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===Add RARS to Template:Ratings=== | ===Add RARS to Template:Ratings=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|20-0|add}} | ||
RARS is Russian Age Rating System. There are already Mario games that have been classified by this system. So why not add it to the template? Sorry for my bad English. | RARS is Russian Age Rating System. There are already Mario games that have been classified by this system. So why not add it to the template? Sorry for my bad English. | ||
'''Update''': Looks like we need to add GRAC and GSRR too. | '''Update''': Looks like we need to add GRAC and GSRR too. | ||
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===Create a ''Mario Party 11'' redirect=== | ===Create a ''Mario Party 11'' redirect=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|17-0|recreate}} | ||
This may sound kind of stupid, but I'm sure that there are people out there who'll automatically assume that ''[[Super Mario Party]]'' is called ''Mario Party 11''. ''Super Mario Party'' is the eleventh ''Mario Party'' title to come out on a home console, and thus, when compared to the overall ''Mario Party'' series of 25 games, it's the 11th main game, due to the other 14 installments being either handheld or arcade. Harkening to the ''Mario Kart'' games, ''Super Mario Kart''-''Mario Kart Wii'' have redirects numbered ''1''-''6''. If [[Super Mario Kart|the]] [[Mario Kart 64|first]] [[Mario Kart: Super Circuit|six]] [[Mario Kart: Double Dash!!|''Mario'']] [[Mario Kart DS|''Kart'']] [[Mario Kart Wii|games]] warrant numbered redirects, then I really don't see why ''Super Mario Party'' cannot be treated in the same manner. | This may sound kind of stupid, but I'm sure that there are people out there who'll automatically assume that ''[[Super Mario Party]]'' is called ''Mario Party 11''. ''Super Mario Party'' is the eleventh ''Mario Party'' title to come out on a home console, and thus, when compared to the overall ''Mario Party'' series of 25 games, it's the 11th main game, due to the other 14 installments being either handheld or arcade. Harkening to the ''Mario Kart'' games, ''Super Mario Kart''-''Mario Kart Wii'' have redirects numbered ''1''-''6''. If [[Super Mario Kart|the]] [[Mario Kart 64|first]] [[Mario Kart: Super Circuit|six]] [[Mario Kart: Double Dash!!|''Mario'']] [[Mario Kart DS|''Kart'']] [[Mario Kart Wii|games]] warrant numbered redirects, then I really don't see why ''Super Mario Party'' cannot be treated in the same manner. | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 53#Recreate the numbered Mario Kart redirects|Here's the proposal in question]] in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT) | [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/53#Recreate the numbered Mario Kart redirects|Here's the proposal in question]] in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT) | ||
[https://smallmariofindings.tumblr.com/post/186027177745/in-super-mario-party-birdo-can-be-encountered-in ''Super Mario Party'' does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game.] {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT) | [https://smallmariofindings.tumblr.com/post/186027177745/in-super-mario-party-birdo-can-be-encountered-in ''Super Mario Party'' does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game.] {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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===Create articles for the worlds in ''Dr. Mario World''=== | ===Create articles for the worlds in ''Dr. Mario World''=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|blue|canceled by the administrators}}<small>A proposal regarding creation of the levels is still underway. That being said, this is a much more clear-cut situation and does not need a proposal, as the stages would have to be covered somehow.</small> | ||
After looking at the above proposal, knowing that ''Dr. Mario World'' simply doesn't warrant articles for each of its worlds, we'd might as well get the game's worlds themselves covered. Each of ''Dr. Mario World''{{'}}s levels don't have much information to about themselves, but the worlds as a whole have a lot more that can be brought up about them. Kinda like five sticks being tied together being stronger than each individual stick. 'Nuff said, the above proposal and the opinions of Toadette the Achiever and Mario JC back this proposal up. | After looking at the above proposal, knowing that ''Dr. Mario World'' simply doesn't warrant articles for each of its worlds, we'd might as well get the game's worlds themselves covered. Each of ''Dr. Mario World''{{'}}s levels don't have much information to about themselves, but the worlds as a whole have a lot more that can be brought up about them. Kinda like five sticks being tied together being stronger than each individual stick. 'Nuff said, the above proposal and the opinions of Toadette the Achiever and Mario JC back this proposal up. | ||
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===Add template for ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''{{'}}s moves=== | ===Add template for ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''{{'}}s moves=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|blue|canceled by the administrators}}<small>Creation of such a template does not need a proposal.</small> | ||
I've noticed that previous ''Super Smash Bros.'' games have templates leading to the characters' special moves, as well as universal techniques like air dodging, footstool jumping, and tether recoveries. It's been more than 7 months since ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' - the most recent ''Smash'' game - was released, yet we still don't have a templates dedicated to its characters' moves. I'd like to change that. | I've noticed that previous ''Super Smash Bros.'' games have templates leading to the characters' special moves, as well as universal techniques like air dodging, footstool jumping, and tether recoveries. It's been more than 7 months since ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' - the most recent ''Smash'' game - was released, yet we still don't have a templates dedicated to its characters' moves. I'd like to change that. | ||
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===Add when the Just released and New subject should be removed, while slightly rewording the former template=== | ===Add when the Just released and New subject should be removed, while slightly rewording the former template=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|10-0|change the templates}} | ||
Just recently there has been [[User talk:TheRaoul1992#New subject template|discussion]] regarding when the {{tem|New subject}} template should be removed. While Alex95 said that the template should be removed after a month, the template, and its own page, says nothing about a date where it should be removed. In fact, it says "When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. Remove this only when the changes have been applied.". So basically, it says that as long as the proper changes/info have been added about the new subject, the template can be removed, thus you can technically remove the template day one per the template, and as the template says that the template should only be removed once the changes are made technically the template can be on a page for years, if the changes are not made. So it is very easy to see how users can be confused on how long the template should last, and the current wording for removal should be reworded, as the template should be an alert for new subjects that are longer than one day old, but not years old. Plus it cannot hurt to specify when the template should be removed, to clear confusion. | Just recently there has been [[User talk:TheRaoul1992#New subject template|discussion]] regarding when the {{tem|New subject}} template should be removed. While Alex95 said that the template should be removed after a month, the template, and its own page, says nothing about a date where it should be removed. In fact, it says "When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. Remove this only when the changes have been applied.". So basically, it says that as long as the proper changes/info have been added about the new subject, the template can be removed, thus you can technically remove the template day one per the template, and as the template says that the template should only be removed once the changes are made technically the template can be on a page for years, if the changes are not made. So it is very easy to see how users can be confused on how long the template should last, and the current wording for removal should be reworded, as the template should be an alert for new subjects that are longer than one day old, but not years old. Plus it cannot hurt to specify when the template should be removed, to clear confusion. | ||
So, I propose to add a sentence and to reword the New subject template to specify when to remove the template, and the specification will also apply to the Just released template. | So, I propose to add a sentence and to reword the New subject template to specify when to remove the template, and the specification will also apply to the Just released template. | ||
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===Disallow use of "per all" votes on proposals and featured article nominations=== | ===Disallow use of "per all" votes on proposals and featured article nominations=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|cancelled}} | ||
Let's face it, this proposal had to happen. Too many people vote on a proposal just for the sake of voting, and bandwagon on the side with more votes. "Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes. They instead opt to say "per all above reasons", quite possibly because they haven't even ''read'' the above reasons and are simply voting just by looking at the voting headers, without looking at the reasons for either side. Worst-case scenario, they see that one of the sides has a lot more votes and they cast a "per all" vote on that side just because. "Per all" is the lamest excuse to vote that ever existed and goes directly against proposal policy of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it". "Per all" has some real meaning behind it, but it's rarely used just because the voter agrees with and would otherwise list ''every single reason'' posted above it. It's usually just used because the voter hasn't considered the matter carefully and is rushing their vote to the side with more. It's basically putting no reason with your vote other than "you know what just look at the votes above this because I don't feel like typing everything". | Let's face it, this proposal had to happen. Too many people vote on a proposal just for the sake of voting, and bandwagon on the side with more votes. "Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes. They instead opt to say "per all above reasons", quite possibly because they haven't even ''read'' the above reasons and are simply voting just by looking at the voting headers, without looking at the reasons for either side. Worst-case scenario, they see that one of the sides has a lot more votes and they cast a "per all" vote on that side just because. "Per all" is the lamest excuse to vote that ever existed and goes directly against proposal policy of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it". "Per all" has some real meaning behind it, but it's rarely used just because the voter agrees with and would otherwise list ''every single reason'' posted above it. It's usually just used because the voter hasn't considered the matter carefully and is rushing their vote to the side with more. It's basically putting no reason with your vote other than "you know what just look at the votes above this because I don't feel like typing everything". | ||
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===Create articles on individual ''Dr. Mario'' levels=== | ===Create articles on individual ''Dr. Mario'' levels=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|3-11-0-0|Only create articles on the levels from ''Dr Mario: Miracle Cure''}} | ||
I'm specifically referring to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels in ''[[Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure]]'' and the story mode stages in ''[[Dr. Mario World]]''. | I'm specifically referring to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels in ''[[Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure]]'' and the story mode stages in ''[[Dr. Mario World]]''. | ||
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===Reorganize and split [[Gallery:Toys]] and other [[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise]] galleries=== | ===Reorganize and split [[Gallery:Toys]] and other [[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise]] galleries=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|13-1|reorganize}} | ||
Hi, so this is going to be a short, yet complicated proposal. There are two gallery pages, Gallery:Toys and Gallery:Figurines (linked in header), and it's a massive lump of merchandise images, which makes it difficult to actually add information regarding the merchandise. Pikipedia actually manages their [https://www.pikminwiki.com/Merchandise merchandise] page better in my opinion, as they organize by merchandise type in the mainspace (rather than gallery mainspace), and add some info on the individual merchandise. Part of me thinks that the lack of information on official merchandise (aside from obscurity) is because much of it is listed on a gallery page, rather than designated mainspace article. There is [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Gallery:Toys&curid=12210&diff=2721797&oldid=2715973 more information to the merchandise] than just a picture of galleries. | Hi, so this is going to be a short, yet complicated proposal. There are two gallery pages, Gallery:Toys and Gallery:Figurines (linked in header), and it's a massive lump of merchandise images, which makes it difficult to actually add information regarding the merchandise. Pikipedia actually manages their [https://www.pikminwiki.com/Merchandise merchandise] page better in my opinion, as they organize by merchandise type in the mainspace (rather than gallery mainspace), and add some info on the individual merchandise. Part of me thinks that the lack of information on official merchandise (aside from obscurity) is because much of it is listed on a gallery page, rather than designated mainspace article. There is [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Gallery:Toys&curid=12210&diff=2721797&oldid=2715973 more information to the merchandise] than just a picture of galleries. | ||
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===New template: Alphabetize=== | ===New template: Alphabetize=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|failed|6-14}} | ||
Historically, lists and galleries have attempted to be alphabetical. For the most part, they have remained somewhat intact in [[List of Super Mario Sunshine glitches|remaining]] [[Luigi's Mansion#Common Ghosts|alphabetical]]. In [[Wario#General information|a]] [[Gallery:Super Mario Galaxy#From Data|lot]] [[Gallery:New Super Mario Bros. 2#Items|of other]] [[List of Super Mario Bros. 2 glitches|cases]], this is not exactly true, which is where this template comes into play. This template, to be used in sections of pages, indicates that a list should be made alphabetical. It is significantly different from <nowiki>{{rewrite}}</nowiki> because rewriting a page generally adds to or removes content, and requires a type of reactional thinking to form NEW content. To make a section alphabetical, it requires moving around pre-existing content. This should lead to a higher level of consistency among articles, and greater ease for readers to navigate pages. | Historically, lists and galleries have attempted to be alphabetical. For the most part, they have remained somewhat intact in [[List of Super Mario Sunshine glitches|remaining]] [[Luigi's Mansion#Common Ghosts|alphabetical]]. In [[Wario#General information|a]] [[Gallery:Super Mario Galaxy#From Data|lot]] [[Gallery:New Super Mario Bros. 2#Items|of other]] [[List of Super Mario Bros. 2 glitches|cases]], this is not exactly true, which is where this template comes into play. This template, to be used in sections of pages, indicates that a list should be made alphabetical. It is significantly different from <nowiki>{{rewrite}}</nowiki> because rewriting a page generally adds to or removes content, and requires a type of reactional thinking to form NEW content. To make a section alphabetical, it requires moving around pre-existing content. This should lead to a higher level of consistency among articles, and greater ease for readers to navigate pages. | ||
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===Ban friend userboxes=== | ===Ban friend userboxes=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|cancelled}} | ||
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 53#Ban certain cases of future tense from the wiki|No, not discourage. Ban.]] | [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/53#Ban certain cases of future tense from the wiki|No, not discourage. Ban.]] | ||
I've seen users giving each other friend userboxes after a "friend request" (a talk page message). | I've seen users giving each other friend userboxes after a "friend request" (a talk page message). | ||
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===Determine how to handle unused appearances=== | ===Determine how to handle unused appearances=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|0-0-13-0|include in the history section in other appearances}} | ||
Many times, a subject appears only in the files of a game, as unused content. Should this kind of appearance [[Bull's-Eye Bill#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|be covered in an article's history section]], [[Big Steely#Trivia|be kept in the trivia section]], or just stay in the game's pre-release and unused content section? If it is included in an article's history section, it doesn't have to have its own subsection, it can be covered in an "other appearances" section. In a game appearances list, I do think unused appearances should not be included. | Many times, a subject appears only in the files of a game, as unused content. Should this kind of appearance [[Bull's-Eye Bill#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|be covered in an article's history section]], [[Big Steely#Trivia|be kept in the trivia section]], or just stay in the game's pre-release and unused content section? If it is included in an article's history section, it doesn't have to have its own subsection, it can be covered in an "other appearances" section. In a game appearances list, I do think unused appearances should not be included. | ||
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===Create a DYK Committee=== | ===Create a DYK Committee=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|blue|cancelled by administrator}}<small>As requested by proposer.</small> | ||
Recently, I have noticed a lot of edits made to [[Template:DidYouKnow]] that were, to the most part, kinda bad. They were either unsourced in their original article, poorly-written, or just not notable enough for a section on interesting stuff (there was one that treated bomb cars exploding like something amazing).<br> | Recently, I have noticed a lot of edits made to [[Template:DidYouKnow]] that were, to the most part, kinda bad. They were either unsourced in their original article, poorly-written, or just not notable enough for a section on interesting stuff (there was one that treated bomb cars exploding like something amazing).<br> | ||
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===Split all multi-items in the ''Mario Kart'' series=== | ===Split all multi-items in the ''Mario Kart'' series=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|10-2|split}} | ||
Okay, this is something that's been bothering me since I first joined this wiki about three years ago. | Okay, this is something that's been bothering me since I first joined this wiki about three years ago. | ||
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@alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | @alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Alright, you may have a point on whether it circles the racer or not, though ''Double Dash'' is an already noted exception that makes Triple Green Shells handle like regular Green Shells, except you drop two if you take any damage. Not sure about probabilities and rarities, that can just be listed in the game section. | :Alright, you may have a point on whether it circles the racer or not, though ''Double Dash'' is an already noted exception that makes Triple Green Shells handle like regular Green Shells, except you drop two if you take any damage. Not sure about probabilities and rarities, that can just be listed in the game section. | ||
:For character specific items, though, would that just mean {{fake link|Triple Green Shells (Koopa Troopa)}} gets its own page from [[Triple Green Shells]]? Just saying Triple Green Shells are exclusive to Koopa Troopa in ''Double Dash'' (which it already does) is enough. Character exclusivity isn't enough for a split, otherwise we'd split [[Metal Mario (form)]] between it and [[Metal Wario]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:03, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | :For character specific items, though, would that just mean {{fake link|Triple Green Shells (Koopa Troopa)}} gets its own page from [[Triple Green Shells]]? Just saying Triple Green Shells are exclusive to Koopa Troopa in ''Double Dash'' (which it already does) is enough. Character exclusivity isn't enough for a split, otherwise we'd split [[Metal Mario|Metal Mario (form)]] between it and [[Metal Wario]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:03, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | ::the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::It seems like my comment was misinterpreted. What I meant is that in certain games for example, Triple Green Shells cannot be used by all characters, which is yet another difference between the two. It does not mean in any way that they should be split based off their game appearances, or that items that have no variants such as Golden Mushrooms should be split. I just meant that certain variants of items being exclusive to certain characters in certain games is another difference between them and their regular variants and thus is another reason why we should split the bunch items, and is not an individual basis for a split nor a split of a split. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:15, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | :::It seems like my comment was misinterpreted. What I meant is that in certain games for example, Triple Green Shells cannot be used by all characters, which is yet another difference between the two. It does not mean in any way that they should be split based off their game appearances, or that items that have no variants such as Golden Mushrooms should be split. I just meant that certain variants of items being exclusive to certain characters in certain games is another difference between them and their regular variants and thus is another reason why we should split the bunch items, and is not an individual basis for a split nor a split of a split. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:15, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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===Make the archives for the proposals uneditable unless you are a Bureaucrat or Admin.=== | ===Make the archives for the proposals uneditable unless you are a Bureaucrat or Admin.=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|vetoed|Proposal was only created in reaction to an accidental old-revision edit proposer made on [[MarioWiki:Proposals]]. Additionally, protecting older revisions of pages is impossible; to do that you'd need to protect the entire page, and any registered user should have the right to start their own proposal (at most they can be hidden, but that's not what that function is for).}} | ||
Somwhat recently, the proposal page was vandalized, and it was by me. I didn't know why or how I did it at first, but what happened was I went through a user page, and I found this. [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php title=MarioWiki:Proposals&oldid=2418372#Create_administrative_position_of_SUPREME]. I thought this was funny, and I added my name to the support list. However, I didn't realize that I had just edited the main proposals page, and not the archives. To keep this from happening again to another uneducated user, I think the wiki should have something in place to stop people from editing older proposals. | Somwhat recently, the proposal page was vandalized, and it was by me. I didn't know why or how I did it at first, but what happened was I went through a user page, and I found this. [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php title=MarioWiki:Proposals&oldid=2418372#Create_administrative_position_of_SUPREME]. I thought this was funny, and I added my name to the support list. However, I didn't realize that I had just edited the main proposals page, and not the archives. To keep this from happening again to another uneducated user, I think the wiki should have something in place to stop people from editing older proposals. | ||
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===Split articles/keep articles split if they have notable name and appearance changes. Merge articles if they have the same name and not enough changes from the original.=== | ===Split articles/keep articles split if they have notable name and appearance changes. Merge articles if they have the same name and not enough changes from the original.=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|failed|1-12|do nothing}} | ||
Currently, the wiki does not have a clear set guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled. If this proposal goes through I believe it will friendlier for new and exisiting wiki users as it allows content to be searched outside Mario Wiki and covered more cleanly. | Currently, the wiki does not have a clear set guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled. If this proposal goes through I believe it will friendlier for new and exisiting wiki users as it allows content to be searched outside Mario Wiki and covered more cleanly. | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} The statement that there's no policy on splitting pages with the same name (prior to any editing) is downright false; policy ''and'' consensus have stated that if something has gameplay differences, it's splitting time. Azure Roller being merged to Roller doesn't even ''need'' a proposal, just a talk page discussion. Finally, this all seems like a knee-jerk reaction to the Daisy Bomber page being converted back to a redirect, seeing as it happened just yesterday. | #{{User|TheDarkStar}} The statement that there's no policy on splitting pages with the same name (prior to any editing) is downright false; policy ''and'' consensus have stated that if something has gameplay differences, it's splitting time. Azure Roller being merged to Roller doesn't even ''need'' a proposal, just a talk page discussion. Finally, this all seems like a knee-jerk reaction to the Daisy Bomber page being converted back to a redirect, seeing as it happened just yesterday. | ||
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per DarkStar and my principle towards opposing proposals that are purely reactive and/or prioritize forcing through a user's personal opinion over all else. In support of the later, it's evident that the proposal's claim (at least prior to any editing) of the wiki lacking "a guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled" is poorly researched to the point of being blatantly false - for starters, we have [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch/3DS ports with substantial new content|this proposal regarding ports]], and with regards to slightly different entities and games bearing the same name, we have [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|this section on the "Naming" page of our writing guidelines]] and [[ | #{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per DarkStar and my principle towards opposing proposals that are purely reactive and/or prioritize forcing through a user's personal opinion over all else. In support of the later, it's evident that the proposal's claim (at least prior to any editing) of the wiki lacking "a guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled" is poorly researched to the point of being blatantly false - for starters, we have [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/52#Split Switch/3DS ports with substantial new content|this proposal regarding ports]], and with regards to slightly different entities and games bearing the same name, we have [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|this section on the "Naming" page of our writing guidelines]] and [[SMW:NA#Games|the "New Article" guideline on titling pages for ported games]], which I believe may have served as a basis for the aforementioned proposal. | ||
#{{User|Trig Jegman}} per the above, but it really seems too subjective/non-concrete to me. I think it would create more inconsistency over less due to not being able to tell alternates in-page and alternates new-page. - 11:23, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | #{{User|Trig Jegman}} per the above, but it really seems too subjective/non-concrete to me. I think it would create more inconsistency over less due to not being able to tell alternates in-page and alternates new-page. - 11:23, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} This proposal is extremely vague and your list doesn't even come close to how many articles this would affect, and is also confusing since it doesn't even mention which articles would be split and which ones would be merged if this passed. You're painting with far too broad of a brush here, matters like this should only be settled on a case-by-case basis. Also, like I told you before, having a different name alone is '''not''' an instant reason to split articles (on the other side of the coin, having the same name is also not an instant reason to merge articles) and would unnecessarily undo countless proposals over the years. I get that you really want Daisy Blossom to be split for whatever reason, but this is going way too far. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} This proposal is extremely vague and your list doesn't even come close to how many articles this would affect, and is also confusing since it doesn't even mention which articles would be split and which ones would be merged if this passed. You're painting with far too broad of a brush here, matters like this should only be settled on a case-by-case basis. Also, like I told you before, having a different name alone is '''not''' an instant reason to split articles (on the other side of the coin, having the same name is also not an instant reason to merge articles) and would unnecessarily undo countless proposals over the years. I get that you really want Daisy Blossom to be split for whatever reason, but this is going way too far. | ||
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:The pages will not be duplicate pages however. Daisy Blossom's past edits had notable changes such as new images, new descriptions, and how it relates to Daisy's past instead of Peach's past. Daisy Parasol would show Daisy's 8 different parasol designs and how she uses it in her entrance animation and not her taunts and victory animations. The articles would also not be cluttered with references to previous games, like how Cyber Slicks and Azure Rollers don't reference Mario Kart 7. I plan to also revamp the Peach special pages along with this. --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:04, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | :The pages will not be duplicate pages however. Daisy Blossom's past edits had notable changes such as new images, new descriptions, and how it relates to Daisy's past instead of Peach's past. Daisy Parasol would show Daisy's 8 different parasol designs and how she uses it in her entrance animation and not her taunts and victory animations. The articles would also not be cluttered with references to previous games, like how Cyber Slicks and Azure Rollers don't reference Mario Kart 7. I plan to also revamp the Peach special pages along with this. --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:04, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Have to second DarkStar here: The matter regarding the Final Smash will probably change when sufficient proof of differences beyond the visuals and character references (which are tied to the visual appearance, if I recall correctly) is put forth on [[Talk:Peach | :Have to second DarkStar here: The matter regarding the Final Smash will probably change when sufficient proof of differences beyond the visuals and character references (which are tied to the visual appearance, if I recall correctly) is put forth on [[Talk:Peach Blossom|the Talk Page where things were initially being discussed the day prior to this proposal]]. The same should apply for the rest of the special moves in question as well, I'd imagine. Much more pertinent is the fact that how we handle enemies and how we handle fighting moves are two entirely different baskets of eggs, and using the splitting of similar-but-differentiated enemy variants as a basis for splitting move variants that have not been sufficiently differentiated doesn't strike me as a particularly sound argument. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:13, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | ||
How so, it's literally the same thing. Goomba and Goombo have no differences beyond visuals and character references. Exact same thing with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. You can easily merge Goombo with Goomba and no one would bat an eye. I have already put many arguments as to why Daisy's moves have merits to be seperated, and to be honest none of the reasons against it strike me as compelling or more substantial than "Daisy's just Peach in orange", and how in general there's an bias against Daisy in the wiki due to her fans. I've already provided external reasons such as search engines not correctly referencing Daisy Blossom and visual differences being important. When people are looking for Daisy Blossom, I'm pretty sure they DON'T want pictures of Peach's trophies --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | How so, it's literally the same thing. Goomba and Goombo have no differences beyond visuals and character references. Exact same thing with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. You can easily merge Goombo with Goomba and no one would bat an eye. I have already put many arguments as to why Daisy's moves have merits to be seperated, and to be honest none of the reasons against it strike me as compelling or more substantial than "Daisy's just Peach in orange", and how in general there's an bias against Daisy in the wiki due to her fans. I've already provided external reasons such as search engines not correctly referencing Daisy Blossom and visual differences being important. When people are looking for Daisy Blossom, I'm pretty sure they DON'T want pictures of Peach's trophies --{{user|Memoryman3}} 11:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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===Limit content for upcoming games=== | ===Limit content for upcoming games=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|cancelled}} | ||
This Wiki really doesn't hold back on spoilers for games that still have yet to come out, even if they're being leaked by people like Prosafiagaming what it seen is added to articles almost immediately which could also heavily spoil games for readers. This is also why I'm not contributing towards anything related to Luigi's Mansion 3 right now. So I think when putting information about games that still are not released officially yet, the only information that should be included are things seen in trailers or revealed by Nintendo themselves, which should hopefully cut back on spoilers and not ruin anyone's experiences with these games too badly, and then go all-out after it has released. | This Wiki really doesn't hold back on spoilers for games that still have yet to come out, even if they're being leaked by people like Prosafiagaming what it seen is added to articles almost immediately which could also heavily spoil games for readers. This is also why I'm not contributing towards anything related to Luigi's Mansion 3 right now. So I think when putting information about games that still are not released officially yet, the only information that should be included are things seen in trailers or revealed by Nintendo themselves, which should hopefully cut back on spoilers and not ruin anyone's experiences with these games too badly, and then go all-out after it has released. | ||
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===Impose stricter policies for renaming files=== | ===Impose stricter policies for renaming files=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|failed|4-7|no change}} | ||
I think the wiki should have stricter policies for renaming files, and I will give reasons why. Before I start, I need to explain that I start the file renaming craze. In August 2018, I saw some bad file names on the ''[[Donkey Kong Country]]'' page (e.g. KrashKlash.PNG) and felt it did not describe the article clearly enough. I moved the file name to [[:File:Krash DKC.png]]. While it doesn't specifically mention "sprite" in the title, it still gives us a rough idea of what the subject is about. My file renaming led to Porplemontage adding in an extra rule on the [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Image_use_policy&diff=2496268&oldid=2318154 image use policy]. | I think the wiki should have stricter policies for renaming files, and I will give reasons why. Before I start, I need to explain that I start the file renaming craze. In August 2018, I saw some bad file names on the ''[[Donkey Kong Country]]'' page (e.g. KrashKlash.PNG) and felt it did not describe the article clearly enough. I moved the file name to [[:File:Krash DKC.png]]. While it doesn't specifically mention "sprite" in the title, it still gives us a rough idea of what the subject is about. My file renaming led to Porplemontage adding in an extra rule on the [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Image_use_policy&diff=2496268&oldid=2318154 image use policy]. | ||
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Another thing is if I were quickly searching for a picture of, let's say, [[Rambi the Rhino]]. If all the images were named DKC Rambi or DKC2 Rambi, then it would be harder to find images on Rambi alone. Users could search on Rambi's article for images, but at least there's some diversity in file naming options. In my opinion, the diversity in file names corresponds to the inclusive nature of that Super Mario Wiki has. | Another thing is if I were quickly searching for a picture of, let's say, [[Rambi the Rhino]]. If all the images were named DKC Rambi or DKC2 Rambi, then it would be harder to find images on Rambi alone. Users could search on Rambi's article for images, but at least there's some diversity in file naming options. In my opinion, the diversity in file names corresponds to the inclusive nature of that Super Mario Wiki has. | ||
File names are ultimately the backend to the wiki. It does not affect what the wiki is mainly about, providing content on the ''Mario'', ''Yoshi'', ''Wario'', and my favorite series of them all, the ''Donkey Kong'' series. The file is displayed the same whether it has a hyphen, a space, or even all the words lumped together (the lattermost option can be convenient in some cases, for instance, so that a user does not have to alternate between the Shift key and spacebar; i personally like the visibility for filenames, but I am just noting the option is there). The average reader will not notice the difference to a file name at all. If 50 files are being moved every hour, the poor administrators are being put to work deleting all the redirects, when we could be focusing on more important issues, such as [[:Category: | File names are ultimately the backend to the wiki. It does not affect what the wiki is mainly about, providing content on the ''Mario'', ''Yoshi'', ''Wario'', and my favorite series of them all, the ''Donkey Kong'' series. The file is displayed the same whether it has a hyphen, a space, or even all the words lumped together (the lattermost option can be convenient in some cases, for instance, so that a user does not have to alternate between the Shift key and spacebar; i personally like the visibility for filenames, but I am just noting the option is there). The average reader will not notice the difference to a file name at all. If 50 files are being moved every hour, the poor administrators are being put to work deleting all the redirects, when we could be focusing on more important issues, such as [[:Category:Articles to be rewritten]], [[:Category:Articles that need an image]], or anything other under the [[:Category:Maintenance|maintenance]] category. | ||
I think we could discuss some '''suggested''' naming standards to add to the image use policy. For example, I like the naming standard where it lists the subject, the game name/abbreviation, and then the type of image. The subject's name first because the image is about the character, the location, the item, etc. first and foremost. The game name or abbreviate shows the game that the character is in. Lastly, the type describes if the image is either artwork, sprite, screenshot, logo, etc. For example, Rambi DKC sprite.png . For the "type" part of the filename, i like to make it lowercase, since the 'type' is comparable to an identifier of an article. Words such as screenshot, sprite, and logo are common noun, so if I made them lowercase, it's quicker to distinguish the proper noun (like the game, character names) from the common noun (like the word 'sprite' or 'screenshot'). | I think we could discuss some '''suggested''' naming standards to add to the image use policy. For example, I like the naming standard where it lists the subject, the game name/abbreviation, and then the type of image. The subject's name first because the image is about the character, the location, the item, etc. first and foremost. The game name or abbreviate shows the game that the character is in. Lastly, the type describes if the image is either artwork, sprite, screenshot, logo, etc. For example, Rambi DKC sprite.png . For the "type" part of the filename, i like to make it lowercase, since the 'type' is comparable to an identifier of an article. Words such as screenshot, sprite, and logo are common noun, so if I made them lowercase, it's quicker to distinguish the proper noun (like the game, character names) from the common noun (like the word 'sprite' or 'screenshot'). | ||
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===Create articles on the River Survival routes in ''Super Mario Party''=== | ===Create articles on the River Survival routes in ''Super Mario Party''=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|6-0|create}} | ||
Honestly, I think there should be separate articles on the fifteen River Survival routes in ''[[Super Mario Party]]'', as they always have fixed layouts and are in fixed locations. After all, I already created the Challenge Road worlds due to a precedent already set with the Minigame Island worlds from ''[[Mario Party: The Top 100]]'', and this isn't too different. | Honestly, I think there should be separate articles on the fifteen River Survival routes in ''[[Super Mario Party]]'', as they always have fixed layouts and are in fixed locations. After all, I already created the Challenge Road worlds due to a precedent already set with the Minigame Island worlds from ''[[Mario Party: The Top 100]]'', and this isn't too different. | ||
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===Clean up latest appearances for crossover characters=== | ===Clean up latest appearances for crossover characters=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|4-2|change latest appearances}} | ||
Currently, the way we handle the latest appearance section on infoboxes for crossover characters in certain cases is a bit awkward. If the character's latest appearance is in a game that is a crossover with the Mario franchise, that game is listed alongside their latest appearance within their series. For characters who have not had installments in their series before a crossover installment, this becomes a bit awkward and we list both. Since I've probably lost you by this point, I'll provide some examples: | Currently, the way we handle the latest appearance section on infoboxes for crossover characters in certain cases is a bit awkward. If the character's latest appearance is in a game that is a crossover with the Mario franchise, that game is listed alongside their latest appearance within their series. For characters who have not had installments in their series before a crossover installment, this becomes a bit awkward and we list both. Since I've probably lost you by this point, I'll provide some examples: | ||
*Captain Falcon lists both F-Zero Climax (2004) alongside Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as his latest appearance. | *Captain Falcon lists both F-Zero Climax (2004) alongside Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as his latest appearance. | ||
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===Decide how to name the ''Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games'' for 3DS story mode episode articles=== | ===Decide how to name the ''Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games'' for 3DS story mode episode articles=== | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|11-0-0|descriptive title}} | ||
Continuing with the clean-up of ''Mario & Sonic'' coverage, I've recently finished the last of the handheld event articles, so next I plan on moving onto creating articles for the episodes in the Story Mode of the 3DS version of ''Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games''. For some context, the story mode is broken up into a number of episodes, each of which consist of a cutscene that sets up some events, a number of events or event medleys that must be completed to progress, followed by another cutscene. Based on that, the articles will consist of a summary of the plot, a list of the events including the rivals and entry characters for it, plus any special conditions certain events may have, and any other relevant information. However, before I can get started on any of this, there are a couple of issues that need to be resolved around the articles themselves- and first of these is the name. Each episode has three different names it goes by. One is a more descriptive title like the sort of thing you'd expect as an episode in a TV show, and is generally presented as the main one, as it usually appears in a larger font and in the centre of the screen, and I personally think that this is the best option. The second is a numbered title consisting of the character group and episode number, it usually appears as a subtitle but more closely matches the way that the episodes are referenced in badge descriptions outside of the story mode. However, while they are numbered roughly in order, it is a little muddled, for examples, there are an additional six episodes between Heroes Episode 2 and Heroes Episode 3, and Heroes Episode 2 is followed by Tricksters Episode 1, Tricksters Episode 2, Wild Ones Episode 1 and Wild Ones Episode 2. The numbers of each wildly vary as well, from two for the Wild Ones to five for the Heroes. Both of these titles also appear in the extra episodes without events. The last one is like a short form version of the second one, it only appears in events as a short way to identify which episode you're in. I really don't think we should use this one, but I'm just including it for the sake of completeness. Below is a table comparing the names of some of the episodes to more clearly show the difference. | Continuing with the clean-up of ''Mario & Sonic'' coverage, I've recently finished the last of the handheld event articles, so next I plan on moving onto creating articles for the episodes in the Story Mode of the 3DS version of ''Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games''. For some context, the story mode is broken up into a number of episodes, each of which consist of a cutscene that sets up some events, a number of events or event medleys that must be completed to progress, followed by another cutscene. Based on that, the articles will consist of a summary of the plot, a list of the events including the rivals and entry characters for it, plus any special conditions certain events may have, and any other relevant information. However, before I can get started on any of this, there are a couple of issues that need to be resolved around the articles themselves- and first of these is the name. Each episode has three different names it goes by. One is a more descriptive title like the sort of thing you'd expect as an episode in a TV show, and is generally presented as the main one, as it usually appears in a larger font and in the centre of the screen, and I personally think that this is the best option. The second is a numbered title consisting of the character group and episode number, it usually appears as a subtitle but more closely matches the way that the episodes are referenced in badge descriptions outside of the story mode. However, while they are numbered roughly in order, it is a little muddled, for examples, there are an additional six episodes between Heroes Episode 2 and Heroes Episode 3, and Heroes Episode 2 is followed by Tricksters Episode 1, Tricksters Episode 2, Wild Ones Episode 1 and Wild Ones Episode 2. The numbers of each wildly vary as well, from two for the Wild Ones to five for the Heroes. Both of these titles also appear in the extra episodes without events. The last one is like a short form version of the second one, it only appears in events as a short way to identify which episode you're in. I really don't think we should use this one, but I'm just including it for the sake of completeness. Below is a table comparing the names of some of the episodes to more clearly show the difference. | ||
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Add RARS to Template:Ratingsadd 20-0 Proposer: Revilime (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsHow isn't it distinct from it? -- FanOfYoshi 12:12, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
RARS was created in 2012. So, only games released after that have RARS rating, I think.-- Reviilime (talk · edits) 12:36, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
Reviilime (talk · edits) 13:01, July 12, 2019 (EDT) @FanOfYoshi heh I appreciate inputting my name in Cyrillic but ignoring that Baby Luigi is actually called Малыш Луиджи, my name romanized would actually be spelled Бейби Луиджи. It was pretty close though! Ray Trace(T|C) 14:09, July 16, 2019 (EDT) Create a Mario Party 11 redirectrecreate 17-0 Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsHere's the proposal in question in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. (T|C) 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT) Super Mario Party does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game. Scrooge200 (talk) 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
Create articles for the worlds in Dr. Mario Worldcanceled by the administrators After looking at the above proposal, knowing that Dr. Mario World simply doesn't warrant articles for each of its worlds, we'd might as well get the game's worlds themselves covered. Each of Dr. Mario World's levels don't have much information to about themselves, but the worlds as a whole have a lot more that can be brought up about them. Kinda like five sticks being tied together being stronger than each individual stick. 'Nuff said, the above proposal and the opinions of Toadette the Achiever and Mario JC back this proposal up. Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk) Support
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CommentsThere's absolutely no point in forcing a second proposal, just vote on the appropriate option above and state your reasoning as you did here. The proposal seems to have an overwhelming consensus now, but there's the remote possibility of it changing by the proposal's end. -- Lord G. matters. 23:29, July 21, 2019 (EDT) Add template for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's movescanceled by the administrators I've noticed that previous Super Smash Bros. games have templates leading to the characters' special moves, as well as universal techniques like air dodging, footstool jumping, and tether recoveries. It's been more than 7 months since Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - the most recent Smash game - was released, yet we still don't have a templates dedicated to its characters' moves. I'd like to change that. Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk) Support
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CommentsThis really does not need a proposal. All other Smash games have a template like this, and it should automatically should be no different for Ultimate. Doomhiker (talk) 19:36, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
btw opposes mean you don't want the template to exist in the first place, so that's kind of conflicting with your comments. I can probably just cancel this outright, but I want to see what MarioManiac says first. 21:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Add when the Just released and New subject should be removed, while slightly rewording the former templatechange the templates 10-0 This is how the templates should look like after this proposal passes, if it does: This article is about a game that has just been released. Major changes should be made by a contributor who has a reliable source. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released. This article is about a subject in an upcoming or recently released game. When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released. The templates' pages will also include the date of removal. Proposer: Doomhiker (talk) Support
OpposeComments@FanOfYoshi I done it on this page due to it affecting two templates. I would much rather one proposal then two dealing with near-identical matters. Doomhiker (talk) 13:22, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
Disallow use of "per all" votes on proposals and featured article nominationscanceled by proposer Therefore, I propose that the use of "Per all" in any proposal or featured article nominations be prohibited, and any votes involving its use are eligible for removal (unless they provide other reasons along with "per all", in which case the "per all" portion of the vote be removed and the rest of the vote stays as-is). "Per proposal" and "Per <user>" votes will still be allowed, but in the case of the latter, voters must list the users they most strongly agree with, one by one. This provides at least some certainty that they have considered the matter carefully, and examined the reasons to see which ones they buy. Proposer: YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Support
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CommentsYes, there's an inherent irony in my typing an entire paragraph about how this is going to make people feel compelled to type paragraphs, and no, I don't much care because that's well beside the point. -- Lord G. matters. 19:02, July 27, 2019 (EDT)
I do think that rule of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it" is not necessary. Per all and blank votes are simply just reiterating the other positions. To assume the worst from blank votes kinda runs against the whole "assume good faith" sort of thing. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:37, July 27, 2019 (EDT) Create articles on individual Dr. Mario levelsOnly create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure 3-11-0-0 It still bothers me that somehow the Dr. Mario series levels aren't explicitly covered by policy, so I propose that we be able to create them. I know that it may be a bit of a stretch to propose this, but I think we have a good precedent to go by: the levels from the Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, as even though they aren't really comprehensive levels per se (and thus would technically be in the same boat as the aforementioned Dr. Mario series levels), they still have articles nonetheless. Should this proposal fail for either game, tables on the list of stages in each game will be created instead. Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk) Create articles for both games' levels
Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure
Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario WorldDon't create any articlesCommentsFor the level layouts, we can show the virus layouts like this: Is it a good idea? TheDarkStar 15:37, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
What about full Worlds in Dr. Mario World? I think those should recieve articles, but probably not the individual levels. --DeepFriedCabbage 17:08, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
there i made an article on one of the worlds from dr mario world Ray Trace(T|C) 17:51, July 25, 2019 (EDT) Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleriesreorganize 13-1 Even if this proposal does pass, we should consider sorting the merchandise into sections or articles, so like Super Mario series merchandise, Yoshi's Island merchandise, Donkey Kong series merchandise, Mario Kart merchandise. There's simply too much merchandise. Mario is one of the biggest gaming franchise of them all and has numerous spinoffs and franchises. The longevity of the franchise makes me think it's the biggest gaming franchise of them all... I'm definitely going to need the community's help on this big proposal. Proposer: Results May Vary (talk) Support
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CommentsSo what are some possible ideas for how we will reorganize the articles into mainspace? What will the titles be? I definitely think doing it by franchise and spinoff series is the way to go. general merchandise (such as generic mario emblem) can be sorted under "general merchandise" or something like that. I want to hear your opinions. Results May Vary (talk) 22:10, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
New template: Alphabetizefailed 6-14 The template would look like this: It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in alphabetical order. Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk) Support
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Commentsi said that the borders of the template is too thick and it's inconsistent with the rest of the templates in its fashion. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
@Doomhiker, Tense can likely go. It's a subsidiary of the Rewrite template, even sharing its category. No mainspace pages are currently using it, possibly using the standard Rewrite template instead. It seems pretty redundant. As for Trivia, it's meant for one specific type of section and has its own category to go with it. 15:16, August 2, 2019 (EDT)
One suggestion I have would be to add a parameter for the user to specify a request for another sort order other than alphabetical (e.g., "It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in release-date order." for character screenshot galleries) as other sort orders are common and I have seen many character screenshot galleries that aren't sorted properly. This may address Results May Vary's point. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 22:53, August 2, 2019 (EDT) Ban friend userboxescanceled by proposer I've seen users giving each other friend userboxes after a "friend request" (a talk page message). Thing is, this is not a social media site. There is no reason to keep around a relic from the past that should have been removed years ago. Proposer: TheDarkStar (talk) Support
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CommentsYes, i'm aware that this is not a social media, but as long as they are not too frequent, they can stay. I oppose. -- FanOfYoshi 10:47, August 10, 2019 (EDT) @Niiue: I'm pretty sure that one of the MarioWiki pages said "this is not a social media site" somewhere, but I'll remove the misinformation. Friend userboxes don't positively impact the wiki either. No reason to keep something that doesn't do anything besides look nice. TheDarkStar 11:04, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
Determine how to handle unused appearancesinclude in the history section in other appearances 0-0-13-0 Proposer: Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Keep in pre-release and unused content sections onlyKeep in the trivia sectionInclude in the history section in "Other appearances"
Include in the history section as its own subsectionCommentsOn a similar note, if we're going to be moving "actual" (so-to-speak) appearances of subjects to an other appearances section, can we move sections that consist of "this subject doesn't appear in this game but something similar does" to other appearances or remove them entirely? It's always bothered me looking over history sections and seeing sections for games those subjects never appeared in just because of the appearance of a subspecies or similar concept, i.e. Dry Bones in 3D World and Odyssey. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:43, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
@Mario Sakuraba I think minor cameos should be included as their own subsections as long as they still remain in the Mario series. For example, a Koopa Shell making a small appearance in Kirby Super Star would go in other appearances, but Yoshi in SM64 would get its own section. --DeepFriedCabbage 17:10, August 20, 2019 (EDT) I also think appearances in board games, card games, etc. based on the Mario series should go in other appearances. --DeepFriedCabbage 17:11, August 20, 2019 (EDT) Create a DYK Committeecancelled by administrator Recently, I have noticed a lot of edits made to Template:DidYouKnow that were, to the most part, kinda bad. They were either unsourced in their original article, poorly-written, or just not notable enough for a section on interesting stuff (there was one that treated bomb cars exploding like something amazing).
And this was brought up by Lord Bowser on the boards; we could also turn the Poll Committee into a Main Page Committee and let them do all the Main Page updating. Drawbacks:
Proposer: TheDarkStar (talk) Create a DYK Committee
Make the Poll Committee a Main Page CommitteeDo nothing
CommentsOn the talk page for the template, I suggested that the Did You Know committee could also be in charge of the Featured Article and News sections on the Main Page as well. What are your thoughts on this? --DeepFriedCabbage 12:04, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
I suggest reading this thread. Some ideas were thrown around. LudwigVon is open to expanding thee pc to include DYK too. Doomhiker (talk) 12:56, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
@7feetunder: There is a point to this. If bad edits are consistently being made to the template, along with its bursts of inactivity, why would a few users in a committee working on it be a problem? You can't just block one or two users from editing for something as small as that. DYK, as minor as it is, is on the Main Page. If something is consistently being badly written, you find a solution. These edits weren't vandalism or something, they were adding facts to the DYK template... that happened to be non-notable, but facts nonetheless. Anyone can add facts to it, yes, but this includes everyone who considers stuff like lit bombs exploding or save data descriptions notable. I'm rather skeptical about people having "less ideas" for DYK, when we literally work on a massive Mario database filled with interesting facts. If they're really idea-starved, they can just hit "Random page" until they find something interesting. Besides, three or four people would be an upgrade, compared to the two who regularly update it. Either way, it is perfectly fine to contact a committee member that something isn't alright; heck, you could just contact an admin, since the template would likely be admin-protected. If I noticed bad edits being made to a featured article, I would revert them, since they, unlike DYK, are not meant to be updated every week with interesting info. TheDarkStar 10:48, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
@TheDarkStar: You can ask for the proposal to be cancelled if you want, IIRC. -- Lord G. matters. 12:17, September 25, 2019 (EDT)
Split all multi-items in the Mario Kart seriessplit 10-2 One of the habits of choice in 2009/2010 was destroying small articles deemed "stubs" and merging them into parent articles. This included the multi-items from the Mario Kart series, and no one opposed it then. While back then everything was merged with good intentions, right now I don't see exactly how those articles are "stubs" at all. It's also not like they're just multiple items in one; in fact, there are some traits about Mario Kart multi-items that actually function different from the base item. The most common difference is the multiple items orbiting the player's kart (Double Bob-ombs, Triple Green Shells and Triple Red Shells in all games they appear in except Double Dash!!, and Triple Bananas and Triple Mushrooms in 8 and 8 Deluxe), though there are other differences as well (such as automatically being placed behind the player's kart). Plus, it's usually common sense to split out similarly-looking items when nearly everything else about them is different. In addition, the way the subjects are clumped together aren't that impressive either; what else would it be but trying to alternate between subjects when presenting them in separate articles would be better? All in all, these are fairly separate subjects I would like to see re-split. Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsHere's the full list:
I think it's also worth noting that Banana Bunch is the exceptional case here; I'd also support throwing in the Donkey Kong Country series information seeing as how we already handle 5 Coin and 10-Coin. (T|C) 15:27, October 5, 2019 (EDT)
@alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
Make the archives for the proposals uneditable unless you are a Bureaucrat or Admin.vetoed by the administrators Proposer: Mad_Hunter_ (talk) Support
OpposeSplit articles/keep articles split if they have notable name and appearance changes. Merge articles if they have the same name and not enough changes from the original.do nothing 1-12 I propose that articles covering similar should be split in the following conditions.
Articles possibily affected include: Daisy Blossom, Daisy Bomber, Daisy Parasol, Azure Roller, Cyber Slick, Goombo and the ports of games with the same name such as Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Luigi's Mansion. Proposer: Memoryman3 (talk) Support
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CommentsWe already split subjects with different names and appearances, such as with Goombo. Regardless, arguably Daisy's special moves are different than other variants, as Daisy is labelled as an echo fighter, contrary to other examples of variants which are often treated as their own separate thing. Due to that there is less ground to split Daisy's special moves when they are literally part of a official clone of a character. Regardless, the "and if there are less than four variants" thing is unnecessary, as really if a thing should be split than it should be split, merging stuff just because there is a lot of things would just be confusing and would pad out articles for no reason. Doomhiker (talk) 09:24, October 20, 2019 (EDT) There are more differences between Daisy's moves and Peach's moves than Goombos and Goombas. I believe Daisy still have a seperate Movelist page in the game than Peach has. In New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe, Blue Toad and Yellow Toad were similar enough to be merged and not seperately selectable in game, and literally call the same model. They have seperate pages on the wiki. Echo Fighters are more like how you copy a file and it still takes up extra space on your harddrive, rather than creating a file shortcut. The original Japanese meaning even references how derivative numbers are still different numbers despite being copied from. --Memoryman3 (talk) 09:30, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
I have updated the proposal to more clearly reflect what I mean, and how this could be applied wiki wide. This is not reactive. --Memoryman3 (talk) 10:29, October 20, 2019 (EDT) Been following the matter on the talk page, and this is rather poor form to say the least. -- Lord G. matters. 10:32, October 20, 2019 (EDT) Generally poor form to make a proposal when you've been unanimously opposed on the talk page beforehand. TheDarkStar 10:37, October 20, 2019 (EDT) Explain how Daisy's moves don't deserve their own pages when they have been given their own pages ingame, plus content such as the identical Mario Kart wheels, Goombo, and the two Toads allowed to have their own pages with even less differences? That does not make any sense to me. We can very easily merge Goombo with Goomba as it is just the Super Mario Land variant of a Goomba with an appearance change. --Memoryman3 (talk) 10:40, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
In addition, Goombo and Goomba have different Japanese and English names, were explicitly described as relatives, and variants of existing enemies already have precedents for splitting. Try again. -- Lord G. matters. 10:46, October 20, 2019 (EDT) Yes, but Daisy's moves arguably fall under the Goombo and Goomba variants. Daisy's moves, whilst behaving the same as Peach's moves, have differences including visual effects. Visuals are still a difference worth noting. If Daisy's moves looked a bit different and had the same name it would make sense to keep them merged. However the naming being different means that in order for the move to be properly represented across the web, it needs to be split into a new article. If you type Daisy Blossom into Google you don't get relevant images easily, unlike with Peach Blossom. Additionally. Daisy Blossom does not appear in any other Smash game other than Ultimate. They are also technically seperate moves, such as how Blue Toad and Yellow Toad are seperate characters. Daisy is not a Peach costume, she is unlocked seperately. It is the same thing for Azure Roller and normal Roller. Different unlock times, different appearances, different names, different wheels. A split makes sense even though the function is the same. --Memoryman3 (talk) 10:50, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
How so, it's literally the same thing. Goomba and Goombo have no differences beyond visuals and character references. Exact same thing with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. You can easily merge Goombo with Goomba and no one would bat an eye. I have already put many arguments as to why Daisy's moves have merits to be seperated, and to be honest none of the reasons against it strike me as compelling or more substantial than "Daisy's just Peach in orange", and how in general there's an bias against Daisy in the wiki due to her fans. I've already provided external reasons such as search engines not correctly referencing Daisy Blossom and visual differences being important. When people are looking for Daisy Blossom, I'm pretty sure they DON'T want pictures of Peach's trophies --Memoryman3 (talk) 11:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
Gameplay is not an argument. In fact I would say that basing it only on gameplay is unfair, when there are visual differences that affect areas such as Google Images. Or how an end user is looking for a specific variant. In that case we can say that there's no difference at all between Blue Toad and Yellow Toad and that they don't deserve seperate articles. But we split them, because when someone is looking for Blue Toad or a specific variant of a wheel, they are looking for information on that Toad or wheel specifically. Merging Daisy's named moves benefits absolutely no one except the people who REALLY dislike clone characters in fighting games and think they should be erased. --Memoryman3 (talk) 11:58, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
That does not explain why the seperate wheel designs in Mario Kart are still covered seperately despite only having decal differences. I am not objecting to these but Daisy's is literally the only case of differently named moves being used on different characters, in a different list of games, being merged. I'm not arguing that every similar move and object should be merged. I'm arguing that they should stay seperate and Daisy's moves should be seperated too. The establishment of them being different is straight in game, where Daisy Bomber and Peach Bomber have their own pages. Smash in itself is not a traditional fighter either. --Memoryman3 (talk) 12:23, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
That...still doesn't explain the wheels in Mario Kart. One user already explained merging the palette swapped wheels made them uneasy, despite them being identical in every other way. Also, I think being an Echo Fighter is not a good reason to merge the moves, when they are not exactly the same. Fighting game fans do have an inherent bias against clone characters and it ripples everywhere from message boards to tier lists. What benefit is there to keeping Daisy's moves merged, and do they outweigh the drawbacks, if there are even any? I agree though, I don't think I have made my point clear and this proposal is too vague. --Memoryman3 (talk) 12:35, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
That falls apart when you realise that quoted from the wiki itself, The only difference between the Roller and Azure Roller is the azure palette and the gray screw-like rims, surrounded by a yellow outline., Absolutely no stat differences whatsoever. Many wheels in Mario Kart have identical stats, yet they are seperated for consistency. By that precedent, all of Daisy's named specials should be seperated for encyclopedic intergity and a lack of bias. Arguing against it is essentially identical to arguing against WaluigiTime's point of keeping the wheels seperate.--Memoryman3 (talk) 13:02, October 20, 2019 (EDT) I wasn't going to comment further, but here's an Omega Tyrant-style deconstruction. Currently, the wiki does not have a clear set guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled. I agree about most of this propsal being vague. I want to delete it and make a talk page proposal on the relevant article. --Memoryman3 (talk) 13:44, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
As for Star Thwomp and Super Thwomp, it is literally the same entity, but Prima gave it a different name. Peach's moves and Daisy's moves exist together as different entities with OBVIOUS VISUAL DIFFERENCES but function the same. 2 out of 3. That should be enough. --Memoryman3 (talk) 17:12, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
YOU think that's not enough to warrant a split. What about if there are several roller wheels and they each got their own pages. despite having as you put it, only minor differences in the textures. The fact that Peach Blossom and Daisy Blossom only are two moves means that a split wouldn't look messy and unwarranted, because then the seperate content can be covered without making the page look cluttered. That is the point I want to get across, and seeing as how many other extremely similar cases are handled, I think there is a strong, strong personal bias. --Memoryman3 (talk) 06:01, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
Limit content for upcoming gamescanceled by proposer Proposer: Mario Sakuraba (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsToadette the Achiever and TheDarkStar could you guys at least give a constructive argument or something rather than just saying "we're not removing spoilers"? And Trig Jegman where was this explained before? Mario Sakuraba (talk)
I should also point out that I'm not trying to be "forceful" about this, I'll accept without grudges if this doesn't go through. I at least want you all to be civilised here too. Mario Sakuraba (talk) 11:12, October 29, 2019 (EDT)
Impose stricter policies for renaming filesno change 4-7 Some months later, there has been a file renaming craze. Without getting into specifics here, this has not only led to correcting poorly named files. This has also led to minor things like "WW" being changed to Wario World simply because another game, Wario's Woods, has the same abbreviation. However, Wild Swing-Ding is obviously not in Wario's Woods, for others who know the game well enough. Let's talk about the dashes/hyphens. Now I'm aware a recent rule has allowed them in subject name, but why should we move a file like File:CharacterSelect-SSBMelee.png if it already describes the subject clearly enough? A hyphen or space, it won't describe the file name any more or less. I have seen a lot of file names with parentheses (ex. File:Home-Run Contest (Super Smash Bros. Melee).jpg). Now for me, this isn't the most ideal way to name a file, but it still describes the article nonetheless. Sometimes it helps me not take a closer glance at the file name. For example, File:Yoshi Artwork - Mario Party 6.png. If the file were named File:Yoshi Artwork Mario Party 6.png it would not separate the game name from the character and subject. This are other files that I believe should not be renamed. Again, we should only rename if it is evident that the image could use with a better name or is not described clearly enough. Another issue is the category, Category:Pages with broken file links. There's already 4,300+ pages in here, and if we keep renaming files unnecessarily, then it would only get larger and larger. I admit that I am guilty for adding to the list, since I have renamed/replaced many many images, but ultimately, does the average user want to be changing the file names on their userpage constantly? Only administrators can edit user pages as well, so users cannot fix the names of renamed images on their user pages. Another thing is if I were quickly searching for a picture of, let's say, Rambi the Rhino. If all the images were named DKC Rambi or DKC2 Rambi, then it would be harder to find images on Rambi alone. Users could search on Rambi's article for images, but at least there's some diversity in file naming options. In my opinion, the diversity in file names corresponds to the inclusive nature of that Super Mario Wiki has. File names are ultimately the backend to the wiki. It does not affect what the wiki is mainly about, providing content on the Mario, Yoshi, Wario, and my favorite series of them all, the Donkey Kong series. The file is displayed the same whether it has a hyphen, a space, or even all the words lumped together (the lattermost option can be convenient in some cases, for instance, so that a user does not have to alternate between the Shift key and spacebar; i personally like the visibility for filenames, but I am just noting the option is there). The average reader will not notice the difference to a file name at all. If 50 files are being moved every hour, the poor administrators are being put to work deleting all the redirects, when we could be focusing on more important issues, such as Category:Articles to be rewritten, Category:Articles that need an image, or anything other under the maintenance category. I think we could discuss some suggested naming standards to add to the image use policy. For example, I like the naming standard where it lists the subject, the game name/abbreviation, and then the type of image. The subject's name first because the image is about the character, the location, the item, etc. first and foremost. The game name or abbreviate shows the game that the character is in. Lastly, the type describes if the image is either artwork, sprite, screenshot, logo, etc. For example, Rambi DKC sprite.png . For the "type" part of the filename, i like to make it lowercase, since the 'type' is comparable to an identifier of an article. Words such as screenshot, sprite, and logo are common noun, so if I made them lowercase, it's quicker to distinguish the proper noun (like the game, character names) from the common noun (like the word 'sprite' or 'screenshot'). For screenshots, I tend to name based on whatever the context is about. For example, in Mario Kart Wii, if Luigi is racing in Wario's Gold Mine, during the part where he encounters many Swoopers, I would name it like a sentence, e.g. "Luigi and Swoopers in Wario's Gold Mine MKWii.png". Keep in mind this is only an example and a suggestion on one of many possible ways I would clearly describe the file in shortest terms possible. For screenshots such as the start of World 1-1 in the 1985 Super Mario Bros. there would be less options for clearly naming the file as it's only Mario (or Luigi in 2P mode). For a file like this, I would name it "World 1-1 SMB1 start.png". In short, the proposal is to more strictly regulate on when users can rename files, such as only if the extension is uppercase, or if the subject is not described clearly enough or has redundancy (e.g. "3293 mario 1.jpg" could be more accurately renamed to 'Mario in Castle Courtyard SM64.jpg'). All the examples for naming that I gave are suggestions, and I'd love to hear the community's input on this proposal. Proposer: Results May Vary (talk) Support
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CommentsPretty sure the actual in-place rule is "don't rename files that are already named accurately," which has recently been broken to hell and back, thus annoying ME to hell and back. Anyways, I think that putting the game abbreviation before the subject makes infinitely more sense, as it's easier to find things in a licensing-based image category that way. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:11, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
Well it's very very clear that this was targetted to me, or at least a majority of it is. I'm not necessarily upset about this, but I am somewhat disturbed by the fact that if I'm the main issue to you (the collective) here, that none of you would at least try to come to me about it? Hyphens were the only thing that were really ever brought up to me and even then a heavy majority of that conversation was more about what I was doing and not really asking why. There's nothing stopping me from explaining why I choose to rename a file except that virtually nobody consults me on it. I have a talk page too, y'know. If something isn't working out, like hyphens or WW being split to Wario's Woods/Wario World (which I still deem as a valid change), I would be delighted to work it out and reach a consensus. Please don't assume I won't try and work with you. That's fine or whatever, I guess. I'm close to supporting this, which may or may or not surprise you, with some exceptions in regards to Doc and I leaning more towards the Game-Object-Type format, and the disuse of parentheses in pages. I'm not sure if I would even stop there, either, as I think it would be better to rewrite/recreate the Image Use Policy to have a much clearer standard for the initial naming files, before addressing the rename of files as a new section. To quote RMV, "Another thing is if I were quickly searching for a picture of, let's say, Rambi the Rhino. If all the images were named DKC Rambi or DKC2 Rambi, then it would be harder to find images on Rambi alone. Users could search on Rambi's article for images, but at least there's some diversity in file naming options. In my opinion, the diversity in file names corresponds to the inclusive nature of that Super Mario Wiki has." This statement is a part of why I have increased the general size of files I rename, because a lot of files have been along the lines of Mario1 or Waluigi3, which is not very descriptive. EDIT (addition): Another interesting comment from TheDarkStar is "breaks userpage files like crazy". I actually do sometimes make talk page comments about the files I change if I know offhand that the user is active. I can do this at a higher frequency if so requested of me. In short, my biggest intent is that I should be able to look at a file name and know what is in the image and what game the image is from without seeing the picture. I think overall if this had a little more structure to what would be changed, I would be happy to both help create a standard and to sign on said standard. As of now, however, this seems more of a concept than an action. Trig - 10:46, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
First of all, we don't need to be strict about how we name things. Game-type-subject is a suggestion, not a requirement. As long as the image says what it needs to, the file name is fine. However, there can be multiple images with the same subject, such as File:MP9 Mario.png and File:Mario MP9.png, so renaming them to be clearer is perfectly acceptable as well. The same holds true for images of subjects with both an artwork and a sprite image on the wiki, renaming the file to be distinct is helpful. But again, it's not a requirement, and it's up to the editor if they want to fix it.
I agree with the sentiment that images that already have clear titles shouldn't be renamed, and renaming titles specifically to remove things like dashes and hyphens is going overboard. That being said, this seems like something that needs a long discussion and probably shouldn't have been immediately rushed to the proposal stage. For that reason, I am remaining neutral. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 16:32, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
Create articles on the River Survival routes in Super Mario Partycreate 6-0 Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsThis is the full list, in alphabetical order:
-(T|C) 18:02, October 26, 2019 (EDT) Clean up latest appearances for crossover characterschange latest appearances 4-2
(On an odd note, Banjo doesn't do this - maybe because his first appearance overall was Diddy Kong Racing? Not quite sure here) This seems very odd to me because those crossover installments ARE their latest appearance, yet somehow it's treated as "lesser" solely because of its connection to the Mario series. This is especially awkward when we're dealing with "dead" franchises like F-Zero where the other "latest appearance" predates their true latest appearance by over a decade. Therefore, I propose that we remove these older games from the infobox solely in cases where the crossover installment in question was released after these games. Aside from Smash, this would probably affect a majority of our Sonic characters thanks to Rio 2020's very recent release. Characters who have since appeared in other games in their own series after the release of these crossover installments, such as Link and Kirby, would be unaffected by this proposal. Frankly, I almost confused myself writing this, so if you have any questions please let me know in the comments. Proposer: Waluigi Time (talk) Support
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Comments@Tails777: I don't see why what franchise it is matters. What's your opinion on Kirby, who currently lists his latest appearance outside of crossovers as Link's Awakening for the Switch? No mention of the Kirby series there. Fox, Falco, and Wolf also list their latest non-crossover appearance as Starlink: Battle for Atlas, which isn't even a Star Fox game, but features the characters anyway exclusively on the Switch version. If we can neglect mentioning the Kirby/Star Fox franchises in those cases since their latest appearance in those franchises aren't actually their latest appearance, what's the big deal doing it for Smash/Mario & Sonic/any other Mario-relevant content? Are we really going to treat those games as "inferior" in some way just because they happen to be related to the franchise that this wiki is about? That doesn't make sense to me at all. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 16:10, November 6, 2019 (EST)
@FanOfYoshi: That sounds like a really weak vote to me. Do you have any reasons why you don't think it should be changed? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:15, November 12, 2019 (EST) Lemme see if I have this right: You want to remove non-Smash latest appearances from the infoboxes if they are crossovers themselves, keep things just to their own series above and a Mario-related game below? I don't think any games are "inferior", but doing it that way, "latest" would be an inaccurate term. 12:31, November 12, 2019 (EST)
I know it's a bit late in the proposal for this, but I have created an example of the proposed changes in my sandbox if anyone's still confused. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:46, November 12, 2019 (EST) Decide how to name the Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for 3DS story mode episode articlesdescriptive title 11-0-0
Whatever the outcome, redirects of the other titles will be made to lead to the page. The names I'm using to refer to the titles are not official, but I'm just using these so that I don't have to use a long description every time I need it. If any of this is unclear or you'd like some more information, feel free to bring it up in the comments. Proposer: BBQ Turtle (talk) Descriptive Title
Numbered TitleShort Form TitleCommentsAs an extra note, there's a few other things that need to be sorted out before I can make these articles, but to try to save the number of proposals needed, I've got a thread on the forums that I would appreciate it if you could take a quick look at and share any thoughts you might have. Thank you! :) BBQ Turtle (talk) 16:38, December 5, 2019 (EST) |