Talk:Mega Mario

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This article says that the Super forms in Super Mario 64 DS are similar to Mega forms. I think that those forms ARE Mega forms, although the mushroom is similar to a Super Mushroom. --Xeze 07:26, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Divergence?

It's fairly odd that a regular mushroom (actually a Super Mushroom) provides the Mega form in Super Mario 64 DS, and at around the same time, a Mega Mushroom appears in Super Mario Ball using Super Mushroom's design. I believe the origins of Mega Mario (and, to a lesser extent, Mini Mario) can really be traced to the Super Smash Bros. series, specifically how the Super Mushroom turns the character giant since Melee. In Brawl onwards, the giant status is even called Mega. I think the Mega Mushroom was made into its own item as a response to the Super Mushroom turning the character giant in the Super Smash Bros. series, and likewise for the Mini Mushroom with the Poison Mushroom sometimes turning the character tiny since Super Mario Kart. The reason the Super Smash Bros. series continues to use the Super and Poison Mushrooms when the Mario franchise eventually codified the Mega and Mini Mushrooms would have likely been due to legacy and gameplay reasons, since the point of the Poison Mushroom is that it can be easily confused for the Super Mushroom as a punishment. Basically, I say Mega Mario technically debuted in Super Smash Bros. Melee (possibly because the Super Mario form was initially interpreted as a bigger Mario, which is why it took until Super Mario Land to give Small Mario its own name and refer to Super Mario as regular Mario), and Mini Mario technically debuted as an alternative to powering down in games without power-up gameplay - the new mushrooms were designed after the Mega/Mini forms to keep the traits of the original mushrooms more consistent. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:22, May 26, 2020 (EDT)

It wouldn't surprise me if the "Mega" form was indeed based on how early/mid-2000s games treated Super Mario (in a similar vein to how sometimes iterations of enemies in the Zelda games are reintroduced as variants when the original is present). That being said, whether we should draw the line on function or name is debatable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:09, May 26, 2020 (EDT)

We're already not too particular about naming specifics of earlier appearances - aside from Mega Mushroom's inconsistent design (and Mini Mushroom's, although the Mario Party 4 design was retained in Super Mario Ball), the Japanese name kept changing. There is also the version of Mega Mario in Super Paper Mario, which may technically be "Dot Mario" going by the filenames and Mega Koopa's Japanese name (although Big Mario seems to be a reference to it, with the Super Mario Bros.-style Big Mushroom using Mega Mushroom's original Japanese name as a likely throwback). Though if the name "Mega Mario" coming from the mushroom makes a difference, we can go halfway and add a section about unnamed predecessors. However, if we do this, some of the existing appearances in the current article might be considered to move to that section, like potentially Super Mario 64 DS. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:57, May 27, 2020 (EDT)

Scope?

What exactly is this article meant to cover?

Judging from the header, it looks like it's intended to focus on the form as seen in New Super Mario Bros. and onwards, but it also currently talks about multiple unrelated instances of Mario growing in size, such as Super Mario Kun, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, or Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! (Which appears to be more like an early interpretation of Super Mario.)

Are we attempting to cover every giant Mario ever used in the series, or are we supposed to be talking about a specific, recurring power-up? 108.208.40.205 18:26, November 21, 2025 (EST)

Might be worth looking into how we cover Mega Mushroom but for the time being, where would the information for these big Mario forms outside of "transformation triggered by Super Mushroom/Mega Mushroom" go in? I know the anime one is an allusion to Super Mario, but the Mario Party transformation clearly alludes to a mega form before New Super Mario Bros.. Where would Super Smash Bros. go, given that it started as an allusion to Super Mario and changed to Giant/Mega in later entries? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:08, November 22, 2025 (EST)

What qualifies as "Mega Mario?"

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Current time: January 15, 2026, 22:30 (GMT)

As noted by the above discussions, we are currently covering a bit too many Giant forms in the Mega Mario article. Several of these alleged "Mega" forms have varying degrees of overlap with Super Mario (form).

It appears "Super Mario" being depicted as Mario's regular state wasn't fully established until late into the Wii/DS era, and before then, it wasn't uncommon for the series to depict Super Mario as a giant, with his Super Smash Bros. and movie portrayals being leftovers from that era of the series. So I think it's time we narrow down what does and does not count as "Mega Mario" on this page.

Since this is a subject that would largely reshape this article (and possibly others) depending on how things play out, I've created this proposal to try and resolve it properly.

Proposer: Wandering Poplin (talk)

Super Mario 64 DS: Super Mushrooms in this game turn you into Mega Mario

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1. Small Wandering Poplin (talk) While I'm certain this is meant to be an early 3D version of Super Mario, it does look and function near identical like the form from New Super Mario Bros., which was built on the engine for this game.
2. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Small Wandering Poplin.

Move to Super Mario (form)

1. Wandering Poplin (talk) Secondary option.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Never officially named.
3. Super Sophie (talk) As much as I wish it was a Mega Mushroom, it's not.
4. Ambiguously-robust Nintendo101 (talk) Tentative.
5. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
6. Camwoodstock (talk) If it looks like a Super Mushroom, it's probably safe to assume it's meant to be analogous to one, no matter how drastic the height increase actually is relatively speaking.

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Mario Party 3: Super Mushrooms in Toadstool Titan turn you into Mega Mario

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1. Super Wandering Poplin (talk) I guess this can stay, but only because of Mario Party: The Top 100/Mario Party Superstars.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) I was leaning towards move but the two games replacing the Super Mushroom with Mega Mushroom indicates it's an early apperance.

Move to Super Mario (form) Mario Party 3 only

1. Super Sophie (talk) Per my vote on Super Mario 64 DS. The Mega Mushroom is not in Mario Party 3. It is in the minigame's reruns, but that does not extend retroactively. Similarly, we do not cover Mario Party' Piranha's Pursuit under Petey Piranha. Keep in mind the Mario Party: The Top 100/Mario Party Superstars entries should stay.
2. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Super Sophie.
3. Nintendo101 Party 3 (talk) I understand the reasoning better. It is more conceptually accurate to say this form was "replaced" with Mega Mario in subsequent games, but for Mario Party 3 itself, it's a Super Mario homage.
4. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all. We do worry this may be a tad obnoxious to convey, but we figure that's more the fault of the source material.

Move to Super Mario (form) Mario Party 3/Mario Party: The Top 100/Mario Party Superstars

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Super Smash Bros. (series): Super Mushrooms in this series turn you into Mega Mario

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1. Big Wandering Poplin (talk) This is another early Super Mario. It's later appearances have done very little to group it with Mega Mario either, so it might just be a relic of the pre Wii/DS era that was never updated, like their designs for Turnips, or for Metal Mario.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Never actually called Mega Mario.
3. Salmancer (talk) So I think the big problem here is the lack of the music override signature to Mega Mario. A key part of the form reprised almost every one of its Mega Mushroom induced appearances. Without it, I'm unconvinced that Super Smash Bros. Brawl actually updated Super Mushrooms to make the player Mega instead of Super. Sounds like they're just using the word "Mega" to describe the thing. Smash actually uses a lot of different words for this. Mega Smash, sure, but also "giant" and "huge" and I saw a "mega-sized" once. (It was the Mega Tourney pop up, and I failed to take a screenshot of it...) Either way, since the name choice is so variable I no longer think that Special Smash calling perma-Super Mushroom "Mega Smash" means anything, and that name is the primary reason its even on this page.
4. Super Sophie (talk) Per all.
5. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per all.
6. Super Nintendo101 Bros. Brawl (talk) Per all.
7. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
8. Camwoodstock (talk) If this was meant to be the Mega Mushroom, they'd probably have changed it in a later entry to be the Mega Mushroom.

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Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: Power Punches in this game turn you Mega Mario

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#Yoshi PUNCH! (talk) Secondary choice. I feel like if it makes Mario bigger it can be acknowledged as Super Mario.

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1. Bigger Wandering Poplin (talk) It's just a bigger Mario. Absolutely no relation to Mega Mario at all.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Agreed.
3. Ambiguously-sized Sophie (talk) It is literally called the Huge status effect. Not Mega. The fact that this isn't mentioned in this article's section makes it very misleading.
4. SmokedChili (talk) Per all.
5. Yoshi PUNCH! (talk) Per all.
6. Smacked101 (talk) Per all.
7. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
8. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all. Not much to say here, Huge ain't Mega.

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: Meat in this game turns you into Mega Mario Bowser

Move to Super Mario (form) 1-4-2
4 out of 6 voters (66.7%) approve the first place option.
Deadline: January 4, 2026, 23:59 GMT

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1. Mega Wandering Poplin (talk) Looks to be yet another early Super Mario, but it does function similar enough to how Mega Mario would in later titles.

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1. Megaflash Wandering Poplin (talk) Secondary choice.
2. Super Sophie (talk) Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door predates New Super Mario Bros. by two years. It is not referencing it.
3. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Super Sophie. It doesn't involve the Mega Mushroom so we can't call it "Mega Mario".
4. Camwoodstock (talk) At least mechanically, Meat in the TTYD Bowser intermissions is meant to be an analogue to the Super Mushroom, so we think it can squeak by for that.

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1. SmokedChili (talk) I don't remember seeing Bowser's different sizes being called anything distinct, so same reason as Power Punch above, just bigger Bowser unrelated to Mega form.
2. Pizza Master (talk) per SmokedChili.

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door / Super Paper Mario: Princess Peach growing into a giant as a gag is Mega Mario Peach

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1. Super Sophie (talk) See my vote above. Super Paper Mario is also likely just referencing its own series, not the mushroom either.

#Mega Yoshi (talk) Secondary choice. Per Super Sophie.

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1. Megasparkle Wandering Poplin (talk) This is so obvious, it should go without saying. I'm only bothering to mention it for completeness sake.
2. SmokedChili (talk) Per Wandering Popling.
3. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Megasparkle Wandering Poplin, since it's a gag and has nothing to do with the gameplay.
4. Pizza Master (talk) per Poplin.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, unless this counts as a Mega Us.

Super Paper Mario: Mega Stars in this game turn you into Mega Mario

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1. Giant Wandering Poplin (talk) This one is pretty difficult, but Super Paper Mario's "Mega" form functions almost identically to it's NSMBDS counterpart, and I don't know where else we'd be able to cover it.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk): It came out the same year as New Super Mario Bros.
3. SmokedChili (talk) In this case I prefer keeping this "Mega Mario" because while Mega Koopa's Japanese name indicates difference in pattern, the official Japanese site still uses "Kyodai Mario".
4. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per all.
5. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
6. Salmancer (talk) I think SmokedChilli is onto something here. Additionally, remember that enemies don't always follow the same logic as the player in video game anything. Those spikes that hurt Mario have little effect on the enemies. Cosmic Clones, its tiny friend, its big friend, and the Mummy-Me can walk or run across ground that stopped existing, because while the player cares about gravity these enemies do not. In RPGs, they're always able to be at the end of dungeons even though they lack the player's unique abilities that the player needed to reach the end of the dungeon. And in this case, power ups have demonstrably affected enemies differently from the way they affect Mario, such as how the Super Leaf inexplicably makes Tail enemies but Tanooki Mario in Super Mario 3D Land. Ol' Dotto Nokonoko not being Kyodai Nokonoko when its Kyodai Mario is probably just that. So I don't agree with LadySophie's take.

Move to Super Mario (form)

1. Mega Mario (talk) Secondary choice. It's kinda like Ambigiously-sized Sophie said. This doesn't involve the Mega Mushroom so maybe we can move it to Super Mario (form).

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1. Ambiguously-sized Sophie (talk) Ok hear me out. The Sūpā Sutā item (which is not a Mega Mushroom) makes a character grow huge and become 8-bit, the latter of which the Mega Mushroom does not do. When a Koopa Troopa uses it, it does not become a Kyodai Nokonoko, nor does it become a Deka Nokonoko. It's neither of those things. The form should probably just be covered in Mega Star, or if it must be split then Mega Mario (Super Paper Mario) Even though that only applies to the Koopa Troopa. As far as I'm concerned that is the ドット (dotto) form, though.
2. Super Paper N101 (talk) Per LadySophie.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Admittedly, we always mentally compare these two forms, both for the close release date, but also just... The weird prevalence both forms had in marketing, despite their rarity in actual gameplay. That being said, the Mega Mushroom doesn't turn you into an 8-bit version of yourself, now, does it?

Paper Mario: Color Splash: The Magnifying Glass in this game turns you into Mega Mario.

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1. Giga Wandering Poplin (talk) It's a larger Mario, but I'm not entirely convinced this is Mega Mario.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk): Never actually named.
3. Ambiguously-sized Sophie (talk) Now that we're getting into the post-New Super Mario Bros. games, it gets trickier. I think if this one was intended as a callback to the Mega Mario form it would be at least be accompanied by its theme that, at this point, was certainly well established. I am on the fence though.
4. SmokedChili (talk) Per all.
5. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per all. Does this even need an explanation?
6. Magnified N101 (talk) Per all.
7. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
8. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all. We're by no means experts on Color Splash, but this feels roughly analogous to Huge from TTYD, from what we could gleam.

Mario Super Sluggers: Super Mushrooms in Graffiti Runner turn you into Mega Mario

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1. Fury Wandering Poplin X (talk) Yet another early portrayal of Super Mario, one of the last of its' kind.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk): Agreed.
3. Super Sophie (talk) Per proposal. Unfortunately...
4. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per all.
5. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
6. Camwoodstock (talk) Once again, this is just "Super Mario but larger than usual, as they were already Super to begin with."

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Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen!: Super Mushrooms in this film turn Mario into Mega Mario

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1. Colossal Dreamy Wandering Poplin-zilla (talk) One of the earliest examples of an early/stylized Super Mario. Mega Mario wouldn't exist in any form until a few years later.
2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Rule of Cool.
3. Super Sophie (talk) Per proposal....
4. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per all.
5. The Great Mission to Rescue N101 (talk) Surely.
6. Pizza Master (talk) per all.
7. Camwoodstock (talk) Remember Super Mario? He's back! In already-super form! (Per proposal, there's only so many ways we can say this...)

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Super Mario-kun: Volume 1: Mario's transformation from the "Super Mario Bros. 5" section is an early Mega Mario.

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1. Mega Sophie (talk) It is a gag form granted with Apollo's Gift of Prophecy, yes, but it is a form of Mario where he grows giant and is called Kyodai Mario. I don't think the modern Mega Mushroom was an intentional direct evolution of the Mario Party 4 item either, so this fits about as well as that here.
2. Super N101-kun (talk) I agree with LadySophie17.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Lady Sophie. The fact it's actually named feels like a reasonable baseline to use.
4. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Per Lady Sophie.

Move to Super Mario (form)

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1. Supreme Ultra Megaflash Wandering Poplin the Great (talk) I've thought about this, and I don't think it needs to be covered in the main article. It's about as related as the Giant Mario from the Got Milk? commercial.
2. SmokedChili (talk) Per Wandering Popling.
3. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Supreme Ultra Megaflash Wandering Poplin the Great.
4. Pizza Master (talk) per Poplin.

Super Mario (Kodansha manga): Super Mushrooms in this manga turn Dr. Mario into Mega Mario

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1. Wandering Poplin at a somewhat-bigger-than-normal size (talk) One of the many, many, many early depictions of Super Mario.
2. Mega Yoshi (talk) Per Wandering Poplin at a somewhat-bigger-than-normal size.
3. Pizza Master (talk) per Poplin.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) It's Super for when you're already super. Per proposal. you get it.

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1. Mega Yoshi (talk) Secondary choice.

Comments: Comments in this page (hopefully won't) turn you into Mega Mario

I think we could also use a proper disambiguation page for Mega Mario, considering all the different giant transformations that this series uses. Wandering Poplin (talk) 19:50, December 20, 2025 (EST)

All those hidden links are very annoying to click through. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 09:56, December 23, 2025 (EST)

Users may want to look at Discord. On #mariowiki, the topic of Mega Mario being in Super Smash Bros. or not came up on November 22nd, and there was a big discussion. Salmancer (talk) 09:35, December 23, 2025 (EST)

I need something clarified. The vote for Mario Party 3 only encompasses that game, right? Because as I said in my vote, I think it should be treated differently from Mario Party: The Top 100 and Mario Party Superstars — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 09:56, December 23, 2025 (EST)

Wandering Poplin, the "movie" link in the proposal's body is a link to The Super Mario Bros. Movie, which has an uncontested Super Mario and not a Mega Mario. You probably meant for it to be a link to Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen!. Salmancer (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2025 (EST)

When I mentioned The Super Mario Bros. Movie, I was specifically trying to bring up how it portrays "Super Mario" as a larger version of his normal state, which is not how the form has generally been depicted for some time, but clearly harkens back to when "Super Mario" could very frequently be portrayed as a giant, which is something we've seen all over this proposal. It seems to be one of the few modern examples of that role, whereas Super Mario is (usually) interchangeable with "normal" Mario everywhere else. Wandering Poplin (talk) 13:44, December 23, 2025 (EST)

Thank you for the clarification. Salmancer (talk) 16:12, December 23, 2025 (EST)

Just to be clear, since the option for moving these to Super Mario form page would pose the same issue as keeping them here because they're not directly called "Super Mario" either, would it be possible to list them instead as "potential appearances" like how "the" Toad's page was once handled? SmokedChili (talk) 08:27, December 27, 2025 (EST)

Which parts would need that clarification? Aside from Super Mario 64 DS and possibly Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, most of them seem like they'd fall under the "Show, don't tell" principle. Wandering Poplin (talk) 20:19, December 27, 2025 (EST)

I'd rather have the official material expicitly confirming it, and aside from the manga/anime, I'm pretty sure most of these options don't make any references to the big form being called either "Super Mario" or "Mega Mario". In case of SM64DS, MP3 and Super Sluggers, the Mushroom embiggening is called in Japan 巨大化 (きょだいか) so for those I'm suggesting potential appearance listing for "Super Mario". SmokedChili (talk) 05:32, December 28, 2025 (EST)

I would consider "enlarged form of Mario caused by the use of a Super Mushroom" to be enough clarification to warrant a spot on the page, even if it has to be left unnamed. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 17:32, January 9, 2026 (EST)