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===Abbreviation Pages=== | ===Abbreviation Pages=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-5|no such pages}} | |||
I feel this should be added for begginers. I am proposing that abreviations commonly used in this Wiki should have their own page. It took me 2 months to find out what NPC means. If this does not happen, then I propose instead that we change all abreviations not used in games to be changed to what they really mean. | I feel this should be added for begginers. I am proposing that abreviations commonly used in this Wiki should have their own page. It took me 2 months to find out what NPC means. If this does not happen, then I propose instead that we change all abreviations not used in games to be changed to what they really mean. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Jaffffey}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Jaffffey}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' January 24, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' January 24, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Merge of the same stages/courses into one article and split the the different ones=== | ===Merge of the same stages/courses into one article and split the the different ones=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-9|no merge}} | |||
I propose to merge the various courses from the spin-off series that have their own articles. This also goes for those who have appeared in main games before, and ''only'' have changed layouts, with (almost) identical names. One great example of this is [[Bowser's Castle]] from the main-games which has individual pages for [[Bowser Castle|the stages named Bowser('s) Castle in ''Mario Kart'']] and even [[Bowser Castle (Mario Superstar Baseball)|the Bowser Castle stadium in ''Mario Superstar Baseball'']] while the Bowser Castle-stage for ''[[Itadaki Street DS]]'' is STILL in the main-game's article of Bowser's Castle. | I propose to merge the various courses from the spin-off series that have their own articles. This also goes for those who have appeared in main games before, and ''only'' have changed layouts, with (almost) identical names. One great example of this is [[Bowser's Castle]] from the main-games which has individual pages for [[Bowser Castle|the stages named Bowser('s) Castle in ''Mario Kart'']] and even [[Bowser Castle (Mario Superstar Baseball)|the Bowser Castle stadium in ''Mario Superstar Baseball'']] while the Bowser Castle-stage for ''[[Itadaki Street DS]]'' is STILL in the main-game's article of Bowser's Castle. | ||
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'''Proposer''': [[User:KingMario|KingMario]]<br> | '''Proposer''': [[User:KingMario|KingMario]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': January 26, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline''': January 26, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
'''EDIT 20/01''': Looks like i forgot the idea to add a category in which users can support one idea only. | '''EDIT 20/01''': Looks like i forgot the idea to add a category in which users can support one idea only. | ||
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===Snifit or Snufit?=== | ===Snifit or Snufit?=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-9|don't merge}} | |||
''Note: Message is edited from [[Talk:Snufit]]'' | ''Note: Message is edited from [[Talk:Snufit]]'' | ||
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'''Proposer:''' [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] and [[User:Knife|Knife]]<br> | '''Proposer:''' [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] and [[User:Knife|Knife]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' 26 | '''Deadline:''' January 26, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
====Keep as Snufit==== | ====Keep as Snufit==== | ||
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Okay, so having looked at SM64DS's revamped model (it has a TAIL!), it's clearly intended as a subspecies. This, however, does not prove anything. After all, was not Bubba turned into a different species (Big Bertha, IIRC?) for the DS one? Yet we still have the Bubba article for the original game's sake. So, while it seems that 64's Snifits were apparently retconned into Snufits, they were Snifits in the original game. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 19:49, 21 January 2008 (EST) | Okay, so having looked at SM64DS's revamped model (it has a TAIL!), it's clearly intended as a subspecies. This, however, does not prove anything. After all, was not Bubba turned into a different species (Big Bertha, IIRC?) for the DS one? Yet we still have the Bubba article for the original game's sake. So, while it seems that 64's Snifits were apparently retconned into Snufits, they were Snifits in the original game. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 19:49, 21 January 2008 (EST) | ||
:Well.. if you look at this image [[ | :Well.. if you look at this image [[File:Snufit.jpg]] they do look pretty different from normal Snifit, they don't even have feets! --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:58, 22 January 2008 (EST) | ||
::Right, and any self-respecting biologist knows that an animal without feet is not the same as an animal with feet. I like your Goomba point too, SMW Goombas don't look like any other Goombas, but like bipedial/quadrupedial Koopa Troopas I thought that since they have the same name we're stuck saying they're the same species, however if they have different Japanese names I say we ''should'' split the article. Besides, we don't just have to go by names, we can still use common sence where we can. Like with the Koopalings: [[Ludwig Von Koopa]] and [[Kooky Von Koopa]] have different names, but we know they're about the same person and therefore we only have one article for them/him. And Dazuro, no swearing. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | ::Right, and any self-respecting biologist knows that an animal without feet is not the same as an animal with feet. I like your Goomba point too, SMW Goombas don't look like any other Goombas, but like bipedial/quadrupedial Koopa Troopas I thought that since they have the same name we're stuck saying they're the same species, however if they have different Japanese names I say we ''should'' split the article. Besides, we don't just have to go by names, we can still use common sence where we can. Like with the Koopalings: [[Ludwig Von Koopa]] and [[Kooky Von Koopa]] have different names, but we know they're about the same person and therefore we only have one article for them/him. And Dazuro, no swearing. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | ||
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===Character Stats and Descriptions=== | ===Character Stats and Descriptions=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|no quorum|2-0}} | |||
I find it rather odd that semi-minor characters such as [[Daisy]] and [[Waluigi]] have extremely detailed stats and character descriptions from recent spinoff games such as [[Mario Party DS]] and [[Mario Superstar Baseball]] while main characters such as [[Mario]] and [[Wario]] have very vague stats and no descriptions for games such as [[Mario Party DS]]. It seems like a minor complaint, but for the Super Mario Wiki, it seems kind of unfair and silly not to include thorough stats for everyone, especially main characters such as those mentioned. For those who can not find out for themselves (such as myself), the Mario Wiki should definitely include the information to live up to its reputation as a thorough database. All who support should be for attempting to locate these stats or finding one who is able to. | I find it rather odd that semi-minor characters such as [[Daisy]] and [[Waluigi]] have extremely detailed stats and character descriptions from recent spinoff games such as [[Mario Party DS]] and [[Mario Superstar Baseball]] while main characters such as [[Mario]] and [[Wario]] have very vague stats and no descriptions for games such as [[Mario Party DS]]. It seems like a minor complaint, but for the Super Mario Wiki, it seems kind of unfair and silly not to include thorough stats for everyone, especially main characters such as those mentioned. For those who can not find out for themselves (such as myself), the Mario Wiki should definitely include the information to live up to its reputation as a thorough database. All who support should be for attempting to locate these stats or finding one who is able to. | ||
'''Proposer:''' [[User:Have A Rotten Day!|Have A Rotten Day!]]<br> | '''Proposer:''' [[User:Have A Rotten Day!|Have A Rotten Day!]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' January 28, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' January 28, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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::Good point, Stumpers. He says in his proposal that he does not own all of the Mario sports title and cannot find all of the info by himself, but if the proposal passes he's going to have to do it anyway. {{User|Glitchman}} 18:54, 22 January 2008 (PT) | ::Good point, Stumpers. He says in his proposal that he does not own all of the Mario sports title and cannot find all of the info by himself, but if the proposal passes he's going to have to do it anyway. {{User|Glitchman}} 18:54, 22 January 2008 (PT) | ||
:::No, I totally agree with you guys. I'm not horrendously concerned over this, I just think that when it comes to stats that people have obviously gotten hold of, that they should include all of the characters over time. I really have been trying to locate the info myself and trying to locate people I know who may have the information but I haven't really met anyone who has the info. I am more than willing to include the info myself, I just don't own the games or know anyone who does. If I get the info, I'd be happy to personally apply it to the proper pages. I just really feel that when it comes to information like that, that all characters need to be included, regardless of popularity, in order to fufill the Mario Wiki's reputation as a thorough database. [[User:Have A Rotten Day!|Have A Rotten Day!]] | :::No, I totally agree with you guys. I'm not horrendously concerned over this, I just think that when it comes to stats that people have obviously gotten hold of, that they should include all of the characters over time. I really have been trying to locate the info myself and trying to locate people I know who may have the information but I haven't really met anyone who has the info. I am more than willing to include the info myself, I just don't own the games or know anyone who does. If I get the info, I'd be happy to personally apply it to the proper pages. I just really feel that when it comes to information like that, that all characters need to be included, regardless of popularity, in order to fufill the Mario Wiki's reputation as a thorough database. [[User:Have A Rotten Day!|Have A Rotten Day!]] | ||
::::The proposal page is for things that can alter the working of the MarioWiki (New rules, deleting/merging an article), if you think some articles lack informations, {{ | ::::The proposal page is for things that can alter the working of the MarioWiki (New rules, deleting/merging an article), if you think some articles lack informations, {{fake link|there's the Trouble Center}} --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 06:42, 25 January 2008 (EST) | ||
Ugh, are you serious? Just because CERTAIN PEOPLE [ugh-huh, ME!] were willing to do it for characters they liked doesn't mean other characters are by your opinion MORE deserving of the same information. I don't have to add info to certain pages if I don't feel like it. I can indeed do this with ease, it's just that no one seems to care as much about MArio and Luigi's spin-off information as they do for characters like (i.e Waluigi et Daisy). I have no problem with doing this, it's just frustrating the way you put it. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]] | Ugh, are you serious? Just because CERTAIN PEOPLE [ugh-huh, ME!] were willing to do it for characters they liked doesn't mean other characters are by your opinion MORE deserving of the same information. I don't have to add info to certain pages if I don't feel like it. I can indeed do this with ease, it's just that no one seems to care as much about MArio and Luigi's spin-off information as they do for characters like (i.e Waluigi et Daisy). I have no problem with doing this, it's just frustrating the way you put it. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]] | ||
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===Split [[Luma]] into Hungry Luma=== | ===Split [[Luma]] into Hungry Luma=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-5|split}} | |||
Currently, we do not have an article on Hungry Lumas. Although Hungry Lumas are simply Lumas that are hungry, I believe they should get a separate article because they appear so consistently in the game and their name is official, with a capitalized Hungry in front of Luma. They also affect the gameplay a lot by forming new planets, new galaxies, or even Mushrooms. Of course, they are still the same species as Lumas (not subspecies), but should that be reason that they have to stay on the same article? | Currently, we do not have an article on Hungry Lumas. Although Hungry Lumas are simply Lumas that are hungry, I believe they should get a separate article because they appear so consistently in the game and their name is official, with a capitalized Hungry in front of Luma. They also affect the gameplay a lot by forming new planets, new galaxies, or even Mushrooms. Of course, they are still the same species as Lumas (not subspecies), but should that be reason that they have to stay on the same article? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Knife}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Knife}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' January 29, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' January 29, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Spriting Refrences=== | ===Spriting Refrences=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-8|keep references}} | |||
On the wiki, many people add in articles refrencing about spriting and models. I know what these mean, but not all guests or users who don't care about the community side may not know what exactly sprites are, and the differences with models. So should we allow this kind of talk? Or shall we make this only for people who know about this stuff? | On the wiki, many people add in articles refrencing about spriting and models. I know what these mean, but not all guests or users who don't care about the community side may not know what exactly sprites are, and the differences with models. So should we allow this kind of talk? Or shall we make this only for people who know about this stuff? | ||
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'''Proposer''': [[User:Crypt Raider|Crypt Raider]]<br> | '''Proposer''': [[User:Crypt Raider|Crypt Raider]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': 20:00 | '''Deadline''': February 1, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
====Let's not add spriting refrences==== | ====Let's not add spriting refrences==== | ||
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===Minor Things=== | ===Minor Things=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-9|keep articles}} | |||
Recently I've seen articles such as [[Pauline's Items]], [[Beach Koopa]], [[Pirate Goomba]], [[Mario mini]] and MANY others, that are kept because they "affect gameplay" but then others like [[Snufit Ball]] deleted. When are we going to actually set a standerd? These must be deleted. | Recently I've seen articles such as [[Pauline's Items]], [[Beach Koopa]], [[Pirate Goomba]], [[Mario mini]] and MANY others, that are kept because they "affect gameplay" but then others like [[Snufit Ball]] deleted. When are we going to actually set a standerd? These must be deleted. | ||
'''Proposer''' [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]<br> | '''Proposer''': [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline | '''Deadline''': February 1, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
====Delete - This wiki doesn't need an article on everything, even if it effects gameplay==== | ====Delete - This wiki doesn't need an article on everything, even if it effects gameplay==== | ||
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::How about.... I have no idea. Can we just scrap this proposal and start over. The chances of this thing winning are slim to none. [[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] 18:25, 30 January 2008 (EST) | ::How about.... I have no idea. Can we just scrap this proposal and start over. The chances of this thing winning are slim to none. [[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] 18:25, 30 January 2008 (EST) | ||
:::Why don't we close this early. Before saying no, read [[ | :::Why don't we close this early. Before saying no, read [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Snowball clause|this]]. [[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] 14:28, 1 February 2008 (EST) | ||
:::This proposal doesn't hurt you either, so it there's no reason for it not to stay until the deadline is over. - {{User|Cobold}} 14:35, 1 February 2008 (EST) | :::This proposal doesn't hurt you either, so it there's no reason for it not to stay until the deadline is over. - {{User|Cobold}} 14:35, 1 February 2008 (EST) | ||
:::Yeah, by the looks of it the proposals not gonna pass so chill out and let it die in its own good time. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | :::Yeah, by the looks of it the proposals not gonna pass so chill out and let it die in its own good time. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | ||
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===Yoshi and Wario entries=== | ===Yoshi and Wario entries=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|put these entries in primary lists}} | |||
Fellow Kids Next Door operatives I mean MarioWiki users, :P; I just found out an issue that lasts just about when the wiki has started to this very day... Do you notice something missing in the lists such as Characters, Places, Items, Species, Allies and Enemies? If not, it would be the Yoshi and Wario entries. Just look, those entries are long forgotten and unlisted, (excluding DK entries). You can barely see some of the entries in those lists, and besides, they are linked through articles instead of lists sadly, :(. Come on, this is the Super Mario Wiki! In the last note, if neither of those two choices are effected, then Wayoshi would make a DPL code to list Yoshi and Wario entries in the Wiki Maintenance in such case. | Fellow Kids Next Door operatives I mean MarioWiki users, :P; I just found out an issue that lasts just about when the wiki has started to this very day... Do you notice something missing in the lists such as Characters, Places, Items, Species, Allies and Enemies? If not, it would be the Yoshi and Wario entries. Just look, those entries are long forgotten and unlisted, (excluding DK entries). You can barely see some of the entries in those lists, and besides, they are linked through articles instead of lists sadly, :(. Come on, this is the Super Mario Wiki! In the last note, if neither of those two choices are effected, then Wayoshi would make a DPL code to list Yoshi and Wario entries in the Wiki Maintenance in such case. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|RAP}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|RAP}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' February 3, 2008, 15:00 | '''Deadline:''' February 3, 2008, 15:00 EST | ||
====Include the Yoshi and Wario entries in those primary lists==== | ====Include the Yoshi and Wario entries in those primary lists==== | ||
#{{User|RAP}} I think it would be better if those entries belong in the same list instead of seperately, IMO. | #{{User|RAP}} I think it would be better if those entries belong in the same list instead of seperately, IMO. | ||
#[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] How on earth could anyone miss that?! | #[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] How on earth could anyone miss that?! | ||
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Seeing as these main lists are simply called [[Places]] etc. instead of '''''Mario'' Places''' than it would make sence that ''all'' the places were listed there. If the crossover things are already in these lists, we should just stick everything else in there too and make it a done deal. An obscenely large list will be a tad onerous to navigate, but it will be no worse than the lack of lists we have now ([[Donkey Kong Places]] but no [[Yoshi Places]] or [[Wario Places]]?). | #[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Seeing as these main lists are simply called [[List of locations|Places]] etc. instead of '''''Mario'' Places''' than it would make sence that ''all'' the places were listed there. If the crossover things are already in these lists, we should just stick everything else in there too and make it a done deal. An obscenely large list will be a tad onerous to navigate, but it will be no worse than the lack of lists we have now ([[Donkey Kong Places]] but no [[Yoshi Places]] or [[Wario Places]]?). | ||
#{{User|Alphaclaw11}}It would be easier and yoshi and wario games first were mario games so they are related game wise.And if they are included in the wiki overall then they should be in the overall lists. | #{{User|Alphaclaw11}}It would be easier and yoshi and wario games first were mario games so they are related game wise.And if they are included in the wiki overall then they should be in the overall lists. | ||
#[[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]]I've always said that the Wario and Yoshi series, particularly the Yoshi series, aren't really distinct series from the Mario series. | #[[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]]I've always said that the Wario and Yoshi series, particularly the Yoshi series, aren't really distinct series from the Mario series. | ||
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===Correct Operator System=== | ===Correct Operator System=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-10|keep separated power groups}} | |||
I know everyone is tired of talking about the chat on this wiki, but please, hear me out. Steve currently has "200" powers – founder of #mariowiki, complete control over all settings. When I had my bureaucrat term, I was privileged with "190" – everything the same as 200 except to unregister #mariowiki (i.e. remove ChanServ and all ops). All sysops on the wiki got "100", which allowed them to be auto-oped upon entry in the room to ban & kick when appropriate. The chat was very ho-hum and orderly at that time. | I know everyone is tired of talking about the chat on this wiki, but please, hear me out. Steve currently has "200" powers – founder of #mariowiki, complete control over all settings. When I had my bureaucrat term, I was privileged with "190" – everything the same as 200 except to unregister #mariowiki (i.e. remove ChanServ and all ops). All sysops on the wiki got "100", which allowed them to be auto-oped upon entry in the room to ban & kick when appropriate. The chat was very ho-hum and orderly at that time. | ||
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'''Proposer''': [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]]<br> | '''Proposer''': [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': Febuary 4, 2008 17:00 | '''Deadline''': Febuary 4, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Sysops are Ops, No One Else==== | ====Sysops are Ops, No One Else==== | ||
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===Latest Appearance=== | ===Latest Appearance=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|21-1|use latest released appearance}} | |||
On the [[template:Character infobox|character infobox]] template, there is a section for "Latest Appearance". I'd like to establish a consensus on what this means: should this apply solely to released titles or should announced titles have precedence? We must also decide how to deal with multiple release dates. Please be sure to mention in your vote how you'd like to deal with this second issue and we can have another proposal if there is not a clear consensus. | |||
On the [[template: | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}} (writer) and {{User|Master Crash}} (advice)<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}} (writer) and {{User|Master Crash}} (advice)<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' February 7, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' February 7, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Put the Latest ''Released'' Appearance==== | ====Put the Latest ''Released'' Appearance==== | ||
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#{{User|Glitchman}} Per all. | #{{User|Glitchman}} Per all. | ||
#[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] - Per all again. | #[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] - Per all again. | ||
#[[User:Lules|Lules]] Until the game is released, the character might not appear anymore. If he/she does, it's just a matter of changing the date and name of the game in the character | #[[User:Lules|Lules]] Until the game is released, the character might not appear anymore. If he/she does, it's just a matter of changing the date and name of the game in the character infobox. Monday, 12:44 am | ||
#{{User|Smiddle}} Per them. | #{{User|Smiddle}} Per them. | ||
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} The latest appearance should say what the most-recently-released game with that character is. There could also be a part that says "Future Appearances" that would tell games to-be-released that has that character confirmed to be in it. | #{{User|Stooben Rooben}} The latest appearance should say what the most-recently-released game with that character is. There could also be a part that says "Future Appearances" that would tell games to-be-released that has that character confirmed to be in it. | ||
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===The [[Centurion]] article=== | ===The [[Centurion]] article=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-3|merge}} | |||
I think we should merge that article. These guys are simply the componement of [[Palutena Army|some attack]]. If we allow an article on these guy, we should also allow articles on the various [[Pokemon]] and [[Assist Trophy]]. | I think we should merge that article. These guys are simply the componement of [[Palutena Army|some attack]]. If we allow an article on these guy, we should also allow articles on the various [[Pokemon]] and [[Assist Trophy]]. | ||
'''Proposer''' {{User|Blitzwing}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Blitzwing}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline | '''Deadline''': February 8, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
====Merge Centurion with Palutena Army==== | ====Merge Centurion with Palutena Army==== | ||
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===Difficulty=== | ===Difficulty=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|18-1|remove difficulty section}} | |||
Why does the level template used in DKC and SMW2 levels, among others, have a section that says something along the lines of Difficulty: Super Easy? This seems to be POV- What if I thought, say, Jungle Hijinks was hard, but the page said otherwise? This could call for many edits and opinionated statements. I propose that the template is changed so it doesn't have the Difficulty: Whatever . | Why does the level template used in DKC and SMW2 levels, among others, have a section that says something along the lines of Difficulty: Super Easy? This seems to be POV- What if I thought, say, Jungle Hijinks was hard, but the page said otherwise? This could call for many edits and opinionated statements. I propose that the template is changed so it doesn't have the Difficulty: Whatever . | ||
'''Proposer:''' [[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]]<br> | '''Proposer:''' [[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' February 18, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' February 18, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Main Article Template=== | ===Main Article Template=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|2-11|don't use template in those cases}} | |||
I've noticed with a lot of articles on main characters (e.g.:[[Mario]]), it shows that character's relations with other character (e.g.:[[Luigi]], [[Peach]], etc.). That article section gives a brief synopsis of his or her relation with another character with the [[Template:Main|Main Article Template]] above it. However, the articles also give a brief synopsis of appearances in games, and how his or her role is important to the story of that game. I think that the Main Article Template should also appear in this area of the articles. For example, with the Mario article, it would say ''Main Article: Paper Mario'' above the synopsis of Mario's role in ''Paper Mario''. | I've noticed with a lot of articles on main characters (e.g.:[[Mario]]), it shows that character's relations with other character (e.g.:[[Luigi]], [[Peach]], etc.). That article section gives a brief synopsis of his or her relation with another character with the [[Template:Main|Main Article Template]] above it. However, the articles also give a brief synopsis of appearances in games, and how his or her role is important to the story of that game. I think that the Main Article Template should also appear in this area of the articles. For example, with the Mario article, it would say ''Main Article: Paper Mario'' above the synopsis of Mario's role in ''Paper Mario''. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' February 18, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' February 18, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===LETS RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVELY=== | ===LETS RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVELY=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|2-12|keep wiki unaggressively snufit-ball-free}} | |||
I think the Snufit Ball deserves an article. Duh. It's an important object! Article worthy! | I think the Snufit Ball deserves an article. Duh. It's an important object! Article worthy! | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Fly_Guy_2}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Fly_Guy_2}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' February 19, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' February 19, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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:You can swear in the internet; just not here. I'm not voting because it's already a landslide, but the ball is so minor, it should be stay on the Snufit/Snifit article. {{User|3Dejong}} | :You can swear in the internet; just not here. I'm not voting because it's already a landslide, but the ball is so minor, it should be stay on the Snufit/Snifit article. {{User|3Dejong}} | ||
What you guys will say about? {{ | What you guys will say about? {{fake link|Mario's Shirt}}. It doesn't affect gameplay at all. {{User|Shroobario}} GO SNUFIT BALL! | ||
:Someone needs to merge that into Mario's article... one more proposal... :( {{User|Stumpers}} 17:47, 15 February 2008 (EST) | :Someone needs to merge that into Mario's article... one more proposal... :( {{User|Stumpers}} 17:47, 15 February 2008 (EST) | ||
::Hey, not every discussion about merging articles need to be run throught a proposal. [[Pakkun Flower]] got merged without having to pass throught the proposal process. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:52, 15 February 2008 (EST) | ::Hey, not every discussion about merging articles need to be run throught a proposal. [[Pakkun Flower]] got merged without having to pass throught the proposal process. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:52, 15 February 2008 (EST) | ||
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===Different characters=== | ===Different characters=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-14|keep articles merged}} | |||
Often when browsing the wiki, there are various articles about two character such as [[Mario and Luigi's Parents]] and [[Mario Joe and Luigi Bob]]. I propose a split of these articles who is about two characters, into two characters. Of course, these articles shouldn't only say thins such as "Mario and Luigi's Father has a pipe and appeard in a comic strip and at the end of ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island|Yoshi's Island]]'' and ''[[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|Super Mario Advance 3]]''" and nothing more, but there shall be things written on both articles, such as their background. I propose a split of pages like those. | Often when browsing the wiki, there are various articles about two character such as [[Mario and Luigi's Parents]] and [[Mario Joe and Luigi Bob]]. I propose a split of these articles who is about two characters, into two characters. Of course, these articles shouldn't only say thins such as "Mario and Luigi's Father has a pipe and appeard in a comic strip and at the end of ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island|Yoshi's Island]]'' and ''[[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|Super Mario Advance 3]]''" and nothing more, but there shall be things written on both articles, such as their background. I propose a split of pages like those. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|KingMario}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|KingMario}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': February 21, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': February 21, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
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===Birdo=== | ===Birdo=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-0|split into character and species}} | |||
This Wiki features articles for both [[Toad]] the character and [[Toad (species)|Toad]] the species. The same applies to [[Yoshi]]. In light of this, the topic came up on [[Talk:Birdo]] regarding whether the [[Birdo]] article should be split in the same manner. A proposal appeared there before the creation of ''MarioWiki:Proposals'', died, and was brought back. I'd like to bring it here so that it is official. | This Wiki features articles for both [[Toad]] the character and [[Toad (species)|Toad]] the species. The same applies to [[Yoshi]]. In light of this, the topic came up on [[Talk:Birdo]] regarding whether the [[Birdo]] article should be split in the same manner. A proposal appeared there before the creation of ''MarioWiki:Proposals'', died, and was brought back. I'd like to bring it here so that it is official. | ||
What it comes down to is this: is there ample evidence to conclude that a character named "Birdo" exists in the ''[[Mario ( | What it comes down to is this: is there ample evidence to conclude that a character named "Birdo" exists in the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise? For Toad and Yoshi, the policy has been that when a game, TV show, or otherwise specificially refers to a character by name, it constituted mention in the character article. (ie. "Bowser kidnapped Peach and Toad," rather than simply "Bowser kidnapped Peach and a Toad,"). | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' March 8, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' March 8, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
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===LOLCats=== | ===LOLCats=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-12|don't remove images}} | |||
While looking at some User Pages I have noticed large chunks of images from the site <nowiki>ilovemiaow.com</nowiki>. These seem to be massive space-wasters. {{User|3Dejong}} has a entire page of them, {{User|Sadaharu}} has a big chunk of them and {{User|Plumber}} has inserted a LOT of extra <nowiki><br></nowiki>'s on [[User:Plumber/Pignature]] just so he can insert a LOLCat GIF at the bottom. So, should we get rid of them? | While looking at some User Pages I have noticed large chunks of images from the site <nowiki>ilovemiaow.com</nowiki>. These seem to be massive space-wasters. {{User|3Dejong}} has a entire page of them, {{User|Sadaharu}} has a big chunk of them and {{User|Plumber}} has inserted a LOT of extra <nowiki><br></nowiki>'s on [[User:Plumber/Pignature]] just so he can insert a LOLCat GIF at the bottom. So, should we get rid of them? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Jdrowlands}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Jdrowlands}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' March 8, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' March 8, 2008, 20:00 EST | ||
====Remove==== | ====Remove==== | ||
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===Crossover Species Page=== | ===Crossover Species Page=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-4|create list}} | |||
Er, I ''think'' this goes on this section... Whatever. OK, I was discussing this with [[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]] over a certain edit involving a Hedgehog, and we came to an agreement. We believe that perhaps a '''List of Crossover Species''' page is needed. I'm feeling lazy right now, so I'm not gonna bother listing five examples. Instead, someone else can fill the blanks for me. Just an idea... We could possibly merge things like [[Topi]], [[Polar Bear]] or [[Octorok]] with this as well. | Er, I ''think'' this goes on this section... Whatever. OK, I was discussing this with [[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]] over a certain edit involving a Hedgehog, and we came to an agreement. We believe that perhaps a '''List of Crossover Species''' page is needed. I'm feeling lazy right now, so I'm not gonna bother listing five examples. Instead, someone else can fill the blanks for me. Just an idea... We could possibly merge things like [[Topi]], [[Polar Bear]] or [[Octorok]] with this as well. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Pokemon DP}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Pokemon DP}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' March 17, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' March 17, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Create a Crossover Species List==== | ====Create a Crossover Species List==== | ||
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===Final Smash Trophy Information=== | ===Final Smash Trophy Information=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-8|keep info on character pages}} | |||
I noticed that for the characters that are in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] articles, there are the Final Smash Trophy information. The exact same information can be found on each of the Final Smash Articles. (e.g. [[Ike]] and [[Great Aether]].) I think that the ones one the character's article should be deleted, even if that means we should put a link to the Final Smash article. I don't think there should be two duplicate trophy informations on two articles. | I noticed that for the characters that are in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] articles, there are the Final Smash Trophy information. The exact same information can be found on each of the Final Smash Articles. (e.g. [[Ike]] and [[Great Aether]].) I think that the ones one the character's article should be deleted, even if that means we should put a link to the Final Smash article. I don't think there should be two duplicate trophy informations on two articles. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' March 17, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' March 17, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====No Trophy info on Character pages==== | ====No Trophy info on Character pages==== | ||
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How do you unlock the Final Smash trophies anyway? Via All-Star mode? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:13, 14 March 2008 (EDT | How do you unlock the Final Smash trophies anyway? Via All-Star mode? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:13, 14 March 2008 (EDT | ||
:Trogga, that's unrelated to the proposal, and shouldn't be discussed here. Ask at someone's talk page, or something. Don't do it here. {{ | :Trogga, that's unrelated to the proposal, and shouldn't be discussed here. Ask at someone's talk page, or something. Don't do it here. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
::No, I'm asking if they're linked by the way they're unlocked (like in ''Melee''). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:14, 16 March 2008 (EDT) | ::No, I'm asking if they're linked by the way they're unlocked (like in ''Melee''). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:14, 16 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
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{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-9|keep list}} | |||
Hi everyone, okay now to business. How do I put this? I think there should be articles for each Pokemon from the Smash Bros. series instead of all into 1 article. Because seperate articles would make more sense (in my opinion), because most of the Pokemon's stuff is mainly trophy stuff and there should be more about the different kinds of Pokemon. A lot of Pokemon do very different kinds of things. Also if by chance, my proposal doesn't work, than somebody has to merge the [[Dialga]], the [[Palkia]], and the [[Cresselia]] articles with the Pokémon article. <s>Love</s> Sincerly {{User|Super mario fan}} | Hi everyone, okay now to business. How do I put this? I think there should be articles for each Pokemon from the Smash Bros. series instead of all into 1 article. Because seperate articles would make more sense (in my opinion), because most of the Pokemon's stuff is mainly trophy stuff and there should be more about the different kinds of Pokemon. A lot of Pokemon do very different kinds of things. Also if by chance, my proposal doesn't work, than somebody has to merge the [[Dialga]], the [[Palkia]], and the [[Cresselia]] articles with the Pokémon article. <s>Love</s> Sincerly {{User|Super mario fan}} | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super mario fan}} | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Super mario fan}} | ||
'''Deadline:''' March 20, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' March 20, 2008, 17:00 EST | ||
====Seperate Articles==== | ====Seperate Articles==== |
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Abbreviation Pagesno such pages 4-5 Proposer: Jaffffey (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsDon't forget to vote on your owm proposal! Anyway, abreviations are annoying but I disagree with your secondary suggestion to cut them out if this translation-page proposal doesn't fly. One major problem people might have will be "canon vs. fanon" slang, but the page could always be divided into those respective sections... I dunno, I have to think about this one. - Walkazo
Orangeyoshi That would work too! I just want someplace to learn the abbreveations. By the way, what does NPC mean?
Can't we do what Stumpers suggested and redirect abrieviations to their glossary entries?Knife (talk) 16:16, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Orangeyoshi 16:56, 20 January 2008 (EST) Cobold is right. "NPC" isn't in the glossary. I wouldn't know what it means unless Blitzwing told me. STUMPERS' LIST OF ABREVIATIONS TO ADD: NPC, RPG, Bros.(everyone: feel free to add more!) Orangeyoshi 20:53, 23 January 2008 (EST) Wait, I thought Time Q, Walkazo and I figured out that "per" wasn't wiki slang. Should it be in the glossary? It still could be... but I don't think we need it. Ya just said it again! Or did you do that on purpose? Orangeyoshi 19:56, 24 January 2008 (EST) Merge of the same stages/courses into one article and split the the different onesno merge 4-9 I also propose to split the pages that have two or more entirely different stages in the same article, mostly the Super Smash Bros. stages, such as the article with the original's and Melee's Mushroom Kingdom, two ENTIRELY different stages. Well, you may think "But they have the same name and design!" No, they don't. All stages based on Super Mario Bros. would have that design and the Melee versions is called Mushroom: Kingdom, with "Mushroom" being the stage location and "Kingdom" the name. (BTW, I is not neutral to English and this is the first time I propose so if anything is spelled wrong or wrong in any other way, feel free to edit this.) Proposer: KingMario EDIT 20/01: Looks like i forgot the idea to add a category in which users can support one idea only. Support
Oppose
Supporting one ideaCommentsAre you gonna vote, KM? Dodoman (talk)
InfectedShroom, you may want to put your vote in oppose so that the proposal doesn't go through? If you don't you might lose both of your arguments. Stumpers (talk) 13:02, 21 January 2008 (EST)
Snifit or Snufit?don't merge 3-9 So, um, according to TMK, these guys' Japanese names are exactly the same as a normal Snifit's. On top of that, i and u are right next to each other on most English keyboards. They look nearly identical (especially in the remake, which makes almost all enemies look more like their traditional forms), and, floating aside, act identical as well--and the originals could jump and hover for a short time anyway. And this very wiki says that they were "accidentally" referred to as Snifits in one of the MPs anyway.... Considering all that, can we really say that they're intended to be different enemies? I'd suggest a merge. Proposer: Dazuro and Knife Keep as Snufit
Merge to Snifit
CommentsThey're different species, but I do see what you're getting at with your arguments on the talk page. I agree that it's strange how Koopa Troopas started out quardrupedial and are now totally different but retain the same name. If it were up to me, the 4-legged ones would be called Shellcreepers and only the anthropormorphic turtles would be Troopas, but it's not up to me, it's up to Nintendo, and they say they're all Koopa Troopas. It's the same case with the Paratroopas: they're just Koopa Troopas with wings, but they've been given different names so we have to say they're different species, and the same goes for Snifits and Snufits. Of course, I'd still want to list Paratroopas as their own species (or at least sub-species) anyway, since they look and act different from Koopa Troopas, which are the main criteria for determining species in biology (aside from genetics, which doesn't really apply here as this is the fictional Marioverse where DNA means squat and anything can happen, including a species getting its wings knocked off and magically turning into another species). Maybe Snifits and Snufits were meant to be the same thing, but they're not. They act and look different, just like the two kinds of Koopa Troopas, and just like Paratroopas and Troopas; but like the latter, they got seperate names. It doesn't matter if it was a typo, Nintendo has spoken and we're obligated to follow it. - Walkazo I just want to point out that if this proposal pass, we should also perhap split the Super Mario World Goomba from the Goomba article since they act differently and haves a different name in the Japanese localisation, which is kinda the opposite of this "Snifit = Snufit?" deal. --Blitzwing 12:22, 20 January 2008 (EST)
Character Stats and Descriptionsno quorum 2-0 Proposer: Have A Rotten Day! Support
OpposeCommentsThe main reason for that, is 'cos Daisy and Waluigi's articles are hit by incredibly over-zealous fanboys, who put all their time to that one article. That's awesome for us, cos' we need all the info we can get, but other articles are ignored in this way. I'm only commenting to give the reason why this has happened, sorry. Pokemon DP (talk) So, anyway, what exactly are we Supporting and Opposing here? I don't think this is even proposal-worthy, yes it's odd, but like Pokemon Dp said, some off our users here are *ahem*, more dedicated to certain characters. --Blitzwing 18:02, 22 January 2008 (EST)
Ugh, are you serious? Just because CERTAIN PEOPLE [ugh-huh, ME!] were willing to do it for characters they liked doesn't mean other characters are by your opinion MORE deserving of the same information. I don't have to add info to certain pages if I don't feel like it. I can indeed do this with ease, it's just that no one seems to care as much about MArio and Luigi's spin-off information as they do for characters like (i.e Waluigi et Daisy). I have no problem with doing this, it's just frustrating the way you put it. Fixitup Okay.. then do it please. User:Have A Rotten Day! I'm in the middle of it. :P Nyeh! Fixitup Split Luma into Hungry Lumasplit 8-5 Proposer: Knife (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsHypertoad:Yes. --Blitzwing 11:43, 23 January 2008 (EST) Hey, Knife, you gonna support your own proposal? InfectedShroom (talk) Bliz:OMG, this wiki has PROMBLEMS! HyperToad
Tykyle: Yes.Knife (talk) 20:52, 26 January 2008 (EST) Would the Luma Shop need a separate article... Nah...But i just wanted to check... MarioBros777 (talk) Oh yeah... I say split!!! Get your fist and break the article into 2! :P Spriting Refrenceskeep references 1-8 Examples of these articles would be Beta Elements and sorry to say but parts of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Proposer: Crypt Raider Let's not add spriting refrences
Keep spriting refrences
CommentsI still haven't quite understood what you are talking about? Could you say where in the Brawl article exactly there is a reference? The Beta Elements would be a different story, it's vital to the article and could perhaps be explained for that. - Cobold (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2008 (EST) I don't really understand this proposal... Spriting is a legetimate videogame term, refering to 2D models of characters and items, it's not just a community thing. Same things for Model. What's the point of removing mentions of something perfectly legetimate? Blitzwing (talk) Minor Thingskeep articles 1-9 Proposer: HyperToad Delete - This wiki doesn't need an article on everything, even if it effects gameplay
Keep
CommentsWhat is "too minor" and what is not is mostly opinion. Maybe Mario mini isn't as important as Mario himself, however, the character play a proeminent part (A minigame in Super Mario 64 is centered around it) and have an official name, showing Nintendo kinda cares about that... thing. However, I agree we should merge Beach koopa (C'mon, it's just a Koopa without it's shell, it doesn't make it a new species). For this kind of problem, we should work with a case-by-case basis , not everything need to be run throught the proposals, if you think the article is about a too minor subject, say it on the Talkpage and see if other agree/disagree, making an individual proposal to merge Pirate Goomba is OK, however, making a proposal to get rid of everything that doesn't seem too major just doesn't work. Blitzwing (talk) Saying it on talkpages DOESN'T WORK! I've tried with Pauline's Items, but Xluidi came in and acted like he's so smart by saying "It affects gameplay, like CHEESE". Everthing that effects gameplay doesn't get an article! So maybe this proposal can't work, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a standerd for what gets an article and what doesn't. What about Blue Bird Green Bird, and so forth! And YOU were the one trying to destroy cheese! HyperToad
See Walazo, there this secret thing called REDIRECTS! Redirect can help give info on Pauline's Items without using pointless articles. HyperToad
Thank MarioGalaxy, we know that. Also, not everything has to redirect, just some. Also, please go to the main page's talk. HyperToad
Yoshi and Wario entriesput these entries in primary lists 8-0 Proposer: RAP (talk) Include the Yoshi and Wario entries in those primary lists
Make a list for Yoshi and Wario entries seperatelyCommentsTalking about Donkey Kong Characters etc.? Considering that Crossover (a.k.a. Smash Bros.) characters are already included in the "mainstream" lists, it's a bit inconvenient. But it is here. - Cobold (talk) 05:35, 27 January 2008 (EST) Maybe it's because I'm reading this at 3am, but I'm not seeing the problem. If they are missing from lists, add them. Don't need a proposal for that. -- Chris 06:07, 27 January 2008 (EST) Sadly some people don't tend to add the other types of entries into those lists just because they belong to the Yoshi series or even the Wario series. RAP (talk) And besides, I think SoS perviously suggested spliting up into other lists, and sofourth with my conversion... Source - Talk:Places Correct Operator Systemkeep separated power groups 4-10 But now? Ever since I stepped down, no one has returned to 190 (Xze should have), and though 100s are valid, "back-up" non-sysops are now receiving 100s also, because, as the Big P declares "the chat is separate from the wiki." To that I give a polite "no." I'm sorry, Steve, but the chat has been on this wiki for almost a year now. <10% are forum-only users. And now, there are three non-sysops with auto-op powers, one of which I am extremely questionable about, with no consensus from us. As the only person >100 now, Steve, not RAP (who's in chat quite often) or Cobold, is making all the decisions, and as such the chat has been quite a mess for at least a month now, if not more. I understand with more people the chat is harder to control – now 15 people on a weekday is not uncommon. But we had 10 people on spring nights, probably 15 on summer nights too, and everything couldn't have been better. Now, it really couldn't be much worse. Thus I propose the following:
Proposer: Wayoshi Sysops are Ops, No One Else
Keep Separated Power Groups
CommentsBefore I get any complaints / flames, this is NOT a cheap way for me to return to an operator rank. Note that by the proposal if I go awry in chat again, I will also lose something I covet very much: maintaining & improving this wiki with my powers here. This could very well fall flat, but I feel it necessary to finally get a consensus; it's high time we put all disputes of chat to rest. Wayoshi (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2008 (EST)
Let it be noted that you already made this, Wayoshi. It failed, remember? ChaosNinji (talk) I feel that there should be another answerAlphaclaw11read my comment where i voted What if the active Sysops were to take a vote before the creation of any back-up operator? That seems fair, considering you said that the back-ups were created without consensus. ChaosNinji (talk) I disagree about not giving Patroller OP rights. Patrollers are chosen for their trust-worthyness and their activity, much like sysops are. The power given to the Patrollers is already rather dubious. Limiting their powers even further is rather ludicrous. I agree with the rest, thought. Blitzwing (talk) Ghost Jam, although I know your way too stubborn to change you're mind on this, I must point out that several Sysops have been proven to not be reliable chat ops AT ALL(Wayoshi, You, and Paper Jorge), and that there are many normal chat users that would be much more fit for the op job than such people. I'm not saying that all the sysops shouldn't be chat ops, or that I am superior to the sysops in any way because I'm an op on chat. Also, Porplemontage himself promoted me to back-up op status, and when Pokemon DP asked why he responded that he trusts me. If you don't believe me, go ask DP or Porple. Uniju :D (talk) I disagree, with what you said about demoting ops along with sysop powers, because a good buddy of mine (Paper Jorge) doesn't really set a good example of being an OP (he doesn't curse or flame, but he does spam), however Paper Jorge is a great sysop on the wiki. And another great example is you Wayoshi, who could not be trusted on chat but could be trusted on the wiki. So if an OP demotion (hypothetically) happened to Pokemon DP in chat, we would also lose a great sysop. I think of the relation of our chat/forum to the wiki like this: the Wiki influences the chat/forum, but the forum/chat does not influence the wiki.Knife (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2008 (EST) Latest Appearanceuse latest released appearance 21-1 Proposer: Stumpers (talk) (writer) and Master Crash (talk) (advice) Put the Latest Released Appearance
Put the Latest Announced Appearance
CommentsI don't believe that this was needed to be a proposal, but it DID have to be delt with. HyperToad
I was just starting to wonder if my name makes people combative... guess it does... :*( Does it? Toadette, my responce to your position is that some games are cancled, etc. Plus, how do you know which future release to put there? Sometimes there are more than one appearance scheduled as TBA or TBA 2009, etc. Anyway, my apologies for all of the trouble that you and other users have had with this arguement. Stumpers (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2008 (EST) Yeah, they're really gonna remove Mario/Luigi/Peach/Bowser from a misc. game. See? You can't stump me. Toadette 4evur 17:04, 3 February 2008 (EST) ps- I didn't mean for you to think your username is combative, sorry. Stumpers, when it comes to future releases, you can just contact the companies when the game is waiting to be released about any questions you have regaurding the release date. Toadette 4evur 17:08, 3 February 2008 (EST)
Toadette: Thanks for letting me know that it's your catchphrase. You are right about removing characters, but the thing is that until the economic quarter games are going to be released in, their release is still up in the air -- either to be jumbled or to be canceled entirely. It seems like we're just asking for confusion and controversy when we put down a game that is labeled "Q4 2008" instead of another game also labeled "Q4 2008". Just as a side note, you were talking about events already having happened or happening right now, etc. The thing is, the release of games has nothing to do with that. Think about Yoshi's Island DS. We've had it as Baby Mario's latest appearance since the game came out, right? But, the events of YIDS happened before those of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Yet, YIDS is the latest appearance. Latest appearance has nothing to do with game timelines or what is happening in the world right now or anything like that because the timeline is messy that way. It would be weird to assume that YIDS didn't happen until it was announced in the real world, right? Stumpers (talk) 21:35, 3 February 2008 (EST) Hey, Stooben Rooben, that isn't a bad idea. Toadette 4evur 17:15, 6 February 2008 (EST) *Could we do that?*
The Centurion articlemerge 7-3 Proposer: Blitzwing (talk) Merge Centurion with Palutena Army
Keep Separate
CommentsWalkazo: Yep. --Blitzwing 17:30, 1 February 2008 (EST)
On a similar note, wouldn't we also want to merge articles like Waddle Dee, Waddle Doo and Gordo with Waddle Dee Toss - Kamicciolo
Difficultyremove difficulty section 18-1 Proposer: GreenKoopa Support
OpposeCommentsFly Guy 2: Ehheheheh, I athought the speed run Prankster Comet in Good Egg galaxy was actually harder than the Dreadnaught galaxy. See? The whole difficulty thing is all opinion. --Blitzwing 20:51, 12 February 2008 (EST) Well, then Blitz is odd. Oh and we should RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVLY. Fly Guy 2 (talk) I have a comment- ITS ALL OPINION. Lets say you think... world 1-1 in SMB is easy, but I think its relativly difficult. Whos right? NEITHER OF US, FG2. If you are at a bad skill level, you will think a level is difficult. If your super-good, it might be easy. GreenKoopa PS: SNUFIT BALL DOES NOT NEED TO BE RECREATED AGGRESIVLY. One thing we could do is to do a vote on the difficulty of all the levels, and then say the "estimated difficulty" is whatever. This would be rather long and hard, though... InfectedShroom (talk) Main Article Templatedon't use template in those cases 2-11 Proposer: Stooben Rooben (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsOf course, we could easily create a "see also" template which does the same as the Main Article template with different text: "See also". However, this shouldn't be overused, especially when the article of the game is linked in the text anyway. - Cobold (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2008 (EST) You know what I think we should do? Mabybe we should only do what the proposal said if the character is the main character in the game. For example, for the Paper Mario section in the Mario article should have the main article template, but not in, say, Bowser's article. The part of Peach's article about Super Princess Peach would have a main article template, but not in Mario's article. What do you guys think? CrystalYoshi (talk) Then Mario's article still would be full of templates. He has more than 15 games of his own. --PaperStriker 08:09, 12 February 2008 (EST)
Forget it. And Toadette, Stop being so mean to Time Q he had the right to his own OPINION!!! (Even if it was the wrong opinion.) CrystalYoshi (talk)
LETS RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVELYkeep wiki unaggressively snufit-ball-free 2-12 Proposer: Fly_Guy_2 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentIs this worthy of another Proposal? We already had one related to the Snufit Ball article, and it was decided to NOT make the article. Pokemon DP (talk)
Pokemon DP: Actually, there is no conscensus on the Snufit Ball since I deleted the proposal before it could pass (It was winning 3-1, BTW). No opinion on this proposal, thought. Blitzwing (talk) The fact that this was meant to be a joke, that it was badly done, or the fact that Fly Guy 2 made it shouldn't get in the way of people voting. ._. Uniju :D (talk)
Er, InfectedShroom, I believe that Wiki was made by Snufit Ball-crazed fans from this Wiki, made simply as a joke. Pokemon DP (talk)
What you guys will say about? Mario's Shirt. It doesn't affect gameplay at all. Shroobario (talk) GO SNUFIT BALL!
Different characterskeep articles merged 1-14 Proposer: KingMario (talk) Support
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Uuh, KingMario, aren't you going to vote for your own proposal?! Glitchman (talk) WAIT JUST A DARN MINUTE!!! If we have certain "double" articles, why does every obscure game get an article? Why don't we mege those too. Characters are just as inportant as games. HyperToad
huntercrunch You see, Hyper Toad, Two characters who have barely any info in them should be merged. Hotel Mario, for example, has enough info to stay separate. Characters aren't as important as games. Characters are PART of the games. Actually, we could have something like "List of minor characters in the Mario series" or something to that effect.
Birdosplit into character and species 14-0 What it comes down to is this: is there ample evidence to conclude that a character named "Birdo" exists in the Super Mario franchise? For Toad and Yoshi, the policy has been that when a game, TV show, or otherwise specificially refers to a character by name, it constituted mention in the character article. (ie. "Bowser kidnapped Peach and Toad," rather than simply "Bowser kidnapped Peach and a Toad,"). Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Support (Split)
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All right, you guys needn't worry about length: writing just one section of the history (based on the Super Show episode, "Toad Warriors," and the intro, its already 1837 characters long, not including species infobox. Stumpers (talk) 21:04, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Comment 4 Comment 5 Also as for the idea that any Birdo who attacks Mario or Luigi is a bad Birdo and therefore not the actual Birdo, is probably untrue due to the events in Super star Saga. Where Birdo helps then for a short time hinders Mario and his brother, she then also goes on to say that she plans to become a super star hinting that she will appear in future games trying to gain fans, this could perhaps imply that the sports titles Birdo is one in the same (Also this could simply show a part of her personality, meaning she is open to helping but, no above hindering when it serves her needs). A confusing issue of the Birdo character is Super Mario Strikers, in other games Birdo's large diamond ring has been described as her pride and joy yet, in this game all the Birdos wore one. I'd suggest that the ring was invented so to make it easier to identify the Birdo character from her species, and the appearance of the diamond ring on other characters of her species was just perhaps laziness, a mistake or over sight by game designers in this case. I also doubt every Birdo ever born considers a diamond ring it prized possession. Also as mentioned by other users Birdo is one of the few species based characters to have a physical trait added, as Yoshi hasn't but is accepted as an separate character and neither has Toad (although the Toad character has been slightly replaced by other characters more recently, but, that's for another time.) Also it has recently been shown that Birdo has the ability to incase others and herself in eggs for protection, which could perhaps even prove that the Birdo working for Valentina in Mario RPG is also her simply in some kind of defense mode (the fact she emerges fully grown from said egg may also back this up as the eggs she otherwise produces are considerably smaller). Also noting that she claims not wanting to destroy Mario and company as they are too cute hinting to the fact that Birdo may no be clean cut good or evil (similar to Wario who is known to be and friend and foe) and perhaps from past experiences with them as grown somewhat fond of them. It appears also that Birdo is somewhat lovelorn, working only with Popple because she believes she loves him, perhaps her employment as an enemy or friend could be hypothesized as either going from infatuation to infatuation or working as some kind of gun for hire as Birdo seems to be buyable when offered the right reward. Sadly this point is a slightly weaker one as it has never been revealed as to why Birdo was working for Wart or Valentina (although a infatuation is possible with Wart it is not proven, but with both these villains Birdo could simply be preferring to be the right hand of evil rather then being in it's way, this is however speculation) I have still however included this point in my rantings as it is something to consider that is it completely possible that THE Birdo has no side alignment and the sports games Birdo and in her other appearances has been shown to crave attention, maybe showing that all these Birdos encountered are one in the same. Any way before I write an essay she needs to be split to allow for documentation of her personality better (as it is at the moment being neglected), individual powers and abilities outside of her species normal traits and to better keep track of her future and past appearances. Although concern has been shown about the length of the Birdo article I am not concerned as there is a bit of information around e.g. we know all Birdos can shoot eggs, that despite only so far seeing what we assume are "female" Birdo's we know they are physically very strong and so forth. It's just a task of seeing what facts can be given to both Birdo the character and Birdo the species and then adding to each over time as more information is at hand. Did I write too much? (there are a few more little things but, I'll stop. Apologies.) Despot_joil (talk) LOLCatsdon't remove images 1-12 Proposer: Jdrowlands (talk) Remove
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CommentsCrossover Species Pagecreate list 5-4 Proposer: Pokemon DP (talk) Create a Crossover Species List
Don't Create a Crossover Species List
CommentsI'm all in favor, as long as it DOESN'T GET CARRIED OVER TO MARIO SPECIES. This Wik was made so every character and enemy, great or small, gets its own article. 3Dejong (talk) HOO HOO
Me and Stumpers listed a few Crossover species here, if anyone is curious. Pokemon DP (talk)
Hey 3D Ejong, what about the Pokemon characters huh? They were merged into 1 big Pokemon article. (Actually I don't like that. Super mario fan (talk) Let's get this squared away. Let me know what you think: we won't be merging Re-Deads and such. This article is only for the addition of material. It would be something like this: Hedgehog -- Hedgehogs are a species of humanoid animal from the Sonic universe. They are brightly colored with spines. All hedgehogs are fast, although Sonic and Shadow are the fastest. Notable Hedgehogs: Sonic, Shadow, Amy Rose (trophy). Stumpers (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
Final Smash Trophy Informationkeep info on character pages 1-8 Proposer: Garlic Man (talk) No Trophy info on Character pages
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CommentsWhy can't we just keep that info there and put a link to the final smash? InfectedShroom (talk) How do you unlock the Final Smash trophies anyway? Via All-Star mode? --Trogga 15:13, 14 March 2008 (EDT
Pokémon stuffkeep list 3-9 Proposer: Super mario fan (talk) Deadline: March 20, 2008, 17:00 EST Seperate Articles
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CommentsThe thing is, unlike other crossover species there are tonnes of Pokémon and as this is the MarioWiki they'd be out of place. Plus it'd be inconveniant to navigate all the short little articles, wheras one large article is perfectly fine for the amount of info that can be expected about Pokémon here. If you want to read about the different species in detail, go to Bulbapedia. - Walkazo I'm just talking about the Pokemon in the Smash Bros. series. Super mario fan (talk)
This is the MarioWiki, not a PokemonWiki. As such, too many Pokemon articles would make this a rather less Mariowiki place. I continue this tomorrow. MegaMario9910 (talk) Anyways. This wiki is about Mario, not Pokemon. Too many Pokemon articles would wreck the site. Keeping them merged is best. MegaMario9910 (talk) Yeah MegaMario has a good point. CrystalYoshi (talk) Thanks, there, man. MegaMario9910 (talk) There IS a reason Bulbapedia exists. Toadette 4evur (talk) Erm... If it's a Mariowiki, in which no pokemon have a place then please explain why every other thing in the SSB series gets an article EVEN THE MOVES!?! HyperToad ...Assist Trophies? MegaMario9910 (talk) Even though I'm a heck of a big Pokemon fan, I don't wanna see ALL of these articles of Pokemon!
Pokemonfan7002: You being a fan of pokemon doesn't give you a reason for voting. If you think pokemon artices do have enough to do with Mario to belong on MarioWiki, that's different. CrystalYoshi (talk) |