 2018 (EST)

re:Mr Yporolsa

Thanks, but I already know that you can upload new versions of files instead uploading a new one. It just said that I can't upload a new version. Idk why, but now it works normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RE: Flower Fields

That something is odd about Flower Fields doesn't mean it's a different dimension or anything of the like. Super Mario Bros. 3 features several places with a unique sun, and no one argues that those places are in a different world than the Mushroom Kingdom. Anyway, I brought the point up on the Discord channel; and an admin removed the speculation about precursors but left the rest, which is fine by me. JaybirdC (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2018 (EST)


You're right, but looking again, the disambig is now completely unnecessary since the name for Little Mouser in The Thousand-Year Door is "Squeek" and not "Squeak" like it stated. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:00, 18 November 2018 (EST)

It seems silly to keep the disambig page when one example is a misspelling and the other is a fake. I'd say it falls under the "too general" exemption. I don't understand why the policy was recently updated to retain conjectural titles and spelling mistakes, but the spelling mistake only applies to one actual subject. Either way, Mario jc already deleted it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Commas and name citations

Yes, it was Walkazo. Specifically, I remember there was a post about how that citation style was preferred because it is more academic or scientific. Although, the way things were done before was "first come, first serve" generally, but Big Cheep Cheep having an inconsistency with the commas right in the first sentence just looked silly. In fairness, things have changed since then (for example, we now enforce American spelling over British spelling instead of using whichever happened to be written first, which frankly looked unprofessional yet actually used to be warnable), so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to look into getting a clearer policy on this as well to help set the record straight. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Stubs

Okay. Thanks for telling me. --Super Mario Fan 67 (TCS) 17:10, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE:Hamma Jamma

Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner! Yeah, I didn't take in-game into consideration... Guess there's always a next time. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 20:12, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Re: Snow Guy

I'm pretty sure they are just regular Shy Guys to be honest. I don't think I've seen Snow Guys ANYWHERE in Tennis Aces.

--Bio of me.ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2018 (EDT)

RE:Big Bertha

Why should I take this serious anyways? Remember, this is a wiki about a videogame franchise. This wiki is just a game for me and I argued not because I care much about that or something, but because I just like arguing against people and mocking them (although you shouldn't take it all too personal). I should expect an adult to be able to separate jokes and arguments from a post and take the quintessence out of it, and not cry about the writer not being completely serious in such a discussion. MLSSBMTashrooba.pngVOIDTHIS (talk)MLSSBMShroobRex.png 14:16, 23 November 2018 (CET)

Spark and Piro Dangle

Sure they are similar, and have the same Japanese name, but have a different design, and don't exactly do the same thing. Normal Sparks can't have their electricity off for a few seconds, and Piro Dangle are fiery instead of electric. And they didn't appear at the same time. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 01:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Color variations: Toads vs Yoshis

I guess that the original proposal was specifically about enemies, but still, you'd think that similar logic applies here (although even the unique color abilities generally disappeared after Super Mario World unless I'm forgetting something). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spriter's Resource

It would make more sense, but I've only found references to the Spriters Resource on it and VG Resource-related sites. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Mask and Birdface

If I recall correctly, the Shogakukan guide for Super Mario Collection/All-Stars gave the goal and boss versions unique names, so that could work. Mister Wu might be the one to clarify. Though, both have the same name in the original Inside Out guides. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2018 (EST)


Did You Know template should have four points and an image, so rather than remove that information, it should be replaced. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:32, 28 November 2018 (EST)

You did, but rather than remove the information and tell someone else to replace it, you should find a replacement of your own so the four points and image remain. I can find something, but just letting you know for next time. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:38, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Re:A question on Dark Horse

To be honest, I don't know too much about the Zelda Encyclopedia translation due to losing interest in post-Hyrule Historia books after I heard that Hyrule Graphics onwards was mostly written by Nintendo Dream with a conspicuous disclaimer stating that artistic liberties were taken with the source material, essentially making them licensed fanfiction in my eyes. The new things that Encyclopedia says about the Kokiri and Majora's Mask makes me certain those magazine writers took the chance to get their fan theories approved. Of course, I could be wrong and Nintendo really did intend for Kokiri to only be rural Hylians who aren't actually children or that saving Termina was basically purposeless, but the fact we've only heard about these details in such a sketchy product makes me seriously question the authenticity of these claims. It disappoints me that Zelda Wiki decided these recent books override references to existing ones for no good reason, knowing the iffy writing and flimsy translation.

But I digress. I do know of at least one error with the translation of Encyclopedia, and that has to do with its timeline. In the newer timeline (which seems to be valid since the series' Japanese website reuses it), in addition to the inclusion of some games that have been released since Hyrule Historia, the position of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages was moved from between A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening to sometime not long after both. In the Japanese version, it's a different Link, presumably to explain why Zelda doesn't appear to recognize him (even though he literally waltzes right up to the Triforce and is automatically accepted as a hero right at the beginning of these games, so there was going to be a plot hole either way). In the English version, it's the same Link, making the shift pointless. Personally, after A Link Between Worlds implied that the characters of "Gramps" and "Mapes" were respectively ALttP Link and Maple, I don't understand the change. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:50, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Even more - it's outright stated. There was a Zelda Universe thread when the Japanese version, Hyrule Encyclopedia, first came out (post #30 is where the Termina bit is translated, post #123 is where the staff page and "creative liberty" statement were discovered). Though in retrospect, Nintendo more or less letting fans write encyclopedic books for one of their key franchises sort of set the bar for what happened with the English version of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)
Yeah, I also feel pretty strongly about it, and they're both among my personal favorite 2D and 3D games in the series. I'm still crossing my fingers for Miyamoto or Aonuma to address the exclusive Encyclopedia material with something along of lines of "well, that's only one possible interpretation." LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:19, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Data-rendered models

I understand. From now on, I'll post these kinds of images in their own separate "Data-rendered models" section. --MarioKartDoubleDash (talk) 12:39, 5 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boss Bass

That's exactly what I meant when I brought up the Ptooie case. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 13:44, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Blurp Bass

Well, the game itself only refers to them as Blurps (Japanese: Pukupuku, oddly enough), so you can easily consider them the same thing but just color variants of each other. Additionally, Red Blurp itself is very similar to Boss Bass, and having Blue Blurp in the same article would actually help a ton in differentiating them (plus it's about as likely to have been the Star Hole in Mario Golf, so taking it as one "Blurp" would make that a bit cleaner). So I would lean towards this idea, sure. As for the artwork, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the original source for it might have been the old website. If it is, it probably accompanies Cheep Cheep or Red Blurp, so we'd go with whichever one it was. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Re: YouTube for DiC

Does this mean I'll have to use "WildBrain - Cartoon Super Heroes" for the highest quality or does this mean I have to type in "HD" next to the "YouTube" part of the upload data of File:SpinyTAOSMB3.png?

Is there some queer alternatives to this nowadays?

--Bio of me.ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 8: 39, 8 December 2018 (EDT)

Re: Русский язык

That's actually supposed to happen whenever you italicize Russian. Granted, it also confused me in the little Russian language book I got for myself when studying as it didn't mention that it does that (and it did that also whenever it wrote in italics, so it confused me on how to pronounce it. See the difference between Русский язык and Русский язык. It's not just the t's that get affected but other words too and I have yet to distinguish them. Probably should type all of the Cyrillic out and see what gets affected by the italicization. BabyLuigiFire.png Ray Trace(T|C) 13:05, 9 December 2018 (EST)

Donut Plains

Informal shortening? Why? This sounds me British English and this does not count as informal language. BooIcon MP3.png Syncro263892XL 15:49, 12 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Image galleries

I'm sorry for what happen Benjaminkirsc (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Hothead

Right as I got that I just noticed the image notice on Gallery:Super_Mario_World#Other_characters_and_enemies, though I looked around and it seems Ultimate does use the Smash artwork for the spirit oddly enough. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 19:50, 13 December 2018 (EST)

A spooky question

Since you told me you've worked with music and sound before, I'd like to know your opinion on something. Let's say there's a game that reuses a track from another game with some differences, such as having a different soundfont and maybe some pitches added. For example, Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis uses a version of the Spooky House theme from Mario vs. Donkey Kong ([1]) for its Spooky Attic level ([2]). In this case, what should the Spooky Attic version be called in relation to the original?

  • "remix" is out of the question because the composition is the same
  • "arrangement" sounds too pretentious for what it is; the term feels like it would refer to an orchestrated version or something that uses real instruments, while here we're talking strictly electronic sounds
  • "cover" is used exclusively for songs, afaik.

For situations like these, I prefer using the term "retuned version" (e.g. "The Spooky Attic theme is a retuned version of the Spooky House theme.") because it uses different tunes for the same composition. However, not only does it sound fake, it can also be misread as "returned" with a second "r".

There are many music tracks from the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series in the same situation and I want to know what's good for the future. Therefore, what term do you think best fits this case? -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:59, 13 December 2018 (EST)

Thanks, I dumb and didn't think of putting it that simply. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 22:12, 13 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boomerang Bro. image problem

Sorry, I'm not sure what the problem is myself but I'll bring it up in admin discussion and see if any of the more tech-savvy staff know. Which artwork specifically doesn't load? Do they show up when logged out? I had a problem where the word "Advertisements" didn't show up in headers while logged in because an ad-blocker hid anything with ID "Advertisements" from me, so maybe it could be something similar to that. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:50, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Yep, that seems to be a similar case according to Porplemontage. Just disable it for MarioWiki since ads don't appear when logged in anyway. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 01:34, 16 December 2018 (EST)


Yeah, Big Bullet Bill was probably just me remembering incorrectly (unless someone somehow submitted a hacked level, but I doubt it). The Kamella reasoning makes sense, though I am curious if Big Magikoopa's name would happen to be exactly the same as Giant Kamek's (I couldn't find out with quick searching, but it's probably Deka Kamek anyway). LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2018 (EST)

Ukiki and other "Giant" enemies.

I forgot to ask you in a while though. You said if your Cheep Chomp proposal failed, you said we should reconsider Ukiki/Grinder/Osaru-san. Should we also reconsider other Kyodai/Dai and Deka enemies too? Or only for Ukikis? --FanOfYoshi Small heart 12:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)

In which reason for Koopa Troopa? Unlike Big Boo, the "Big" enemies don't seem to be based off each other. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 13:06, 2 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Complicating frog

The same can be said about Dark Moon frogs (since they also act as enemies) and they aren't going to be split. The differences from one frog to another are so variable that it's safer to keep them lumped together into one article to avoid confusion. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:49, 6 January 2019 (EST)

About Togemen

That's fine, but I was actually going to say that, if calling the original version "white" is the point of contention (as it may be more accurately just imply a lighter hue), I'd be okay if you also wanted to remove that bit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Re:Purple Bullet Bill

With the case of SMB3 Missile Bill, i'm waiting for Mister Wu's answer to see if Bull's Eye Bill was listed as a SMB3 enemy in the Super Mario Pia, so we can have a proof if the section should stay, or merged with Bullet Bill. With the case of Purple Bullet Bill, (which i didn't notice until you bring that to my talk page) is actually a color behavior difference (with the Encyclopedia using an identifier as other colored enemies). --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:09, 23 January 2019 (EST)

You mean in these cases? --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:22, 23 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Edit summary length

Some changes Steve made to the CSS I presume. It's likely a work in progress, as there are some features missing like the collapsible nav templates. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 19:21, 24 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Ghosts template

There still is templates like that, such as Template:Flowers. Also, Alex95 approved of the Ghosts template. I did not know that we deleted templates like that, as the Ghosts template was deleted as it was moved to template:Undead, which was in turn deleted, although the delete log only said get outta here. It does say that these templates are deleted on MarioWiki:Navigation templates, so I will add a delete template on the template. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 12:27, 28 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Piranha

shoot thanks for the heads up. Even if I can't move things, am I still allowed to add things to articles? Little Mouser.PNGPaper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)

Re:"Normal Pokey Doesn't Appear In The Game"

That's called "Dharma Sambo" (だるまサンボ) on page 127 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., but the Prima guide calls it a red "Pokey" on pages 197 and 204. The Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide isn't as neat as the Super Mario Galaxy 2 one and calls several enemies more generically (for example, Piranha Plant and Spiny Piranha Plant are both "Piranha Plants", Goomba and Goombeetle are both "Goombas", Octoguys are "squids", etc.). Dharma Samba is smaller than Coco Sambo and is defeated more easily, so I totally get how the wiki arrived at "Pokey" and "Big Pokey" - but that's also now Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia material, so we should probably do something about them. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2019 (EST)

"Big Pokey" got in the English Encyclopedia (so did the Spiny/Prickly mix-up that you and Ultimate caught on, incidentally), so at least that one's in a position where it should be changed. The red Pokey / Dharma Sambo might use some discussion first since there's something to it, though. Anyway, I've been using the filename romanizations since they do match up ("Dharma" likely refers to a Daruma doll, with which it shares etymology in Japanese, I guess due to its smoother round segments). About that website - I know what you're talking about. It was here and it had WIP info on the sequel and Super Mario 3D Land as well, but now it's been converted to a game hack page and the original site seems gone. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2019 (EST)
That's another reason why I thought it might be better to just split off Big Pokey now and worry about the red Pokey later, but there's "coconut" for Coco Sambo and "red" for Dharma Sambo off the top of my head. Neither are very ideal, though. Maybe "yellow Super Mario Galaxy enemy" and "red Super Mario Galaxy enemy" or something along those lines if it's not too wordy. Also, since the namesake coconuts aren't used to defeat the Thwomp Desert Pokey, I don't think it's supposed to be the same thing. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2019 (EST)
If that's the case, then both should be merged with Pokey (at least for now), since having Coco Sambo as Big Pokey would basically be citing Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia... LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2019 (EST)
The thing is that Big Pokey didn't properly exist until New Super Mario Bros. U. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:14, 31 January 2019 (EST)
You're right! There are definitely two different-sized Pokeys in the Double Dash version of the course, so I'll add it as its debut. It'd be simplest to leave the article unsplit... Although, on the other hand, the trading card also treats them as color variations instead of mentioning a size difference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:SMRPG Magikoopa

There are several Magikoopas seen with Bowser at Rose Way and Moleville, so I think the more likely scenario is that Square intended for a Magikoopa to be fought as a basic enemy like the Goombas and Terrapins that also accompany Bowser (in fact, there's some evidence suggesting that there might have been an entire deleted area), but it was removed and repurposed for the intro (Magidragon and BB-Bomb have blank names in the Japanese version, so they were likely always intended for the intro). This may be the reason why Magikoopa/Kamezard was given a unique name from the generic Magikoopa/Kamek. That reminds me: in the Japanese version, it's made clearer that not only was Kamezard leading Bowser's Magikoopas, but Jagger and the Goomba from Monstro Town (the guardian of the triplets) were also part of Bowser's remaining Terrapins and Goombas. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Doki Doki

Noted. Also; it's possible - but here's a better link. The website credits the "Doki Doki Panic" help guide as their source for said images, whatever a help guide is. Manual? Strategy guide? Regardless... Little Mouser.PNGPaper Jorge (Talk·Contribs) Also here's a link to all images tagged DDP

I found Hisshō Kōryakuhō when I looked up a Doki Doki Panic help guide, and found an enemy page from the book. It matches up with the art in the Super Mario USA version as seen on the talk page (note Mario and a potion can be spotted there), so it seems the company reused artwork. You can also see that there's artwork that the Video Game Art Archive didn't upload, such as Tryclyde and Green Birdo. I can't tell at this point if all of the artwork is the same, as the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual updated Pokey and the guide's artwork is closer to the original. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2019 (EST)

RE:Bullet Bill

By zooming in on this part of this video you can see servrel black dots on the sprite. It seems like there are these dots on the sprite, so I apologize for my mistake. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 18:41, 8 February 2019 (EST)

It seems like the dots are an error then, so I again apologize for my mistake. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 20:51, 8 February 2019 (EST)

About using romanized file names

I don't think it's inherently ridiculous; I did the same approximation for the "Big" enemies (like Paragoomba) from Super Mario Galaxy 2, which kept things more consistent and much less of a headache to keep track of on those pages. It slightly bends protocol a bit, sure, but it conveniently aligns with the current conclusion. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2019 (EST)

I mean, if "Giant Land Para-Goomba" couldn't be used, then using "Big Paragoomba" like that would've been anachronistic, hence referencing the filename (also because the older big names for the other enemies were spanning several different time frames and frankly looked silly when applied to Super Mario Galaxy 2 given they'd be using the current names right in the next game). Though I guess they're not direct romanizations like Propeller Packun because that would be "Deka" and unusable. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2019 (EST)
I concede on Propeller Piranha, but again (even putting aside that Big Paragoomba didn't exactly exist yet): Giant Goomba originally came from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Piranha Plant originally came from the New Super Mario Bros. guide, and the big Koopa Troopa presented the distinct problem of which name from the Super Mario Bros. 3 guide would be most appropriate (should it be Giant Koopa, which is an umbrella term that could be grouping Colossal Koopa Paratroopas together, or Green Gargantua Koopa Troopa, even though Red Giant Koopa Troopas don't appear and thus the color distinction is superfluous?). It was a hodge-podge of various outdated sources, and in this case, a simpler, less messy method is available - the "Big" filenames arriving at the same destination. Either way, it wasn't going to be perfect. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2019 (EST)
Are you thinking of the Koopa Troopas from the first game? They also came in red, but they're all green in the sequel. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2019 (EST)
I was referring to Super Mario Galaxy 2. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2019 (EST)
I'm referring to the enemies from Supermassive Galaxy in general, which all reference their modern "Big" names now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2019 (EST)
Keep in mind that Big Wigglers and Big Thwomps are also in Supermassive Galaxy, so you would've had all these different names for a big enemy from more or less unrelated sources clashing with the modern one within the same space. That case is one where being strict is counterintuitive and a bit of an eyesore. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2019 (EST)
Because it marks a turning point where the standard was knowingly switched to "Big" over the unique names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2019 (EST)
Just Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as far as I know. If it counts, the Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide calls it a "big Goomba" then switches to "giant Goomba" (29). Unfortunately, the Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guide also didn't use proper names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2019 (EST)
Just like Small Goomba, the impression I had is that it was never considered a "true" Big Goomba since it is a normal one artificially under Kamek's spell, but I could be wrong. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2019 (EST)
Paper Mario: Color Splash is a case where the Japanese names are different as well, with Mega Goomba being Kyodai Kuribō instead of Deka Kuribō and Small Goomba being Chibi Kuribō instead of Mame Kuribō (though for what it's worth, the internal names are big_kuribo and small_kuribo). LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2019 (EST)

I just found out that the Prima guide for Super Mario 3D World consistently gives the name "Mega Piranha Plant" to Big Piranha Plant, and since the filename for it is PackunFlowerBig, that proves me wrong. So I'll move the affected big enemies back to the then-current names and make an exception for Big Paragoomba. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Flurry Sunshine

I didn't notice the buttons, but they lack the distinct feet that Flurries have and don't seem to have their squat shape, so they look to be depicted as more like nondescript snowmen to me. 18:18, 14 February 2019 (EST)

It's hard to tell because they're animated. I honestly don't think there's enough to say with absolute certainty that they are Flurries, but maybe it would work better as trivia? Something like, "there are snowmen in the background of the Gleam Glacier map that have a resemblance to Flurries, but bounce instead of walk due to their lack of feet." And noted; I was just following Paper Jorge's lead there. I may go back and fix the links later. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:50, 14 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Surprise Flower

I would guess "Flower" because I see internal references to that word, but I actually asked Hiccup (talk) to look into it for me earlier. Do you know how soon the deadline is for the month's 'Shroom Spotlight? LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2019 (EST)

No idea - I skimmed through the early Nintendo Power coverage, their Inside Out, Mario Mania and All-Stars guides, and even the Prima Super Mario Advance guide for good measure, and haven't found it at all. According to Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., it's not Super Mario USA artwork since that's just an early version of the Super Mario Advance artwork, and the one in the Super Mario World section is just an alternate recolored version of the jumping variant artwork from the Super Mario USA section. Worse case scenario, it's random fan-art that somehow got mixed in here. Unfortunately, the uploader hasn't posted in about five years. On another note, related to the above - do you think the appearance of Big Goomba in New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Mario Galaxy 2 should be referred to as Grand Goomba instead of Giant Goomba? The reason being that "Grand Goomba" comes from Super Mario series sources whereas "Giant Goomba" was only used in a Smash Bros. series source (similar to this failed proposal idea). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2019 (EST)

Re: Chinese Midbus

BiS wasn't officially released in mainland China, the release in Taiwan was just the Japanese version imported. The later translated names are unofficial translations. EC2-Towards (talk) 06:27, 19 February 2019 (EST)

Something's wrong with the MLSSBM Bestiary!

Hey. I really hate to be a tattletale right now, but an anomymous user is constantly editing the Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions bestiary. I don't know what's up with all the hoopla going on, but I think you should talk to whoever was editing the stats. The "Fawful (1)" and "Fawful (2)" categories are messing up the top part of the bestiary.

--Bio of me.ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 19:10, 22 February 2019 (EDT)


Chill dude, it was a joke and I was about to add the template back. Me not noticing it the first time around was a mistake. Sheesh. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:57, 22 February 2019 (EST)

I know, don't educate me on that. I would never actually vandalize a page, and I think my contributions to this site stand as solid proof for that. I hit Save Changes to add the template back right as you reverted the previous edit yourself. The joke was made in the first place to show you that I didn't notice the template the first time around, in a light-hearted way, but then you took it seriously and that upset me. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:15, 22 February 2019 (EST)
Writing an edit summary takes long. Ooh, I made a slightly unconstructive edit that I was just about to revert. Burn the vandal on stake. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:19, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Just drop this. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:24, 22 February 2019 (EST)

I hope Doc will drop it as well. I hate it when you do something a little silly, with no bad intentions, and people become harsh on you. It only adds up to your insecurity, and people then ask what's wrong with you. I just want to combat this because I'm full of it. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:30, 22 February 2019 (EST)
It was a simple joke at your own expense that was meant to be quickly reverted and didn't actually do any major damage to the article (such as blanking or inappropriateness). I'm not regarding this as vandalism, but that said, joke edits should stay off of the mainspace articles. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:34, 22 February 2019 (EST)

It's alright now, I understand. My apologies for acting up. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:14, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Re: Proposals

Ah, sorry. Scrooge200 (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Turtle thing

Well, given that 7feetunder had his proposal merging them with the Big Koopa Troopa, should i wait four weeks to make a counterproposal? Mister Wu brought the evidence at the worst time, and i'm not sure wether it should be me or someone else who makes the counterproposal. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 02:18, 27 February 2019 (EST)

RE:Future Tense

39f689d45cdc280cbef06cf154e47feb.png MarioWiki:Proposals#Ban certain cases of future tense from the wiki

-- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:00, 28 February 2019 (EST)

RE:DK64 renders

Sorry for the delay to answer.

The characters and objects take everything from my emulator. I press print screen, erase the background in Paint leaving the model, I copy and paste in Paint NET to leave the background transparent.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 12:19, 1 March 2019 (EST)

In fact these things are hard to find. For example, the Bonus Barrel they are disposable, if I pass this double bonus for complete in five chambers , there will not them anymore. Now I'm playing this game from start to finish to catch Blast-o-Matic's metal arrowhead pole.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2019 (EST)


This edit summary doesn't exactly help matters. A simple reversion would've worked. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:26, 1 March 2019 (EST)

It's best to just not say anything that could antagonize them at all. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:31, 1 March 2019 (EST)


At least they eventually corrected "ReDead Knight" (I actually suggested moving it to "Gibdo" long ago)...albeit not entirely for the right reasons. It looks incredibly amateurish for them to refer to official names they'd prefer not to use as "not considered Canon" (a term that should really be reserved for story). Their references are also completely out of whack now that they are sometimes plain hard to read (just look at Ganon or Princess Zelda) and are for some reason entirely sucking up to the Dark Horse books by having them replace older valid sources (does that mean they consider the names and info they use to be unofficial before the release of those books or what?). It's really messy. I wouldn't even know where to begin to be honest. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Could be that the editors who went around replacing existing references with Dark Horse ones didn't get around to Zazak, or they knew deep down that merging would be a mistake. The logic isn't internally consistent with ReDead Knight getting a partial merge with Gibdo. They don't have a naming policy, do they? LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2019 (EST)
That's something that should be cleaned up in addition to citation policy, since their idea of naming doesn't have a whole lot of structure to it. They also probably don't need to cite things that should be readily evident in the games unless it's obscure info. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:27, 1 March 2019 (EST)
Moldorm is another one that comes to mind since different localizations have been all over the place there. What's your idea? LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:46, 2 March 2019 (EST)
I would help with creating a new zeldawiki. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 18:31, 2 March 2019 (EST)
I don't know the Gamepedia situation too well, but it has my interest. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2019 (EST)
I know it's Wikia, but what's your take on Zeldapedia? LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2019 (EST)

If it were up to me, I'd honestly just leave Helmaroc King split (ain't no way Helmasaur King is a "Great Bird"). I'd want Zora merged because the sea Zora and river Zora distinction was only made through one or two dialog boxes one time (in Oracle of Ages). In Hyrule, both types claim Zora River, so the "sea" name never really worked out as a whole. Their current "enemy" identifier doesn't factor the times some were friendly NPCs (like A Link Between Worlds). I'm pretty sure Ocarina of Time's Zoras were originally designed with the 2D incarnation in mind. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:15, 5 March 2019 (EST)

I actually forgot about that Brawl trophy. Considering other examples that come to mind over the years like Wizzrobe and Lizalfos, I guess it would be kind of fruitless to separate the Zelda species based on design characteristics. In the Link's Awakening Switch trailer, you can even see that the Moblin design has been updated to include a pig nose to move away from the original bulldog version. In the end, it may just be better to play it as loosely as Nintendo is choosing to do and not lose sleep over it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:59, 6 March 2019 (EST)
If we applied it to our policy standards, Fallmaster has in-game references from Ocarina of Time and The Minish Cap calling it "Wallmaster" and "Wall Master" respectively, and I'm fairly certain the original Wall Master (from walls) technically only appeared in one game, so "Wall Master (The Legend of Zelda)" could be a separate article. This is all going to be a hard sell to the current wiki... LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2019 (EST)
I got the English version of A Link Between Worlds because I didn't want to wait another month for the Japanese version to get my Zelda fix (I did the same for the Wii version of Twilight Princess earlier), so I didn't get the Japanese guide. I know that Clyde Mandelin, a professional translator also known for the Mother 3 fan translation, has copies of both for his Legends of Localization series, so he might be the one to ask (by the way, he also did a brilliant playthrough for the English version of Super Mario RPG, using his own program to display equivalent text from the Japanese ROM in the corner in realtime and make translation comparisons on the fly). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:59, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I mean, you can potentially start whatever wiki you want to. But if you want them to fix their sources, talking on that actual wiki is a good first step. They can also explain how they work. I've worked on Zelda Wiki a few times, taking part in their weekly "Wiki Weekly" event, and (while they certainly use an overabundance of references for my tastes) I haven't noticed too many naming problems, if any. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:09, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I should mention that I actually haven't reregistered my account with Zelda Wiki since the Gamepedia merger (I can but, as Alex95 mentioned, it seems it's bad timing since they have their own issues right now what with Wikia/Fandom shenanigans)... Anyway, if you do decide to go through with this idea, I'll have your back on it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Our goals align. Their ground-up approach should also theoretically reduce clutter in the long run. This could work. The main issue is that most people are going to search for "Legend of Zelda Wiki" or something along those lines, so if we set our attention on them, the "Zelda Archive" name would need promoting to get out there. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2019 (EST)
They're already making a new Zelda Wiki: Results May Vary (talk) 11:38, 9 March 2019 (EST)
Does it look potentially interesting? Results May Vary (talk) 21:48, 9 March 2019 (EST)
Which elements? I also wrote an article there: Results May Vary (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2019 (EST)
I think he told me that one is based on Zelda canon and the other page is based on game details itself. You can message Hylian pi with questions there--i'm sure he's open to suggestions & improvements Results May Vary (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2019 (EST)
Looks like Zelda Archive is closed from editors--it was meant to be a personal project for Hylian pi himself all along. Results May Vary (talk) 23:47, March 12, 2019 (EDT)
Just use the word disappointing. That's what it is really. Results May Vary (talk) 00:01, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
The owner could have just made it clear that it's strictly NES only for the time being instead of shutting off outside help, so that's really too bad...although I'm not sure if ShoutWiki would count as a NIWA website if the idea is to eventually make it a replacement for the current one. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:40, March 16, 2019 (EDT)
LinkTheLefy, I dont plan to use it on shoutwiki forever. I've just never set up a MediaWiki website before, and so this is a temporary solution for the time being. It's more in the context of preserving the existing info from Zelda Archive, seeing as he deleted it. I wouldn't want to manage a Zelda wiki either, since I'm far from an expert. Results May Vary (talk) 19:48, March 16, 2019 (EDT)
Doc, speaking of Triforce Wiki, I hope it will get independently hosted somehow. ShoutWiki was just a temporary fix to host the articles and content removed from Zelda Archive. Hylian pi was nice enough to allow me to relocate it all Results May Vary (talk) 14:54, March 21, 2019 (EDT)

The hand thing is weird. "Hand" and "???" are very likely meant to be the same type of character, while Phoeni has the same role, but is a different character (she's a girl, while the other two are boys). A discussion on Hand or ??? could be brought up to them (idk how Zelda Wiki handles proposals or whatever they do). Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 23:05, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Well, dang, didn't actually see the MM source. Yeah, that's dumb. Phoeni I think is supposed to be a completely different character, but they used the Prima name to distinguish her from ???. I wouldn't say Zelda Wiki is beyond repair, but some of their policies and content could use a push a right direction.
Mario Wiki's not exactly perfect either :P Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 00:43, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
I'm not sure why it was split since other incarnations of the same character are generally not split (e.g. Malon isn't four articles), so this is another example of an internal inconsistency. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:55, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

Style Sisters

Because it's a red link, I'm assuming it's the Jellyfish Sisters? Or is it something different only in Odyssey? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:07, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Ah, okay. Thanks for the info. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:17, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Re:SML2 items and obstacles

That is weird, because most of those things have a gameplay purpose. I apologies if this is a poor question as I am not experienced with game files, however would the background/platform tiles have names or related code? Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 18:19, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Eye Beamer

At the very beginning of the mission, there are four Eye Beamers shooting a laser towards the middle, the implication being that they're amplifying and generating the planet's other lasers. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you happen to know...

If "favorite item" in Mario Party 2/3 means anything? Does it affect CPU behavior? I have a feeling it means AI controlling the character is more likely to buy their "favorite item" but I'm not 100% sure. I've observed such behavior but it could be coincidence. Was wondering if you had any data on it? Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 12:18, 4 March 2019 (EST)

Starting Wiki?

Hi, thanks for mentioning me to LinkTheLefty. Just wondering but didnt you plan on starting a new Crash Bandicoot wiki at some point? I could be wrong but I think i remember you saying that. Results May Vary (talk) 00:54, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I dont think there needs to be a fourth Zelda Wiki? There's zeldapedia, zelda wiki, and zelda dungeon wiki Results May Vary (talk) 01:00, 7 March 2019 (EST)
Starting a new Zelda Wiki would be a struggle. How are you (and Doomhiker) going to pull it off? Zelda isn't a small franchise either--it's a big one. NIWA wont affiliate with two Zelda Wikis either. Results May Vary (talk) 01:08, 7 March 2019 (EST)
I thought Zelda Wiki is trying to get out of Gamepedia? Besides, they're also a co-founder of NIWA (ironically) Results May Vary (talk) 14:34, 7 March 2019 (EST)
Yeah they are. Anyway, I'm stumped on this one. This is a decision i'm not involving myself in. If you think a fourth one will help amend the problems with the wikis, then i say go for it. Just remember all the barriers and potential problems this could have. I might pop in and make some edits, but please do keep in mind the issues this could cause. In addition, making a "competitor" out of spite wont resolve anything--if you make another zelda wiki, i suggest a unique purpose behind it--and originality added in. That's what made WiKirby what it is today--it refused to copy from the Wikia, and built itself up from scratch. Results May Vary (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2019 (EST)

RE:Poochy riding Yoshi

My mistake, although I still stand by removing it as it is not vandalism, it is not necessarily deleted and it is not poorly written, I just accidentally swapped the characters' names. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 18:38, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

The content is not really removed, my mistake has just been fixed. Anyways, if you want to re-add it, you can although I do not personally feel that it should stay. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 17:39, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Triforce Wiki

This will be very minor alternative but Results May Vary (talk) 21:08, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

It's a wiki farm--basically Wikia but better. unfortunately i cant find an independent host, so this will have to do for now. Hylian pi is giving me the deleted content to move over. Results May Vary (talk) 21:45, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
He might be able to hosting it when it "gets a decent amount of content". Hylian's not a bad person actually. The set up I'm doing on the Zelda Archive split (named Triforce Wiki, name suggested by him) is deliberately being laid out in a way so it's familiar/parallel to Super Mario Wiki's style. Hopefully it can get moved off to an independent host some day--but that will take work and effort, and NIWA will not host a duplicate Zelda Wiki, so it's all on us as editors pretty much. Results May Vary (talk) 00:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
I'm sorry it's taking forever to move Triforce Wiki to an independent host--I'm really embarrassed about this. Results May Vary (talk) 19:29, April 5, 2019 (EDT)
So update, the Triforce Wiki has been cancelled by me. I've found it too challenging to get it going and even get it hosted onto an independent platform. I'm busy focused on Conker Wiki and the other Rare wikis as usual. I'm also not the largest Zelda expert and made that wiki as a pitch for a new Zelda Wiki. Rare wikis and content are my expertise, hence why most of the content I edit here is regarding the Donkey Kong franchise Hopefully Zelda Wiki will go off Gamepedia, or NIWA can collectively start a brand new one, based on the one I moved off from Zelda Archive. I just want the Zelda wikis to all come together, since there's far too many of them and it's driving me nuts. Do you still plan on a Crash Bandicoot wiki? I know Metalex would love that. I've seen some Bandipedia pages, and while I'm not a big Crash expert or fan, i could tell it's better to start it completely from scratch than to consider forking it. That's what I did with Conker Wiki. Results May Vary (talk) 17:00, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, I really think Crash deserves a better wiki than what's on Wikia/Fandom currently. I'm not an expert in Wiki editing, but I try my best. If you ever make a Crash Bandicoot Wiki, count me in to try and help ya ^_^ --Metalex123 (talk) 17:07, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
Ok Doc, the wiki's been moved to . self-hosted by me Results May Vary (talk) 11:02, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
Thank you -- this is the very first MediaWiki i've set up by myself too. I know you and a couple of others were willing to have a fresh start. Nobody was really taking action on this (either due to fear or confusion). I pitched the wiki around, and eventually i just thought to independently maintain and host this one. This time it's about the community, the same kind of magic that happens here. Results May Vary (talk) 20:34, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah shoutwiki wasnt going to work anyway. I'm giving the Mario Wiki style for the Triforce Wiki, as a means of accommodating the editors (many i assume would come from this wiki). Was there anything you were planning on doing on Triforce Wiki in specific? Results May Vary (talk) 21:04, April 30, 2019 (EDT)

Rainbow Cruiser

Can you explain why this tag remains on the article page?

I see, asking you this because there's no discussion on the talkpage. Alien Bunny Sprite.pngL151Onnanoko

Re:Piscatory Pete

The only thing is that every guide gives Piscatory Pete a separate entry from Flopsy Fish, so you'd think it'd just be mentioned in one "Cheep Cheep" description like Seedy Sally and Short Fuse for Ukiki if they wanted to consider it the same thing. It may be best as a proposal considering the Flopsy Fish merge was also a proposal, though between this and Needlenose (which is called "Pokey" in not one, but both more recent guides), I feel like the source priority exception proposal is starting to show its flaws. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:47, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario Galaxy / Super Mario Galaxy 2 fiery counterparts

What about the "X" bosses from the Mario & Luigi series? Those are split despite being even less differentiable than the stronger King Kaliente. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 09:05, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Nipper Dandelions

Should I move the page now, as five out of seven people agree with moving the page? Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 14:58, March 23, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Shroob Castle

It was brought up on the page's talk page, and both the in-game map and the guide call it "Peach's Castle (Past)". Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 01:13, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Bero

Ah, I get it. Scrooge200 (talk) 22:50, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Stompin' Chomps

Can we say for sure that "Stompin' Chomp" is actually the enemy's English name? I know it's from the name of Rompin', Stompin' Chomps, but I'm reading it more as "Rompin', Stompin' Chomps" rather than "Rompin', Stompin' Chomps". Niiue (talk) 05:04, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

Ah, alright. I somehow misread who removed the tag, sorry about that. Niiue (talk) 06:53, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Wallmaster Vs. Bob-omb

The thing about Bob-omb is that we do know of a few occasions where they are considered to have debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2, so it goes beyond name changes and into character descriptions. That's different territory. For example, the earlier Super Smash Bros. games, while not perfect, did try to list the specific debut before the English writers later went with the Japanese idea of general appearances. Another thing is that the designs in the Zelda series can vary wildly, whereas the original Bob-Omb enemy (at least as seen in the in-game sprites and Doki Doki Panic / Super Mario Bros. 2 artwork as opposed to Super Mario USA / Super Mario Advance artwork) is unmistakably classic Bob-omb, just with hands and recolored feet. I feel like the Super Mario Sunshine enemy splits (as derivative species including Bob-omb) are likelier to pass, although I'm wary of that since it seems more like a retroactive explanation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:55, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Mockup sprites

That doesn't matter, we don't use unofficially recreated sprites/images regardless of how pixel- and colour-perfect it is, especially not on "more than likely" and well before the game's and official sprites' release. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 23:17, March 26, 2019 (EDT)

It did, I said "especially" not "specifically". If it's not the sprite from the game, we're not going to pass it off as that. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 03:01, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
I meant ripped from the game. I know the sprite came from the game. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 03:23, March 27, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Quick solution

My impression is that the guidance translator had access to an internal localization database (accounting for the Spiny/Prickly fix), but it didn't contain any entries for the Yoshi's Island DS Piranha Plants (hence why they aren't in the Nintendo Power guide), so the wiki was looked up as a judgment call. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:55, March 27, 2019 (EDT)

I think Doomhiker was going to make a proposal on it, but the discussion slowed down after Glowsquid's post, and then it more or less halted after the Polterpiranha thing came to light. My stance is probably still outnumbered, though. After some thought, here's my idea: I'd be all right with renaming the article to Nipper Dandelion if it's referred to by its original Watage Pakkun name when referring to Yoshi's Island DS. We don't usually do that for foreign names, but it's not explicitly disallowed and given the circumstances, it's reasonable to do it here. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:15, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
At the end of the day, for twelve years straight, it was unofficial. Applying this name to those articles would be citing ourselves. Also, I can think of at least one other instance where we use Japanese names for certain appearances - namely the Mad Scienstein from Wario Land 3, who goes by "Arewo Shitain-hakase" in Wario Land 4 articles. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:22, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
But we'd be citing Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, a game that retroactively "officialized" it over a decade after Yoshi's Island DS. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:44, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
Except this approach would not be wholly "prohibiting" it - it would treat it as the conjectural name it was then and the official name it is now going forward. It is pretty much objectively what the talk page's "accurate documentation" would look like if it is true to the claim. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:55, March 27, 2019 (EDT)


Basically a yellow recolour of this exact image. In the game, the cartridges inside the pot differ and move around. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 21:25, March 27, 2019 (EDT)


Is there any way the maps can be applied to the sprites? Because I don't know how to. --MatiasNTRM (talk) 17:30, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Nipper Plant

I know, however it still is more recent artwork due to it being modified, and it is less stylized. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 17:33, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Mario/Luigi

Alex95 brought that up to me in admin discussion, what I was asking was how it even happened. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:44, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Hemispheres and equinoxes

{{release}} has one for Brazil if that's what you're asking, though I don't think a date has been released for M&S2020 for that region. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 04:03, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Spike Top and Red Spike Top

I dunno if I'm wording this right, but TTYD treats Red Spike Tops as derivatives more than minor variants, imo. It'd be one thing if it was like Color Splash and Blue Spike Tops and Red Spike Tops were treated roughly the same by the game, but it's a lot more like the KP Koopa situation if anything.

On another note, if you're referencing the SMRPG Snifits, those should be split seeing as how their English name is the only reason they're merged in the first place. Who has lost his tail? 18:48, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

Do you think KP Koopas should be merged with regular Koopas since they have the same stats and look like regular yellow Koopas from SMW? Who has lost his tail? 18:54, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
The name's really not the important part, imo. Who has lost his tail? 23:32, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
The color variations in the newer games aren't treated the same as Red Spike Top, though, which is part of why I don't think they should be treated the same by the wiki. And the fact that TTYD made a conscious decision to make regular Spike Tops blue and treat the "normal" design as a new variant is another reason I think they should stay split. Who has lost his tail? 23:49, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
That's kind of speculative, imo. PM64 had the same gameplay, but still made Spike Tops red. Who has lost his tail? 23:53, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
I still doubt that's why Spike Tops are blue in TTYD. Who has lost his tail? 00:11, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
For one, regular Spike Tops continued to be blue until Sticker Star, which redesigned most of the enemies to look like their platformer designs anyway. Also note that TTYD has unused graphics and data for "Aka Metto", "Aka Pata Metto", and "Aka Pata Togemetto", showing that Red Spike Tops are the only remaining part of an otherwise unused Red Buzzy Beetle enemy type. Who has lost his tail? 02:37, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Either way, they're clearly intended to be distinct from regular Spike Tops. I think they should stay split for the same reason I think KP Koopas shouldn't be merged with regular Koopas. Who has lost his tail? 02:51, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
And KP Koopas are just Koopa Troopas that dyed their shells, doesn't mean they should be merged. (And I'd argue there is such a thing as a "regular Koopa", considering how KP Pete's overworld Tattle says he's "just a basic Koopa".) Who has lost his tail? 03:55, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Bowser/Hidden Locations

Okay there should be easier ways of finding Bowser and Hidden Locations for 64 so instead of naviboxes by alphabetical order how can one make a new Category?-- 13:53, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

Well there should be an easier way in what order of Secret Areas and Levels one needs to make when going through a walkthrough.-- 12:03, April 5, 2019 (EDT)


I don't see why it wouldn't be considered a legacy name. Mario Mania had a few lasting effects for a few other enemies, like the first usage of Lava Bubble, and Koopa Paratroopa arguably had it worse since it was referred to by various different names for the next four or so games in a row. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:41, April 5, 2019 (EDT)


The reason I did it is because the thing above is’nt going anywhere so I made it to do this. Let’s wait a second. [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 18:29, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Ok I will put it on hold [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 18:33, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Pink DKJr vs Gooigi

Very good point. In fact, I agree with you about merging the page. However a counterproposal is needed and it would need to be serious unlike the other proposals which were just jokes. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 20:53, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Re:"Wet Bones"

There was no other in-game name from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, so according to our general practice it would be applicable to that specific appearance. "Wet Bone" was likely done as a brief attempt to split or rebrand Fishbone from its original appearance due to its revised behavior (note that "Fish Bone" was not actually used in-game until Nintendo 3DS AR Games). LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:30, April 6, 2019 (EDT)

It is indeed wiki policy to preserve name changes as they happen. Our rules also state: "When mentioning subjects whose names have changed overtime, the newest name generally takes greater priority, except in the context of older media where they went by previous names, in which case those are used instead." For New Super Mario Bros. Wii only, that would be Wet Bones at the time. This is not about the article title, which is what the bulk of the naming policy covers, but rather which one would be applicable to specific appearances. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:42, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
I'll refer you to the recent case of Flipswitch Panel, which is named as such in the Super Mario Galaxy instruction booklets but was renamed to "Switch Panel" in the Super Mario 3D World Prima guide. The latter is technically the more recent name and is used in the game sections appropriately, but the former is the article title due to being higher priority. Same idea applies as article titles don't necessarily have the same standards as appearance-by-appearance name changes. Hope that explains it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:10, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
I honestly think it was deliberate, but only short-lived: as I pointed out, Fish Bone was given new homing behavior that it didn't have originally, so it was probably just an attempt to distinguish it in some way that the localizers soon decided against afterwards. I can't explain Mini-Ninja, but Mario Mania did end up using preferred forms for other things such as Porcupuffer, Fishing Boo, and Parabomb in the long run. If you'd really like, you can ask an admin for a second opinion on these two, but considering Mario jc was on board with the Flipswitch Panel case, I think it would be agreed to simply present the information as it was given here. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:44, April 6, 2019 (EDT)


The bats in Mario Kart 64 are just that: a bat. Nothing special, and there's nothing in the Bat disambiguation that would match it. As I as talking here, it could really link to Swoop (its replacement) or just not have any link at all. Or do you have a different suggestion? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 00:48, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

Well, alright then. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 00:57, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

Monty Mania

I don't have Yoshi's Crafted World, but given the wiki doesn't mention this yet, I figured I'd run this past you - it seems like big Monty Moles appear in the game, such as in the Monty-Mole-B-Gone mini-game where they're scored as five Monty Moles. It might be worth its own article. On another note, I noticed that Mega Mole and Morty Mole articles are inconsistent on whether Morty Mole is related or derived from Mega Mole. I'd personally consider it a derivative, but I'll let you decide what to do there. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:19, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

Sliding Haymaker

WHY IN THE WORLD. THAT IS IT’S NAME COME ON!!!!!!!!!! [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 20:04, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Sliding Punch

You've said that in three different places (including this which I found to be unnecessarily sarcastic and condescending), but anyway that's my mistake, so sorry. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 22:31, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

Rather than claiming I was "dishonest" and lied about it, did you at least consider the possibility it was an oversight? I will admit I didn't double-check the rest of the manual; due to the "Sliding Punch"/sliding punch" inconsistency between the header and text, and since I've looked at a lot of manuals for references, most of which use capitalised headers, I assumed it was the same for BIS. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have said anything. Mistakes happen; consider that before assuming bad faith in others next time. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:46, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Goonie

I’ll try to upload a separate image of the background Goonies when I get back from my vacation. --Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 06:46, April 10, 2019 (EDT)

The image has been retaken now. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 00:29, April 15, 2019 (EDT)


I have to admit. Your userpage is really cool. (even though I don’t understand a word you are saying at the top). [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 19:21, April 10, 2019 (EDT)

How long...

...have you been a fan of YouTube Poops? Forgive me for snoopingAS usual, but I'm one of those people who didn't quite grow out of them after the 07-08 craze (I still think Hotel Mario and Faces of Evil/Wands of Gamelon content is funny), and it's nice to see someone who finds humor in it still. :^) Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 21:21, April 13, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Nerdrick

They're scientists that have built robots and wear glasses (traits that are common in media) and speak gibberish (which isn't even exactly the case with E. Gadd, since he speaks in a comprehensible language). There's hardly any resemblance between them that makes it worth noting. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 23:49, April 13, 2019 (EDT)

I'm referring to what E. Gadd says, not how he speaks. E. Gadd actually speaks English (Japanese in Japan etc.) whereas Nerdrick speaks flat-out gibberish that only his robot can understand. Could you be more specific about that last part? Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:18, April 14, 2019 (EDT)
Alright, you can re-add it with that bit in. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 02:03, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Enemy counts

That's why users have been adding "(number, not counting ones spawned from Warp Pipes etc.)", which seems reasonable. I'm not getting your point, though; why would you need to count multiple instances of an enemy appearing? If there's an enemy that appears in a specific location in DKCTF, it would make sense to count that as one. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:52, April 16, 2019 (EDT)

You're being too particular about this. Again, why is it necessary to treat a single enemy appearing infinitely in a specific location as multiple, separate enemies? Especially from the developers' point of view, they're intended to be one enemy set to respawn multiple times. Just count the enemies as you go through the level, add a note to the main game page saying enemies respawn when the player leaves the screen and comes back, and there'd be no fuss. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 02:31, April 16, 2019 (EDT)

RE:E key

Maybe you should just try getting a new keyboard. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 03:02, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

Oh... Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 03:23, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

Giant Donkey Kong in Smash Bros. Ultimate

Like I said, it's literally just a permanently-Super Mushroomed Donkey Kong that the game treats like every other giant fighter (percentage meter and everything). Why should the fights against Giant Wario in Kirby's route or something similar be any different? – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 21:21, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

Because it's specifically set aside as the final opponent in the challenge, which is the bloody definition of video game boss? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:29, April 17, 2019 (EDT)


I was already planning on that. Thanks, though. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 16:27, April 19, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Paragoomba animation

From what I've seen, this is the most agreed-upon "correct" NES palette. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 00:34, April 21, 2019 (EDT)

That it is. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 00:45, April 21, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Joe & Mac

The previous name still violated consistency on multiple fronts, as we usually use the word "and", not an ampersand, when naming an article covering multiple characters. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 00:50, April 22, 2019 (EDT)

That's the official name of the game they star in, which is entirely different from what you mentioned. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 01:44, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
"Joe and Mac" is also used pretty consistently, though. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 01:50, April 22, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Jean de Fillet

The revisions have slight differences, so I can't exactly match up where each color goes. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 16:38, April 22, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Jellyfish artwork

I'd ask to BubbleRevolution, if he owns guides. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 03:25, April 24, 2019 (EDT)

Re:"Snaky Mom"

There isn't really anything obviously wrong with the Snaky Mom translation though. "Snake" in Japanese is 「ヘビ」 (hebi), not 「ヘビー」 (hebī), and 「マム」 (mamu) is a direct transliteration of the English "Mom" within the context of it laying eggs. To support this, even the English manual has the following description for Snake: "She multiplies by producing eggs. Watch out for trouble." The real issue seems to be the usage of "Snaky" over "Snake", but it seems to be the closest English equivalent for what the Japanese was going for; see Crabby Roller. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:00, April 24, 2019 (EDT)

Not really, in my opinion. "Hebī" is usually seen as a transliteration of "heavy" but the context here is obviously meant as a made-up or off-the-cuff derivative of "hebi", so it has no real definition to speak of, making "mom" the clear noun. There isn't necessarily anything wrong if "snaky" happens to be viewed an adjective as long as it is explained (as it needed to be) and gets the basic idea across, given other enemy names (Shy Guy, Flightless Goonie, etc.). If Snaky Mom goes, then so should Crabby Roller and examples like it to be consistent. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:35, April 24, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Koopa Troopa's page

We actually do the same to Super Mushroom and Super Star depending on the game (among others I'm sure). Like Koopa Troopa, the shorter Mushroom and Star forms are also used for broader pages. So if that's how it is, the consistent thing to do would be to treat Koopa on a game-by-game basis as well. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:08, April 24, 2019 (EDT)

I somehow missed your response earlier, but I forgot to mention that this practice in regards to Koopa Troopa is not new and is something that has already been established. It also seems like the usage of "Koopa" to explicitly refer to the broader turtle species is something that has diminished over time (albeit gradually), given the origin of Koopa as species appears to have been the result of mistranslation. I remembered another somewhat similar case: Chain Chomp and (chained) Chomps. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:25, April 29, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Super Mario Party images

Those artwork images are from Absent Minded. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 13:43, April 26, 2019 (EDT)


The reason i wasn't sure about what it was meant to be is possibly due to lack of spikes... Strange that their Japanese name use "Iga" despite not having spikes. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 12:49, April 29, 2019 (EDT)

Here's something to lighten up your day Results May Vary (talk) 18:03, May 1, 2019 (EDT)

Make it a second thing to lighten up your day: The layout is inspired from the SMB1 page on this wiki and the Wikipedia article itself. Results May Vary (talk) 20:01, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah why are the enemy, character, item, etc lists on separate pages? I dont understand Results May Vary (talk) 20:35, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
Also, sometimes Triforce Wiki may have short moments where i implement a feature. If there's an instance where you cannot edit or something doesnt look right on the wiki, chances are it's because i'm either updating the wiki or attempting to implement a feature. There probably won't be that much of it in future--mostly just during set up--there was initially a database when i implemented the WhosOnline code, but it didnt work the way I'd hoped, so I had to remove everything. Results May Vary (talk) 22:39, May 3, 2019 (EDT)

RE: SMM2 table

That's why they're placeholders. They're not supposed to depict the actual sprites from the game. They're temporary until we get the element icons, since they're close enough. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 05:29, May 9, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Clowns "and Jesters"

I thought about this myself before making the category, but I stuck with the "Clowns and Jesters" name to avoid any discrepancies, especially since jesting/buffoonery is an archaic occupation while clowning is more contemporary. I don't know if "clown" is a suitable umbrella term for "commedia dell'arte" entertainers, and Wikipedia really isn't clear on that. On one hand, the page for clowning notes jesters (more specifically, the court jesters/buffoons) as being the "ancestors" of clowns. On the other, their nav template for clowns lists all sorts of comic entertainers like jesters and mimes. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 09:00, May 11, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Darn this English translation conflation

It looks good to me. The only thing I'd change is the meaning of 「デグテール」 (Degutēru) as "Big Tail" - as far as I know, approximating "Degu" as "Big" was always a fanmade notion, sort of like saying that "Stal" is supposed to be Hylian for "Skull" or "Skeleton". In reality, it doesn't really mean anything in particular, and there hasn't been any official statement on it. Digdogger is 「デグドガ」 (Degudoga), so maybe "Digtail" would be better (not that either of them involve digging)? Maybe also leave the translation of Moldorm the same as the English name as well, since the original Japanese manual also officially rendered it as Moldorm. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:20, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

I wasn't even aware of the Barcode Battler II names, though now I'm wondering if that means Tail and Digtail ought to be Tale and Digtale ("Tail" works but may be a little too plain). In regards to Gohma - I don't have any Japanese materials for Twilight Princess, but quickly looking at Zelda Wiki, it appears Fizzle (talk) clarified that Young Gohma and Gohma Larva from Ocarina of Time are one and the same, and an online search indicates that the Japanese name for Baby Gohma is 「ゴーマベビー」 (Gōma Bebī), as opposed to Gohma Larva / Young Gohma which is 「幼生ゴーマ」 (Yōsei Gōma). Anyway, I suppose our Zelda discussions are apparently off-topic or disruptive, so I've decided to make an account on Triforce Wiki. As I say, I don't think I'll be able to make too many edits there for the foreseeable future, but I can check back every so often for anything else Zelda-related. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:40, May 12, 2019 (EDT)


What I'm getting at is that every single guide calls it the "Manta" (Nintendo Power: "manta"), so by our standards, we should be calling it the Manta in Super Mario Sunshine-related content. The Mario Golf series appearance (or lack thereof) is such a limited presence for a random name on a scoreboard with no image attached. If it was in more significant capacity it'd make perfect sense as the title, but I'm not so sure. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:16, May 15, 2019 (EDT)


I made a mistake, i was more focusing on the name than the section. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 03:48, May 16, 2019 (EDT)


In case you tell me not to, i will not edit snipe your Porcupuffer artwork ripping by any way. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 14:35, May 21, 2019 (EDT) Well the current one is a .jpg anyway, so... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:40, May 21, 2019 (EDT)

sorry about zelda wiki

Hi, sorry if triforce wiki is having technical problems. I'm trying my best to fix it. thanks Results May Vary (talk) 14:10, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

OK, wasn't sure if it was that or the frickhuge storm that I've been experiencing for the past few days. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:28, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
Alright wiki should be good to edit now Results May Vary (talk) 15:21, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Re: "That's the original SMW because it doesn't look horrendous"

Ah, I mixed up SMAS+SMW (which I didn't even know existed until now) with Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2. Those images are redundant, and the only difference is that one has Luigi and one Mechakoopa instead of two. They still show off the Koopa Clown Car, even without cropping. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 14:46, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

A quick question

Do i have the permission to ask to Mister Wu (talk) for Zen Hyakka scans? Note: Like i said above, i will not edit snipe your croppings no matter what. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 13:49, June 3, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Dark Tortoise English description

Names aren't always representative of what they actually are: for example, Kuribō isn't a chestnut, Buzzy Beetle isn't a beetle, Power Bee is definitely not a bee, etc. The fact that it's vaguely called a "water monster" in the English description tells me the translators used restaint when they could have easily gone all the way with the localization. Also, saying that it's based on kappa isn't the same thing as saying that it is kappa, so... LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:45, June 5, 2019 (EDT)

RE: This

My old screenshot used a buggy graphics plugin. In addition to some bad pixels around the HUD, it makes the images twice as big and not native N64 resolution. I changed to the angrylion plugin, which takes screenshots at native res and is the most accurate. The image still depicts Big Bully, it’s just more accurate to real N64 hardware now. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 12:37, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

About the email I sent you...

Hey there, Doc! Sorry to bother you, but I sent you an email a while back asking you if you could rip some sprites for me. Did you receive it? Power Flotzo (talk) 16:41, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I don't know, I can't find it. For the past several weeks, I've been preoccupied with trying to find a job (unsuccessfully). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:48, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
If it helps, the title of the email was "The Spriters Resource". Its gist was that I wanted you to rip some sprites for all the missing record cases in WarioWare Gold so that I could use them in preparation for some articles. Would you mind doing that for me? Power Flotzo (talk) 17:03, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Oh, I do not have the ROM for that game or a 3DS emulating program. My current moral standard is "don't emulate anything I don't own past the GBA" anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:29, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
*sigh* Well, I guess I'll just start a collaboration thread instead. Thanks anyway. Power Flotzo (talk) 17:36, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario world medal game

Would the super Mario world medal game that shadow2 posted happen to be one of borp's finds on arcade coverage on the Mario boards? Lord Falafel (talk) 18:46, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I don't know I only check like 7 threads on there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:57, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Artwork of an Attacky Sack from Yoshi's Story

Just so for you know. The extension has been moved to lowercase, so you can fix it in the header. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 02:26, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Not sure. The same thing is mentioned in the list of Super Smash Bros. Brawl pre-release and unused content, but it has a citation needed for claiming that the "most popular theory" is Forest Maze. I do remember that being a thing, though, with some rumors that Geno/Mallow was cut from the game and I think other people pointing out that Yoko Shimomura having worked on both Super Mario RPG and the Mario & Luigi series meant that there could have been some negotiation to use the track. Ultimately, it's speculation on cut content from a different series, and I don't know how widespread the idea still is. I'd bring it up on the talk page or ask an admin for an opinion on it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:40, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


It happens, sometimes, at the most unexpected moment. I also got edit conflicted in certain times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --FanOfYoshi Small heart 06:19, June 30, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, sorry bout that, I'm just super tired rn. I'll go to sleep now. Anyways, yeah, this was just an article in the NP magazine, which is still an official source, but not a strategy guide or anything. Given that it's usually called Banzai Bill, if the NP article calls it that, we could probably source priority exception it for that section. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:25, June 30, 2019 (EDT)

Dr. Peach

Sorry that was my fault. I didn't read the entire paragraph deep enough to see it.--TheGreenBeetle (talk) 15:53, June 30, 2019 (EDT)

It's OK, but when was "Nurse Peach" used? I don't remember that one? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:56, June 30, 2019 (EDT)
As far as I know, Nurse Peach never actually appeared in any Dr. Mario games, just illustrations on booklets I think.--TheGreenBeetle (talk) 20:47, June 30, 2019 (EDT)
I mean the name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:52, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
That, I'm not so sure about.--TheGreenBeetle (talk) 13:23, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
Then I'm going to remove it, as the materials featuring her were quite old. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:07, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

Mystery House Smash Bros. references

As I've mentioned three times now, it's only prevalent in the English version. All other languages (except for European Portuguese) don't even use the "Melee" and "Brawl" terms at all, which is why I said that those references may have been coincidences. Even in Japanese, when both games are labelled "DX" and "X" for Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl, respectively. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 18:38, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

Who cares? Localizations make their own references all the time. It's like how in the Spanish TTYD, Rawk Hawk mentions Super Smash Bros. Melee by name, which is not in any other translation. Saying "it's coincidence because it's not in the Japanese name" is asinine. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:41, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Mini Pig Poppo

All right, I just confirmed (in the GameCube version at least) that you just bounce off the black ones if you walk into them after stunning with a clap, but you can either clap or jump on top of the white ones to send them in the air, at which point you can bump into them to perform a punch. I guess it's a bit faster to just clap the white ones into the air. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:41, July 4, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Pokemon Trainer

The description only mentions Ash being a Trainer and references the anime theme song. The Trainer in Smash is Red. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 05:37, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

Triforce Wiki comment

Hi Doc, I want you to read a message I sent to you on Triforce Wiki. It's a bit important Results May Vary (talk) 15:34, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Unused final boss dialogue from MLSS

Hey. In case you haven't noticed, when I was checking on Yoshi Magic on the script viewer, I was able to find unused dialogue that seemed like Bowser's soul pleading the Mario Bros. to defeat Cackletta's soul so that he can kidnap Peach (making these words more confirmable that those quotes would've been said by Bowser). Anyways, I tried asking for conformation in here, but unfortunately, I felt that just trying to confirm stuff in regular talk pages feels kinda ignorant. I just feel I found something in the game's code that I should list in the unused category. Do you think this is acceptable or should I give in more information?

--Bio of me.ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

recent FNC

The file formerly known as "Come out to play.png" that is used on your userpage has been moved. Sincerely, Klonkey Klong - 20:26, July 18, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Lil problem

Actually the issue is because i got free dedicated IP address (free with the hosting plan i have) for the wikis they say requires 4 to 12 hours for the DNS to propagate globally or something. i'll try checking tomorrow morning. Results May Vary (talk) 01:54, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Okay, it works now, this time for real Results May Vary (talk) 10:30, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

SMAGPB6 Cheep Chomp

FYI, the transparent one got deleted, with being reuploaded on the onn-transparent one. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 05:34, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

Spriters Resource


I saw that you are a member of VG Resource. I don't know if you will accept it, but you could put the DKC3 tilesets on Spriters Resource? Ripped by me. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2019 (EDT)

I had done it, but I don't know how to put the material. I wish someone would give me instructions for this. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 12:27, 31 July 2019 (EDT)

There's only one problem. When I did a login correctly, came a warning saying You cannot submit to the site. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2019 (EDT)

Yes, here. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 00:21, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

Re: Recent SM64-based edits

Actually, the Amp does have lips as seen here. For the Pokey, i'll take a better shot ASAP, I.E., if i find a good shot. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 03:39, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Another note for the Pokey, is that i had a doubt about wether certain emulators have alteration other than the controls. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 08:51, August 3, 2019 (EDT)


Didn't get a closer look at their usernames, thanks. Further research shows they're the same user. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 05:46, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

Chuck Quizmo's final show

Hi, long time no see. Before I begin, I'd like to let you know that I watched "The Decayer App" (I just now experienced nirvana and figured out that its name is a corruption of "DK Rap") and couldn't stop laughing, and I've shared it with some of my friends. I hope you've also been getting your fix of YouTube Poops. I recommend you watch "Grandma Dies by a Reindeer v2.0" by Trudermark. He's a pretty consistently funny creator although he's not as active these days. A lot of his YTPs contain music or other references to the Paper Mario games, which is nice.

Also, Idk if it's just me, but every time I play through Paper Mario and get all of Chuck Quizmo's questions right, the last quiz is held on Star Haven. Is there any way to actually verify that? Does anyone know his algorithm? Hmmm... Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 23:09, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

I mean I suppose playing through the game and seeing would be the best way, it's been a while since I've played through that. Also good to hear. Anyways right now I'm readjusting to college, so not sure how effective I'll be on here for the time being. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:59, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
Law school is wrecking me as well so I understand. Good luck! Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 13:07, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Stamp file names

Funny you should ask, I was planning to tell you after I could see if I can check a few other names. Unfortunately, my hunch was off: content/Heri2/cmn/miiverse/HankoTgaUSEU.zlarc/Hanko_SMB3_PukupukuBig.tga (and I can confirm it's the same in NES Remix Pack as well). So, other things of note is that it also refers to the Big Koopa Troopa with Hanko_SMB3_NokonokoBig.tga and, checking Ultimate NES Remix for 3DS, refers to Big Goomba with 0000.00000000/romfs/emu/Crsm/SMB3_ATK_BIGKURIBO01_W4_1_SUPERMARIO.Crsm and Sledge Bro with SMB3_M_ATK_FATBROS_W4.Crsm (I assume these files are basically the same but the compression is different). My first thought is that "Big" was referring to the updated Deka names of the enemies, but after seeing a translation of Sledge Bro's old Japanese name, I think they're just translating Kyodai that way instead of "Giant", or it's just shorter and simpler for them to do so. Then again, there does seem to be a slight mix of new and regional names in the 3DS directory, like the odd reference to PARTHENA / ICARUS, BUBBLE / PODOBOO, and SHADOWLINK in filenames (also localized HORSEHEAD, HELMETHEAD, and BARBA). The game text itself does use most modern names where applicable (e.g. referring to Pauline instead of Lady, at least in the English translation), but as far as I'm aware, the fish isn't directly named anywhere else. So unless a more substantial connection comes along, I'm afraid there's not much to add to the topic for now. (I did have half a mind to bring up English Encyclopedia in the merge proposal, but that would have really opened up a can of worms.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:00, August 30, 2019 (EDT)

I forgot that Boss Bass was also a predecessor of sorts to the modern Big Cheep Cheep, so that could also explain PukupukuBig. Still, I think that's a harder sell for merging than with Cheep Chomp, though - remember, Big Bertha and Bubba were reorganized after previous attempts. Though don't let that discourage you if you intend to make a new proposal. I just want to poke around a bit more to see if I can find more evidence before bringing up the idea of reproposing. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:13, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
That reminds me, you wanted to incorporate the Yoshi's Story Blurp into one of these pages as well. You can point out the fact that in addition to being generically referred to as a Pukupuku elsewhere in the game (misread as Buku Buku, Blurp, in English), the Japanese Message Block header describes them as 「おおきな プクプク」 (Ōkina Pukupuku, "Large Cheep Cheep"), and the Super Circuit design is effectively an edited version of the Blurp sprite. Actually, it'd help support the idea that such an evolution took place (that and Bubba and a same-sized Yoshi's Story fish appear together in Mario Golf, which would work against merging the Blurp with Cheep Chomp). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:38, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
We'd probably need guide references to be absolutely sure about it, but I'm leaning towards considering the background ones Big Blurps, since given the distance they seem much larger than the one that appears in the same game's awards ceremony. I'm not completely sure about the Mario Golf Cheep Cheep since the general shape and shared size with Bubba suggests to me that it's Big Blurp, but it seems likelier in retrospect that Mario's Star Hole depicts an average Cheep Cheep given the entire lineup represents more traditional elements, so the simpler explanation might be that Bubba was just shrunken to a regular Cheep Cheep's size in that game. Do you think these look closer to the Yoshi's Story Cheep Cheep or Big Blurp? The one in Mario Kart DS is definitely Bakubaku as confirmed by the filename, but I agree with the Mario Kart 64 one as Boss Bass for now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:38, September 18, 2019 (EDT)
So the eye designs of both the Super Circuit background ones and the Mario Golf ones are closer to the basic Yoshi's Story Cheep Cheep. How about their general body shape? It might be just be me, but due to the in-game sprite compression in Yoshi's Story, it seems like regular Cheep Cheeps proportionally have shorter body length as well as a shorter dorsal fin that isn't any higher than the eyes like the big variant. If we take that into account, then it looks like the Cheep Cheeps of these games are all based on Big Blurp, but again, it could just be that the regular Cheep Cheep's sprites were originally shrunken at an off size, which would also explain why the eyes seem a bit different. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:19, September 18, 2019 (EDT)
SmokedChili admittedly brings up a good point about the text box spacing, so I'd hold off on that until further notice, although I agree with the Message Block at least describing the same exact role. In the meantime, I believe we can go ahead with moving the Mario Kart 64, Mario Golf, and Super Circuit appearances. I also want to say that, while I currently believe the "Boss Bass" from Yoshi's Island DS to be a localization change, there is one loose end in that I have yet to check that game's filename. To be honest, Mister Wu (talk) or Hiccup (talk) might be the ones to ask right now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:39, September 19, 2019 (EDT)
It could be meant in a general sense, like the name of Blurps / Pukupuku in Yoshi's Story being shared with Cheep Cheeps, or that Super Mario Maker 2 course that describes Cheep Cheeps but doesn't actually have regular Cheep Cheeps in it. That, or the background artist just wasn't conscious about its size. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:18, September 19, 2019 (EDT)
I guess, technically, but that makes it incongruent with the Red Blurp and Blue Blurp names, so I'd maybe get some consensus first. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:43, September 19, 2019 (EDT)
If Mario Golf info is moved out of the article, then Super Circuit info can alternatively be merged with Big Cheep Cheep, with the rationale that the Blurp article contains Red Blurp and Blue Blurp's appearance together. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:06, September 19, 2019 (EDT)
I think the simplest explanation is that the title Cheep-Cheep Island was meant broadly instead of intended as the name of that specific Cheep Cheep, though if we're taking designs into account, the Mario Kart 64 appearance can probably be considered a Big Cheep Cheep instead of Boss Bass until a merge happens. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:06, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
It is big_pukupuku in New Super Mario Bros., pukupuku_large in New Super Mario Bros. 2, e_dekapukupuku and e_dekapukupuku02 in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, and is seemingly shared with pukupuku in New Super Mario Bros. Wii and New Super Mario Bros. U. Oddly enough, Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. does not separately list appearances of Big Cheep Cheep after New Super Mario Bros. (even though Big Deep Cheep has its own entry for New Super Mario Bros. 2), which may be connected to them sharing the same files and having a reduced size in the console games. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:10, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
I've said this earlier, but given the presence of Fat Bros. in Ultimate NES Remix, it's entirely possible that the Super Mario Bros. 3-related filenames from NES Remix 2 simply rendered Kyodai as "Big", so it may not be as conclusive as thought. Something I noticed recently is that Cheep Chomp is described as 「巨大なプクプク」 here, which seems like a reference to Boss Bass. While the game listings in Super Mario Pia are questionable, I've no reason to doubt the actual descriptions so far, so I've asked Mister Wu if there are more profiles that consider Cheep Chomp to be a giant-sized Cheep Cheep. I'd hold off on moving Mario Golf info, because if Cheep Chomps are supposed to be giant Cheep Cheeps and they're the same size as the game's Cheep Cheeps (actually slightly smaller), that could change things. LinkTheLefty (talk) 03:27, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
You sure? I checked Super Mario 64 DS, and Cheep Cheep looks smaller than Cheep Chomp there at least, though it's possible that it was resized later. Seems like an odd thing to change. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:36, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
Cheep Cheep's pretty big in Super Mario 64 DS as well, but as seen here, Cheep Chomp looks quite a bit bigger when next to Mario (even with its mouth closed). LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:50, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
I can confirm it's not perspective: via SM64DSe, I added Cheep Cheep to Tiny-Huge Island and did a side-by-side comparison with Cheep Chomp, and there is definitely a noticeable size difference when they are shown next to each other as seen here (Cheep Cheep is in front of Cheep Chomp). LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:45, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
Maybe. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the N64 editors are as robust at a glance, and I don't know of any model rips to directly compare quicky. So in lieu of that, we'll have to roughly compare how it looks in N64 gameplay compared to the DS version. I was pretty sure that the article was referring to the enemy AI, though I don't remember it being particularly different. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:18, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
Nevermind, I found that Toad's Tool 64 gives me similar results. While Cheep Cheep's graphics apparently weren't intended to appear in Tiny-Huge Island, the yellow box on top of Cheep Chomp is its collision data in the preview here, so the size changed very little if at all. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:48, September 23, 2019 (EDT)
It's certainly possible they had Buku Buku in mind when naming Bakubaku, give they (were) both Pukupuku derivatives with eyewear. I have my own speculation too - perhaps the reason why Cheep Chomp only makes a cameo in Super Mario Maker 2 is as part of a self-aware development gag since its attributes directly went to Porcupuffer, almost as if it's thinking, "hey, shouldn't I be an enemy in this game instead?" Since Porcupuffer was basically a Big Cheep Cheep in 3D Land/World, its behavior necessitated a change, and they probably opted to leave Cheep Chomp out of the other styles in an effort to make the Super Mario 3D World style more unique (regrettable since it might've made a decision on this more clear-cut, but there's always DLC or the next game). LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:38, September 23, 2019 (EDT)
Well, Porky or no Pokey, Mister Wu got back to me about Yoshi's Island DS and it seems that, going off audio files so far, the game does definitively consider it to be BakuBaku... I can't think of anything else possibly of interest to check at this point. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:45, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
The in-game cast roll identifies it as Cheep Cheep, but it (and Mario Party, somewhat) does show that Boss Bass behavior is loose. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:30, October 11, 2019 (EDT)
Good point. I think it's safe to take it as regular Cheep Cheep, which would make it more in line with the other Star Holes being more traditional. I guess we can consider the in-game one to be Cheep Cheep as well, with Bubba as the one that is off-model. The Cheep Cheep of this game only appears in one size anyway. Meanwhile, I think we can also consider the original Banshee Boardwalk fish to be Big Cheep Cheep until we figure out the Boss Bass / Big Cheep Cheep / Cheep Chomp situation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:14, November 3, 2019 (EST)
I found text for them here and (partially) here - looks like they're still called Cheep Cheeps. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)

Well, きな modifies 大 slightly, so leaving it as "big" like dai and deka doesn't look right to me (though I was also thinking of changing the translation of dai to a synonym as well so some translation boxes don't look as redundant). Specifically, I go with "large" because the New Super Mario Bros. U filename for 「大きなファイアバー」 (Ōkina Faiabā, Huge Fire Bar) is firebar_L. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)

I just noticed that the New Super Mario Bros. U filename for 「大きなレンガブロック」 (Ōkina Renga Burokku, Big Block) is big_renga_block, so if you feel like ōkina should match dai and deka, you can go ahead and change it back, and we can consider kyodai to be the exception. On the topic of the Cheep Cheeps - another way of looking at things is that all three articles already have merges, with Boss Bass & Big Bertha, 64/Golf Bubba & Cheep Chomp, and Yoshi's Story Blurp having both Red Blurp & Blue Blurp. Part of the reason for the latter is because Red Blurp is too similar to Boss Bass by itself, and keeping it with Blue Blurp provides an easy way to distinguish it. Any more now and I think we will risk pushing buttons, especially since there are also some considerations brought up for a Boss Bass / Cheep Chomp merge instead of it being clear-cut Boss Bass / Big Cheep Cheep / Blurp. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:28, November 7, 2019 (EST)


The image that you just moved to File:SMG Undergrunt angry.png is a new image that I just uploaded to replace File:SMG Undergrunt Angry.jpg, the one you originally put back in the article a few hours ago. These are different images, and in the new one, the Undergrunt is not angry, hence the move to the more accurate filename after I mistakenly uploaded the new file to the old filename. You are correct, it's the Deep Dark Galaxy, not the Drip Drop Galaxy. No, this was not me getting back at you for undoing my previous edit. This was me understanding my mistake from earlier and uploading a new file that properly depicts the Undergrunt, albeit not an angry one. As it stands, File:SMG Undergrunt angry.png is an inaccurate name for the new file, and File:SMG Deep Dark Undergrunt Gunner.png is a possible correct name. --Super Mario Fan 67 (TCS) 22:03, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

Fair enough. I'll get a picture of an angry Undergrunt. --Super Mario Fan 67 (TCS) 22:08, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

What counts as a boss in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?

A very similar message was previously posted on Alex95's talk page, but I'm posting here too. Now, here's my reasonings on what counts and doesn't count as a boss in Smash Bros. Ultimate:

  1. Giga Bowser, Galleom, Dharkon, Galeem, Marx, Dracula, Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Rathalos and Ganon have health bars at the top of the screen, which aren't the same as damage percentages or the Stamina mode health bars.
  2. The above bosses don't have the announcer say "Ready? Go!" at the start of the battle. This only applies to regular character encounters, which the Giant Donkey Kong and Palutena and the Metal Mario encounters are. This also applies for Mega Man's final round to a lesser extent.
  3. The "so-called" bosses at the end of Classic Mode (those being a Giant Donkey Kong, a Giant Palutena and a Metal Mario) have none of these things. Not only that, they just use a permanent Super Mushroom or Metal Box, just like other opponents found in other character's Classic Modes (like Kirby fighting a Giant Yoshi and a Giant Wario or the Dragon Quest Hero fighting a Giant Charizard after defeating Robin for his final round).
  4. Not to mention, those "so-called" bosses aren't treated differently by the game at all. They are treated the same as a regular playable character before the battle begins. For example, in Kirby's Classic Mode, he has to fight a Giant Yoshi in Round 2 and a Giant Wario in Round 4. Before the battles, there's nothing that indicates the opponents are going to be giant-sized until after it starts. Same with the "so-called" bosses (although in Bowser's case, the Metal-Boxed Mario spawns after the regular Mario is defeated).
  5. In the same point, your reasoning is flawed. "They're bosses." No, they're not. If the game does not treat them as such and treats them like a playable character in a Mega or Metal Smash in Custom Smash, then they don't count as bosses under any circumstance. If every giant or metal rival in Classic Mode was a boss, then every single one fought in that mode would be on the template when in actuality, the bosses with health bars at the top of the screen should be the only ones on there in the first place.
  6. The actual bosses in Classic Mode, depending on which character is selected, are not always fought for the final round. Some characters fight the boss before the final round (Mega Man, Bowser and the Hero come to mind); the actual final round for some characters is against a regular character or two regular characters, one after another (Bowser, Mega Man, Jigglypuff and Bayonetta come to mind there too).

Those are my reasonings as to why Giga Bowser, Galleom, Dharkon, Galeem, Marx, Dracula, Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Rathalos and Ganon are considered bosses and why Giant DK, Giant Palutena and Metal Mario should not be considered bosses.Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 13:31, September 7, 2019 (EDT)

I noticed you did that. But what I mostly noticed is that you undid Alex's edits before posting that on there, which you by all accounts should not have done. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:09, September 7, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding the Yoshi's Story snake TPP

Hello. If you're seeing this, I've updated the proposal with another option and tried to neaten/clarify things a bit more, and I'm sending you and other voters this message in order to inform you of the changes, as courtesy dictates (and especially if you might want to change your vote). Thank you and good day. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 00:04, September 10, 2019 (EDT)


Well it's a page that mentions Wiggler in the Super Mario World section, but it's a completely different description, and wouldn't even fit in the box anyway. It almost seems like a parody of Goolgenerade (talk) too. I'd say pics or it didn't happen. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:08, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

RE: singular subjects

Technically, no, "Nintendo of America" can never be used as a plural subject referring to all individual members within it. By the same token, "group", "audience", and "board of directors" are all singular subjects (so "The group walk together" is incorrect; "The group walks together" is correct. "The audience claps when the show ends." "The Board of Directors is a very refined group of individuals.") In order to make it a plural subject, you would have to say "the employees of Nintendo of America" or something similar. ("The group members walk together." "The audience members clap when the show ends." "The members of the Board of Directors are very refined individuals.") In casual conversation, it really doesn't matter, but as an encyclopedia, MarioWiki should always strive for excellence in its articles. (Alternatively: the members of MarioWiki should always strive for excellence in their articles.) 16:55, September 13, 2019 (EDT)


The selfish part of the rule was: If you can't handle certain subject matter being professionally addressed on the wiki, that's your problem, not ours in try to impose their personal beliefs and moral values on the wiki and its users.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 16:07, September 21, 2019 (EDT)


Maybe it's for franchise wiki types for mature rating. I don't omit that, exist these sites.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 16:07, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

Yes. People swear all the time, in public too. Yes, swearing can 'sometimes be used for offensive purposes. But swearing can also be used to express yourself, such as in frustration where "agh" isn't suitable. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 16:43, September 21, 2019 (EDT)


The file formerly known as Blooperghoul.png has been moved to File:SMS Blooper Artwork.png. It is used on your project page. Trig - 17:30, September 24, 2019 (EDT)

The same applies to File:Cheep-Cheep Sunshine Art.png, which is now File:Cheep Cheep Sunshine Art.png. Trig - 17:34, September 24, 2019 (EDT)
But they was called Cheep-Cheeps with a hyphen then.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:36, September 24, 2019 (EDT)
I was probably in the wrong with cheep hyphen cheep, but not with File:LM Unused Bad Ending Model.png being the new LM-Endingbad.png guess who - 21:51, September 26, 2019 (EDT)
Except it's not a model, it's a prerendered sprite. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:12, September 26, 2019 (EDT)
it is me again. I moved File:SM2Adv-enemie-Phanto.png to File:SMA Phanto Artwork.png. It is used on your project page. Trig - 13:06, October 29, 2019 (EDT)

Image sources

There was actually talks a while back in admin discussion about making the source mandatory (basically if there's no source they get put up for deletion), but I'm on board with this idea. Though instead of a gallery, my suggestion would be tagging them with something like {{image source}} which then stores them into Category:Image source needed (unless that's what you meant). Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 07:06, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

I got that part, I was suggesting a category instead of a gallery. Though the Ninji one seems to have come from Nintendo Power according to its article. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 21:47, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Re:garding the snakes

I'm not familiar with how the Japanese Super Mario Advance manual organizes the enemy info, but I do know that the ending cast roll of all versions uses the western Super Mario Bros. 2 names, and game materials used transliterations accompanying the previous names (Cobra[t] is one of the handful that isn't really a precise match, along with Bob-omb and Albatoss). I imagine there are probably some Japanese fans nostalgic for the English-made, Mario-originated names, and that might very well include the Super Mario Ball developers. In that game, the enemy looks pretty much exactly like a green 3D render of the original 2D sprite, so I find it unlikely that the design and name would be a coincidence. The projectile seems like it would be fairly obvious to include, but it could just be that it did not match the game design (same with the Mario Kart appearance, which looks even less like the original Cobrat but is almost undoubtedly a reference given the context, likely to both versions). Overall, I don't think the reason to split the page is sufficient, especially since it can be argued to split it three ways for similar reasons. As for Bumbler, it's similar but has several key differences - note the antennae, Zinger-like eyes, shoes and stinger - and like the old Batton / Enigma debate, I don't think it can legally be the same because I'm fairly certain Square Enix owns all or most of the content new to Super Mario RPG. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:45, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Pokey and Shy Guy have had their Doki Doki Panic names well established as series standard by then, whereas Cobrat hadn't appeared in any other game except re-releases, so someone on the development team could have been allowed to take liberties. Actually, now that I look into it, the main developers of Super Mario Ball were actually British, so the entire reason it became the "western" Cobra in Japanese might have been as a joking reference to the fact that it's also a western-developed game. Snake, on the other hand, could just be chalked up to one of several one-off names by Nintendo Power. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:15, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Pauline's new render.

I noticed you changed Pauline's render on the Super Mario page back to Odyssey and you commented "Why an image from a Mario Kart game?" But isn't Daisy's render from a Mario Kart game as well????

Re: MKT Rosetta

Probably, but if they're renaming the files in the first place, why not use the English names? I could've uploaded my Mario Maker 2 sprites like SMM2 Teresa SM3DW icon, but I didn't because that would be confusing. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 13:57, September 28, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Spiny Dream Course

Did the KRR sprite come from TSR? KRR last updated their page in 2003, which is when TSR launched. Anyway, I figured it should be uploaded mostly to make the art evolution more visible (note the shape is closer to KA but the color is closer to KDL3). We could just tag it for reupload in the meantime. I'm not sure if the KA artwork is optimal either - it's crammed with other enemies in the art book, so hopefully a scan of the original guide book would be a better source. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:42, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

Do you think the WiKirby rip is more accurate (manual and video for comparison)? We could replace it with that; if not, let's mark it for reupload. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:11, October 1, 2019 (EDT)
Probably not, given it seems to be applied incorrectly in the KRR upload, but agreed. I'll replace the KDC sprite (and the KA artwork, since I found guide scans). LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:14, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Alarm Clock

What about the giant spear man? When it appears, the "goal" theme is also played instead of the standard end-of-a-chapter boss theme, yet it's considered a mini-boss. Of course, it can just be considered a special object like the giant faucet instead of a boss or enemy, given it has no way to actually hinder Wario unlike the rest of the enemies in the game. Even an inanimate spike is more of a threat. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:55, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

These rocks (from the Game Boy version) come immediately to mind, but I believe other types of obstacles use the graphic as well. I'd be in favor of just reclassifying it as an obstacle, especially since I'm fairly certain it's not considered an enemy or boss in the guidebook scans I've come across, and the only thing going for it is the fact that it has a face (which many otherwise inanimate objects do in this franchise). LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:00, October 7, 2019 (EDT)
It doesn't use the limbs in any meaningful capacity, though (well, it can stand back up after being knocked down, but I feel that's more a stylistic quirk - even in the first cutscene, it's tossed into place off-screen, not walking there of its own volition like the rest of the gang). LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:14, October 7, 2019 (EDT)


Since it's been roughly seven-sixths of a year since I last last proposed something for the Dinosaur page, I'd like to get your input on this. Since the proposal was vetoed, the Mario Kart series information has been split into Nossie, and the film info is already covered at Dinohattanite. That said, you also expressed something about the T-Rex's partners from the Super Mario World TV series. Would it be prudent to split those into separate articles, or should something else happen? Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 09:31, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

Cheep cheeps

Hi. You undid my edit on greens appearing in more than the one level because the paragraph states they appear in ground levels too, but I reread it and it doesn't mention anything about them appearing in ground levels or even other levels. It's worded as though they are exclusive to 3-5 and I ultimately just removed that part. What was the issue? Pallukun (talk) 17:13, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Blocks and talk pages

That's why I added the link on the block summary. Samus costume, in Super Mario Maker. Mario JC 00:07, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

RE:MKT character images

Everything I upload it ripped straight from the game. SwampyGator (talk) 21:02, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

Sunshine King Boo merge to Big Boo talk

Would you like me to make a Talk Page Proposal about merging the Sunshine King Boo to Big Boo? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 22:39, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

Boss Bass

Do you think it's time for a/the proposal? We have enough consensus to debate about it. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:22, October 31, 2019 (EDT)

I think all the points have been made, but I reeeeally want to get the sysops to see things my way on this before proposing anything on this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:34, October 31, 2019 (EDT)
Ah, i see. Idk what will Porplemontage think about it though. --FanOfYoshi Small heart 04:43, October 31, 2019 (EDT)
Probably doesn't matter, he's not active in these matters. He wanted Bub to stay split from Cheep Cheep until he learned that the JP names were properly sourced (tho TBH Mario Party 2-3 should be proof enough for that...) Anyways I'm going to sleep for the night. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:47, October 31, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Big Boss Bertha

I thought I made my points clear enough. Some of which you disputed, but these points I feel are still valid:

  • Boss Bass and Big Cheep Cheep do not act the same way. They are both visually different and have different methods of defeating the player character. The Big Cheep Cheep simply acts like a big Cheep Cheep, though it has some additional abilities of its own in some games, while Boss Bass is capable of eating the player character, something Big Cheep Cheep does not do.
  • I'd hardly call the Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo Power guide "out of date", considering it is afaik the most recent appearance of both of them aside from rereleases. They are two distinct characters in the guide, Boss Bass being male and Big Bertha being female, and both have different methods of defeating the player characters.
  • The point of them all having the same Japanese name does not matter. I feel like even if this was a Japanese wiki, they would all still have their own articles. They all have different appearances, attacks, and English names, that basing a merge on their Japanese name is silly and will end up as a mess.
  • Even though it doesn't share the same Japanese name, Cheep Chomp has a better precedent for being merged with Boss Bass than Big Cheep Cheep does.

Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:09, November 2, 2019 (EDT)

Make the proposal. This is just going to go back and forth otherwise. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 20:28, November 2, 2019 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure I did address your points, and you addressed mine. Having the same name in Japanese doesn't make a difference when they have two different abilities and have different names in English. Yeah, they can share a sprite/palette, but so do many many Goombas and Koopas. It's not uncommon for one enemy to look like another, yet have a completely different name and ability.
You have been asked/told to just go ahead with the proposal to better solidify what needs to happen. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm sorry, today has been very busy and aggravating that I'm really just kind of tired of arguing with people today... Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 21:11, November 2, 2019 (EDT)
I'll think it over some more when my mind is clearer and get back to you. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 21:22, November 2, 2019 (EDT)
...Yeah, that was one of my problems for today... Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 21:48, November 2, 2019 (EDT)

I don't have anything to say about the two sharing the same name in Japanese, however the English localizers likely gave them different names because of their actions. That's just speculation on my part, but as a game developer myself, that makes total sense to me. Doesn't look like they took the same route for the Cheep Cheep, which also makes sense. I can't justify their actions, and I'm not denying they share a Japanese name, but the naming thing was probably just completely arbitrary for English. This is for both Big Bertha and Big Cheep Cheep.
Name aside, can you tell me when Big Cheep Cheeps and Boss Basses have shared the same attacks? Because I've never seen them use the same moves. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:57, November 3, 2019 (EST)

Alright, fair enough, I don't know why they didn't just use Cheep Chomp from Super Mario 64. Still, those are spin-off titles, where characters tend to act differently than they normally would in the main games. That's not really a solid connection. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 16:10, November 3, 2019 (EST)
"Most things are spinoffs"
...I think you are trying way too hard here to justify merging obviously different entities based on their shared Japanese name. Also, you said this about Sunshine yourself: "the statement is that all SMS enemies are mad(e) from goop." Which would mean that they might not share the same traits as their regular counterparts and be completely different subjects. This would include the Cheep Cheep that tries to eat Mario, as no other regular sized Cheep Cheep has been shown to do that. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:15, November 3, 2019 (EST)
I don't know what more I can add to this conversation that I haven't already said. The English names are different, the appearances are different, and eating the player character is not an action that is commonly associated with basic Cheep Cheeps, no matter the size. The Yoshi's Story point I think is true, I'm pretty sure it's regarded as a main title within the Yoshi's Island series. I'm on the fence about Blurp, but it's a no for me about Boss Bass. I think if these articles were merged together, it'd be a messy article trying to cover multiple subjects that can stand on their own. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 01:01, November 4, 2019 (EST)
I can read things just fine, I like the background :^)
Okay, but Big Cheep Cheeps aren't shown to spit their offspring at the player. I'm saying there are too many different characteristics between the already merged Boss Bass/Big Bertha article and the Big Cheep Cheep article than there are similarities. Also, just because a subject has been replaced doesn't mean it's undeserving of its own article.
I'll talk more tomorrow, it's late. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 01:19, November 4, 2019 (EST)
At this point, we're talking in circles. I know Boss Bass is a derived species of Cheep Cheep, which is why it resembles one, but its abilities can make its article stand on its own. If you really want a solid direction to be decided, you should make that proposal, as I am not the only one that disagrees with this. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 10:37, November 4, 2019 (EST)


What proposals do you have in mind? Regarding Boss Bass, I'm mostly neutral at the moment. I really don't mean to be fence-sitting, but I can see where both the prospective merges with Cheep Chomp or Big Cheep Cheep are coming from, so I'm starting to think we should play it safe for a while longer. We already see notions to resplit Big Bertha from Boss Bass in response, and I imagine Bubba from Cheep Chomp wouldn't be that far behind afterward, which is giving me second thoughts about moving forward with another merge proposal at the current juncture. Hope you understand. Regarding King Boo, it seems correct (may look again later); however, I also think the "Big Boo (boss)" article should be addressed. If there is already a boss article, could that King Boo and potentially other Big Boo bosses be merged with that article, or should these Big Boos have separate articles as bosses? Either way, I feel it would just be inconsistent to merge the Super Mario Sunshine King Boo while still leaving the Super Mario World Big Boo boss unaccounted for. By the way...what did I miss on the Zelda wiki front? Did something wrong happen during the Zeldapedia and Triforce Wiki merge? LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:14, November 3, 2019 (EST)

With Boss Bass, there's probably always going to be some lingering doubt after merging (i.e. "should it have merged the other way?"). With Big Boo, I think something should be done about it as well - could make it the same proposal even. The rest I think I can work with. About Zelda...I don't really need to know about the drama, but what I do want to know is if the wiki is only down temporarily. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:50, November 3, 2019 (EST)
Yes, Big Boo boss and King Boo Sunshine can safely be put in the same proposal I think. As I say, I think I can assist with the rest - though I should mention that, regarding Gold Bowser Statue, "Gold" enemies seem to be exempt from how we usually handle color variantions, and regarding Lightfish, it's possible, albeit unlikely, that Glimmer might have been localization since English is the language of origin in this case (it's a good idea to contact one of the developers for definitive answers on this and other Rare questions); regarding Bin, I agree with splitting now since I no longer stand by keeping the object and enemy merged, because that was when we kept foreign articles to a more strict minimum. Anyway, I'm relieved that at least one of the wikis will be safe - when I saw that they were both down, I remembered how I was the one who rationalized merging Triforce Wiki with Zeldapedia, and thought whatever happened was my fault. Let me know when it's back if I miss it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:40, November 3, 2019 (EST)
True. Also, Boo in a Box was something I've been meaning to get around, so I'll be sure to add to the discussion later. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:53, November 3, 2019 (EST)

Re:Oyakata Teresa

I'll try to explain what I found shortly on the talk page, but regarding the dialog, check Big Boo's Japanese speech - it only refers to itself as oyakata, not Oyakata Teresa / Big Boo. Speaking of Boos, isn't King Boo technically a Big Boo? LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:00, November 6, 2019 (EST)

I mean, in general. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was still just slightly bigger than a regular Boo in the first Luigi's Mansion. Size is inconsistent, but he's definitely a Big Boo in Super Mario 64 DS and even bigger in Super Princess Peach. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)
Might have to compare the models at some point to be sure; also not sure how he compares in every spinoff. so it could be a Bowser situation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:28, November 7, 2019 (EST)

Re:Japanese Bob-omb

I haven't heard of this before, so that's interesting! Page 38 has the 「ボム兵」 (Bomuhei) profile, which reads as follows:

いている姿はかわいいが、すと要注意仲間までぶっばすぞ。よーくるとどこかでたことがあるなぁ。」 (Its walking looks cute, but be very careful when it flashes. It even blows away companions. Take a nice look and you have seen it somewhere.)

It looks like the localization translated the first two sentences rather well, but instead of translating the third sentence and using a new name for the Mario franchise it opted to simplify it with the same name previously used in Super Mario Bros. 2 to get the same point across (keep in mind that the game would be a few years away in Japan, so Bob-omb technically didn't appear in a Mario property there yet). That leaves the question of why Super Mario USA didn't also reuse the new name, but I presume that's for consistency with Doki Doki Panic since Japan wasn't nearly as coy about it being a rebranded Mario version of the same game at the time (it's even mentioned up-front on the back of the box). Also note that the new Mario name may have been intentionally modeled after 「ヘイホー」 (Heihō), further hinting at the Yume Kōjō connection. I'm curious to find out if its Super Mario USA description changed from the Doki Doki Panic one in response. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:23, November 20, 2019 (EST)

Yes, the text seems closer to the keyless ones, although it pictures both types. The English version also mentions that it explodes "destroying everything around him" when the Japanese version specifically mentions its allies. I have news on the manual front though: Nintendo has PDFs available on their website, I believe uploaded for the Virtual Console and Classic Mini/Edition re-releases. Here they are chronologically, with some more thrown in for comparison:
Note that pages for Doki Doki Panic are out of order, which is presume is because it was scanned unstapled for some reason, and I couldn't find the Super Mario Collection Special Pack manual. It strikes me that the layout is a bit different in the Super Mario USA manual next to previous versions, and that they have begun to recolor the artwork even before All-Stars (note Princess's earrings). Interestingly, only Super Mario Bros. 2 lists all of the enemies; Doki Doki Panic is missing a handful (though it adds a gray Shy Guy) and Super Mario USA leaves out even more, and Collection and All-Stars Limited Edition have a similar lineup to the latter; while some of the descriptions are slightly different, Bob-omb is one of the enemies left out of Japanese manuals after Doki Doki Panic, only mentioned with Albatoss. Anyway, if you need help finding more Japanese manuals and guides online since they're generally less preserved, I can say that it's at least simple enough to search a lot of them up on Nintendo's servers or, failing that, the Internet Archive. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:03, November 21, 2019 (EST)

RE:"Mario's old friend"

But "friend" implies a stronger relationship. Then again, it's only Wario's claim. Wario would never admit his shortcomings in comparison to Mario, but he does recognize them, so he tries to convince others that Mario is (at most) on the same level as him. He may be trying to hide his own jealousy with "Oh yeah, that Mario guy. We're pals--good pals. He's totally never left me in the dust since childhood because he was the more popular kid or something". -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:40, November 27, 2019 (EST)

True, guess I got too excited for a piece of information that was new to me and didn't have the brains to check it elsewhere. Still... don't you find it weird how in most of these texts, it's only Wario who calls Mario a friend? Mario seems suspiciously impartial. He knows that their friendship couldn't have possibly held on due to their differences. Which is sad, but I'm glad both grew to be successful in their own way.
... OK, enough of this soap, I'll sign out now. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:34, November 27, 2019 (EST)