MarioWiki:Proposals

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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removals of previously added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Any user can support or oppose but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived here, while talk page proposals are archived here.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in or vote on proposals. Users may vote for more than one option on proposals with more than two choices.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the Comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.


===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====


Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/Talk Page Archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from the list and included in the table under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

# Proposal User Date
1 Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series
Notes: The DK: King of Swing boss levels, while not explicitly covered by this proposal, should receive the same treatment. All Donkey Kong Land boss levels have been created.
Aokage (talk) January 3, 2015
2 Create a template for the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door badge drop rates Lord Bowser (talk) August 17, 2016
3 Expand the Behemoth King article Owencrazyboy9 (talk) December 23, 2017
4 Decide how to cover recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series BBQ Turtle (talk) July 17, 2018
5 Allow ports of games with substantial new content to be split from the parent articles Waluigi Time (talk) July 23, 2018
6 Create articles on Play Nintendo games Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) June 23, 2019
7 Reorganize Map LudwigVon (talk) July 17, 2019
8 Split Jump Block (Mario & Wario) from Note Block Alternis (talk) July 21, 2019
9 Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries Results May Vary (talk) July 30, 2019
10 Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants of the Goomba FanOfYoshi (talk) August 17, 2019
11 Split Buckies from Noki FanOfYoshi (talk) August 28, 2019
12 Create articles on the River Survival routes in Super Mario Party Toadette the Achiever (talk) November 2, 2019

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Clean up latest appearances for crossover characters

Currently, the way we handle the latest appearance section on infoboxes for crossover characters in certain cases is a bit awkward. If the character's latest appearance is in a game that is a crossover with the Mario franchise, that game is listed alongside their latest appearance within their series. For characters who have not had installments in their series before a crossover installment, this becomes a bit awkward and we list both. Since I've probably lost you by this point, I'll provide some examples:

  • Captain Falcon lists both F-Zero Climax (2004) alongside Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as his latest appearance.
  • Samus and Ridley list both Metroid: Samus Returns (2017) alongside Ultimate as their latest appearance.
  • Pit and Palutena list both Kid Icarus: Uprising (2012) alongside Ultimate as their latest appearance.
  • Little Mac lists both Doc Louis's Punch-Out!! (2009) alongside a cameo in Luigi's Mansion 3 as his latest appearance.

(On an odd note, Banjo doesn't do this - maybe because his first appearance overall was Diddy Kong Racing? Not quite sure here)

This seems very odd to me because those crossover installments ARE their latest appearance, yet somehow it's treated as "lesser" solely because of its connection to the Mario series. This is especially awkward when we're dealing with "dead" franchises like F-Zero where the other "latest appearance" predates their true latest appearance by over a decade. Therefore, I propose that we remove these older games from the infobox solely in cases where the crossover installment in question was released after these games. Aside from Smash, this would probably affect a majority of our Sonic characters thanks to Rio 2020's very recent release. Characters who have since appeared in other games in their own series after the release of these crossover installments, such as Link and Kirby, would be unaffected by this proposal.

Frankly, I almost confused myself writing this, so if you have any questions please let me know in the comments.

Proposer: Waluigi Time (talk)
Deadline: November 13, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Waluigi Time (talk) Per proposal.
  2. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.
  3. WeirdDave13 (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per proposal, which is also per all.

Oppose

  1. Tails777 (talk) Honestly, I think it's fine the way it is. We're separating their appearances in their original franchises from their crossover appearances, regardless of the time difference between their latest appearances. Captain Falcon's last appearance in his own franchise was back in 2004. Most of the time, crossovers are their own franchises, so it still makes sense to list them separately. Smash Ultimate is Captain Falcon's latest appearance as a whole, but it's in a completely different series than F-Zero. Personally speaking, it makes sense to me. Though to speak for Banjo, as he did split off from Diddy Kong Racing, it's probably better to add his franchise into the mix as well, especially since he's now a third party character. In any case, I feel the current situation is fine the way it is.
  2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Disagree to change anything.

Comments

@Tails777: I don't see why what franchise it is matters. What's your opinion on Kirby, who currently lists his latest appearance outside of crossovers as Link's Awakening for the Switch? No mention of the Kirby series there. Fox, Falco, and Wolf also list their latest non-crossover appearance as Starlink: Battle for Atlas, which isn't even a Star Fox game, but features the characters anyway exclusively on the Switch version. If we can neglect mentioning the Kirby/Star Fox franchises in those cases since their latest appearance in those franchises aren't actually their latest appearance, what's the big deal doing it for Smash/Mario & Sonic/any other Mario-relevant content? Are we really going to treat those games as "inferior" in some way just because they happen to be related to the franchise that this wiki is about? That doesn't make sense to me at all. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 16:10, November 6, 2019 (EST)

Hmm, yeah, I see what you're getting at now. That is a bit of a tricky situation. I had two thoughts on solutions, though one isn't really correct and the other may make things look messier; my first thought would be to focus on the characters original franchise rather than dating their appearance in another different one, but that would end up leading to false information. My second thought was to simply add their latest appearance as a whole while retaining the latest appearance in their original franchises, but that would probably be a bit much. While I still disagree on removing an appearance in the home franchise that predates current crossover appearances, as I still stand by the whole original franchise thing, I can't truly speak for cases like Kirby and Fox, who's latest appearances aren't from their own franchises. Overall, I don't exactly know what to do in those cases. YoshiHeadSSBU.png Tails777 Talk to me!SSBUStockIcon - Robin.png

@FanOfYoshi: That sounds like a really weak vote to me. Do you have any reasons why you don't think it should be changed? --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:15, November 12, 2019 (EST)

Lemme see if I have this right: You want to remove non-Smash latest appearances from the infoboxes if they are crossovers themselves, keep things just to their own series above and a Mario-related game below? I don't think any games are "inferior", but doing it that way, "latest" would be an inaccurate term. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:31, November 12, 2019 (EST)

No, this would only affect characters where their "latest" appearance outside of a Mario-related crossover is not actually their latest appearance, like the examples listed in the proposal. So characters like Captain Falcon, whose "latest appearance" outside of these crossovers predates it by 14 years, would only show Smash Ultimate, while characters like Link and Kirby who have been in other games released since those crossovers are unaffected. Basically, the point of this proposal is to get rid of outdated latest appearances. Think Banjo and Kazooie, who for whatever reason already follow what I want to establish in this proposal and only list Ultimate in their infoboxes because that's the most recent game they appear in. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:35, November 12, 2019 (EST)
Aaaand I just reread your comment and realized I misread it. Whoops. I have no intention of removing the Smash games from the infobox. As far as I care, they're just as related to the Mario franchise as other crossovers like Mario & Sonic are. What this proposal would do is remove games from their original franchise (or in awkward cases like the Star Fox characters currently, non-Mario games in general) from latest appearance in cases where that game is not actually their latest appearance. In most cases for affected characters, this would mean keeping only Super Smash Bros. Ultimate in their latest appearance section. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:43, November 12, 2019 (EST)

I know it's a bit late in the proposal for this, but I have created an example of the proposed changes in my sandbox if anyone's still confused. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:46, November 12, 2019 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.