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BUBBLES? From M&LSSS? Playable in King of Swing? - User: Ultimatetoad

Actually, no... They're talking about Bubbles, the star of the NES game Clu Clu Land. I can see how that could be confusing... Maybe something should be done about it. --YellowYoshi398 09:44, 27 January 2007 (EST)

oh... I clicked on the link and... wait a minute, Clu Clu Land? Thats just as weird! She's Playable? - User: Ultimatetoad

Yeah, DK: King of Swing's gameplay was based off Clu Clu Land's, so its only fitting Bubbles be in I guess. -- Sir Grodus

Trivia = Interesting. Seeing Bowser as King K. Rool is interesting. -- Son of Suns

When K. Rool didn't even exist at that time, and Bowser even looked less like K. Rool in the second one? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:49, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

It's interesting cause it may be possible inspiration for the K. Rool design. I say keep it. Making connections like that is what Trivia is all about. -- Son of Suns

Long-Lost Brother

Well, according to the trophy of King K. Rool in Brawl, Kaptain K. Rool and King K. Rool are two seperate characters-Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. Should we create a seperate page for Kaptain K. Rool? Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

within the article it says that its only in the japanese version that they aren't the same person so don't think we need to change anything - Kamicciolo

But is the trophy information of K. Rool changed in the American version of the game? Hmm...I don't think that's something any of us knows... Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Just have to wait and see - Kamicciolo

I'm assuming this is a mistake, like how Cranky's trophy says his first playable appearance is Barrel Blast. -- Sir Grodus 19:36, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Sir Grodus: Nintendo, who made Brawl, often chooses to say that it always has been the current Donkey Kong who has always been Donkey Kong, and he hasn't had ANY playable apperances except in Donkey Kong (with Nintendo DON'T support) and Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by KingMario (talk). 1st March, 2008 09:26 (UTC +01)

Daisy's trophy information in SSBM said she appeared in Mario Golf (A game she didn't actually appear in) instead ofMario Tennis. The trophy info were full of false info, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the case with Brawl. I think a trivia note about the Brawl trophy is good enough. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)

I don't know about you, but my SSBM lists Daisy's first appearance as Super Mario Land. Maybe they fixed it in the European version though. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 06:51, 1 March 2008 (EST)

D'oh, I checked the Daisy article and uh, it say something completly different about her trophy in SSBM, I corrected my above post to reflect it. --Blitzwing 07:08, 1 March 2008 (EST)

KingMario: Cranky Kong is playable in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country 3 and is also playable in Donkey Konga 3; both these games were released years before Barrel Blast. -- Sir Grodus 21:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Nintendo makes all kinds of mistakes, this is probably just one of them. ^Plumber 18:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

It's really annoying that Nintendo keeps on throwing these huge continunuity loops at us... However, the Smash Bros. games, being crossovers, could easily be said to be un-canonical. I like our theory better.

On the OTHER hand, we have absolutely no evidence for ours the Kaptain/King/Baron=same person thing, do we? - Ultimatetoad

I'm pretty sure the manual of DKC2 stated "He's Back" when talking about Kaptain K. Rool. Now, since this would be his first appearance in the series if he was a brother, I'm pretty sure Rare was showing that it was the same person. This trophy error may come from the fact that, in Japan, they were stated to be brothers, while here they were stated to be the same person. Frum LANKY KONG !

Nintendo already confirmed that they are one in the same. - Korporal K. Reep

K. Lumsy

I heard that K. Lumsy was K. Rool's brother. Master Lucario The Aura is with me...

I think that's just a rumor stemming from they're similar names - the only place I've heard them referred to as brothers was on that Mario Series Characters Guide website. -- Sir Grodus 16:43, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Then doesn't that make it official? Also, SSBB says that Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. ^Plumber 17:57, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Uh, the Mario series Character guide is completely unofficial. About the Kaptain K. Rool thing, there's a discussion about it just above. --Blitzwing 17:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Tail...

• I know for a fact K. Rool had a tail in DKC and DK64, but in SSBB, his trophy has no tail at all...

Ever since PAON took over the DK series, K. Rool has been without a tail. So, yeah, King of Swing I'm pretty sure was the first time he appeared without a tail. Frum LANKY KONG !

I can't even find pictures of K. Rool with a tail, and the DKC cartoon had him without a tail. Since I can't ever remember seeing his tail, I've often been under the assumption he just never had one. The gallery is also lacking pictures of him being depicted with a tail.--68.6.234.179 01:01, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

He has a very minor tail in the old DKC artworks and sprites, but they were mostly hidden behind his cape. DK64 had a very noticeable tail though. MarioComix (talk) 02:34, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

Main image

-The main image is from Jungle Climber, but in Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers his skin was a bit yellower, so wouldn't that mean the current picture is out of date? Kount K. Rool 15:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Unless there's a newer official artwork, No, it's not outdated. --Blitzwing 15:48, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

-I actually believe this is an outdated image. There is an image of King K. Rool in his egyptian outfit, which is from the last game he was an actual character in.--Kaptain Kremling

1. Why are you responding to an 8-year old comment. 2. the current image is the most representative of King K. Rool that's why we use it. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 18:48, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Pharaoh K.Rool

He´s now egyptian, that means that kritters should call him "pharaoh" (calling king an egyptian king is actually (or more like "was") an offense for him...

Drmgin 16:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I don't have MSS but I strongly doubt it's directly stated that he's egyptian just 'cause he wears clothes like an egyptian. But even if he is, we should not under any circumstances change the article's name to "Pharoh K. Rool". Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)

On looking like Bowser

I don't think this is important enough to go into the article, but in case it comes up, someone asked the Scribes if K. Rool was based on Bowser, and the answer gives was "Probably not, as one overweight lizard tends to look like another," observes DKC's designer. He has a point." (Scribes page for December 20th 2007).

I think it's interesting enough for Trivia. =) Culex 15:06, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Well I guess I'll expand on the trivia bullet that already talks about this then. --Turkishcoffee 15:09, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Split Kaptain K. Rool

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no split 0-13
Just recently, I was playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl and began to read the trophy descriptions. When I read King K. Rool's description, I noticed that it said, "His brother, Kaptain K. Rool, made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest." Since Kaptain K. Rool is actually his brother, I propose we split them because they are two different characters with completely different roles.

Proposer: Fawfulfury65 (talk)
Deadline: November 22, 2010 23:59 (UTC)

Keep Merged

1. Its-a-me Yoshi! (talk)- It is never mentioned outside of brawl and Diddys Kong quest says its an alter ego.
2. M&SG (talk) - Not necessary by any means, considering that Kaptain K. Rool is just King K. Rool's alter-ego. This also applies to Baron K. Roolenstein. Though it is pretty strange that Dr. Mario has a separate article.
3. Walkazo (talk) - The Brawl trophy has been accepted as a mistake for years (see this page's top section, from 2008). So, until we're given a more substantial reason to split the characters, we should continue to trust that the DKC2 manual at least knew what it was talking about (Kaptain K. Rool's complete description reads "The leader of the pack is back, and this time he's packing a blunderbuss! Ouch!"). Plus, splitting them will confuse tonnes of fans who just thought it was a costume change (like Baron K. Roolenstein); at least Dr. Mario has his own series and acts different from the plumber...
4. Grandy02 (talk) The Kaptain is only portrayed as separate character in Japan. I'd support if the DKC games were developed in Japan, but they were created by British developer Rare, who portrayed Kaptain and Baron as alter-egos. The trophy information was simply translated from Japanese without paying attention to the English DKC materials. If Kaptain or Baron should ever appear together with King K. Rool as his relatives, they would be worth their own articles, of course, but not just because of the trophy description.
5. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) Per all, this is an alter-ego that only appeared in one game and there isn't enough different stuff to talk about on it.
6. Edofenrir (talk) - Per Grandy02.
7. Mario304 (talk) - Keep merged because King K. Rool and Kaptain K Rool are the same character in U.S. and Europe, but they are separate in Japan. Also, Per all.
8. Bowser's luma (talk) Per all.
9. Mechayoshi (talk) Just asking for stub articles. per all.
10. MarioManiac (talk) Per all.
11. Garlic Stapler (talk) No difference, just an alias.
12. JF (talk) They're the same person.
13. Mpeng (talk) We would just get another stub.

Comments

That would just make a stub with little info to put in it.....Mechayoshi (talk)

@Its-a-me Yoshi!: Yes, but Brawl came after DKC2, so it is the most recent source. An official Nintendo game can't lie. Fawfulfury65 (talk)

The trophy descriptions can have mistakes at times, though. Baby Mario's trophy description is an example. And that's not the only one. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)}

The question is whether this would be considered a joke or not. Marioguy1 (talk)

What would be considered a joke? This proposal? I don't see why it would be: it's a valid question - one that's been asked many times before on this matter. - Walkazo 04:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess I didn't notice the sections above :p. You can't really prove that it could have been a mistake, and Brawl is an official source. Fawfulfury65 (talk)

While Brawl is indeed an official source, I personally think that when deciding how a character not from the Smash Bros. series should be dealt with, information stemming directly from that character's series should take a higher priority than Smash Bros. trophy information if they contradict each other. Just my view on this, though.--vellidragon 15:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

@MrConcreteDonkey: No, there's actually a lot to talk about if he's a whole different character. Fawfulfury65 (talk)

Rare didn't portray him as a different character, though, the Japanese localisation team did. --Grandy02 (talk)

While Nintendo game are an official source the writing of King K. Rool's brother appearing as a boss in that Donkey Kong game is a mistake it seems as you fight King K. Rool in all three Diddy Kong games. it's just another of those little minor things the editors forgot to edit from the game. Garlic Stapler (talk)

@Walkazo: I forgot I put that here >_> Anyways, what I meant was do we consider the brawl description a mistake or not? I don't think ~any proposals are joke proposals. Marioguy1 (talk)

If we keep them merged, should we merge ALL the transformations of Mario and Wario to their respective users? Fire Mario IS in fact Mario, and Bouncy Wario IS in fact Wario, right? Arend (talk)

The Smash Bros. universe is not only non-canon to the Mario series, but there is no other known source (Japanese or otherwise) which states they are separate characters. Until we get another source on the matter, this should strictly be treated as the typical Trophy mistake. LinkTheLefty 14:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I would support this proposal. SWFlash

Unfeature Template.

The unfeature template isn't a joke, I really did nominate it to be unfeatured. Go to the comments section to get the link to the new proposal. Help, how can I get it to go to the new nomination page? Koopa K (talk)

Never mind, It has the correct link now. Koopa K (talk)

K

the K in king K rool, what does it means?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.168.159.4 (talk).

I don't think it means anything other than it adds a silly pun to King K. Rool's name.

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:36, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

the K probaly stands for kritter--Luma & Dry Bowser Rock (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

hey it might mean king kremling rool a theory so do not go that is stupid remember it is just a theory a game theory sorry watched a little to much game theory-rickmaster

The man who created him said that the K means nothing K rool uses it to make him seem important_ Korporal K. Reep

should i

in the mario super sluggers section it says he is the strongest right handed batter he is also the strongest unlockable batter. should i put that down?--Luma & Dry Bowser Rock (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Game name error

While looking at List of appearances by date section, it showed "Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest" where it should be Diddy's Kong Quest. Could someone change this please? I would change it but i am afraid of messing up the link area. 173.187.35.18 08:13, 14 November 2017 (EST)

I corrected it. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 08:15, 14 November 2017 (EST)

Past

K. Rool initially was pirate before being king. Everything is evidenced.

“K. Rool proves he's pirate and not a sailor with yet another wrecked ship.”

—Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest Player's Guide, page 20

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ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

As I mentioned in my edit summary, all of this evidence references K. Rool being a pirate captain (which we already know, thanks to his Kaptain persona in Diddy's Kong Quest), but nothing explicitly confirms that he was a pirate before becoming king. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:14, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

K. Rool's creator Steve Mayles approved the idea of his backstory where he was Kackle's pirate pupil along with Kloak and pirate Kritters before they die. --ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2024 (EDT)

King Krusha K. Rool battle?

Ok so as we know, the oldest unimplemented proposal on the wiki is creating boss level articles on DK bosses. One that I havent seen an article for is the battle against K. Rool in the boxing match ring. There's no specific name for the area in the game, so i guess that is why it's not been split yet. There is an associated article on DK Wiki that has more info than what mario wiki has. this is why i ask how we should go about splitting k rool's page. King Krusha K. Rool is the name of his boxing alias, but as we know, we should keep the aliases integrated with K. Rool's main page. If all else fails, should we conjecturally name the article "Boxing Ring (Donkey Kong 64)"? I have the dk64 guide so i'll try and see what names it gives in the guide... Results May Vary (talk) 12:42, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

I mean... we kinda have an article on the place where you fight K. Rool here... Maybe this could be the place where we talk in details about the fight against him? --Metalex123 (talk) 13:15, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

I dunno, it's more about his personal vehicle. Slightly forum talk but how on earth does he fit a whole boxing arena inside the King Kruiser II? Results May Vary (talk) 13:18, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

I merged that info to King K. Rool#Donkey Kong 64 a few months ago. 13:52, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah but how about: King Kruiser II covers the vehicle, the Boxing Ring covers the boss battle, and K Rool's DK64 section summarizes his in-game role? Results May Vary (talk) 14:11, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

The DK64 Nintendo Power guide generically refers to it as "boxing arena", while Prima doesn't give a specific title. The Nintendo.com Banana guide doesn't even give a name. Personally I'd settle this by summarizing the battle on King K. Rool's page and the King Kruiser II articles alike, though done differently based on the subject, and then create boxing arena as the stage title. Results May Vary (talk) 11:07, August 11, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, so I decided to remove the talk header because i think a valid kong-clusion is that we should refer to its generic name--boxing arena--and make a page from there covering all aspects of the boss battle. Results May Vary (talk) 14:56, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

In the game files the stage is actually known as boxing arena Korporal K. Reep

King Koopa

Was there an episode in SMBSS where it also occured, or am i just misremembering? -- FanOfYoshi at 03:19, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Split Kaptain K. Rool, Baron K. Roolenstein and King Krusha K. Rool

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canceled by proposer
Across the wiki, characters have their forms or alter-egos split from the main character (e.g. Leo Luster from Bluster Kong, Dr. Mario from Mario, and basically every form Mario takes from a powerup). However, it seems that this isn't the case for K. Rool and his three "forms". Now, it may just seem like they are just their specific games version of the character and nothing less. But both K. Rool and his Krusha K. Rool form both appear in Donkey Kong 64. And Kaptain and Krusha both make cameo appearances in K. Rool's attacks in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I'd definitely say these versions of K. Rool have enough going on for them to be worthy of an article.

Proposer: Starluxe (talk)
Deadline: November 13, 2024, 23:59 (UTC)

Support

1. Starluxe (talk) Per proposal
2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.

Nightwicked Bowser (talk) I don't agree with the power-up comparison but I do agree with the proposal's intent

Oppose

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Why are we splitting costumes?
2. Hewer (talk) Per points brought up in the comments. Also, I wouldn't say K. Rool's aliases actually appear in his Smash moves; he references them by putting on a pirate hat, propellerpack, or boxing glove, but he's still just King K. Rool. If anything I could see it being a point against splitting them since it shows that they aren't that distinct from normal K. Rool (unlike Dr. Mario who's an entirely separate character in the Smash games).
3. Super Mario RPG (talk) I think it's fine as is.
4. Technetium (talk) Per Waluigi Time in the comments.
5. MarioComix (talk) Even if we do split out Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstein, to be in line with something like Giant Bowser or Meowser, etc., how much of that page would be redundant with what remains on King K. Rool's page? Either both K. Rool's DKC2 section and Kaptain K. Rool would be about the same, or we would be removing K. Rool's DKC2 info and putting it into Kaptain K. Rool, which at that point is just extra hassle for no real benefit. For example, someone wanting to read about K. Rool's DKC2 info from K. Rool's own page would have to navigate to a separate page just to do so. Even considering the "gameplay abilities" of Kaptain / Baron forms, Kaptain K. Rool's abilities are essentially just K. Rool's abilities in DKC2, and Baron's for DKC3, so I think it works best to keep it on the same page.
6. Windy (talk) Per Hewer.
7. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Splitting would cause too much redundancy for what amounts to King K. Rool playing dress-up. He doesn't have any distinct personality changes like Rookie or Mr. L, and he doesn't acquire any power-ups like Meowser; he is literally just putting a costume on. This would be akin to splitting all of King Koopa's alter egos from each other.
8. Killer Moth (talk) Per all.
9. Dainn (talk) Per all.

Comments

The power-ups are split because Mario is not the only one who can take these forms: several of them are also used by Luigi, Peach, the Toads, Daisy, Rosalina, etc. Sure, there are some power-ups that only Mario can use due to the fact that they appear in games where Mario is the only playable character (and the same goes for Yoshi and Wario with their transformations). But the point is, these are being treated as transformations with their own unique abilities, benefits and weaknesses first, NOT as the character assuming those transformations. So I wouldn't put these on the same caliber as K. Rool's alter egos, which are more in line with King Koopa's many, many alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!
If we did treat these power-ups as separate character alter egos the same way as Leo Luster and Dr. Mario, we would have various articles on everyone else assuming those power-up forms (Cat Peach, Fire Rosalina, Kitsune Luigi, Drill Daisy, Metal Wario, etc.), and that might feel redundant. And at that point, we may actually need to do the same with Dr. Mario, because of all the Dr. alter egos from all the characters in Dr. Mario World (which includes things like Dr. Dolphin and Dr. Goomba Tower), adding to the redundancy. Really, the one exception I can think of from the top of my head is Meowser, not only because of the more unique name, but mostly because this one is treated as a boss character instead of a mere transformation that everyone can assume. And that could maybe be a condition to split the K. Rool alter egos? rend (talk) (edits) 07:22, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

I see where this proposal is coming from, but it reminds me of certain WarioWare characters who change jobs, outfits, and names between games, like Gelato Joe / Pizza Joe / Manager Joe / Editor Joe / Joe and Ken the Reporter / Anchorman Ken / Ken the VJ / Reporter Ken / Ken, and I don't support splitting those. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:01, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

@Support: These are literally costumes for King K. Rool and nothing else. Shall we split the Fire/Tanooki etc... ones as well? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:03, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

To be fair, one of the proposal's arguments is that "the Fire/Tanooki etc... ones" are split already. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:10, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

Besides, there's a good reason why "the Fire/Tanooki etc... ones" are split (as well as why they aren't split further beyond Fire Mario/Tanooki Mario), as I've explained at the top of the comments section. rend (talk) (edits) 16:50, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

Issue: In Donkey Kong Land 3, he has the appearance of Baron K. Roolenstein, but is consistently just called "K. Rool" even in the cast roll. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:55, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

I'm not sure about this one. Compared to Leo Luster, or even Mr. L or Rookie, there's not really any tangible difference that I'm aware of that would make these worth splitting. There's no personality changes or relevance to the story (for the first two, K. Rool even stays in costume for the entire game). They're just K. Rool playing dress-up basically, which puts them more in line with Bowser's alter-egos from the Super Show. Dr. Mario is a poor comparison due to the sheer volume of appearances and playable status, and the power-ups don't work as an argument at all. Those aren't character alter-egos/costumes, they're specific transformations with gameplay functions. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:34, October 30, 2024 (EDT)

Go ahead and oppose. The comments for opposing is that there's no reason to split. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 06:52, October 31, 2024 (EDT)

It's Waluigi Time's choice if he wants to cast a vote on the proposal or not, don't tell other users to vote just because their comment infers one side. Nightwicked Bowser 08:57, October 31, 2024 (EDT)

Different in Japan?

[So, from what Glowsquid] found out, King K. Rool is depicted as three separate guys in Japan in a SDK2 manga and the “Uhoho Donkey-kun,” manga. This means we might have to reconsider the "mistranlation" as it seems it was done on purpose despite Rare Twitter saying that King K. Rool and Kaptain K. Rool are the same guy. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 16:18, January 13, 2025 (EST)

I don't have any information besides what you've said here, but from experience with other licensed manga it's that these are written by authors independent of the parent company (Nintendo) and tend to take creative liberties, for example the Legend of Zelda manga or of course the various Pokemon manga that have been released, so it's not necessarily indicative of Nintendo Japan's stance on the character, whether it be back then or now. It could warrant a mention on the page that they are depicted as individuals in said manga, or it could even warrant splitting off Kaptain and Baron as forms of K. Rool (as suggested by a failed proposal) and then mention on those pages that he's depicted as an individual in those manga. But of course, we need the full story, after all, maybe K. Rool found a magic artifact that split him into 3 individuals in those manga? MarioComix (talk) 01:09, January 14, 2025 (EST)

I'd have supported the split. Even if they're just "disguises" ultimately, if notable personas like Dr. Mario (who sometimes is treated as his own character) are taken as different forms worthy of different articles, I see no reason why K. Rool can't have them, too. Plus, there's already a precedent via DKC2's "pirate" versions of DKC baddies (e.g. Klomp/Kritter, Kruncha/Krusha...). If "dresses differently and goes under another name" is different enough for regular enemies, why isn't it special enough for the big baddie? LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:55, January 17, 2025 (EST)

DKL3 remains an issue. He's dressed the same as in DKC3, but isn't given any name beyond "K. Rool." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:38, January 17, 2025 (EST)

But he's not 'King' K. Rool there, right? Looks like a few DKC3 lines also shorten K. Roolenstein to K. Rool, notably the Banana Queen. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:56, January 17, 2025 (EST)

But in those cases, it could be taken as characters referring to him by his real name despite the "persona name" he's using. For the enemies, I would say keeping the variants split is in line with the way the Wiki splits variants such as Tail Bullet Bills, 1-off enemies very similar to the original enemy. About the point of "K. Rool can't have [a different article] too", I would say it's also worth considering ease-of-use for a reader. Let's say they want to find info on "K. Rool from DKC2", they can more easily navigate to King K. Rool's page and find it there, rather than have to be redirected to yet another link about "Kaptain K. Rool" which merely describes K. Rool's abilities in DKC2 and the two times he appeared as a separate entity in a 3rd-party manga. It's almost like if we treated Petey Piranha as a species across the whole series despite the only times being in the two games Square Enix developed. Additionally, K. Rool's Japanese bio for DK64 notably describes him as the Kongs' enemy "as always", so there's intent there for the personas to be the same as K. Rool even in Japan. MarioComix (talk) 01:11, January 18, 2025 (EST)

On the navigation point: maybe "K. Rool" can work as a disambig in the split scenario, rather than keep it as a redirect for King K. Rool. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:54, January 18, 2025 (EST)

So recently Bowser alter-egos from the Kodansha manga have gotten their own pages (King Tetris and the like), and they vary from "Bowser so completely disguised he's unrecognizable" to "Bowser in a dollar-store Halloween costume." Given the amount of information available there, it may be time to rethink this one as well... though if we do, we also should rethink King Koopa's alter egos, given they're just as different. Worth noting that on both counts of SMBSS and DKC's "themed" villains, we historically have split the "enemy" ones but not the "boss" ones. (There's also however we should handle the glory that is Robby Rockwell.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:36, May 2, 2025 (EDT)

K. Rool liking bananas

Does K. Rool actually like bananas? The first paragraph states that he stole the banana hoard because he likes bananas, and this claim is backed up with two sources. However, in DK: Jungle Climber, K. Rool states the following:

Oh, sweet, creamy, potassium-rich irony! I hate bananas anyway!

The article cites both the manual of Donkey Kong Country manual and the Scribes section of Rarewhere, which, I wouldn't consider the best citations in my opinion. I'll explain what I mean below

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure the Donkey Kong Country manual states that Diddy likes bananas, and not K. Rool.

The Kremlings were out there, this much was certain. They coveted Donkey Kong’s banana stockpile, the largest on the island, and probably in the world. A treasure in potassium and Vitamin A. The perfect food. “Ahhh... delicious bananas...” The thought of DK’s golden horde almost made Diddy forget his uncomfortable situation.

This says Diddy was thinking about the bananas, not K. Rool, right?

Rarewhere does actually say K. Rool likes bananas, but not only is it an older source, but I feel like it might just be an assumption that should be taken as a joke? I'm not sure.

K. Rool wants the banana horde because DK will starve and die without it, enabling the crafty croc to occupy the gorilla's cosy treehouse pad. He might also want it as he likes bananas, who knows?

The way the last part is written kinda sounds more like an assumption they want you to take as joke than something factual. Also just that K. Rool directly says himself that he hates bananas in Jungle Climber, so I'm assuming that's what Nintendo considers factual now. Zing Zang Zote 12:47, March 8, 2025 (EST)

Or he's just come to associate bananas with being walloped by monkeys after all this time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:48, March 8, 2025 (EST)

This is already explained better in the last paragraph of the Personality section (which also includes more sources). I think the point of the manual citation is the bit before the Diddy Kong quote, where it implies the reason the Kremlings want the bananas is because they're "a treasure in potassium and Vitamin A". Either way, per MarioWiki:Canonicity, we're not supposed to pick the "right" source in cases like this where they contradict. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:08, March 21, 2025 (EDT)

It should be noted research has shown the Japanese text for DK: Jungle Climber, has K. Rool make no mention of hating Bananas at any point and the "I hate bananas anyway ", which always struck me as sour grapes, wasn't in the Japanese script where he simply says he'll rampage on Plantaen. Personally I find the Japanese text more relevant as the game was developed in Japan by Paon and released there first, I also feel K. Rool liking bananas is consistent with everything but the Nelvana cartoon, though I'm not going to put either in the article as due to the wiki stance. Delsait (talk) 18:55, May 17, 2025 (EDT)

Tropical Freeze rock formation that supposedly resembles K. Rool

Am I not seeing it? I see something that only vaguely resembles his head but it seems like a stretch to say it's him. Mario JC 23:12, May 19, 2025 (EDT)

The game did have some obscure background references. It could be, but only if there's confirmation of it. Otherwise, I'm inclined to say that's a coincidence since it requires some imagination. It honestly looks more like Sid the sloth to me lol Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:23, May 19, 2025 (EDT)

It definitely resembles a face with two rocks that clearly resemble eyeballs as well as semblance of a mouth, I can see it as a kremling if I squint, but not K. Rool. We can mention the face rock in the notes, but note the "it looks like K. Rool" thing. Delsait (talk) 23:43, May 19, 2025 (EDT)

If anything, it feels like I'm looking at modern art here trying to piece together what this rock looks like, rather than "Oh, this rock is K. Rool!" Since it's this much of a stretch, I don't think it constitutes a direct "cameo" nor a real mention. I'll also remove the talk template since this topic isn't very much open anymore, either you think you see something, or you figure that you don't. MarioComix (talk) 01:19, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Replacing the info box image?

K. Rool's first appearance in the DK series in over a decade is upon us, and thanks to early adopters of Bananza we've seen his modern design, which is near identical to his look in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. He now has darker, more detailed scales, and notably, his belly is back to the gold-plated look that he had pre-PAON games. For this reason, due to him lacking a render for the new game (and unlikely to get one later due to the suprise nature of his inclusion) I think it makes sense to use his Smash Ultimate render for the info box, at least for the time being, rather than the outdated Jungle Climber one we are currently using.

Of course, we could also just use a screenshot from Bananza, but imo using his Smash render (again, for the time being) would be simpler and arguably would look better. Thoughts? Okapii (talk)

Well, we didn't replace Rocky Wrench's infobox image until we got a proper image of his model from Mario Kart World, and his design was introduced since Wave 6 of the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass back in 2023, and a much more drastic redesign compared to K. Rool. Changing it to his Smash Ultimate design is also not a good idea IMO, given that his Bananza design has several differences compared to that design (his face features square scales like the rest of his body, his cape isn't tattered much like his classic and PAON designs, and his tail is noticeably longer like in his classic design. rend (talk) (edits) 15:50, July 16, 2025 (EDT)

Per Arend, we'll likely need to wait for Nintendo to actually release character art of K. Rool as he appears in Bananza. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 17:18, July 16, 2025 (EDT)

But then there's, for example, Smithy. He got art in the original but not the remake, but the infobox uses a screenshot from the remake. And he doesn't even have any design changes… Then again I guess the original art isn't of the best quality. Anyway, I do think it's important to reflect the design change especially when him having a golden belly again is a plot point. Technetium (talk) 16:25, July 20, 2025 (EDT)

Since the policy is generally to use the most recent artwork (and we don't have to worry about redundancy now that the Smash fighter infobox is on its way out), I think it would make the most sense to use his Smash render for the infobox until we get a new one. I don't really understand why we're fussing about whether it matches every detail of the Bananza design when it's still much closer than the image we currently have. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 07:32, August 11, 2025 (EDT)

Return to Krocodile Isle

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Hello,

There appears to be some inconsistency with the protection received by the quotes on this article regarding Return to Krocodile Isle, a fan animation which stars Bruce Campbell replaying King K. Rool. from the DKC series. This exceeds the wiki's coverage on fan work. Here, only creators of official Super Mario works may be mentioned; Bruce Campell did not invent King K. Rool and therefore has no valid protection to keep the quotes on the article because the animation is fan work and not official. Unless an ambiguous Discord post would like to say otherwise, I fail to see why keeping the fan quotes on this article is imperative and worth protecting. --Mjmannella (talk) 06:56, July 20, 2025 (EDT)

I think you misread the policy article a bit: "fan work by creators officially involved with the brand" is something that the wiki shouldn't be (fully) covering at all since it's not endorsed by Nintendo (though a mention may be allowed still). The page further details a few exceptions; those being artwork of Super Mario characters from artists involved with the Super Mario brand, but outside of the context of their employment with Nintendo (i.e. fanart); and quotes from Super Mario characters by one of their voice actors in an unofficial performance in a given piece of media, if I'm reading things correctly. While I think it's also strange that the quotes Ben Campbell (not Bruce Campbell btw) as K. Rool in Return to Krocodile Isle are being covered here, I think the Wiki still allows it.
But what's REALLY strange is that the short itself is also been covered on the DKC TV series article for some reason. I get mentioning on Ben Campbell's page that he reprised K. Rool for the fanmade short, but I don't think it's been officially acknowledged by Nintendo otherwise, so why does it have a full-on section AND its YouTube thumbnail covered on the DKC show's page? rend (talk) (edits) 08:18, July 20, 2025 (EDT)

While we don't know the full picture, we think it's relevant to mention a proposal determined that quotes such as these, originating from fan projects or other such media that usually falls under coverage, but had the original voice actors reprise their roles are fair game. This should probably be added to the Coverage page soon as an additional exception! As for why the DKC Cartoon page has a brief section on Return to Krocodile Isle, we're less sure, admittedly. We'll defer on that one. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 12:46, July 20, 2025 (EDT)

I was the one that gave Return to Krocodile Isle a section on the DKC TV article. I gave it a section because this also had a section on the SMB film article. Zing Zang Zote 18:03, July 21, 2025 (EDT)

While I understand the perspective, I believe the unofficial web comic warrants a brief mention due to an official creator (writer), Parker Bennett, reprising his role in creating that media. The fan work's only tie to official content is Ben Campbell, who is a voice actor and not a writer like Bennett. This is more of a personal note, but I think the webcomic is better placed under the production header and then moving the note on the animated movie to the introduction part as it has virtually no connection to the 1993 movie. --Mjmannella (talk) 08:08, July 22, 2025 (EDT)

@Mjmannella Other voice actors reprise their roles too, though? Adrian Truss reprises his role of General Klump, Ron Rubin reprises his role of Kaptain Skurvy, and Richard Yearwood reprises his role of Donkey Kong. Zing Zang Zote 12:58, July 27, 2025 (EDT)

My argument applies regardless. I'm only isolating Campbell because the context is specifically about King K. Rool. None of the voice actors are official creators, and therefore the fan work should not be covered on the wiki. --Mjmannella (talk) 17:12, July 31, 2025 (EDT)

King of Rot: To Split or Not

King K. Rool is infamous for his aliases, but with them being nothing more than costume changes, they are still merged here. And then there's King of Rot. It's very much a distinct transformation, with it requiring the Banandium Root and giving him powers he didn't have before. So first thought is that it should be split, yet? Thing is, the first part of the K. Rool boss fight in Bananza is very similar to the King of Rot one gameplay wise, and while he gets powered up by the Banandium Root there too, he doesn't get a unique name. It just feels wrong to split King of Rot when it's an upgraded version of the "normal" K. Rool boss fight that will be discussed on this page? Really not sure what to do here… Technetium (talk) 21:14, July 22, 2025 (EDT)

We could go either way personally, but we'd err on the side of not splitting. Even though "Once And Only Once" was (rightfully) repealed awhile ago, the fact of the matter is that a merge is just kind of simpler, seeing as the fight pre- and post-transformation are fairly similar. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 21:23, July 22, 2025 (EDT)

Wouldn't splitting King of Rot mean we have to split other sequel bosses like Re-Peekabruiser and Mad Mixer Remix? rend (talk) (edits) 13:56, July 27, 2025 (EDT)

Well, now with the DK Island DLC the form of K. Rool fought in the Planet Core does have a name through his statue, so in that case should Core K. Rool and King of Rot both be split? PipesTheVlob 09:03, September 15, 2025 (EDT)

King of Rot is already split, so Core should probably be split too. 1468z (talk) 09:09, September 15, 2025 (EDT)

Replacing infobox image w/ Bananza loading art

K. Rool's Bananza design is notably different from his Paon-era appearance & the gold belly is a plot-relevant detail to the game. While there's no official 3D artwork of his new design yet, would the modern 2D artwork used in Bananza's loading screens suffice?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Klumptrap (talk).

Looking at this file, I would say there are a bunch of other details in there that make it less-than-ideal as-is to use as the infobox image. Perhaps if there's a version that comes out with a different background colour and without the golden puddle, that one could be used for his infobox, but for now I would say it's fine to wait. Also, remember to use ~~~~ at the end of your comments to sign your username. MarioComix (talk) 21:02, August 1, 2025 (EDT)

Infobox art

Would replacing the infobox art with the smash ultimate fighter spirit art suffice? The article on the inklings has the infobox as the smash fighter spirit artwork despite that same art being in the smash ultimate profiles.-- Pizza Master 15:30, August 26, 2025 (EDT)

1. Technically, it's the Inklings' solo art used on the back of the European box of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe; the files are actually separate from their Spirit artwork
2. Even then, what's the point of swapping the K. Rool artwork? His Spirit artwork is the same as his DK Jungle Climber artwork, which is already in the infobox.

rend (talk) (edits) 15:48, August 26, 2025 (EDT)

Now I already made this edit a while ago, since it was transparent, although it still said it was DKJC artwork. but after PhGuy12 changed the caption to "artwork from Super Smash Bros." and then someone replaced it with DKJC's JPEG artwork which is a lower quality image, and I think it is in the wiki's interest if we just delete the spirit image and upload it as a new version of this image. Conkdor! (T|C) 16:47, August 26, 2025 (EDT)

No, the SSBU Spirit is literally the sprite ripped directly from the game, all Mario related spirits are also uploaded here, there's no reason to delete it. Sdman213 (talk) 17:07, August 26, 2025 (EDT)

@Sdman213 that's only true for new artwork, such as this image. Like take this image for example, the spirit isn't uploaded separately from it, since they are the same image.Conkdor! (T|C) 07:54, August 29, 2025 (EDT)

K. Rool's Spirit has a lighter color scheme, Jungle Climber is more saturated, and not identical to the spirit sprite. Sdman213 (talk) 10:11, August 29, 2025 (EDT)

Main Antagonist of Bananza

K. Rool's appearances section currently lists him as the main antagonist of Bananza. While K. Rool's the final antagonist, the game's story is based around Void Kong and he's the central antagonist for 95% of the game. I'm not sure I'd consider K. Rool the main villain. Klumptrap (talk) 11:54, September 6, 2025 (EDT)

He's definitely not "the" main villain, though one could argue he is "a" main villain alongside Void. I'd still probably change that to "major," myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:01, September 6, 2025 (EDT)

Dogadon supposedly begging K. Rool for mercy

We have a link to the cutscene with King K. Rool and Dogadon. We don't see Dogadon begging K. Rool for mercy here; rather, Dogadon relates his experience with Diddy Kong singeing his wings by knocking him into lava and Hunky Chunky Kong doing a Primate Punch at his nose. Doagadon huddles up with his face in his palm as he makes dog whimpers because he was traumatized by Kongs, then states he needs to lie down now.

So with this in mind, I'd like to undo the edit saying Dogadon was begging K. Rool for mercy. Delsait (talk) 01:24, November 22, 2025 (EST)

Yeah, that's... Not particularly "begging for mercy." Dogadon doesn't even mention "mercy" once in his dialogue, and K. Rool's dialogue (which, he has none after Dogadon speaks) is basically just asking for a status report. He's just sad he got beat by the Kongs, is all. We'll revert that. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 03:24, November 22, 2025 (EST)

Nintendo Today Render

The recent update to Nintendo Today! added a DK theme, including day 15's animation having a unique clip of K. Rool followed by a pose. I feel like this is the closest we'll get to a proper render of his new design for the infobox. Krexxal (talk) 15:51, December 3, 2025 (EST)

That still isn't artwork so I don't think we can use it. However, the calendar widget usually has a render of the main character seen in an animation (Squawks got a new render to go along with his), so I imagine we will get a proper render of K. Rool come the 15th. Klumptrap (talk) 17:17, December 5, 2025 (EST)

Is it possible to datamine the app and get the render early? And even then, we'd need to regardless since it'd be difficult to crop it out of the calendar widget. Krexxal (talk) 20:32, December 5, 2025 (EST)