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===Species from Adventure Mode In Melee=== | ===Species from Adventure Mode In Melee=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|merge}} | |||
Okay, as many of you already know, we merged the Subspace Emissary enemies in to one article. But I noticed recently that the enemies from Adventure mode in Melee, such as [[Like Like]], [[Octorok]], [[Redead]], [[Polar Bear]], and others still have articles by themselves. I propose these should all be merged into one article, followed by their trophy descrpition, similar to the Subspace Emissary article. Those enemy articles virtually have nothing to do with Mario, and are likely not worthy enough of having their own articles. | Okay, as many of you already know, we merged the Subspace Emissary enemies in to one article. But I noticed recently that the enemies from Adventure mode in Melee, such as [[Like Like]], [[Octorok]], [[Redead]], [[Polar Bear]], and others still have articles by themselves. I propose these should all be merged into one article, followed by their trophy descrpition, similar to the Subspace Emissary article. Those enemy articles virtually have nothing to do with Mario, and are likely not worthy enough of having their own articles. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 14, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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If this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? {{User|Palkia47}} | If this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
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:Palkia: I haven't decided what the article name would be, but I guess something like "List of Adventure Mode Enemies" or something along those lines. | :Palkia: I haven't decided what the article name would be, but I guess something like "List of Adventure Mode Enemies" or something along those lines. | ||
:Blitz: Those articles should probably be merged with the stage themselves. (Though Tingle has a different role in Brawl than he does in Melee). {{User|Garlic Man}} | :Blitz: Those articles should probably be merged with the stage themselves. (Though Tingle has a different role in Brawl than he does in Melee). {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
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===Trophy Locations=== | ===Trophy Locations=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|no consensus|3-3}} | |||
I was reading the page of [[Trophy Descriptions (SSBB)|trophy]] descriptions for [[Super Smash Bros Brawl]] and noticed that the page lacks of locations of the trophies. I was in need of finding a few and hoped the page would help. It was rather discouraging to find no trophy locations at all. My proposal is that we add the necessary locations of each trophy, such as which challenge to complete, if it needs to be hit by a trophy stand in the SSE, if it just has to be found in coin launcher, etc. I don't wish to make this a complete guide, just a simple description of how to get a certain trophy. | I was reading the page of [[Trophy Descriptions (SSBB)|trophy]] descriptions for [[Super Smash Bros Brawl]] and noticed that the page lacks of locations of the trophies. I was in need of finding a few and hoped the page would help. It was rather discouraging to find no trophy locations at all. My proposal is that we add the necessary locations of each trophy, such as which challenge to complete, if it needs to be hit by a trophy stand in the SSE, if it just has to be found in coin launcher, etc. I don't wish to make this a complete guide, just a simple description of how to get a certain trophy. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Luigi001}}<br> | |||
'''Proposer''':{{User|Luigi001}} | '''Deadline''': August 15, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
'''Deadline''': August 15, 2008, 20:00 | |||
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#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per tanookkitails. Well only a few have got locations, you get some by doing certain things, and others with the [[Trophy Stand]], so is merely useless. | #{{User|Tucayo}} - Per tanookkitails. Well only a few have got locations, you get some by doing certain things, and others with the [[Trophy Stand]], so is merely useless. | ||
#{{User|Garlic Man}} - One of the big reasons I'm against this, is because it has nothing to do with the Mario series. I mean, if this proposal gets passed, some will feel the urgency to put [[Sticker]] locations as well, and that really doesn't help back up [[Mariowiki:Importance Policy|The Importance Policy]]. | #{{User|Garlic Man}} - One of the big reasons I'm against this, is because it has nothing to do with the Mario series. I mean, if this proposal gets passed, some will feel the urgency to put [[Sticker]] locations as well, and that really doesn't help back up [[Mariowiki:Importance Policy|The Importance Policy]]. | ||
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Let me clarify. I do think a few make good points for opposing, I still think this proposal is worth a shot. I don't want to make this a guide, but what I mean is note somewhere on the page that most trophies are found at random, but also put what challenge to complete if a trophy is unlocked via one. And I have no idea how the matter of stickers came up, because, while from the same game, are mainly unrealated. Basically, I'm saying put what challenge to complete to get a trophy, and for the others just note somewhere on the page that they are found at random. {{user|Luigi001}} | Let me clarify. I do think a few make good points for opposing, I still think this proposal is worth a shot. I don't want to make this a guide, but what I mean is note somewhere on the page that most trophies are found at random, but also put what challenge to complete if a trophy is unlocked via one. And I have no idea how the matter of stickers came up, because, while from the same game, are mainly unrealated. Basically, I'm saying put what challenge to complete to get a trophy, and for the others just note somewhere on the page that they are found at random. {{user|Luigi001}} | ||
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===Removal/Merging of non-Mario articles=== | ===Removal/Merging of non-Mario articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-13|keep articles the way they are}} | |||
This sort of follows up on my Melee enemies proposal. I noticed articles like [[Leon Powalski]], [[Mei Ling]], [[Otacon]], [[Colonel Roy Campbell]], etc, of articles that have nothing to do with Mario himself, but rather created from interest of the Super Smash Bros. Series. Those characters never interact with Mario in any of his games, nor do they affect them. I say they should either be completely removed, or Merged into their respective Stage/Character articles (Character meaning Snake, Fox, etc. Stage meaning, Lylat Cruise, Shadow Moses Island, etc.) Those articles make it seem like Super Smash Bros. is secondary importance or something. (Not, of course) | This sort of follows up on my Melee enemies proposal. I noticed articles like [[Leon Powalski]], [[Mei Ling]], [[Otacon]], [[Colonel Roy Campbell]], etc, of articles that have nothing to do with Mario himself, but rather created from interest of the Super Smash Bros. Series. Those characters never interact with Mario in any of his games, nor do they affect them. I say they should either be completely removed, or Merged into their respective Stage/Character articles (Character meaning Snake, Fox, etc. Stage meaning, Lylat Cruise, Shadow Moses Island, etc.) Those articles make it seem like Super Smash Bros. is secondary importance or something. (Not, of course) | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 20, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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#{{User|WikiMario}} - I say they should be completely removed from the site since this is a Super Mario Wiki. | #{{User|WikiMario}} - I say they should be completely removed from the site since this is a Super Mario Wiki. | ||
#[[User:Luigi3000]] -Merge with the stage and all will be peaceful Per Garlic!!!! | #[[User:Luigi3000]] -Merge with the stage and all will be peaceful Per Garlic!!!! | ||
# | #{{User|mariomaster10}}-since ssb has only some to do with mario i gotta agree | ||
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::::I see your point. I think right now own main concern should be items, Pokeball Pokemon, cameos, and the trophies already mentioned in the wiki. Depending on the outcome of the proposal we should then turn our attention to the stages like you said. -{{User|Moonshine}} | ::::I see your point. I think right now own main concern should be items, Pokeball Pokemon, cameos, and the trophies already mentioned in the wiki. Depending on the outcome of the proposal we should then turn our attention to the stages like you said. -{{User|Moonshine}} | ||
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===E.T. Templates=== | ===E.T. Templates=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-6|use alien template}} | |||
Currently, we have both {{fake link|Template:Alien}} and {{fake link|Template:Cosmic Species}}, and [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] and I have had some disagreement over how it should be dealt with. I say the Alien template should be used for all species and characters not originating on the [[Mushroom World]], while Garlic Man feels we should keep Cosmic Species. My rationalle is that typing <nowiki>{{Template:Alien}} is easier than {{Template:Cosmic Species}}</nowiki>, his is that the Cosmic Species template was around first. To avoid edit wars, I've brought the issue here, for more feedback over what we should do. Also, I feel it would be best to use [[User:Walkazo/Templates|this]] instead of the current configurations for whichever template we decide to use: it uses terms from both existing templates, and improves organization overall. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 23, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
I've only included options for one or the other now, as we can't have two templates about the same thing. Another idea I had was to limit Cosmic Species to ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' extraterrestrial enemies, as then we might be able to include variations of the species that are found in other dimensions, but I felt this would confuse the issue a bit too much. - {{User|Walkazo}} | I've only included options for one or the other now, as we can't have two templates about the same thing. Another idea I had was to limit Cosmic Species to ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' extraterrestrial enemies, as then we might be able to include variations of the species that are found in other dimensions, but I felt this would confuse the issue a bit too much. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
:Garlic Man: just because something is not native to a certain place '''doesn't''' mean they don't belong there. A Luma came to the Mushroom World, but it was born in space: it's not a native species, ergo, it is an [[ | :Garlic Man: just because something is not native to a certain place '''doesn't''' mean they don't belong there. A Luma came to the Mushroom World, but it was born in space: it's not a native species, ergo, it is an [[wikipedia:alien (biology)|alien]]. If you ''want'' to get into semantics, we can't even call these things [[wikipedia: Extraterrestrial|Extraterrestrials]] because we're not talking about Earth we're talking about the Mushroom World. | ||
:Arend: the only reason Cosmic Species has more links was because Garlic Man added them, after reverting my edit on "Aliens" that bolstered ''its'' link count, I decided to come here instead of retaliate on my own. | :Arend: the only reason Cosmic Species has more links was because Garlic Man added them, after reverting my edit on "Aliens" that bolstered ''its'' link count, I decided to come here instead of retaliate on my own. | ||
:Anyway, I stand by my assertuion that writing "Alien" is easier than "Cosmic Species", though I've designed a new template (see the last line I added to the Proposal) compromising between the two sets of terminology. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Anyway, I stand by my assertuion that writing "Alien" is easier than "Cosmic Species", though I've designed a new template (see the last line I added to the Proposal) compromising between the two sets of terminology. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Oh, no, Luma was NOT in the Mushroom kingdom, except at the very end of the story, if my memory is correct. '''Mario''' was the one who went to outer space to chase Bowser and Peach, and met the Lumas. The Lumas never actually went anywhere besides the observatory. Mario was the "alien" in this case. Also, saying that "Writing Alien is easier" is a lame reason, and has nothing to do with the proposal itself. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::Oh, no, Luma was NOT in the Mushroom kingdom, except at the very end of the story, if my memory is correct. '''Mario''' was the one who went to outer space to chase Bowser and Peach, and met the Lumas. The Lumas never actually went anywhere besides the observatory. Mario was the "alien" in this case. Also, saying that "Writing Alien is easier" is a lame reason, and has nothing to do with the proposal itself. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:::And at the very beginning; but the point is, Lumas ''were'' on the Mushroom World, and that means they can be labeled as "aliens". This is why I suggested the compromise-template - so people won't get bent out of shape over the words. For example, | :::And at the very beginning; but the point is, Lumas ''were'' on the Mushroom World, and that means they can be labeled as "aliens". This is why I suggested the compromise-template - so people won't get bent out of shape over the words. For example, {{fake link|Template:Fire}} included things that aren't actually fire, yet the name is used because it is descriptive and simple. If you want to add a template about "extraterrestrials", you'd try trying in <nowiki>{{Extraterrestrials}} or {{Aliens}} long before {{Cosmic Species}}</nowiki> comes to mind. Yes, I know you can always seek out a different article that has the template to find out the proper code, but people are lazy, and they get side-tracked (myself included). "{{fake link|Alien}}" seems like a more natural title for these creatures. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::::Actually, the Cosmic species template was originally made for creatures like Cosmic Bullet Bills, Cosmic Goombas, Cosmic Bloopers, Cosmic Toads, Cosmic Tox Boxes, most of which later got merged into their respective articles. So, it became a template for any kind of species found in outer space, whether alien or non-alien, covering a wider variety of species. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::::Actually, the Cosmic species template was originally made for creatures like Cosmic Bullet Bills, Cosmic Goombas, Cosmic Bloopers, Cosmic Toads, Cosmic Tox Boxes, most of which later got merged into their respective articles. So, it became a template for any kind of species found in outer space, whether alien or non-alien, covering a wider variety of species. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
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:Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. And saying that "Alien is a shorter word to type" seems more like an excuse than a reason; the cosmic species template, while the name is longer, is still more accurate as to what it has on the template. Everything on the Cosmic species template are "cosmic species", while not everything on the "Alien" template are not "aliens". {{User|Garlic Man}} | :Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. And saying that "Alien is a shorter word to type" seems more like an excuse than a reason; the cosmic species template, while the name is longer, is still more accurate as to what it has on the template. Everything on the Cosmic species template are "cosmic species", while not everything on the "Alien" template are not "aliens". {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
::Actually, the ''characters'' in the Cosmic Species template '''aren't''' "cosmic ''species''", whereas they're all foreign to the Mushroom Planet and are aliens in that sense of the word (a sense that is made clear in the new template headers). {{User|Walkazo}} | ::Actually, the ''characters'' in the Cosmic Species template '''aren't''' "cosmic ''species''", whereas they're all foreign to the Mushroom Planet and are aliens in that sense of the word (a sense that is made clear in the new template headers). {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Mario Super Sluggers Cutscenes=== | ===Mario Super Sluggers Cutscenes=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-4|merge into main article}} | |||
Currently, we have an article entitled [[Challenge Mode Cutscenes (Mario Super Sluggers)]]. So my question is; is this article really needed? I mean all it is is the story of [[Mario Super Sluggers|MSS]] in it's own article. It really doesn't have a point. Shouldn't it just be included in the main article? And having this page gives me a feeling that we need an article about cutscenes in [[Super Mario Galaxy]], or [[Super Mario Sunshine]]. (Note how on those pages the cutscenes are merged nicely with the Story/Plot sections.) | Currently, we have an article entitled [[Challenge Mode Cutscenes (Mario Super Sluggers)]]. So my question is; is this article really needed? I mean all it is is the story of [[Mario Super Sluggers|MSS]] in it's own article. It really doesn't have a point. Shouldn't it just be included in the main article? And having this page gives me a feeling that we need an article about cutscenes in [[Super Mario Galaxy]], or [[Super Mario Sunshine]]. (Note how on those pages the cutscenes are merged nicely with the Story/Plot sections.) | ||
I'd also like to address the length matter. Number one: Does it really matter about how long the article is? Look at the [[SSBB]] article's story (or the Subspace Emissary in it's case.) It's extremely long, but no one is complaining about it. And second of all, I don't mean to put every single bit of information from the page in the actual article. All we need is the major details, because, like Moonshine said, we don't need to know who threw what to who. And as for the pictures, I say we use the best ones and put it right next to the story section, or, if we still want the pictures, make a gallery at the page's bottom that has them in it, and call it Challenge mode screenshots or the like. | I'd also like to address the length matter. Number one: Does it really matter about how long the article is? Look at the [[SSBB]] article's story (or the Subspace Emissary in it's case.) It's extremely long, but no one is complaining about it. And second of all, I don't mean to put every single bit of information from the page in the actual article. All we need is the major details, because, like Moonshine said, we don't need to know who threw what to who. And as for the pictures, I say we use the best ones and put it right next to the story section, or, if we still want the pictures, make a gallery at the page's bottom that has them in it, and call it Challenge mode screenshots or the like. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Luigi001}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Luigi001}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' August 28, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' August 28, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge into main article==== | ====Merge into main article==== | ||
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:What is that supposed to mean? {{User|ForeverDaisy09}} | :What is that supposed to mean? {{User|ForeverDaisy09}} | ||
::Basically, it means "Too many spoilers" and "Too long" are invalid reasons. {{User|Pikax}} | ::Basically, it means "Too many spoilers" and "Too long" are invalid reasons. {{User|Pikax}} | ||
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===Princess?=== | ===Princess?=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|10-26|keep "rosalina"}} | |||
Currently, [[Rosalina]]'s page is just called ''Rosalina'' because she is never called a princess in the games. | Currently, [[Rosalina]]'s page is just called ''Rosalina'' because she is never called a princess in the games. | ||
But I found official proof. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in [[Super Mario Galaxy]]. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page. | But I found official proof. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in [[Super Mario Galaxy]]. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page. | ||
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Now we found proof, I think we can move the page. But before doing anything, users must agree with this. What shall we do? | Now we found proof, I think we can move the page. But before doing anything, users must agree with this. What shall we do? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 28, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Change to ''Princess Rosalina''==== | ====Change to ''Princess Rosalina''==== | ||
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::Just where is this official bio from? As has been said before, it's not said in-game that she's a princess, and I just checked the manual and it doesn't say anything either. Is this from a guide? A ''Prima'' guide, perhaps? {{user|AgentCH}} | ::Just where is this official bio from? As has been said before, it's not said in-game that she's a princess, and I just checked the manual and it doesn't say anything either. Is this from a guide? A ''Prima'' guide, perhaps? {{user|AgentCH}} | ||
::I agree with AgentCH. Prima puts fake stuff in their guides. For example look at the MKWii guide. They say Waluigi owns Waluigi Industries and Daisy is Peach's cousin. Totally fake. No Proof from NP. {{User|Yoshikart}} | ::I agree with AgentCH. Prima puts fake stuff in their guides. For example look at the MKWii guide. They say Waluigi owns Waluigi Industries and Daisy is Peach's cousin. Totally fake. No Proof from NP. {{User|Yoshikart}} | ||
Wow, after I placed my oppose, there was a rush of opposes following mine... I feel Special. :P Anyway, I do also agree with AgentCH, because if it's not in-game or in-manual, then it's probably not our most reliable source. We may as well move [[Mario]] to {{ | Wow, after I placed my oppose, there was a rush of opposes following mine... I feel Special. :P Anyway, I do also agree with AgentCH, because if it's not in-game or in-manual, then it's probably not our most reliable source. We may as well move [[Mario]] to {{fake link|Plumber Mario}} (hey, a red link!). {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
The term '''princess''' could be just a "nick name" and not a true title. The "princess that wonders the stars" ''Princess'' could be saying that she is a legondary person. Or maybe just because she is beautiful (I never said that. I've just heard people say she is ;) ). I think that it is just a play on words. {{User|MC Hammer Bro.}} | The term '''princess''' could be just a "nick name" and not a true title. The "princess that wonders the stars" ''Princess'' could be saying that she is a legondary person. Or maybe just because she is beautiful (I never said that. I've just heard people say she is ;) ). I think that it is just a play on words. {{User|MC Hammer Bro.}} | ||
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Whoa, I voted on this proposal? I wasn't going to bother voting because the outcome was so one sided at the time (it still is, haha). Anyway, The deadline passed some time ago, so why is this still here? It's pretty obvious that everyone wants her article to stay the way it is, so can we get rid of it now? Or is this still up for other reasons? -{{User|Moonshine}} | Whoa, I voted on this proposal? I wasn't going to bother voting because the outcome was so one sided at the time (it still is, haha). Anyway, The deadline passed some time ago, so why is this still here? It's pretty obvious that everyone wants her article to stay the way it is, so can we get rid of it now? Or is this still up for other reasons? -{{User|Moonshine}} | ||
:Yeah, I missed this one. Just like to note that Daisy ''has been'' referred to as Princess Daisy, in the ''Super Mario Land'' manual (p. 3: "[...] Now, he wants to marry Princess Daisy of Sarasaland [...] where Princess Daisy is held captive [...] and rescue Princess Daisy? [...]") {{user|Time Q}} | :Yeah, I missed this one. Just like to note that Daisy ''has been'' referred to as Princess Daisy, in the ''Super Mario Land'' manual (p. 3: "[...] Now, he wants to marry Princess Daisy of Sarasaland [...] where Princess Daisy is held captive [...] and rescue Princess Daisy? [...]") {{user|Time Q}} | ||
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===Super Mario Western Show=== | ===Super Mario Western Show=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-6|no western show content}} | |||
On YouTube it has become a phenomenon, simply by searching the title. I mean, it's Mario noteworthy I would think, if it's become popular -- I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion to share on this. | On YouTube it has become a phenomenon, simply by searching the title. I mean, it's Mario noteworthy I would think, if it's become popular -- I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion to share on this. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 3, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 3, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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:But they were published works, meaning they had to get licensing, etc.; there's a HUGE difference between that and YouTube. Also, we already had a proposal about Flash fan videos (a long time ago), like ''The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom'', which lost. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :But they were published works, meaning they had to get licensing, etc.; there's a HUGE difference between that and YouTube. Also, we already had a proposal about Flash fan videos (a long time ago), like ''The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom'', which lost. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Our definition of "fan-creations" are those which are created with no official connection to Nintendo whatsoever. Additionally, parodies, such as those on the Simpsons, are included on the Sightings pages. However, the comics, TV shows, movies, manga, anime, and even the coloring books were officially licensed by Nintendo, which means they are just as official as titles such as ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'', in which another company requested Nintendo's permission first rather than having Nintendo ask them. Mind you, I'm sure that at least one of the alternate media sources was created as a result of ''Nintendo'' approaching the company responsible, such as Valient or DiC. So, unless you're about to start calling a variety of video games, "fan-creations," you're going to want to know the difference between 1st Party, 2nd Party, 3rd Party, and fan-creations. Ah yes, speaking of: another "canon" source in which Nintendo didn't publish it was ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]''. If you remember, that one was overseen by Sigeru Miyamoto, so I don't think that publisher should be grounds for defining fan-creation either. {{User|Stumpers}} 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT) | ::Our definition of "fan-creations" are those which are created with no official connection to Nintendo whatsoever. Additionally, parodies, such as those on the Simpsons, are included on the Sightings pages. However, the comics, TV shows, movies, manga, anime, and even the coloring books were officially licensed by Nintendo, which means they are just as official as titles such as ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'', in which another company requested Nintendo's permission first rather than having Nintendo ask them. Mind you, I'm sure that at least one of the alternate media sources was created as a result of ''Nintendo'' approaching the company responsible, such as Valient or DiC. So, unless you're about to start calling a variety of video games, "fan-creations," you're going to want to know the difference between 1st Party, 2nd Party, 3rd Party, and fan-creations. Ah yes, speaking of: another "canon" source in which Nintendo didn't publish it was ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]''. If you remember, that one was overseen by Sigeru Miyamoto, so I don't think that publisher should be grounds for defining fan-creation either. {{User|Stumpers}} 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
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===Release date formatting=== | ===Release date formatting=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0-0|use country flags}} | |||
After a discussion on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Release_date_formatting|Main page talk]] lead to no decision, I thought I'd make a proposal about it. There are two ways of formatting for the release dates in games infoboxes I have in mind: | After a discussion on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Release_date_formatting|Main page talk]] lead to no decision, I thought I'd make a proposal about it. There are two ways of formatting for the release dates in games infoboxes I have in mind: | ||
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Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. | Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Cobold}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Cobold}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 6, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 6, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Use text form==== | |||
====Use country flags==== | |||
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#{{User|Cobold}} Looks nicer. | #{{User|Cobold}} Looks nicer. | ||
#{{User|Stumpers}} No worries about consistency, since images can be updated like a template and the whole Wiki would be affected. (USA Flag can apply to NA b/c there is no North American flag and Nintendo of America is based out of Washington, USA) | #{{User|Stumpers}} No worries about consistency, since images can be updated like a template and the whole Wiki would be affected. (USA Flag can apply to NA b/c there is no North American flag and Nintendo of America is based out of Washington, USA) | ||
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#{{user|Coincollector}} Per all, a pic tells more than 1000 words... | #{{user|Coincollector}} Per all, a pic tells more than 1000 words... | ||
==== Keep as is ==== | ====Keep as is==== | ||
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Hmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case){{User|Garlic Man}} | Hmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case){{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:Isn't the text form already what we have currently? - {{User|Cobold}} 15:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT) | :Isn't the text form already what we have currently? - {{User|Cobold}} 15:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
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Generally speaking, most gaming sites only list release information for North America, Japan, Europe and Australia. If we start listing every country under the sun, article pages are going to need collapsible release lists. -- {{user|Ghost Jam}} | Generally speaking, most gaming sites only list release information for North America, Japan, Europe and Australia. If we start listing every country under the sun, article pages are going to need collapsible release lists. -- {{user|Ghost Jam}} | ||
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===Mr.L=== | ===Mr.L=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-16|don't merge}} | |||
I know some people are gonna hate me for this but I propose we merge [[Mr. L]] and [[Luigi]]. I know he's an enemy In ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' but no were else. His page is a near copy of his section on Luigi's article, he only appears three times (once in Luigi's clothing), and finally, he ''is'' Luigi, only brainwashed. | I know some people are gonna hate me for this but I propose we merge [[Mr. L]] and [[Luigi]]. I know he's an enemy In ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' but no were else. His page is a near copy of his section on Luigi's article, he only appears three times (once in Luigi's clothing), and finally, he ''is'' Luigi, only brainwashed. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|tanokkitails}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|tanokkitails}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 7, 2008, 15:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 7, 2008, 15:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{user|tanokkitails}}-Above text | #{{user|tanokkitails}}-Above text | ||
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I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Dr. Mario article has information that is not in the Mario article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. {{User|White Knight}} | I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Dr. Mario article has information that is not in the Mario article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. {{User|White Knight}} | ||
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===Pokemon=== | ===Pokemon=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-4-1|merge palkia, dialga and cresselia into POKÉMON}} | |||
After a previous proposal of mine that was proposed to create the Raikou and Suicune article, I had taken a look at one of the user's votes and it said that they should be merged. Afterwards, I looked at Pokemon articles, and the ones I found where [[Palkia]], [[Dialga]], [[Cresselia]], and [[Entei]] (I am not sure if there is any left). While making a bigger appearance than a Pokemon in a [[Poke Ball]], it's quite best to have those four articles merged with the [[Pokemon]] article. As from what I'm seeing, Entei should stay, though, as he can be played on as a stage. So, shall we merge all four articles, merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia, or don't merge at all? | After a previous proposal of mine that was proposed to create the Raikou and Suicune article, I had taken a look at one of the user's votes and it said that they should be merged. Afterwards, I looked at Pokemon articles, and the ones I found where [[Palkia]], [[Dialga]], [[Cresselia]], and [[Entei]] (I am not sure if there is any left). While making a bigger appearance than a Pokemon in a [[Poke Ball]], it's quite best to have those four articles merged with the [[Pokemon]] article. As from what I'm seeing, Entei should stay, though, as he can be played on as a stage. So, shall we merge all four articles, merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia, or don't merge at all? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Palkia47}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Palkia47}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': September 10, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': September 10, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge All in Pokemon Article==== | ====Merge All in Pokemon Article==== | ||
#{{User|Shrikeswind}} - In all honesty, I don't like the idea of Pokemon taking up a butt-load of space on a wiki dedicated to the Super Mario franchise. In the cases of Ivysaur, Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, I say they should be split off due to their playability, but all other Pokemon just don't deserve a seperate page because they aren't all playable in a game alongside the Mario characters. Even playing ON Entei isn't worth a page dedicated to him. You might as well mention his stage on the Pokemon page, because it's such a miniscule amount of information to say "He appears as a stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee." | #{{User|Shrikeswind}} - In all honesty, I don't like the idea of Pokemon taking up a butt-load of space on a wiki dedicated to the Super Mario franchise. In the cases of Ivysaur, Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, I say they should be split off due to their playability, but all other Pokemon just don't deserve a seperate page because they aren't all playable in a game alongside the Mario characters. Even playing ON Entei isn't worth a page dedicated to him. You might as well mention his stage on the Pokemon page, because it's such a miniscule amount of information to say "He appears as a stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee." | ||
#{{User|The Dark Doggy 2}} - Per Shrikeswind, this is ''Mario'' Wiki not ''Nintendo'' Wiki. | #{{User|The Dark Doggy 2}} - Per Shrikeswind, this is ''Mario'' Wiki not ''Nintendo'' Wiki. | ||
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====Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia==== | ====Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia==== | ||
#{{User|Palkia47}} - Personally, this is what I see is best. My proposal, so per me. | #{{User|Palkia47}} - Personally, this is what I see is best. My proposal, so per me. | ||
#{{User|Pikax}} - Palkia, Dialga and Cresselia are all pokemon that make appearances on the Spear Pillar stage in SSBB. This sets them apart from all the other pokemon but not from each other, so this is the best option. | #{{User|Pikax}} - Palkia, Dialga and Cresselia are all pokemon that make appearances on the Spear Pillar stage in SSBB. This sets them apart from all the other pokemon but not from each other, so this is the best option. | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Once again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. {{User|Palkia47}} | Once again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
:Thanks, Time Q. {{User|Palkia47}} | :Thanks, Time Q. {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
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*All Poke Ball/Saffron City/Spear Pillar Pokemon should be merged, though. Stage-specific Pokemon could perhaps get descriptions in their stage articles though. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | *All Poke Ball/Saffron City/Spear Pillar Pokemon should be merged, though. Stage-specific Pokemon could perhaps get descriptions in their stage articles though. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | ||
::I agree with Booster. For the stage-specific Pokémon, what they do on the stages should be included in the stage's article; everything else should be in the [[Pokemon|main list of Pokémon]] only. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ::I agree with Booster. For the stage-specific Pokémon, what they do on the stages should be included in the stage's article; everything else should be in the [[Pokemon|main list of Pokémon]] only. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Poll Proposals=== | ===Poll Proposals=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-11|keep current proposal system}} | |||
Since the Voting software thingy is working I propose that to keep the Propasals more oganized and easier, we put the voting software thingy instead of using so much room with all that writing of disagree and agree. I mean it's just one click and your done and then you just leave a comment on the bottom. Good idea right? | Since the Voting software thingy is working I propose that to keep the Propasals more oganized and easier, we put the voting software thingy instead of using so much room with all that writing of disagree and agree. I mean it's just one click and your done and then you just leave a comment on the bottom. Good idea right? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|KingYoshi64}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|KingYoshi64}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 12, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 12, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Make Proposals Easier==== | ====Make Proposals Easier==== | ||
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===Waffle Kingdom Locations=== | ===Waffle Kingdom Locations=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-4-0|merge into new article}} | |||
Well, since the [[Waffle Kingdom]] is only spoken of in the [[Super Luigi Series]] novels briefly, do we really need an article for every location mentioned? It seems a bit useless to make an entire article on something we've never seen that also doesn't play a significant role in any of the games or other incarnations of the [[Mario series]]. So, it seems like a good idea to merge all of the locations with their own section on an article titled "Waffle Kingdom Locations" instead of a whole category. | Well, since the [[Waffle Kingdom]] is only spoken of in the [[Super Luigi Series]] novels briefly, do we really need an article for every location mentioned? It seems a bit useless to make an entire article on something we've never seen that also doesn't play a significant role in any of the games or other incarnations of the [[Mario series]]. So, it seems like a good idea to merge all of the locations with their own section on an article titled "Waffle Kingdom Locations" instead of a whole category. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 19, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 19, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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::Me thinks we should take the time to jot these things down some place. '''I''' didn't even know about this policy, I voted based on my trust of Stumpers. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}}20:51, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ::Me thinks we should take the time to jot these things down some place. '''I''' didn't even know about this policy, I voted based on my trust of Stumpers. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}}20:51, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Definitely. Glad to hear you trust me. Sometime in the last year a proposal outlined topics about unseen subjects - it came from articles such as that one about [[Old Man Skoo]] - stubs all the way because the character was just mentioned in passing. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | :::Definitely. Glad to hear you trust me. Sometime in the last year a proposal outlined topics about unseen subjects - it came from articles such as that one about [[Old Man Skoo]] - stubs all the way because the character was just mentioned in passing. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
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===Wiki Appearance: Light Red=== | ===Wiki Appearance: Light Red=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|14-24|don't use this skin}} | |||
Alright folks, I guess I did get a little too bold in giving you too many options on changing on something that has stayed constant for our 3+ years - our skin. Well, I took all things into consideration, including the Encyclopedia feedback section, and I think I came up with a winner. Hopefully. :P | Alright folks, I guess I did get a little too bold in giving you too many options on changing on something that has stayed constant for our 3+ years - our skin. Well, I took all things into consideration, including the Encyclopedia feedback section, and I think I came up with a winner. Hopefully. :P | ||
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikibanner.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikimainbg.png | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikibanner.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikimainbg.png | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wayoshi}}<br> | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | '''Deadline:''' September 26, 2008 20:00 EDT | ||
'''Deadline:''' 20:00 | |||
====Switch to This Skin==== | ====Switch to This Skin==== | ||
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#{{User|Phailure}} Don't listen to those n00bs, this is epic win. | #{{User|Phailure}} Don't listen to those n00bs, this is epic win. | ||
#{{User|Arend}} Not sure about the logo, but the back is good. It just FITS a Mariosite! why? It has 8-Bit Mario's and is red, the color Mario wears. | #{{User|Arend}} Not sure about the logo, but the back is good. It just FITS a Mariosite! why? It has 8-Bit Mario's and is red, the color Mario wears. | ||
#{{User|tanokki}} It looks a ''lot'' better especially the logo.{{ | #{{User|tanokki}} It looks a ''lot'' better especially the logo.{{fake link|SM64|PWNS}} Now, the color is a bit messy but that can be changed in seconds so overall It's good. | ||
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Awesome! But maybe tone down the background red a bit. | #{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Awesome! But maybe tone down the background red a bit. | ||
#{{user|shyguy27}} Per all. | #{{user|shyguy27}} Per all. | ||
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The striking is not funny. This page has no room for jokes; this is a serious issue. {{User|R.O.B 128}} | The striking is not funny. This page has no room for jokes; this is a serious issue. {{User|R.O.B 128}} | ||
:Getting back to the point – I do like Ghost Jam's idea. Is it possible that you could make something like, {{ | :Getting back to the point – I do like Ghost Jam's idea. Is it possible that you could make something like, {{fake link|MarioWiki:Skin 1}}, {{fake link|MarioWiki:Skin 2}}, etcetera; then you could add them to a MediaWiki page that could create a dropbox in each user's personal preferences? Ex: | ||
*Skin | *Skin | ||
**Default (Light Blue) | **Default (Light Blue) | ||
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For all those who liked this skin, go to [[User:Test/monobook.css]]. It is a shared account of Steve & mine for the obvious reasons, so don't go banning it for sockpuppetry or w/e. I will edit that file directly if I decide to retry. {{User|Wayoshi}} | For all those who liked this skin, go to [[User:Test/monobook.css]]. It is a shared account of Steve & mine for the obvious reasons, so don't go banning it for sockpuppetry or w/e. I will edit that file directly if I decide to retry. {{User|Wayoshi}} | ||
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===''Smash Bros.'' Moves=== | ===''Smash Bros.'' Moves=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|19-2|merge special moves}} | |||
In light of recent applications of our [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy|importance policy]], many users would like to see minor ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' subjects merged. One such suggestion has been to merge the special moves with the characters’ pages. For example, [[Hand Grenade]], [[Remote Controlled Missile]], [[Cypher]], [[C4]], and [[Grenade Launcher]] would be merged with [[Solid Snake]]. | In light of recent applications of our [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy|importance policy]], many users would like to see minor ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' subjects merged. One such suggestion has been to merge the special moves with the characters’ pages. For example, [[Hand Grenade]], [[Remote Controlled Missile]], [[Cypher]], [[C4]], and [[Grenade Launcher]] would be merged with [[Solid Snake]]. | ||
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If you would like an example of how this would look, please see [[User:Stumpers/Test|here]]. Please note how the image templates and stub templates carried over. Trophy information when applicable has now been moved down to the larger trophy information section. The only real change is that images have been made smaller. For the purpose of example, I have including the SSB Moves template at the bottom of the section. Unless people really want it to be there, when/if I merge the moves, I will not be including the template. Let me know. | If you would like an example of how this would look, please see [[User:Stumpers/Test|here]]. Please note how the image templates and stub templates carried over. Trophy information when applicable has now been moved down to the larger trophy information section. The only real change is that images have been made smaller. For the purpose of example, I have including the SSB Moves template at the bottom of the section. Unless people really want it to be there, when/if I merge the moves, I will not be including the template. Let me know. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 2, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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Booster: It does also apply to Mario characters. {{User|Stumpers}} 23:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | Booster: It does also apply to Mario characters. {{User|Stumpers}} 23:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:About your first comment, you could just use {{tem| | :About your first comment, you could just use {{tem|quote2}} {{User|Stooben Rooben}} 23:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
Well, this what I've actually wanted (and some others) and this will definately prevent vandalism. Srsly, we would have to patrol 195 articles if there isn't a merge. Plus, I think somebody went a little too far when they put that Diddy Kong can perform "Diddycide". That's a technique that is only meant to be on Smash Wiki. Are you going to merge the moves for the Mario series characters too, Stumpers? {{User|R.O.B 128}} | Well, this what I've actually wanted (and some others) and this will definately prevent vandalism. Srsly, we would have to patrol 195 articles if there isn't a merge. Plus, I think somebody went a little too far when they put that Diddy Kong can perform "Diddycide". That's a technique that is only meant to be on Smash Wiki. Are you going to merge the moves for the Mario series characters too, Stumpers? {{User|R.O.B 128}} | ||
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Well, it pretty much looks like the merge is gonna happen. :P If it's that big a deal, it's fine with me. {{User|Phailure}} | Well, it pretty much looks like the merge is gonna happen. :P If it's that big a deal, it's fine with me. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
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===''New Super Mario Bros.'' Level Articles=== | ===''New Super Mario Bros.'' Level Articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-11|merge ''nsmb'' levels into world articles}} | |||
Looking through the site, I noticed we have some articles on each level of ''[[New Super Mario Bros.]]''. I'm not exactly sure why. The levels of ''Super Mario Bros'', ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', ''The Lost Levels'', etcetera, are all merged with their respective world article. (Ex: World 1-1 (SMB) is non-existent because it is already in [[World 1 (SMB)]]). So here's my proposal: merge the NSMB level articles with their respective world articles, just as we have done with the aforementioned articles. While many NSMB level articles have yet to be created, some look like [[World 2-4 (NSMB)|this]] or [[World 2-Castle (NSMB)|this]]. Please take [[User:Stooben Rooben/Proposal Example|this]] as a rough example of what the world articles would look like merged. | Looking through the site, I noticed we have some articles on each level of ''[[New Super Mario Bros.]]''. I'm not exactly sure why. The levels of ''Super Mario Bros'', ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', ''The Lost Levels'', etcetera, are all merged with their respective world article. (Ex: World 1-1 (SMB) is non-existent because it is already in [[World 1 (SMB)]]). So here's my proposal: merge the NSMB level articles with their respective world articles, just as we have done with the aforementioned articles. While many NSMB level articles have yet to be created, some look like [[World 2-4 (NSMB)|this]] or [[World 2-Castle (NSMB)|this]]. Please take [[User:Stooben Rooben/Proposal Example|this]] as a rough example of what the world articles would look like merged. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': October 4, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge==== | ====Merge==== | ||
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::Yes, I understand. The same can be said for world articles as well. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::Yes, I understand. The same can be said for world articles as well. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:::Hence why I never said "this is the right way to do it". I just found it the best way '''to me'''. This proposal is past its extended deadline with a three vote difference. Close? {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | :::Hence why I never said "this is the right way to do it". I just found it the best way '''to me'''. This proposal is past its extended deadline with a three vote difference. Close? {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
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===Trouble Center=== | ===Trouble Center=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|23-2|remove}} | |||
*Too sporadically used: basically on average once a month | *Too sporadically used: basically on average once a month | ||
*Most of the uses are incorrect – user or syntax related instead of articles | *Most of the uses are incorrect – user or syntax related instead of articles | ||
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*Users usually ask directly on user talk and get a faster solution that way, because watchlist notification < user talk notification | *Users usually ask directly on user talk and get a faster solution that way, because watchlist notification < user talk notification | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
==== Put it to Rest ==== | ==== Put it to Rest ==== | ||
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#{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Per St00by. Holy crap I also agree with Wayoshi :O (for the first time :O) | #{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Per St00by. Holy crap I also agree with Wayoshi :O (for the first time :O) | ||
#{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per all. It hasn't been used in months. | #{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per all. It hasn't been used in months. | ||
#{{user|Time Q}}: Per Wayo. We've [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 1#Trouble Center|had this before]], and decided to try a comeback. There was no comeback, so I think it's finally time to bury it. | #{{user|Time Q}}: Per Wayo. We've [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/1#Trouble Center|had this before]], and decided to try a comeback. There was no comeback, so I think it's finally time to bury it. | ||
#{{User|Palkia47}} - Its useless. As already stated, its hardly used anymore; and when any user puts a question up; it's hardly answered. | #{{User|Palkia47}} - Its useless. As already stated, its hardly used anymore; and when any user puts a question up; it's hardly answered. | ||
#{{user|Phailure}} Per all, it definetly is easier to use user talk. | #{{user|Phailure}} Per all, it definetly is easier to use user talk. | ||
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FINALLY, someone sees the light. I've been cleaning out Troubles every now and again for months....anyway, I'm all for going back to how it was BEFORE the Trouble Center. That is, each person is given a challenge list with challenges set by other users. It gave a person more of an incentive to help, as it was like a game. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | FINALLY, someone sees the light. I've been cleaning out Troubles every now and again for months....anyway, I'm all for going back to how it was BEFORE the Trouble Center. That is, each person is given a challenge list with challenges set by other users. It gave a person more of an incentive to help, as it was like a game. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | ||
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===Merge Goomba with bellhop goomba=== | ===Merge Goomba with bellhop goomba=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-14|keep separate}} | |||
I feel we should merge bellhop goombas with regular goombas Because they are just goombas in bellhop suits also They are the same thing just differnt looks. | I feel we should merge bellhop goombas with regular goombas Because they are just goombas in bellhop suits also They are the same thing just differnt looks. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Merge==== | ====Merge==== | ||
#{{user|Iggykoopa}} Per what i said. | #{{user|Iggykoopa}} Per what i said. | ||
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:Ah. I thought you were referring to Bellhop Goombas. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | :Ah. I thought you were referring to Bellhop Goombas. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
::No. :D {{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} | ::No. :D {{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} | ||
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===Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.=== | ===Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-7|keep merged}} | |||
I feel we sould unmerge goombas and pumpkin head goombas because they are differnt from regular goombas For two reasons first they look differnt and they are stronger and second on the whole if you star spin them they become regular goombas that is true but think of this if you hit a winged goomba it becomes a regular goomba but do we merge it with regular goombas no. | I feel we sould unmerge goombas and pumpkin head goombas because they are differnt from regular goombas For two reasons first they look differnt and they are stronger and second on the whole if you star spin them they become regular goombas that is true but think of this if you hit a winged goomba it becomes a regular goomba but do we merge it with regular goombas no. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 12, 2008, 15:00 | '''Deadline''': October 12, 2008, 15:00 EDT | ||
====Unmerge==== | ====Unmerge==== | ||
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1337, do you mean [[Astro Goomba|These]] helmeted goombas ? {{User|Bob-omb buddy}} | 1337, do you mean [[Astro Goomba|These]] helmeted goombas ? {{User|Bob-omb buddy}} | ||
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=== Goombas === | === Goombas === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|split goomba and goomba (smw)}} | |||
I say we should split the Goomba article into two articles: Goomba and Goomba (SMW). The SMW Goombas appeared in more than one game (Seriously, I've seen round ones in Super Mario Galaxy), they have differend Japanese names and they look different, unlike the Bellhop Goomba proposal (see below) and I hope this is not like Arend's disaster Rosalina proposal. | I say we should split the Goomba article into two articles: Goomba and Goomba (SMW). The SMW Goombas appeared in more than one game (Seriously, I've seen round ones in Super Mario Galaxy), they have differend Japanese names and they look different, unlike the Bellhop Goomba proposal (see below) and I hope this is not like Arend's disaster Rosalina proposal. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshikart}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshikart}} <br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
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{{User|iggykoopa}} you should call them Kuribon! | {{User|iggykoopa}} you should call them Kuribon! | ||
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=== Userbox Page === | === Userbox Page === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-8-0|trim down userbox page}} | |||
Recently, I stopped by the userbox page and found it to be absolutly unacceptable. Users add new userboxes at will, and often don't care for things such as, I dunno, GRAMMAR? So, I'm prposing that we lock up the Userbox page or at least trim it down. If you want to make a new userbox so badly, don't place it on the main page. | Recently, I stopped by the userbox page and found it to be absolutly unacceptable. Users add new userboxes at will, and often don't care for things such as, I dunno, GRAMMAR? So, I'm prposing that we lock up the Userbox page or at least trim it down. If you want to make a new userbox so badly, don't place it on the main page. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Phailure}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Phailure}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
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#{{User|Phailure}} Per what I said. | #{{User|Phailure}} Per what I said. | ||
#{{user|tanokki}} -Both sides have a good point we should have criteria for userboxes {ie:This user likes luigi. '''OK'''. This user is friends with [insert username here]. '''NO'''} It shouldn't be that hard delete some keep others and we really need to trim down the userbox section other [I had to remove my own cose the page had trouble loading]. | #{{user|tanokki}} -Both sides have a good point we should have criteria for userboxes {ie:This user likes luigi. '''OK'''. This user is friends with [insert username here]. '''NO'''} It shouldn't be that hard delete some keep others and we really need to trim down the userbox section other [I had to remove my own cose the page had trouble loading]. | ||
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - That page has been chaotic for quite a few months now. Many of the userboxes on there aren't needed, as they are simply edited from other similar userboxes. Also, the "This user is friends with __" have absolutely no reason to be on there; these userboxes, if created, should be created only for users to give to their friends. (Just like I used to do.) The page takes ridiculously long to load due to the mass amounts of images and coding on it as well. It's a '''MarioWiki''' page, not a '''User''' page. It's a fine page for referring to how to make basic userboxes, (ex: This user is an advanced gamer), etcetera. These userboxes that say, "this user's favorite character is Mametchi/Luigi/Francis/whatever" are entirely unnecessary – there only needs to be one userbox for that "genre" of userboxes – '''This user's favorite character is ___'''. The userbox can be edited from there to the user's liking. Take my userbox tower for example: Most of the userboxes on there were created/edited by me, but I don't recall ever putting them in the [[MarioWiki: | #{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - That page has been chaotic for quite a few months now. Many of the userboxes on there aren't needed, as they are simply edited from other similar userboxes. Also, the "This user is friends with __" have absolutely no reason to be on there; these userboxes, if created, should be created only for users to give to their friends. (Just like I used to do.) The page takes ridiculously long to load due to the mass amounts of images and coding on it as well. It's a '''MarioWiki''' page, not a '''User''' page. It's a fine page for referring to how to make basic userboxes, (ex: This user is an advanced gamer), etcetera. These userboxes that say, "this user's favorite character is Mametchi/Luigi/Francis/whatever" are entirely unnecessary – there only needs to be one userbox for that "genre" of userboxes – '''This user's favorite character is ___'''. The userbox can be edited from there to the user's liking. Take my userbox tower for example: Most of the userboxes on there were created/edited by me, but I don't recall ever putting them in the [[MarioWiki:Userboxeses|userbox]] page. | ||
#{{User|Phoenix Rider}} - This is definitely something that needs to be done. As Stooben said, '''one''' genre of userboxes that can be customized to the user's liking. Specific, one person/object/etc. userboxes should not be put of there. | #{{User|Phoenix Rider}} - This is definitely something that needs to be done. As Stooben said, '''one''' genre of userboxes that can be customized to the user's liking. Specific, one person/object/etc. userboxes should not be put of there. | ||
#{{User|Blitzwing}} - Per Stooben. Took the words right out of my mouth. | #{{User|Blitzwing}} - Per Stooben. Took the words right out of my mouth. | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Okay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. {{User|Phailure}} | Okay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
:Rather than locking the page, what about just eliminating all of the excess userboxes? Take [[MarioWiki: | :Rather than locking the page, what about just eliminating all of the excess userboxes? Take [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Characters|this]], [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Specific Games (A-Z)|this]], and [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Other|this]] for examples: they could easily be trimmed down to basic userboxes that could be edited to a user's liking. Also, if there was a "Trim Down" option on this proposal, I'd vote for it. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
::Same here. The Sysops have enough things to do without having to worry about something as frivolous as Userboxes. Simply let the Users who care about Userboxes keep them tidy, and be done with it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ::Same here. The Sysops have enough things to do without having to worry about something as frivolous as Userboxes. Simply let the Users who care about Userboxes keep them tidy, and be done with it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
:::But that's the whole point. The page '''isn't''' kept tidy. It overloads the bandwidth with all the pictures and code, and most are used by maybe one or two people: the people that made them and decided to stick them on there. I have plenty of userboxes that I created myself without needing to put it on the Userbox page. {{User|Phoenix Rider}} | :::But that's the whole point. The page '''isn't''' kept tidy. It overloads the bandwidth with all the pictures and code, and most are used by maybe one or two people: the people that made them and decided to stick them on there. I have plenty of userboxes that I created myself without needing to put it on the Userbox page. {{User|Phoenix Rider}} | ||
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:::Yeah, that was my mistake, I wasn't really thinking about the votes needing to be recounted. {{User|Phailure}} | :::Yeah, that was my mistake, I wasn't really thinking about the votes needing to be recounted. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
::::Um, this passed three days ago. Why is nobody archiving it? {{User|Palkia47}} | ::::Um, this passed three days ago. Why is nobody archiving it? {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
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Species from Adventure Mode In Meleemerge 8-0 Proposer: Garlic Man (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsIf this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? Palkia47 (talk) I agree with this proposal, but i tihnk we should also get rid of minor stage-hazard like Tingle or Ultimate chimera (Or whatever the heck it's spell) Blitzwing (talk)
Trophy Locationsfailed to reach consensus 3-3 Proposer: Luigi001 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsTanukkitails: I'm saying to put that they're found randomly on stages, or the SSE, or etc. I'm not saying put "this trophy can be found on......" I mean to say is to put "trophy is SSE" or "Found in coin launcher" and etc. Luigi001 (talk)
- Considering that most of them are random when found in the SSE mode, without set locations, this seems a bit pointless, but I suppose you could write on the page a paragraph explaining this randomness issue, but with the ones that have set ways of being obtained - their means can definitely be added. Dom (talk)
I used to be against this but he convinced me. Let me clarify. I do think a few make good points for opposing, I still think this proposal is worth a shot. I don't want to make this a guide, but what I mean is note somewhere on the page that most trophies are found at random, but also put what challenge to complete if a trophy is unlocked via one. And I have no idea how the matter of stickers came up, because, while from the same game, are mainly unrealated. Basically, I'm saying put what challenge to complete to get a trophy, and for the others just note somewhere on the page that they are found at random. Luigi001 (talk) Removal/Merging of non-Mario articleskeep articles the way they are 5-13 Proposer: Garlic Man (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsHow will you decide to merge or remove the articles? I'd just split the support sections into "Remove" or "Merge". Cuz I really don't want those articles removed. :\ InfectedShroom (talk) Problem here: an article about Sonic is about the character, not the series. Same with Snake. The article is about the fictional individual rather than the series behind him. Also, that's going to create a monster of an article for characters like Samus, and how do you propose that we decide whether to deposit the Legend of Zelda series on Link, Zelda, or Ganon? The entire Pokemon series on the Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Mewtwo, or Lucario articles? Here's a solution to that problem: series pages. We could create a page for each series that has crossed over. There could be a short blurb up top regarding when the series crossed over, and then the article would have all the content from that series that crossed over, with each character, item, etc. getting its own section. Any subject, such as a playable Super Smash Bros. character, could get a short blurb as well, with a "main article" link to their larger article. Stumpers (talk) 15:01, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Stumpers: I wasn't talking about the biggies (Sonic, who was in Olympic games and Brawl), but rather those characters who don't even really show up, but rather just make codec calls from somewhere, and have nothing to do with anything. Sonic and Snake and Samus and all those people can still have own articles; just not "Otacon", and those others. Garlic Man (talk)
Should I make a proposal for merging into series lists? Stumpers (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT) I have a feeling a bunch of people misunderstood my proposal; oh well. Anyway, could we at least merge Colonel Roy Campbell, Mei Ling, Otacon, Slippy Toad, Peppy Hare, Krystal and Navi into List of Cameos? Garlic Man (talk)
I don't like the series page idea. As Ghost Jam said, it could be used to shoeorn in unrelated series. And beside, do we really need to have a page on Metal Gear because Snake happened to be in the same game as Mario? i think something among the line of "List of minor Crossover characters in Super Smash Bros" would work better. Blitzwing (talk)
I'd just like to say now that I object to WikiMario's vote. Yes, we are a Super Mario Wiki, not a Super Smash Bros. Wiki, but the reason we have Super Smash Bros. articles is because Mario plays a significant role in the series and even some of the minor characters from other series (such as Otacon and Slippy Toad) still have certain roles that cannot be overlooked. Pikax (talk) So let me get this straight before I vote. Stumpers, your idea is to merge articles based on the series they come from? Such as merging Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and other Pokemon themed things into one big article? I would be in for that. I see nothing wrong with unimportant Sonic articles or other Nintendo Series into one thing for each series. So like all the Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games characters and refs like Vector, knuckles, Cream and all the others would merge into one big Sonic page? Moonshine (talk)
Alright. I see what your saying now. I like the idea. Sonic referees are indeed very minor, so yeah, those should merge. Same with Pokeball Pokemon. What about stages from brawl that come from minor franchises like Hannebow(sp?), Pictochat, and other like that? Moonshine (talk)
E.T. Templatesuse alien template 9-6 Proposer: Walkazo (talk) Use Alien Template
Use Cosmic Species Template
CommentsI've only included options for one or the other now, as we can't have two templates about the same thing. Another idea I had was to limit Cosmic Species to Super Paper Mario extraterrestrial enemies, as then we might be able to include variations of the species that are found in other dimensions, but I felt this would confuse the issue a bit too much. - Walkazo (talk)
like i said in my vote aliens can refer to anything not from the same place as such Beanish are aliens to Toads Hemu (talk)
So is this a proposal about which template we should use or what we should call the template? Pikax (talk)
I think the main thing that's got everyone so hung up is that the Cosmic Species template's header doesn't match. It does make it abundantly clear that we are referring to creatures from space. Whether it's official or not has no bearing on the outcome. It's about clarity. Phoenix Rider (talk)
Mario Super Sluggers Cutscenesmerge into main article 11-4 I'd also like to address the length matter. Number one: Does it really matter about how long the article is? Look at the SSBB article's story (or the Subspace Emissary in it's case.) It's extremely long, but no one is complaining about it. And second of all, I don't mean to put every single bit of information from the page in the actual article. All we need is the major details, because, like Moonshine said, we don't need to know who threw what to who. And as for the pictures, I say we use the best ones and put it right next to the story section, or, if we still want the pictures, make a gallery at the page's bottom that has them in it, and call it Challenge mode screenshots or the like. Proposer: Luigi001 (talk) Merge into main article
Keep Article
CommentsThat's not entirely true Infected Shroom. Notice how on the SMG page there is a nice little paragraph about each cutscene. It doesn't have all that who is involved or the picture galleries. I mean, do we really need those? All we need are little paragraphs on the cutcenes, not an entire article. If we have the article, we may as well make one for every game with cutscenes. Luigi001 (talk)
All in all, I think that the Cutscenes page is essentially just the story of MSS, which the MSS page is missing. The story, especially in this case, is far more important that what's on the MSS page now. Why do we have an in depth explanation of Toy Field but no story? The page really needs to get it's priorities in order. It's not hard to cut down the cutscenes page. Simply merge it with the MSS page, give it it's own section entitled "story" and it's done. There's no need for each scene to have an infobox, and there's no need for 10 pics per scene either. You could put like 1 or 2 pics in the section, and get rid of the rest. Also, most of the info is unneeded and over-descriptive. We don't need to put 'who Mario threw the ball too in the intro' and things like that. If we do this then the MSS page won't be THAT long. But if we were to merge it the way it is now, I agree that it would be too long. Moonshine (talk) OK, to the opposers: IT'S AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE STORY OF A GAME! We may as well call it: Story (Mario Super Sluggers). And who really cares if it make the article too long? No one's complaining about the length of the SSBB or Mario articles! I mean seriously! Even if we put every last bit of information from the article in the MSS article, it would barely be half the size of either of the two mentioned articles! And what's so bad about taking long? There's no time limit to how long an approved proposal must take to complete it! All you have to do is copy & paste, then edit it to fit in the MSS article! Do you get my point, opposers? Luigi001 (talk)
I've looked at the reasons for people opposing and it may just be my way of thinking, but I don't think any of them are actually good reasons. Pikax (talk)
Why I object to the objections: Arend tanokkitails Merit C ForeverDaisy09 Let me know if you disagree with anything I've said. Pikax (talk) Oh, what the heck. I don't even care about this proposal. I withdraw. InfectedShroom (talk)
Princess?keep "rosalina" 10-26 Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. Now we found proof, I think we can move the page. But before doing anything, users must agree with this. What shall we do? Proposer: Arend (talk) Change to Princess Rosalina
Keep Rosalina
CommentsI'm leaning toward opposing, since "Princess Rosalina" is not her official title. But I'd like to hear a few more opinions, considering she is a princess. InfectedShroom (talk)
Wow, after I placed my oppose, there was a rush of opposes following mine... I feel Special. :P Anyway, I do also agree with AgentCH, because if it's not in-game or in-manual, then it's probably not our most reliable source. We may as well move Mario to Plumber Mario (hey, a red link!). Garlic Man (talk) The term princess could be just a "nick name" and not a true title. The "princess that wonders the stars" Princess could be saying that she is a legondary person. Or maybe just because she is beautiful (I never said that. I've just heard people say she is ;) ). I think that it is just a play on words. MC Hammer Bro. (talk)
Bio where? Page what? The proposal fails to cite its references. The question in the comments wasn't answered. Enough reason to oppose. - Cobold (talk) 16:43, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Considering more often than not, Peach is referred to as Princess Peach on official sites, and Daisy is just called Daisy, I don't think Rosalina should be called Princess here. Think about it on a leveled set of the terms use.ForeverDaisy09 (talk) I would just like to state if you oppose her being Princess Rosalina, you don't deserve to be a Mario fan.The.Real.Izkat (talk)
IF YOU DONT THINK BOWSER TRUE NAME IS "GREAT DEMON KING", YOURE NOT A TRUE FAN
IF YOU DONT THINK LUGI IS IN SM64 YOURE NOT A TRUE FAN I would just like to state that if you use the same broken way of thinking as The.Real.Izkat, You're a, true, moron. --Blitzwing 16:41, 24 August 2008 (EDT) I would like to note that in the story book thing she reads to thhe lumas there's a castle in the background this is probably a conicedince and if not she's still only called rosilina in the game.tanokkitails. Bowser is a King. He calls himself a king in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga, when he regains his memory. As is Rosalina. Totally a princess, (hot one too)
:P she is Princess Rosalina end of story, it should be her proper title and the article name, even if she isn't called Princess it is her proper and official title, end.of.story The.Real.Izkat (talk) Hey - so should we put "Princess" in the infobox or not? Stumpers (talk) 16:20, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
I'm not voting, but if neither the game or manual calls her "Princess Rosalina", we shouldn't call the article that. We can say in the article, "according to her bio from whatever, she is a princess. This is not confirmed in the game or manual." CrystalYoshi (talk) Luigiweege:If she hasn't been called Princess Roasalia in any of the just let the page be called Rosalia until further notice.
Okay, I was reading through, but I kinda lost the thing. However, Daisy has been referred to as the Princess of Sarasaland on various official occasions, such as her in-game bios. I find that, while she's rarely if ever referred to as Princess Daisy, calling her Princess Daisy isn't exactly as big of a stretch as it would be with Rosalina, because Rosalina, as it stands, is being debated on shaky information. ~ Shrikeswind Whoa, I voted on this proposal? I wasn't going to bother voting because the outcome was so one sided at the time (it still is, haha). Anyway, The deadline passed some time ago, so why is this still here? It's pretty obvious that everyone wants her article to stay the way it is, so can we get rid of it now? Or is this still up for other reasons? -Moonshine (talk)
Super Mario Western Showno western show content 0-6 Proposer: Crystal Batamon (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsWalkazo: If you think about it, the Mario Bros. Comics, TV shows, Movies, w/e, are all "fan-creations", mind you. :\ Garlic Man (talk)
Release date formattinguse country flags 9-0-0
or
Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. Proposer: Cobold (talk) Use text formUse country flags
Keep as isCommentsHmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case)Garlic Man (talk)
Tucayo, what flag should we use for Latin America? - Cobold (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2008 (EDT) Mexico is sometimes considered North America. And why isn't canadian flag used in North America release date? It could imply that we are racist towards Canada, and we don't want that.Clay Mario (talk)
Generally speaking, most gaming sites only list release information for North America, Japan, Europe and Australia. If we start listing every country under the sun, article pages are going to need collapsible release lists. -- Ghost Jam (talk) Mr.Ldon't merge 4-16 Proposer: tanokkitails (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsThe ironic thing is, after a little while the Mr. L page was deleted(due to a sysop's decision), I brought it back, and now there's more talk about it being merged/deleted. Kinda funny, lol. I'm not going to vote, just because I know who's gonna win, but Per Stumpers. Garlic Man (talk)
Sorry about the hate thing I just a little shook up from a similar proposal on wikipedia were at least 25 users upossed and called me s**tfacetanokkitails Also I'd like to note that In the first sentence It says he's luigi so since this proposal won't pass we should probably change that.tanokkitails
Stumpers: Just like to point out, just because we merge one set of characters doesn't mean we automatically need to merge a different set. There is such a thing as 'circumstance'. -- Ghost Jam (talk)
Just like to say that the first sentence of his article says he's luigi,so I should probably change that tanokkitails (talk) I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Dr. Mario article has information that is not in the Mario article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. White Knight (talk) Pokemonmerge palkia, dialga and cresselia into POKÉMON 7-4-1 Proposer: Palkia47 (talk) Merge All in Pokemon Article
Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia
Keep Split
CommentsOnce again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. Palkia47 (talk) Not sure where to vote on this exactly, but here's where I stand:
Poll Proposalskeep current proposal system 0-11 Proposer: KingYoshi64 (talk) Make Proposals EasierLeave it
CommentsWaffle Kingdom Locationsmerge into new article 9-4-0 Proposer: Crystal Batamon (talk) Support
OpposeAdd to list of implied..
CommentsYou might want to vote for your own proposal, Crystal Batamon. Time Q (talk) It was also mentioned by Luigi in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. Sonic64 (talk) Actually, current Wiki policy states that any character, organization, location, entertainment, etc. that does not physically appear should be merged with one of the "List of Implied ___s" page. For example, the Waffle Kingdom would be on "List of Implied Locations." So, if you just want the articles to be merged into that, please remove your proposal. If you feel it would be more applicable to create a separate article for the Waffle Kingdom locations because they are more fleshed out than other Implied Locations, keep your proposal here. Stumpers (talk) Oh I didn't know that Stumpers, my bad. Fantastic Mr. L (talk)
Wiki Appearance: Light Reddon't use this skin 14-24
Proposer: Wayoshi (talk) Switch to This Skin
Keep with the White
CommentsI'm aware Mario's eyes are covered by the A & R. I could put all the text at the top and Mario at the bottom, if everyone else prefers such, but I like the hidden effect. Wayoshi (talk) 22:40, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
That screenshot looks exactly the same as our skin but with a different logo. :| I personally don't like that logo either, Mario should be semi-transparent not black and white. Uniju :D (talk) Ok, technically, I don't like this text and the logo at all (the one seen above in the Proposal), but, while looking through, I thought of a logo... yet, I doubt it'd work. Palkia47 (talk) My brother made an other logo. It has 9 Mario games on the background. 3 Mario 2D games, 3 Mario 3D games and 3 Mario Spin-offs. What do you think. Arend (talk) That look better than the logo that Wayo made. (No offence.) It pwnz!! Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) I think I will soon see that Mario mini logo IN MY NIGHTMARES. Arend's logo is pretty decent, although Mario looks kinda funky. --Blitzwing 11:10, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
I have to agree that arend's brother's logo is far better than the one we have, and I still think a slight change in the skin colors could help. And if that doesn't work, things like (very) faded background images for the content and such would be cool. Uniju :D (talk)
I like Arend's brother's logo, though I think it would look better if the red faded to yellow (instead of pink) for the lettering - Walkazo (talk)
Maybe if there were a possibility of using either of the two skins, I might have supported this proposal. Pikax (talk) This is absolutely bias. There is seriously no point of letting users decide. Anyway, if it was agreed with people with the power to do this like Sysops, wouldn't they change it back if they had complaints. Personally, I perfer the red, but w/e.Purple Yoshi (talk)
Hey Wayo if you like that colour background so much use it on your page! Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
I like both of you guys' ideas, but seeing all of the opposing votes, we might as well start asking Wayo to give us the code. R.O.B 128 (talk)
I don't have the requirements necessary to accomplish your task, but the contest would be an awesome choice. Y'know, they don't have this kinda stuff on Bulbapedia; this wiki is much better. R.O.B 128 (talk)
Regarding logos, anyone think that a Mushroom would fit nicely? I'm no graphics artist, so I wouldn't be able to actually desgin one though. Many wikis often use a roundish logo to compliment Wikipedia, and a Mushroom only seems fitting. -- Booster
I think we're missing the point of a new logo or skin here: we want to be presentable to the users who aren't going to be hardcore and making their own skin for a minor specialty Wiki like ours (which is going to be a good 98%). I think the consensus is that our current skin is a good way to do that, but there's a lot more discord surrounding the logo, as you know. Our logo becomes a Wiki's "face" (at least according to the fan Wiki buffs over at Wikia). Therefore, it's very important that we agree on that. For example, we all think of one box art image when I say "Super Mario Galaxy." Even if a gamer was to make his own box art and insert it into the box on his personal shelf, that would not change the fact that the world thinks of the official SMG box art when they think SMG. The current logo has been in place for years - perhaps it is time to see if it can't hold up to the work of some of the new image buffs we've gained since it was first made. Stumpers (talk)
This might have been covered already (haven't sifted through all the comments yet, sorry), but, Wayoshi, is it possible to just add these layouts as default skin options, premade monobooks I guess? -- Ghost Jam (talk)
That a good idea R.O.B so the users who like Wayo design should get the code. That will maybe keep them happy The striking is not funny. This page has no room for jokes; this is a serious issue. R.O.B 128 (talk)
No offence, Wayoshi, but I prefer the wiki the way it is. Your idea is okay, but too red. Arend's wiki logo looks good as well, but just keep to the current wiki logo, okay. P.s. If any of you would like to help me on the list of ways to die on SMG, I'm letting you type your suggestions at the bottom of my userpage,okay. Frostyfireyoshi (talk) Holy bananas, I never expected 38 votes. Thank you, all, for at least putting in your opinion on the issue. It is unfortunate that I am seemingly the only one that knows how to make an effective skin change – otherwise, we can extend the proposed "logo contest" to something more. The whole idea was to change as little as possible from the main skin, while still giving it a small "Mario" red touch...I think even though technically I was very close to the original colors, I was way farther than I thought. I'll wait to see what we do about the logo, see if more people decide a slight change would be good, then perhaps try revising again. For all those who liked this skin, go to User:Test/monobook.css. It is a shared account of Steve & mine for the obvious reasons, so don't go banning it for sockpuppetry or w/e. I will edit that file directly if I decide to retry. Wayoshi (talk) Smash Bros. Movesmerge special moves 19-2 This merge would decrease the emphasis placed Smash Bros. while still retaining all Super Smash Bros. content. If this proposal passes, the following assurances are granted (1) ALL content from a special move page must be transferred to its respective character page BEFORE the special move page is blanked. This includes pictures. (2) ALL special move pages affected will become redirects to their appropriate section in their characters' articles. In other words, you will still be able to easily look up each special move. It will simply no longer have its own page. (3) The Super Smash Bros. Special Moves page will still be in place. If you would like an example of how this would look, please see here. Please note how the image templates and stub templates carried over. Trophy information when applicable has now been moved down to the larger trophy information section. The only real change is that images have been made smaller. For the purpose of example, I have including the SSB Moves template at the bottom of the section. Unless people really want it to be there, when/if I merge the moves, I will not be including the template. Let me know. Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentJust a question to those responsible for the random quote generator: many Final Smash articles include quotes from Masahiro Sakurai. Will we need to remove these in the event that the character page has a quote at the top? Alternatively, we could merge quotes into the actual text, like so: In his Super Smash Bros. Dojo! entry for Peach Blossom, Masahiro comments, "[insert quote here]." Stumpers (talk) Booster: It does also apply to Mario characters. Stumpers (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, this what I've actually wanted (and some others) and this will definately prevent vandalism. Srsly, we would have to patrol 195 articles if there isn't a merge. Plus, I think somebody went a little too far when they put that Diddy Kong can perform "Diddycide". That's a technique that is only meant to be on Smash Wiki. Are you going to merge the moves for the Mario series characters too, Stumpers? R.O.B 128 (talk)
M&SG: Please do not act upon a proposal until it has passed. Did you make sure that all text and images were transferred over? Stumpers (talk) Well, it pretty much looks like the merge is gonna happen. :P If it's that big a deal, it's fine with me. Phailure (talk) New Super Mario Bros. Level Articlesmerge nsmb levels into world articles 14-11 Proposer: Stooben Rooben (talk) Merge
Keep Separate
CommentsTime Q: I do see your point, and I actually expected someone to point this out. The reason why I didn't propose that SMW levels get merged, is because they do consist of more that solely numbers. Ex: SMB, SMB2, SMB3, TLL, YI, YIDS, NSMB, SPP, and probably a few others each have levels titled "World 1-1", or "World 2-1", etcetera. SMW does actually name their levels, albeit some of the names are less "wordy" than others. But, SMW has levels with titles like "Awesome", "Gnarly", and even "Yoshi's Island 2". While the all games have official level names (even if they are just a sequence of numbers), SMW is the only one to give their levels more original names. If we were to separate every "World 1-1", "World 1-2", "World 1-3", and so on into their own articles, we would have at least 32 disambiguation pages with the aforementioned titles. So, in this aspect, I find merging the NSMB level articles to their respective world articles makes navigation all-the-more easier. Stooben Rooben (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
How is there a disambig,And dosent every one of the pages list the levels at the end of the page?Bob-omb buddy (talk) World 1 (SMB) isn't even complete yet! Before we consider whether to carry this action out or not, shouldn't someone complete all of the incomplete world/level articles first? Pikax (talk)
ZOMG to Garlic's comment! I was about to work on the level/world articles, but then this Proposal popped up. That's weird :blink: Palkia47 (talk)
What would be the problem about doing it like here? Brief level descriptions in the world article (that could be longer than in the Yoshi's Island example), with links to in-depth articles. This looks just fine to me and navigation is easy too. I really don't like the idea of merging stuff that has so much content you can write about. Plus, it's from a main Mario game, so it is of major importance. Plus, if we merge all levels into world articles, we can't put the single levels into separate categories. Time Q (talk)
Iggykoopa there is no reason to merge levels we have enough information to create sepreate pages
We also have enough information to split off the biography sections of the character articles, but we don't. Having all the information on one page is much more accessible and also makes for great Featured Articles - which is the main reason I'm supporting this proposal. We need to see more effort for the level articles, and allowing for potential FA status would help beef them up, I'm all for it. Think about what we have as FAs right now: games, characters, and series. Why aren't their locations up there? It's because there are only a few, such as the Mushroom and Beanbean Kingdoms, that would be large enough for FAs, even with all of their information. When you break down a location, like one of these worlds, into smaller articles as we have been doing, there's not enough information left! So let's merge, be inspired, write our hearts out, and get these featured and move on to more articles! Stumpers (talk)
However, it still comes down to the fact that expansion is possible, and that merging together a bunch of small articles does not necessarily give you a good-quality article. For instance, Cheep-Cheep, having 13 sections, is a semi-long article. However, each section lacks information, and cannot be said that it has good quality. From seeing the example level articles up in the proposals, if images are added, the articles would become easier to understand, and overall informative. There still is a chance for those articles, and if be needed, there are many users who are willing to do the work for 4 informative articles, rather than a grouping of section stubs. Garlic Man (talk)
Phew, now that's what I call controversial. It's a pity that we can't seem to find a compromise and that, no matter which side wins, there will be lots of people not happy with the outcome. Stumpers and Stooben, as much as I usually appreciate your ideas, your arguments here don't convince me. The "They don't have names"-argument isn't valid IMO, since on the one hand we have many articles without actual names, and on the other we also have cases where two or more officially-named things are merged in one article. I also don't quite understand your FA argument. Articles about single levels can become FAs. Of course, they must be expanded greatly, and must cover nearly everything about the level. When merging them into a World article instead, I think for each level there will be less information necessary to make it featured. Do you get my point? If you want to make a World article featured, you have to describe the World first and foremost. Of course, level descriptions are part of it, but compare it to a level article that shall become featured. For a featured level article, you expect it to cover really everything about the level, probably much more detailed than in a World article. The good thing about this is that World articles still can become FAs, too, if they have proper level summaries. And the argument that NSMB levels all have the same atmosphere is simply not true. You can always get more in detail, describing enemies, items, shortcuts, general layout... Time Q (talk)
OK, so looking back at all this, it seems like there's a big issue here. The supporters are saying that merging the stub/short articles we currently have would make nicer looking world articles (again, not FA status, just to clarify). The opposers are saying that, given time and effort, the articles could become beautiful works that may even reach FA status if they are complete enough. We have a big problem here: the opposers are talking about what could be while the supporters are talking about what currently is. Neither side is right! The opposers can't logically guarantee that all of the level articles will become brilliant and the supporters are contradicting the goal of a Wiki: to write as though you were working on a high-class encyclopedia, even while there are still shabby articles. We definitely need a compromise at this point in time, but no really good ideas are coming to me at the moment. I'd just like to say something, from a historical standpoint. Let me take two articles: Ashley and Red and Mario and Luigi's Parents. Both articles are about two characters who share an article because they are near inseparable. How, in the case of the former, I tried to work on it, fleshing out the individual details of each character, such as backstory, skills, and individual roles in the game storyline. That didn't work - the characters are just too inseparable at this point in the time to warrant two different articles that would essentially say the same thing. However, for the later article, as I've explored alternate media sources, I've come to realize that Mario's mother is a very separate character from his father because of her rolls on the Super Show. Currently, one of my goals is to rewrite and expand that article with the goal that people will realize how different the two characters are, and only then can we discuss the split. Now, let's apply this to our situation currently: I can't assure you that I will be able to beef up Mario and Luigi's Parents to the point where the article will be split because I haven't yet done the expansion. However, having attempted the expansion on Ashley and Red, I have determined that I cannot have the articles split. Now, let's say that, just for now, we merge the level article together with a big understanding: as the opposers improve the level articles, us supporters will be open to the option of splitting the world articles back into level articles, but you first must show us that the levels can be split. This should be explored on a game-by-game basis. We can experiment on World 1 of NSMB, for example, and when that article becomes a behemoth of 10 or so level articles that each could stand independently (for example, meets or almost meets FA length standards or shows how the level is significantly different from the world), we can split the levels back to their current state. Does this sound like a plan? I'm only suggesting this because currently, no one has been able to point to any level article and say, "This is what we're talking about." We have no proof to the claims that level articles could be grand articles that could either be featured or could be if they could reach the character limit. Thanks so much for your time and consideration. Stumpers (talk)
Dom: Holy carp this is a huge discussion. I just want to say that these level articles all seem kind of pointless to me, I mean who wants to read about random levels which are just numbers in worlds? They're just different arrangements of obstacles, platforms and enemies, that's it. So, they kind of suck. Dom (talk) Good point Dom. Hmmmm Stoob's test page remind me of this page World 1 (SMB). Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
Trouble Centerremove 23-2
Proposer: Wayoshi (talk) Put it to Rest
Keep it Running
CommentsMagitroopa (talk): Even though all of the above is true, It's still pretty useful.
Dudes, hypothetically speaking. I first posted a comment in the Proposals after coming from the Main Page's "Latest Proposal" box. Otherwise, I wouldn't have known it had existed. Why not try something like that for the Trouble Center? I mean, folks like me just go to the front page, see what's up, and if the answer's "Nothing," go on and do what they were doing. Folks like me would be more apt to go to the Trouble Center in the case that we made news of it. Shrikeswind (talk)
Third I thought it was the second. Any way I agree with Blitzwing too. The Trouble hased been used. Well it has been some user spamed it or ether post some stupid junk. (That thing is so old it might break down on it own.) Since the propsal is going to past, so far some users think that it best to ask question to System Operatiors (Sysops) or the Main page. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) FINALLY, someone sees the light. I've been cleaning out Troubles every now and again for months....anyway, I'm all for going back to how it was BEFORE the Trouble Center. That is, each person is given a challenge list with challenges set by other users. It gave a person more of an incentive to help, as it was like a game. -- Ghost Jam (talk) Merge Goomba with bellhop goombakeep separate 3-14 Proposer: Iggykoopa (talk) Merge
Keep Separate
CommentsThink about it guys we merged Pumpkin Heads with goombas and there way differnt so we should merge bellhop goombas because they are not any differnt from regular goombas. - Iggykoopa (talk)
As far as I know, you can't remove the "Protection" of the Bellhop Goombas, unlike the Pumpkin head. Just throwing that out. Blitzwing (talk)
Oh crud I didn't notice that till nao. (ROFL...LOL) XD Sry 'bout that I'll fix it. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
Iggykoopa Wait so your tellling me bellhop goombas are a sub species when they act the same and are just goombas in hotel outfits. But the pumpkin heads are not a sub species well there are no simularets beetween goombas and pupkin heads also one hit for bellhop goombas and goombas while it takes two for pumpkin heads Um exscuse me, but umm pumpkin heads are Goombas. If you star spin them, the pumkin breaks revealing a regular Goomba. (See Talk:Pumpkin Head) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Iggykoopa, instead of putting your name before your message, please put this at the end of your message: {{User|Iggykoopa}}. Also please post new comments at the bottom. Thanks! Time Q (talk) Iggy, just to clarify, "sub-species" is just a fan word used to describe an enemy or species that is obviously a modification of another species. For example, Paragoombas are obviously the developers referencing back to Goombas and Paratroopas. Honestly, we use it way too much, and as I can tell from your confusion, it really is misleading. "Associated Enemies" would be a better, albeit vaguer, term. Stumpers (talk) Wait so your telling me the bellhop goombas are sub sprcies when on the page you say there is no difference but the pumpkin head goombas are not just becayuse they were never named Iggykoopa (talk) Um please sigh your comments. Thanks! Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Ok just to set the record straghit i do not want to merge rhinestone goombas with regular goombas and the reason being they are much faster then regular goombas also they act differnt. Iggykoopa (talk) To your point Princess Grapes Butterfly think of this if you hit a winged goomba does it become a regular goomba yes but does that mean they should be merged no so by that logic we should un merge pumpkin head goombas and regualr goombas.Iggykoopa (talk)
Uh they are merge. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
The Pumpkins Heads. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.keep merged 1-7 Proposer: Iggykoopa (talk) UnmergeStay merged
CommentsLike i said if you jump on a winged goomba they become regular goombas but do we merge them no so with that logic we should not merge regular goombas and pumpkin head goombas. Iggykoopa But think of this those fish things you Call ???? Have there own page when one is just a blurp with a sharkfin also there are some you merged even with the fact that they have names like pat-the-bats. Iggykoopa Ok but on that point they never called them goombas so they should just be called pumpkin head goombas Iggykoopa Heres just a tip Iggy, get some facts about what your going to write a proposal about, create it in a proffesionally looking way (eg: using full stops, adding puncuation, grammer, etc.) so we can get more detail on what your implying too. You should get to know what your going to propose about before writing a proposal. Nothing personal, just a tip. Lol I just noticed, everyone whos opposing starts with an "S". And Btw Iggykoopa, Time Q (talk) asked for you to follow the proposal rules, and use {{User|Iggykoopa}} instead of signing it with just Iggykoopa. So I ask nicely to sign it with the proper format, please. Thanks. Super-Yoshi (talk) Ok first of all super-Yoshi Dont tell me what i should and should not do i made this proposal and to say i do not know what im talking about well screw you. Also Think of this your whole thing on nintendo never named them is funny because why should that matter i mean because think about it bellhop goombas were never in a nintendo game There for there not nintendo charecters. Iggykoopa (talk)
The Pumpkin heads can have their protections removed and be turned into normal Goombas, you might say the same about the Para-Goombas, but they appeared in a dozen of games, and they have an actual name. --Blitzwing 06:47, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
See Knife quote in Talk:Pumpkin Heads Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) 1337, do you mean These helmeted goombas ? Bob-omb buddy (talk) Goombassplit goomba and goomba (smw) 8-0 Proposer: Yoshikart (talk) Split
Keep TogetherCommentsAin't and round Goomba basicly a Goomba or a sub species. (I'm sorta confused.) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
File:RoundGoomba.png <- Is this what your talking 'bout. Anyway doesn't Kuribon means Little Chestnut people. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
You're welcome. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) iggykoopa (talk) you should call them Kuribon! Userbox Pagetrim down userbox page 11-8-0 Proposer: Phailure (talk) Lock the pageDon't lock
REMOVED VOTE: Stumpers (talk) - Trim down
CommentsOkay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. Phailure (talk)
When I feel like making a new Userbox, I just 'steal' one from another User page, or make a new one. I never use that Userbox page, it seems kinda pointless. Like a blunt arrow. Dom (talk) Okay, first there's voting on whether or not is should be locked, and then there's voting to trim it down (but no header to vote for leaving it the way it is?). No one's voted on both issues yet, but can we? This is more like two proposals in one, which is a bit... screwy. - Walkazo (talk)
Phailure: Just swapping "Don't Lock" for "Don't Change Anything" isn't right: those votes are now misplaced and should have been removed like mine. - Walkazo (talk) SuperMarioFan14 You'll be still able to ascess the Userbox page. Lock the page only due one thing and thats make the page unable to be edited. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
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