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Yoshi in Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS[edit]

Is there sufficient proof that the green Yoshi in YI and YI:DS is The Yoshi? The wiki page supports the notion that the ending to YI:DS actually takes place before the original YI game, but that seems illogical to me, and I doubt it was the intention of the designers for one star child to be so much older than the rest (Especially since Kamek is clearly targeting babies and seems to expect all of the star children to be babies). I think it's more likely that the ending to YI:DS was meant to indicate that The Yoshi is a completely different character from the Yoshis that saved Mario, which explains why Yoshi does not recognize Mario when he is found in SMW. Buddy Christ (talk)

Yoshi in Yoshi Story[edit]

I wonder if it is possible that the six Yoshis in Yoshi's Story were trapped in eggs by Baby Bowser when he transformed the island, the same way he traps them in Super Mario World. This would explain why they are newborns at the beginning of the game, and yet already know what they need to do. - Buddy

Not likely, Buddy, if the Yoshi hatchlings from Yoshi's Story were "trapped," then how did they hatch? It's more logical they escaped Baby Bowser by fate (the eggs were located "at a remote edge of the island" [Yoshi's Story Instruction Booklet]). Yoshis are an advanced species and are smart. The Yoshi hatchlings probably figured things out for themselves, plus their instincts knew that things were a little "topsy-turvy" with the abduction of the Super Happy Tree. The little Yoshis headed on an adventure by following their instincts (or in this case "gut") by eating fruit that lead them to defeat Baby Bowser and reclaim the Supper Happy Tree. -DarkBlueYoshi

And plus, that my friend is opinionated. It does not deserve to be on the article because that sentence phails we do not want to give out false info Super-YoshiMust...eat...sig...Talk? C???

Yoshi in Mario Sunshine[edit]

Was it actually THE Yoshi in super Mario Sunshine? I thought they were different Yoshi's.

The Yoshi is referred to as "Yoshi" in the instruction manual and player's guide. In the game, Yoshi is green until he eats a fruit, then changes back to green when he either runs out of juice or hits the water. Also, all official artwork shows Mario riding the green Yoshi. -- Son of Suns

It could have just been a Green Yoshi species. Paper Jorge

As stated above, the sources refer to "Yoshi" not "Yoshis". -- Son of Suns

ALL Yoshis are just called "Yoshi" and besides, how can yoshi go from egg to no egg?

Who came from? The Yoshi or the egg?

Drmgin 16:15, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Not really, when they aren't the Yoshi, they usually say a Yoshi, instead of just Yoshi. Although I do agree that they probably are generic Yoshis. Edit: forgot to sign. Myles LuigipartyDS.png

Yoshi's Story Mouser45 finished the Yoshi's favorite fruits[edit]

I,Mouser 45 finished the Yoshi's favorite fruit types in Yoshi's Story. Hope I helped everyone!
-Mouser45

fat fruit-Nucleartoad24

THE Yoshi[edit]

It is not confrimed if the Yoshi in Super Mario World 1 and 2 is really THE Yoshi. It could just be the green specie. And in Partners in Time it's not confirmed if that's the Yoshi...or is it? Paper Jorge

The Yoshi from Super Mario World is the same Yoshi that is a selectable character in the kart, sports, and party series. In the Mario Party 2 instruction manual, it states that Yoshi is the same Yoshi that saved Mario and Luigi when they were babies. This means that the Yoshi from SMW 2 is the same Yoshi we know and love. Partners in Time is more sketchy. Official artwork depicts the Yoshi with Yoob, and Yoshi certainly acts as he does in other series. That is why I note that the PoT Yoshi is "apparently" the Yoshi, but could be a different one as in Yoshi's Story. -- Son of Suns

It is THE Yoshi, he thinks he remembers Baby Mario! User:Maxlover2

THE Yoshi is born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS. Some random green Yoshi can't be a Star Child. THE Yoshi is also the green one from Yoshi's Story, methinks. The Yoshis from Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS are the parents of the Yoshis in Yoshi's Story. Just theories. If the tide of this debate goes to Yoshi being the green Yoshi born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS, we should probably deleted the Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS section of the biography.

Mariofan132


There are some people who think that the Village Leader and Yoshi are the same yoshi.-Informant

It's never been confirmed, though, so we can't put it in the article. Stumpers! 22:51, 13 February 2008 (EST)


I agree with Mariofan, some random green yoshi couldn't be a Star Child. Wouldn't make sense for some random green yoshi to be just as powerful and successful as "the" yoshi, now would it? Mumbles 19:37, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

There was nothing saying that that Yoshi hatching at the end was shown in chronological order. I'd say that Yoshi is the same one that helped Baby Mario. Myles LuigipartyDS.png
Nice! That may be the solution. I was just about to remind everyone that an official source (MP2) trumps our speculation, but then you found a solution. Stumpers! 17:29, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Super Mario Sunshine[edit]

I have to question the Bravery on Isle Delfino section for accuracy. In the official (hmm...) art, Yoshi is green. Yet, in reality, Yoshi only turns green when he is just about out of juice. Otherwise, depending on the fruit he swallows last, he is orange, pink or purple. I think THE Yoshi does not appear in SMSS, but instead an Isle Delfino species. Comments? Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 21:05, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Now looking at the top of the page, I still am not convinced. We don't know what color the Yoshi is inside the egg at first, and honestly, SoS, sometimes you take the guides and manuals a bit too seriously. Also, keep in mind that these Yoshis can't go in deep water, signifying a different species. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y

The main Yoshi can swim in water (MP and YI series) while the ones on Isle Delfino dissapate when contacting water. A major factor to consider when classifiying it as a Yoshi. Yet there is info contradicting it. Shadow Mario does appear with ONE Yoshi Egg and why is it that when that one yoshi egg is rescued, all Yoshi eggs are accesable. Then again after the Turbo Nozzle is found, all Turbo Nozzles appear. Confusing indeed. Im leaning towards species though.Knife (talk)

Mabey they disapate because they can't swim and hold a plump plumber on there back, or they arn't real Yoshi's just Delfino clones WarioLoaf (talk)

And I don't think any Yoshi for that matter can spray Yoshi Juice. I'm more and more conviced that this a sub-species of Isle Delfino. And hold on. Egg color doesnt neccesarily mean that its a Green Yoshi. (Ex:Yoshi Kid)Knife (talk)

I'm using the most canonical sources available, mainly the Player's Guide and the Instruction Manual. They refer to Yoshi as Yoshi, and use images of a green Yoshi. Yoshi disappearing in water and reappearing in an egg is similar to Super Mario World. In SMW, Yoshi could fall off a cliff or lava, but if you return to where you can find an egg, Yoshi will reappear without a scratch on him. The same applies to Isle Delfino. Note that Yoshi does turn green after he hits the water, meaning the juice changed his color. Maybe the water affects Yoshi because of the juice in his body. Note also that no two Yoshis appear together, meaning we can't say that it isn't one Yoshi reforming in an egg just like in SMW. Plus, Yoshi has changed his color before when coming into contact with an item (SMW again). The fruit is changing his color and possibly his tolerance to water. If Nintendo wanted us to know that there were multiple Yoshis, they could have made a piece of art depiciting a rainbow of Yoshis as they have done in every Yoshi game. Also, in SMW 2: YI, Yoshi could not swim in water, he could float at the surface, showing that Yoshi has different reactions to water in different games. Other traits of Yoshi have also changed. For example, in SMW, Yoshi could destroy a Koopa Troopa outright with one stomp, while in SMW 2: YI, Yoshi could only knock the Koopa Troopa out of its shell. Does that mean they are a different sub-species of Yoshi, the strong stompers and the weak stompers? Of course not. The game mechanics of each game is different. Nintendo wanted to provide a challenge by making Yoshi dissolve in water. Several challenges force Mario to ride Yoshi across platforms surrounded by water to reach an island with yellow goop. There would be no challenge if Yoshi could just swim to the island. Yoshi's tolerance to water changes based on the play mechanics of the game. The juice meter also limits the amount of time Mario can ride the powerful Yoshi. Regardless, official sources say Yoshi, not Yoshis or a Yoshi, so I'm sticking to Yoshi. Guides and manuals are important to understanding Mario games as they provide background information usually not presented in the game itself (unless, of course, the game is an RPG). -- Son of Suns

I have a source that makes almost eveything you just said irrelevant. The Great Sunflower says that the Snooze-A-Koopas have scared all the Yoshi away. Replay Episode 4 in Pinna Park and you'll see.Knife (talk)

Get an exact quote so we can analyze it. In-game material is more canonical than manuals or guides. If the quote confirms more than one Yoshi, we can remove the SMS section of the article. This may make sense, as after the Snooze-A-Koopas are defeated, the Yoshis reappear on Isle Delfino. Please get an exact quote though, as I do not have the game in my possession currently. -- Son of Suns

The wilted Great Sunflower says: Because of these fake eggs, the Yoshis of this island have fled...

Also note that she spells plural Yoshi as Yoshis not Yoshies.Knife (talk)

Brrrr! Video game analyzation is a scary business. 3D

I can't remember the exact quote, but I have the game and after playing the game for a while, you will see the same Toad you normally see by the lighthouse. He will tell you that lot's of Yoshis used to live in Isle Delfino, but he wonders why they aren't there anymore.--PeteyPiranhaLover 18:32, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks for all the help. I'm glad we were able to check facts with canonical sources to make a more accurate article. When I play a Mario game, I try to keep a notebook nearby, just in case some random quote or piece of information will come in handy someday. The Sunflower quote was very helpful. I've removed all info about SMS in this article. We should also remember that the canonical spelling of multiple Yoshis is, in fact, Yoshis, not Yoshies. -- Son of Suns

Is there going to be an article about the Isle Delfino sub-species?Knife (talk)

No. A lot of creatures were changed in Super Mario Sunshine, like the Bob-ombs, but they are still the same creatures. A section about the Yoshis on Isle Delfino could be added to the Yoshi (species) page. -- Son of Suns

I win! I knew the Yoshi in Sunshine wasn't THE Yoshi... Paper Jorge

No actually I win. :-)Knife (talk)

How!? Paper Jorge

I found out about It You just asked I got proof Do the Mario

Or how about we both win? Knife (talk)

I think that the Yoshi on Isle Delfino is not THE Yoshi. If Yoshi were to go to Isle Delfino, he'd probably go with Mario and the gang. The reason he changes color out of nowhere? The fruit grown on Isle Delfino has a chemical reaction with Yoshis' skin. The reason he dissolves in water, dissolves when too hungry, and resides in an egg? The Yoshi on Isle Delfino is probably a very subspecies.

Mariofan132

Quote[edit]

What game is the quote from? -- Son of Suns

Probably Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, in that the characters that don't speak english have subtitles, the quote is probably one of the things Yoshi says. -- Sir Grodus

It's from the manual (of Toadstool Tour). Paper Jorge

Yoshi also says it in-game when you receive his letter when he challenges you (which happens in a mode I cannot remember). --YellowYoshi398

What Quote -- User: YoshiMonsta

Soccer Look[edit]

If somebody has Super Mario Strikers could they please put in a picture of Yoshi in it.

Did it. -- Sir Grodus

Bold[edit]

Is Yoshi's name supposed to be bolded in each pic, or just the first one? --Yoshi626Egg.PNG 18:43, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Nope, the only time you use Bold is to point out something important or highlight the first time the article's name is mentioned.Knife (talk)

Super Mario World[edit]

Are you sure that Yoshi was rideable? It could just be a regular Green Yoshi. I do know that the THE Yoshi does appear though.Knife (talk)

Yes. Yoshi pops out of an egg, states his name, and Mario hitches a ride. -- Son of Suns

Wat the? How can Yoshi be older than Mario? I thought this was the same Yoshi in SMW? And there are a bunch of Yoshi eggs, doesn't neccesarily mean its THE Yoshi's egg.Knife (talk)

Why can't Yoshi be older than Mario? The Yoshi in SMW is the same Yoshi as the one in SMW 2: YI. There are a bunch of Yoshi eggs, but if you hit them while Mario is riding Yoshi, a 1-UP Mushroom appears, not another Yoshi. -- Son of Suns

No, I meant it the other way around :-> But how are there a bunch of Yoshi eggs around?Knife (talk)

Yoshi eggs hold items. A few special Yoshi Eggs hold the Blue Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, and Red Yoshi. Also, seven Yoshi babies are trapped in seven eggs held by the Koopalings. Yoshi can emerge from any egg in the field that would otherwise turn into a 1-Up. It's simple play mechanics. It's like when Mario falls in lava, but then reemerges at the start of the level. When a Yoshi egg appears, and Mario is not riding Yoshi, Yoshi appears. The instruction manual states that Bowser and his cohorts trapped Yoshi in an egg, so presumably whenever Yoshi runs away he is resealed in an egg by the Koopas. -- Son of Suns

Yoshi's Story[edit]

The yoshi in YS was'nt THE YOSHI. So why is his information in this article? - User: Ultimatetoad

It says in the article that he isn't. However, like Donkey Kong, there are mulitple Green Yoshis simply called Yoshi that serve as courageous defenders of Yoshi's Island. The info is best suited here, just like all DK info (even if it's a "different" DK) should be in the DK article. -- Son of Suns
I know this is an old comment, but... shouldn't we be sure to mention that the article is about the TITLE, and not a character? Just poking around the Wiki it seems that the general impression is that the DK article and the Yoshi article are about a single character. Stumpers! 21:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Somethings missing.[edit]

While its a great article, one thing seems to be missing - The events that took place in Yoshi's Island DS. --Bentendo 13:51, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Well, that's because THE yoshi was born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS, so none of the game's events were about THE yoshi. MarioFan9999 18:29, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Super Yoshi[edit]

Is this in the game? I don't remember it at all. Plumber, Hey, don't blame me, my brain is on strike.

It is when yoshi turns into a giant yoshi, by grabbing a RED mushroom. Isyou 20:28, 9 March 2007 (EST)

all the red mushroom are in Wario Blocks. Max2 (talk)

No. But acctually, there all in blocks, and yoshi cant destroy blocks... Isyou 20:30, 9 March 2007 (EST)

They are also in yellow blocks, I think. I've done it. 3dhammer.gif 3D, SUPER YOSHI BROS.! 3dhammer.gif

In Tall Tall Mountain it is possible by having Yoshi ground pound the big stake all the way down. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 20:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)

There is another complex method. Use a cap to transform and break a block containing a Mushroom. After breaking it lose, immediately throw off the cap by taking damage and as Yoshi, collect the roaming mushroom.

Besides all that, I think this article should be deleted. We don't have an article on Metal Waluigi, Metal Peach, etc., do we? The name is also conjecture. All functions of Mushrooms should be listed under the article and the article of the character they effect. Heck, we don't even have an article on Mario and the redirect is in the right place.Knife (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Yes. Isyou 20:37, 9 March 2007 (EST)

And also, I do think that the talk pages of articles should be deleted. You people always forget to delete those! Isyou 20:40, 9 March 2007 (EST)

?[edit]

Okay, what makes Yoshi an enemy? Someone putted on a category entry in the article... RAP.pngRAP...

In Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Boshi is a purple, punkish Yoshi on Yo'ster Island that serves as a NPC rival. Technically, this makes him an enemy. In the same game, an actual enemy encountered in battle by the name of Bahamutt strongly resembles a more dragon-like Yoshi, which could be a subspecies or cousin. Both therefore qualify Yoshis as enemies, though I'm sure there's better candidates out there I've overlooked. Redstar 03:12, 26 November 2009 (EST)

FA dispute[edit]

I would like to make some notes on why this shouldn't be an FA...

Lead image is both large and blurry.
"Greatest hero" is subjective and opinionated, as is "invaluable".
Too many commas in the second sentence - could be changed to "and has saved his homeland several times."
On that note, I recall that it was many Yoshis, not just this one, who saved Yoshi's Island in all Yoshi games.
"Destructive conquerer" is a silly term and should be removed.
"Yoshi even" - it makes it seem like the article is praising him, not detailing his exploits.
"Thus changing the course of history" - this implies that Yoshi altered the course of history, when him saving Baby Mario and Baby Luigi was always a part of the series' history.
The headers - I don't care if it's creative, they have to be more neutral, and less of them.
On that note, don't capitalize something if it's not a proper noun and if it's not at the beginning of a sentence.
In the very first paragraph, I get the feeling that the article is an ad and is trying to sell me on Yoshi.

That's all for now, but I've only examined the first two paragraphs. - A Link to the Past 15:28, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Please make the appropriate changes. -- Son of Suns
You talkin' to me? - A Link to the Past 16:25, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
Sure. Why not make the article better? -- Son of Suns
I'm far too busy. I'm assessing all of the other featured articles at the moment. - A Link to the Past 16:37, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
I'll take a crack at it!Dinosaur bob 20:25, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
I've finished a few of A Link To The Past's recommended changes. The only things left are reducing the amount of headers and making the first paragraph more neutral. Those two have me stumped, so I think I'll defer to someone more experienced to finish what I couldn't. Dinosaur bob 20:42, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you mean about the intro, LTTP.... everything in that paragraph is true. He IS a hero, he DID save Baby Mario and Baby Luigi from Kamek, etc..... same with the headers. Could you be a wee bit more specific? - Ultimatetoad


Yoshi Artcile[edit]

I've been wondering...Perhaps maybe Yoshi Story comes first... It explains Yoshi's life as a Baby before SMW2. Angry Sun 10:38, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

But I'm not sure if the Green Yoshi in that game is THE Yoshi discussed here. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 12:16, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

No, Baby Bowser mention Yoshi being Mario "pet" before you battle him. Gofer

Well now that may have been just a taunt. Angry Sun 13:13, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

It may be one, but it still prove that YS take place after SMW2, since SWM2 was the first meeting between Mario and Yoshi. Gofer

There's also the possibility that Kamek shows Baby Bowser the future. Angry Sun 11:13, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Then why would Baby Bowser have no idea what Yoshi is when they meet in YI? I find it hard to believe he'd go from calling Yoshi "Mario's pet" to "some kind of green donkey"- in the former, he obviously knows what a Yoshi is, whereas in the latter, he clearly has no clue. Dinosaur bob 08:25, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Also, Baby Bowser speak a much better english in YS that SMW2. Gofer

Precisely. It makes it a headache for Yoshi himself to not be in Yoshi's Story, but the evidence says what the evidence says. Dinosaur bob 18:50, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

To Geno...[edit]

Aw, come on... This point actually seems important. I consider the cartoon canon, so there has to be an explination...

--Ciao! 11:50, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Again, a moot point. Everyone is different from games to cartoons. Well, I guess they could be clones, or alien imposters...again, it's all too speculative. ♥♪!? 11:55, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Fine, fine, it just seems like your picking on me alot lately...

--Ciao! 11:59, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Why would I pick on you? I am just trying to improve the quality of the wiki. I have nothing against you. I respect your efforts, but I ultimately believe somethings are not relevant to the articles. Keep up the good work! ♥♪!? 12:07, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, I know, I just noticed that it's been you who's been deleting all my stuff, lol. Sorry, I know your just helping.

--Ciao! 12:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

PAIR Reviews[edit]

To both reviewers: Please keep in mind that the ratings are done in .5 steps, as stated on MarioWiki:PAIR. You should fix your ratings and round them up or down. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:29, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

I missed that. I rounded up Plumber's scores if he doesn't mind.Knife (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2007 (EDT)


Mario Party Pic[edit]

One of the pics says it was from yoshi's story when it was from mario party!Storm Yoshi sig.pngStorm YoshiStorm Yoshi sig.png Can you show me this issue please? RAP.pngRAP... Wiki's getting bumpy...

This one
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I'ved got Yoshi's Story and Mario Party and this picture is on a special start screen for MP.Storm Yoshi sig.pngStorm YoshiStorm Yoshi sig.png
That's definatetly Mario Party. Stumpers! 20:28, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Yoshi Art Fart[edit]

http://www.yoshiart.com/ Direct your attention here, please. Look at all of the official yoshi art and etc. that this person has collected! I suggest if you want to improve this page you guys get to work. :P Don't forget to follow their policies though. Fixitup

Yoshi's back..[edit]

Ok, does anyone know what Yoshi TRUELY has on his back. Is it a shell or a saddle. I know that in the first appearance of yoshi, the "thing(saddle or shell)" was shown with stirrups attached to it. But now in later games, the "thing" is actualy shown increible round, and no saddle is round. That defeats he purpose. HELP!! Mariomadness8

I don't think it's ever been confirmed if it's a saddle or shell. Seeing as it can't be taken off (or so it seems), I would say more like a shell. A shell that stays on a Yoshi for the rest of their lives. BUT we really don't know. linkswordmi2.gifPaper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·linkswordmi2.gif
A shell would be something hard for Mario to sit on though. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 20:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I remember it officially being called a saddle, never a shell. Shouldn't tell you which game, though. Stumpers! 20:31, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Stumpers it sounds like you don't want to tell us. linkswordmi2.gifPaper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·linkswordmi2.gif
The official German Club Nintendo mag (issue 4/1992) also calls it a saddle:
He's wearing jump boots and he has a saddle on his back. He's green and very hungry. He's a dinosaur and Mario's best friend. He's good, because he's YOSHI!!!
(translated from German.) Time Questions 09:38, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. Artwork?[edit]

How come there's artwork in the image gallery labeled as "Super Mario Bros." artwork? That's nonsense. Yoshi was'nt invented until Super Mario World. PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

Thanks Time Q, but where did you originally get the artwork? If you tell me, I might be able to help you figure out what game it's really from. PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

Super Mario Bros. Deluxe. Stumpers! 21:00, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Was he in that game? PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

Yes, although I have forgotten exactly how. It was a precursor to the egg hunt in Super Mario Advance, if I remember. There are many references to Yoshi in the extra features, I can tell you that, but I remember that the second picture on the old page was from the instruction manual... what exactly did it say? Stumpers! 19:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

In the gallery, it just said "Super Mario Bros." It could be put back in the gallery under Super Mario Bros. Deluxe... actually could have been put back in the gallery, but the picture is gone. Must have been deleted for being unused. It could be uploaded again. PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 17:13, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Yoshi Sentai[edit]

Uhh, whats that? Never heard of it... Super-YoshiMust...eat...sig...Talk? C???

What the heck? That's vandalism! PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png
It wasent me, it was that PowerYoshiSentai person. Super-YoshiMust...eat...sig...Talk? C???
Not vandalism -- just fanon. But, if the same user keeps it up, it will become vandalism. We'll see if an undon edit (courtesy of GreenKoopa) will be enough. Let me know if this continues, okay? Stumpers! 21:28, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I know it wasn't you, Super-Yoshi. Uh, I thought randomly adding your own fanon to a wiki page is vandalism. Someone needs to tell him the rules around here. Well, looks like GreenKoopa already did. PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 11:35, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I suppose you're right, but I still don't like to slam down on new users as if they knew the rules, so I was assuming he didn't. Stumpers! 12:32, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Okay. PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png
I DO like to slam down on newbs when they step outta line It looks like that PowerYoshiSentai dude left. All is at peace.GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?

Not the Yoshi[edit]

In SSBB, the Yoshi that appears in the game seems to be the Yoshi as a race, and not as the actual main Yoshi. This is supported by it's trophy descriptions as well as the fact he attacks Mario as if he had never met him before. There is really no evidence to support that it is Yoshi other than playability. Not to mention it's colors are changeable to that of the Yoshis playable in Yoshi story. Am I missing something here? - ForeverDaisy09

Yes, you're missing the fact that the characters in Super Smash Bros. are not the actual characters, but rather, Trophy replicas based on the original characters. The replicas sole meaning of existance is to fight. And, that was a bad assumption, anyway. From your point of view, Mario is a species (lol, BJAODN), because he fights Peach and Luigi as if he has never met them before, and because of all his color changes. It's the character (er... Trophy replica), not the species. ;) My Bloody Valentine

Wow, I actually never fully understood that concept until now. Thanks a bunch DP!- ForeverDaisy09

no category?[edit]

why does it appears as a no category page in the wikimaintenance? --tucayosz9.png 18:08, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

I honestly have no idea... Stumpers! 09:14, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Ahh this is my favorite page Yoshi_4.gif Yoshi64 Please Watch my You Tube Channel [1] Yoshi_4.gif

Trivia[edit]

I have noticed that the trivia section for this article is overly long. One of the requirements for being a FA is that there should be no improvement tags. So, I was thinking about moving the part about Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy to the cameos section to shorten the trivia section a little bit. Does anyone else think that is a good idea? WK

You go ahead and do that. You're right, the article shouldn't be featured with a template like that. Maybe you could try un-featuring it. But I think the process is not yet fully organized, so you could just merge the trivia into the article, I guess. Marcelagus (TCE)
The whole un-featured article concept is just there so that people will be motivated to make the changes that White Knight suggested, not to actually un-feature an article. Just like with a featured article, an opposer (wants to unfeature) would be better to fix the problem (s)he sees, like White Knight wanted to, rather than oppose on the FA page and leave. Stumpers! 17:17, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey I just noticed a glitch in the triva section.Ya see,theres a decimal and nothing after it and when I press edit the info is there but the decimal is not.Do you think Steve can fix it.--User:UltraMario3000 I've noticed that in one of the skate parks in Skate 3, there is a yoshi-like head on one of the walls. Does this count as trivia, or as a cameo appearance?--User:Zeddac

Yoshi's Story Artowk[edit]

I believe the artwork that was previously in that section was from Mario Party 1. I've moved it to the gallery but we now need a new picture. Assuming that I'm right about the artwork, may I recommend this new one to replace it? [2] To back up my claim about the artwork I moved to the gallery, you'll notice it had marks around it indicating that it previously had a background around it - specifically as though it came from the beach volleyball artwork from that game where Yoshi was in that exact pose. Stumpers! 10:26, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Playable Yoshis[edit]

I've noticed something about the Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island level articles. No matter what level they're about, the article refers to the playable Yoshi as "Yoshi". But the playable Yoshis in the game aren't all the character Yoshi. The green one in the first levels of each world is the character, but besides that, the playable Yoshi is pink, azure, yellow, purple, brown, red, and blue (in that order, too). I guess it's fine to just call these playable Yoshis "Yoshi", since it's the name of their species, but there shouldn't be a link to this article if you don't play as the green Yoshi. Uh... right? PM2 Ruby Star.PNG CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

They should. If they don't currently, change the articles. =) -- Son of Suns (talk)

Super Mario 64 DS[edit]

"To do this, Bowser intended to convert the denizens of the worlds accessed via the paintings in Peach's Castle into monsters. With these newfound forces, Bowser was then going to attack the castle, and, potentially, the entire Mushroom Kingdom."

... Is this theory confirmed in the actual game? I recall none of Bowser creating an army of monsters to attack the Mushroom Kingdom.

Edofenrir 14:40, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Good question. I don't know if it's actually confirmed in the DS game, but in the original N64 game's paper manual it is confirmed. The manual actually tells you way more about the story than the game itself bothers to. T. Yoshisaur

Quote[edit]

Isn't there a quote for Yoshi?DBPM.pngCount Bonsula I need blood...Ml2 drybones.png

Specific[edit]

Wait, how is it known the Green Yoshi that appears in games is the same as he Yoshi that appears as a playable character? ForeverDaisy09 20:22, 17 February 2010 (EST)

Well according to the article,Yoshi is sometimes called green Yoshi.I don't know,maybe he's the only green Yoshi in the Marioverse.But if you find two green Yoshis in the same game then you're right.DBPM.pngCount Bonsula I need blood...Ml2 drybones.png

In Mario & Luigi Superstar saga there are 3 green yoshis. BowserNSMBWii.pngMikiuzIggy.jpg

Template[edit]

Didn't anyone notice the rewrite template here? Can someone fix that section right now, I'm not sure what to write there. I mean, we can't have those templates in a FA! Fawfulfury65

To tell the truth, a lot of sections need expanding, like the comic and TV show sections, the Mario Party section, the Super Smash Bros. series, the Mario Golf series, and so on and so forth. Also, tons of more images could be added to this article. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Saddle vs. Koopa Troopa Shell?[edit]

It looks more like a Koopa Troopa shell to me. Do we have proof? レシイラムtalk

In 2008, my brother always thought that Yoshi wears a Koopa shell. KS3 (talk · contribute) 20:05, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
I dont think it is a Koopa Shell because it doesn't have the line patterns on it and it doesnt have a bottom.Y0SHI3gg 21:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
It says it is a shell in the DS version of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games. You can open a crate or something in the adventure mode that gives you a fact thing about it. Fawfulfury65
Well, why would a Yoshi be wearing a shell called a Koopa Troopa shell. It has no lines and is in a more curved shape than a Koopa Shell. Koopa Shells are slightly larger too. So, I say it's a saddle. FakeIco MCD.png MrConcreteDonkey
Well it could be a shell but not a Koopa Shell.Y0SHI3gg 21:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Silver Eevee clearly said Koopa Troopa Shell above. And anyway, it looks like no shell I've ever seen before, and strongly resembles a real world saddle. FakeIco MCD.png MrConcreteDonkey
Yes but it's called a shell in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, so it must be a shell. Fawfulfury65
I've never seen a convex saddle, nor one that was completely unsecured to the animal. It was also stated in an issue of Nintendo Power (circa 1999) to be a shell, hinting at some similarity in biology between Yoshis and Koopas. It's not a Koopa Troopa shell; it's a Yoshi shell. Koopa shells are removable and act as a sort of clothing for the Koopa (sources: Super Mario World, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door). Yoshi shells are not removable, as Yoshis are even born with them (sources: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Island DS); if they were saddles, they'd have to be equipped. Twentydragon (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Yoshi (Character)[edit]

I think we should name this article Yoshi(Character). And we should take (Species) off Yoshi (species) Panther2598


...[edit]

Um.There is a glitch in the trivia section.Ya see,theres a decimal and nothing after it and when I press edit the info is there but the decimal is not.Can soneone fix it?
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Printing Trouble[edit]

This actually applies to all articles, but whenever I want to print one, the advertisement(s) on the side tend(s) to block some potentially important information. Is there any way to fix this?
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New Picture[edit]

I think we should change the picture! Let's have a poll!


Pic 1:YoshiMP8art.png

Pic 2:Yoshi MSW.png

Pic 3: 100px

Pic 1[edit]

  1. General bob-omb (talk) Its a good representation of him in a generic form, considering the fact that he is found in more games w/o ice skates than with, plus pic 3 looks too dull
  2. MortonBoo99 (talk) Couldn't decide between 1 or 2, but I think 1 is the best to show because it is the way new people to Mario series would think Yoshi would look in most games. It is! In my opinion, that appearance is in more than 50% of all Mario games.

Pic 2[edit]

  1. DKPetey99 (talk) Latest picture out of all of them and I think this is the latest profile art.

Pic 3[edit]

  1. I think that the other Yoshi images

are a little to light in color YoshiMonsta (talk)

Comments[edit]

The photo we have now is not the latest. PeteySluggers.pngDKPetey99TE 16:48, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Are there multiple of each Yoshi?[edit]

I believe that there are many of each Yoshi. But then again what if there isn't? YoshiMonsta (talk)

Christmas Image of Yoshi and Shy Guy[edit]

We were looking for pictures of Yoshi, and we found this photo:
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We do not know which game is, and also do not know if it is possible to put it in the gallery. Twins Deia & Lica 11:46, 20 December 2011 (EST)

I believe that image was fan-made, not official. It should either be marked as a personal image or deleted. Bop1996 (Talk)

I've seen it a couple of times, but it has the actual Nintendo logo on it with a copyright date attached. The full image can be seen here. Hopefully that helps. T. Yoshisaur

Fortune Street[edit]

Mind if I change the infobox picture to this picture?

Yoshi FS.png

Our current one is outdated (it's from Mario Party 8). -- YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)

Does anyone know any other infromation about Yoshi in Fortune Street? B ron 3000 (talk) 23:41, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Brawl[edit]

Hey, in the Snakes Codec conversation, Snake said "Can we catch ONE"... Here: Snake: Now you've got me curious. ...How about I capture one so we can see what they taste like? And he has colorations.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bjdill (talk).

That doesn't prove that the Yoshi in Brawl is the species; if you were examining a species you'd never seen before, and said "let's [action] one", you wouldn't have to be referring to the individual. Bop1996 (Talk)

Yoshi's typo never changed in Virtual console[edit]

After I finished SM64 I went to Yoshi, he still said, "It that really you??" It was never changed, watch this video to see it. [3] Fuzzy-NSMBU.pngYoshiGo99Yoshi Egg Tilted Artwork.png 08:11, 28 January 2012 (EST)

Yoshi's arms in SMW[edit]

Im pretty sure his "arms" are just his saddle in-game.

Yoshi in SMBDX[edit]

I created the Super Mario Bros. Deluxe section, but now I have a doubt: is it Yoshi (the character), or a Yoshi ? Should we move the content of the section to Yoshi (species) ?
Banon (talk · edits) 13:02, 9 March 2013 (EST)

Probably is could be any Yoshi so put Yoshi (species) Lucoshi (talk) 21:15, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
Seeing as he appears more than one time, it couldn't possibly be THE Yoshi. I would put it in Yoshi (species). Megamario15 - The REAL Mario (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2015 (EST)
Actually, his appareances in SMBDX are nearly identical to his appearances in SMW. You find an egg, and it hatches. Most people consider the green Yoshi in SMW to be the Yoshi, so...
Banon (talk · edits) 19:06, 27 December 2015 (EST)

Yoshi[edit]

I always thought that the character was pronounced with the "o" as in own but the species is o as in on. Am I right?RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 10:32, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

There is no evidence of this (at least in my knowledge).
Banon (talk · edits) 07:11, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
In audible SM64DS dialogue, it is pronounced with a stressed "O" by Princess Peach.
'Shroom Spotlight Shokora (talk · edits) 07:15, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

Also, the noise they make is Yoshi with 'an unstressed O. So maybe the species is pronounced differently. RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 05:51, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

Paper Mario series[edit]

Why isn't that a part of this page? —A fan of the games and (of course) this site

Yoshi has never appeared in the Paper Mario series. MolotovMan (talk) 12:20, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
Um, yes he has. He appeared in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. YoshiAwsumness (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2013 (EST)
There is an entire town of Yoshis in the original Paper Mario.

False information in the "Trivia" section[edit]

I have an objection to point out regarding the latest information added to Yoshi's "Trivia" section. It says...

  • In Super Mario World, when Mario signals Yoshi to stick his tongue out, he hits him as if cracking a whip (...)

This information is highly false, and I (like anyone) can prove it. I've got a specific screenshot from Super Mario World in which Mario signals Yoshi to stick its tongue out while the player presses the ↑ (Up) button (so Yoshi will stick its tongue higher than the usual): SMW_MarioPunch.PNG That screenshot can be seen by anyone who pays some extra attention to the game's frame rate. Slowing down the game's emulation speed may be the key to unmask such a terrible myth.

I propose that information, being proven wrong, to be removed from the "Trivia" section. ‎Jardim (talk)

You can just remove it. Yoshi876 (talk)
Of course; I'm just giving reasons to do so. Jardim (talk)

Yoshis New Island[edit]

Why is there nothing in this article about Yoshi's New Island?--Poponana2 (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

Because of lazy editors. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 00:13, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

Bias[edit]

What is Bias? Kirby kart

Wait, Yoshi The Character appears in Yoshi's New Island?[edit]

I thought Yoshi's New Island took place on Egg Island, a different location from Yoshi's Island, and would thus feature a different bunch of Yoshis. What would make the green Yoshi appearing in that game The Yoshi? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 17:23, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

Real Name?[edit]

My parents showed my that Yoshi's real name is T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas. Is it real? User:Kirby kart

  • According to a 1993 Nintendo character guide, yes. It's come up recently, possibly due to the rarity of the guide. Zakor1138 (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
I don't know, it sounds too lame to be up-to-date official information. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 16:37, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
Until Nintendo deconfirms it, it should stay... Assuming we know what guide it comes from. Zakor1138 (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
Actually, on this note, can we move that from "Real name" to "Species"? Because that's clearly a scientific species name, and not meant to be Yoshi's full name. ~ Joshi (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2014 (EST)
Are we serious with this? It's not canon, the character guide is full of tongue-in-cheek jokiness that just doesn't match up with anything else and is a remnant of NoA's old marketing back when the cartoons and adventure books were still a thing. Check out the other character pages and you'll see what I mean. Just because Kotaku ran with it as a story doesn't mean it's official. It wasn't even meant for external consumption, it's just some marketing guy within Nintendo having a bit of fun with the descriptions. Unless it appears in the games, surely it's not canon. Fizzle (talk) 09:38, 10 July 2015 (EDT)
MarioWiki:Canonicity outlines the wiki's stance in regards to canon (basically: what canon?) and why trying to decide how every "canon" should be organized and which "canon" deserves to have more emphasis over others isn't something we're interested in. This is the second time I've left this message. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I still don't understand the application of this particular rule and despite you mentioning this when I bring it up, I'm afraid it makes little sense to me, sorry. As someone who works on other NIWA wikis, none of the other wikis have a problem distinguishing between different media. The Zelda cartoon =/= the Zelda games, for instance. I think you misunderstand me whenever I say "canon", all I mean is that "game canon" is separate, in my opinion, from the Super Mario Bros. movie, for example, meaning that it's not "canon" to the games to suggest that Goombas are de-evolved Toads, while it IS "canon" to suggest that they're traitors to the Mushroom Kingdom (which the manual to the original game states). To argue that both statements are of equal prominence makes little sense to me. I don't really think this a particularly disagreeable position to take, and I'm not trying to argue that the games are massively consistent (although they do largely follow some basic rules, Mario doesn't suddenly lose his Italian accent for example) or that it's worth anyone's time to make a "timeline" like this wiki used to attempt to do. I'm not saying that the cartoons and movies should not be covered by this wiki, but giving spin-off media as much prominence as the games to the point where contradictory statements are given equal merit is going too far, in my honest opinion, and is actually a relic of when this wiki attempted to merge everything into one hideous, monster timeline. Fizzle (talk) 09:41, 12 July 2015 (EDT)
I think it's fine as a trivia footnote. The character guide is otherwise referring to Yoshi as the character rather than the species, and if we counted it for anything more, it would be considered a development name since it hasn't really officially seen the light of day. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2015 (EDT)
This is pretty much my stance on stuff like this. I have absolutely no problem with it being mentioned somewhere in the article, but it needs to be treated as a minor "take it or leave it" detail rather than a defining character trait. Fizzle (talk) 09:41, 12 July 2015 (EDT)


Well to be a pedant, the guide was made for NOA's media partners to describe how the characters are supposed to be portrayed, and some of the other stuff in it is reflected in western medias from the period (for ex: Wario being a childhood friend of Mario is used in a NP comic, and Toad's "Toadie" nickname is occassionally used in the Valiant comics).

But yeah, it's fine as a footnote. The name has been never used in an actual media, only in a behind-the-scenes documents, and it's very obvious no future mario media is going to use it. You can pull the "warble warble there is no canon" card if you want, but putting it as the character's official name is equivalent to saying Donkey Kong being a Japanese genetic experiment is an equally valid origin fo the character. --Glowsquid (talk) 15:00, 10 July 2015 (EDT)

Actually, the Wario comic was also released in Japan I believe (I'm pretty sure the Zelda one was too), much like the Zelda and Metroid comics at the same time, or, at the very least they were drawn by a Japanese artist with some involvement from NoJ, meaning that while these aren't considered "canon" (meaning they contradict the games), elements of them have become canon, such as Samus's backstory and Wario being a childhood friend of Mario. I don't think the Wario example is a predominantly NoA invention, it's even mentioned in his trophy in Smash, and I'm fairly sure it was mentioned in other media as well so that's definitely something that is part of his "origin" story, such as it is.
So yeah, I'm not saying everything in that guide is just pulled out of nowhere, but a lot of it seems to have been... ahem, "embellished", for lack of a better word. At the very least, it's pretty outdated, so needs to be treated with some caution. Fizzle (talk) 09:41, 12 July 2015 (EDT)

Hey.[edit]

Can we be more descriptive on what needs fixing?--MastarMudkipz (talk) 18:47, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

Mistaken Koopa for yoshi.[edit]

Somewhere in the yoshi article and the Koopa article' should I put somewhere that koopa's are often mistaken for yoshi's? Joseph (talk) (contribs) Joseph's mii.jpg

Is it done by characters in the games. Because if it's us folks then no. Yoshi876 (talk)

SM64 speech?[edit]

Can we include yoshi's full message in sm64? I was looking for it and came here because I thought it would be here but its not. -MM102

Yoshi sprite in Mario is missing[edit]

I think the Yoshi sprite in the SNES or PC version of that game could be added in the Mario is Missing part of this article.
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Hidden Yoshi egg in SMB?[edit]

I heard there is a hidden Yoshi egg in SMB in W-1 1.

  • Does it appear on challenge mode or on normal mode?
  • Is it a glitch or is it made of purpose?

Ok thats all i wanted to ask Yoshi-1.gif J😃hn MinecraftSteve.jpg 12:35, 12 July 2015 (EDT)

Yoshi didn't even exist in Super Mario Bros. I believe you're talking about Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, though, which do have hidden Yoshi eggs. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 21:51, 12 July 2015 (EDT)

Yoshi's Woolly World[edit]

I'm missing a section about Yoshi's Woolly World! --New Super Mario Maker (talk) 09:35, 24 July 2015 (EDT)

It's a recently-released game (around a month ago). Since the wiki is U.S.-centric, most potential contributors will not see the game until October 16, 2015. That doesn't stop them from watching relevant gameplay videos, but it does slow down the speed of inputting information. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 14:31, 24 July 2015 (EDT)

Dividing Species from Character[edit]

This article is supposed to be about the individual green Yoshi who adventures alongside Mario. However, there are plenty of sections that describe the multicolored species of Yoshis and not the character. It's fair that there may be overlap, and it's similarly fair to let some undefined examples to slip by, but there are some examples (Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Sunshine, most of the sidescrollers) where it's too vague for my liking. Having super-strict requirements is a bit silly in my opinion, but we should have something to distinguish the character when common sense isn't enough. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

I agree with this. It should be organized like how the Toad article addresses the point of many different Toads and a singular Toad character. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:31, 27 December 2015 (EST)
While I agree with the sentiment, I don't feel the SMBDX case is vague. It's pretty much exactly like SMW. Also, that game was released before other Green Yoshi explicitly appeared.
Banon (talk · edits) 06:37, 28 December 2015 (EST)
While we're at it, we might wanna do something about the Green Yoshi page.
Banon (talk · edits) 06:54, 28 December 2015 (EST)

Help for Yoshi[edit]

So, how can we improve this article? It is tagged for violating the policy with poor writing, and also needs an expansion. Some of this article is more well-written, but some areas do need work. We need additional information and we have to keep updating the page! ThePeachinator (talk) 02:48, 28 April 2016 (EDT)

Get rid of all instances of "the green dinosaur" for starters. Make the writing sound less biased towards Yoshi, more neutral. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 13:11, 28 April 2016 (EDT)

Minor edit needed in "Mario & Sonic" header[edit]

The syntax fails because there is one extra bracket in the wikilink for "Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games" at the end of this section. As I cannot edit the article (I am not autoconfirmed) I request the necessary edit be made by someone who has such rights. PopKorn Kat (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

I don't think this page has edit restrictions on it, anyway, I corrected all the links, including the ones to the London 2012 Olympic Games and the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:31, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

Color Splash sprite...or not![edit]

The sprite we have for Yoshi in Paper Mario: Color Splash...I'm not sure it's real. It doesn't have the white outline that most Color Splash characters have. I could be wrong, but I wanted to make sure.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk) 12:01, 24 September 2016 (EDT)

It is real, I personally extracted from a frame of this video using full screen and 0.25× speed, and of course it's not a sprite, it's a screenshot that looks like a sprite because someone did some heavy image editing (you can see the original version on the page of the image).--Mister Wu (talk) 13:02, 24 September 2016 (EDT)

Personality[edit]

i have noticed in games like MK8 mario tennis ultra smash and mario run that yoshi's voice is sounding very girly and effeminate and in games like mario party 10 he acts like a ballerina and in other games. in mario strikers charged he has the personality of a dog and chases his tail and acts like one could someone back me up here what did nintendo do to yoshi's voice why is it turning into a little girls voice? Mariobirdofan02

well what do any of you think about yoshi's girly voice leave a comment down and we can discuss it Mariobirdofan02

Well, as Palutena put it, "all living beings contain both female and male elements. It appears Yoshi is no different." I don't know, that's as good an explanation as any, I guess. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:42, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
Besides this is kind of foruma talk. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2017 (EDT)

Design[edit]

When was Yoshi's design changed to give him hands instead of paws? Stinkoman20x6 (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

From what I've seen, the first game where a redesing of his paws appeared is Super Mario Kart, released in 1992, where he starts having four fingers on the hands instead of the usual three, although it is with Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, released in 1995, that a more complete redesign of his hands is apparent.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

Yoshi edits (continued)[edit]

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OK, guys, this is a discussion started on 7feetunder's talk page, and it concerns this: is Yoshi an actual character in New Super Mario Bros Wii? Share your thoughts below.
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LinkTheLefty brought this up on my talk page: Toad's article has a "possible appearances" section, which exists to deal with the similar issue of determining whether or not appearances of generic red-spotted Toads are the Toad. I think the addition of such a section to this article would be helpful, since there's no real evidence to confirm nor debunk Yoshi appearing in NSMBWii/NSMBU. PMTTYD Dark Bones.pngSig.png 01:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
All I have to say is....if it's the same Yoshi, why does it hatch multiple times? Bowser trapped him in the egg once. I'm not buying it. Also, I think I've gotten two green Yoshis in single player of NSMBW through some glitch. It seems to be more of a case a la "The Big Boo": different individuals, or even a species, are referred to in a singular sense, such as how the Super Mario Sunshine manual says "Yoshi's back, so saddle up!"Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:34, 2 August 2017 (CT)
I never liked the "possible appearances" section on Toad's page. All of it is too speculative, relying too much on maybes without offering anything definitive in return. If we don't know if if a given Toad is the Toad, I'd rather that we cover it on the Toad (species) article and refrain from potentially misleading readers or any unnecessary speculation. This also applies to this article, with any uncertain appearances being listed on Green Yoshi. If the information is still accessible, but in a different place that doesn't require us to say "possibly" in every sentence, then I don't see the problem. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 01:42, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
There was a proposal for possible appearances here. The idea evolved from an earlier discussion I brought forth, which is also linked in that proposal for reference. It's an improvement over Toad's old confusion with appearances section, but it could probably be much better condensed for something marked with uncertainty. An outright removal may be unwise for the reasons mentioned back then, so definitely check it out if you need to see where it's coming from. Either way - looking back, the proposal should have actually covered all similar character/species articles, but it seems that just didn't happen for some reason I can only guess. If we're going to start somewhere, I suppose now would be a good time to start with Yoshi. Better late than never. LinkTheLefty (talk) 03:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
I understand that, but at the same time, I still think that some of the sections are unnecessary. A few of them could be outright moved to the official history section, like Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (they even have citations!), but then there's stuff like the Super Mario Bros. section, which states that "it is often assumed" without offering any logical or reasonable explanation, or the inclusion of Captain Toad, when it's already been confirmed that Captain Toad and regular Toad are separate characters. It could do with some clean-up, at the very least. In any case, if we're pushing forward with adding the section to other articles, how many would actually be affected? Besides Toad, there's obviously Yoshi, and maybe Birdo, but I can't think of any other examples. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 11:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (and to a lesser extent, Super Mario Bros. 3) have citations, so at face value they seemingly don't belong in the section, but at the same time, they're openly conflicting – they just don't agree with each other on which Toad is considered the Toad (if such a concept is even still relevant in the "current story", but I digress). They're there because the internal inconsistencies among sources make those appearances inconclusive, and thus more likely as the result of writer's whim or localization oversight than any deliberate reason. The wordy rationale can definitely be trimmed, though, as well as mentions of Captain Toad since that's already been decided and is somewhat padding. I think Super Mario Bros. is included because certain official profiles count it as Toad's first appearance (albeit not defining the distinction between the character and species). As for other articles, Kamek technically qualifies, and I can think of one more. There are several others such as Mouser, Fryguy, Luma, Polterpup and all the Mario Party Advance characters, but those articles are also a lot shorter and have a clearer grasp of the subject. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:15, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

OK, glitches don't really help, because they mess up the game, so we're not counting glitches. So officially then, only one green Yoshi IS shown on-screen in New Super Mario Bros Wii and Super Mario World. Going off of that, then, Yoshi IS the green Yoshi that's playable in both games, regardless of how many times a green Yoshi appears on-screen. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

You can't just conclude that a singular Green Yoshi is automatically the Yoshi. Also, you seem to have skipped over LinkTheLefty's comment on 7feetunder's talk page about multiple Yoshis appearing in Super Mario World. It's not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:31, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
Multiple green Yoshi's appear in just about every game where multiple Yoshis appear, sans Super Mario Sunshine maybe. The only time Yoshi should be specified as the Yoshi is when only one Yoshi makes an appearance, like Super Mario 64 DS, or if the game specifically says so. Both Yoshi and Green Yoshi are tagged with rewrite, so I understand the confusion here. Both articles cover pretty much the exact same thing: Yoshi. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 16:34, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

But it is, my boy. OK, let's forget HOW many green Yoshis appear in each of the games, because ONE OF THEM IS YOSHI THE CHARACTER! So, going off of that logic, we don't need to make a "possible appearances" section, because we know for sure that Yoshi himself DOES appear in these games as the Mario Bros' steed. It's just a matter of finding out WHO is the real Yoshi. In New Super Mario Bros Wii it's World 1-3 that Yoshi the character is found in. In Super Mario World, it's Yoshi's Island 1/2 that he's found in. So mostly, the first green Yoshi is YOSHI THE CHARACTER. It's just a matter of knowing if he's found as the only Green Yoshi in other levels. And no, I haven't forgotten about multiple Yoshis in Mario World, because ONE OF THEM IS YOSHI THE CHARACTER. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

Your method for determining what green Yoshis are the Yoshi is 1. speculative, and 2. arbitrary. The first green Yoshi is any given game is the Yoshi because...why? There is not an ounce of evidence that what you're saying is true. It's just fan wank.
PMTTYD Dark Bones.pngSig.png 16:58, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

It's NOT. Simple, the first green Yoshi is the Yoshi because BOWSER TRAPPED THE REAL ONE IN AN EGG, AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE GAME IS GOING TO LEAD YOU TO HIM. Sorry if I didn't say that earlier. It's not speculation or arbitrary. That's the reason I'm saying what I am. I'm not trying to speculate or be arbitrary, I have good reasons behind all this. After all, it's just plain obvious, ONE OF THE GREEN YOSHIS IS THE YOSHI, and he appears in New Super Mario Bros Wii and Super Mario World as the Mario Bros' steed. I'm not mad or anything, I'm just trying to emphasize my point. I don't say fan wank just randomly. One of them, even if it's not the first one, IS the tried-and-true Yoshi, and that's a fact, because in a game with Yoshis, THE REAL ONE COMES FIRST. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:06, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

There is no need to "shout" in all caps.
In Super Mario World, Bowser trapped all Yoshis in eggs, so that point is moot. There are several green, red, yellow, blue, pink, black, purple, etc. Yoshis. Yes, it's possible one of these Yoshis in Super Mario World could be the "true" Yoshi, but there's no evidence that supports that. Likewise, you could say that neither of them are the "true" Yoshi either, and there'd still be no evidence to support that claim. There simply isn't enough info here to determine which Yoshi is the one that shows in SM64DS, Mario Sluggers, Mario Party, etc. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:13, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

I'm not shouting, I'm just trying to emphasize my point. But still, Bowser's going to trap the REAL one first, so the first egg you break HAS to reveal Yoshi. Nintendo wouldn't be stupid to put random Yoshis, without putting Yoshi in first. He's also the Yoshi that starts the loop of levels in the Yoshi's Island games. I mean, this isn't speculation, because Bowser traps Yoshi first, and then goes for everyone else. I mean, that's the way I see it. ONE of them is Yoshi. I just know it. I mean, Nintendo would HAVE to put him in in some way, be it obvious or inconspicuous.
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I'm going with what 7feetunder and Alex are saying, it just makes more sense that they'd be different individuals, because there'd be no reason for him to be trapped in an egg multiple times. The only Super Mario games which have him as rideable and directly reference a Yoshi as the character are Super Mario World and Super Mario Galaxy 2, where the first one that's rescued is referred to as him. Although how he can be both a residence of Yoshi's Island, Sky Station Galaxy, and Yoshi Star Galaxy is anyone's guess, but I suppose that goes for Yo'ster Island as well. NSMBW and U don't reference the character. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2017 (CT)

I know that the game is barely known, but look at what Nintendo said in the Wii U version of Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games:

There are lots of varieties and colors of Yoshis, but they're all still just called "Yoshi." It's not really a name like how "Mario" is. If you're even in doubt, you can tell a Yoshi by their kind heart, fast feet, and huge appetite!

At this point I'm even wondering if a recurring Yoshi character ever existed in the first place. Nintendo loves to use generic members of a species named with the name of the species, and even pointed out that the Toads with an actual name (Captain Toad, Toadsworth) are distinct from the other Toads.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

That may just be a reference to how the name of the species is also "Yoshi", and shouldn't be taken as a lack of an individual Yoshi. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:32, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
Actually, the text is clearly saying that Yoshi is not a personal name like Mario is. The following considerations come from other observations of how Nintendo is dealing with this and a lot of other characters bearing the name of species rather than a personal name.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
Wow, so...since this came up, I just wanted to share with you that this actually isn't new information. There was a long-defunct official website that said the same exact thing about Yoshis (I don't recall if it included others like Toads). I'm fairly certain it came from here or there, but it's no longer fully accessible and I've no idea if anyone ever had the foresight to make a working backup. I just never mentioned it here since I had no idea how it'd be received, it could've easily been construed as faulty memory and there was no obvious way to back myself up, but here we are. Thanks for finding this. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
That changes a lot of how I view the Mario world, but what do I know, I still think Boom Boom isn't a species. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2017 (CT)

Maybe, Doc, but one of the green Yoshis in New Super Mario Bros Wii is him. Nobody but Nintendo, though, knows who exactly it is. I say we don't make a possible appearances section, because like TimeTurner said, it only creates more speculation.

Also, Mister Wu, of course there is. I mean, he's clearly distinguishable from everyone else. He speaks English, he uses eggs for his specials, and a little more I need to think about. He's notably braver than others of his kind, and he's a kind fellow, and he's a leader to them. It's kind of obvious, Yoshi the character does exist. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

Nothing in either NSMBW itself or in the manual for it said that any one of them was Yoshi. And where did this "leader" stuff come from? The only Yoshi leader is a fat green Yoshi with a feather. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2017 (CT)

It doesn't have to say, it can probably just imply; in fact, the New Super Mario Bros Wii website actually says it in the Yoshi section, at the very least implying that he's in the game. Also, see the article itself, in the Personality section. He's clearly distinct from the others. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:45, 2 August 2017 (EDT)