User talk:Toadette the Achiever/Archive 2

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STATUS: Somewhat active due to work.

Current projects:

  • Creating articles on all archived Saturday Supercade content related to Mario
  • Creating articles on certain Paper Mario: Sticker Star Scraps (which are technically key items)
  • Raise Hotel Mario to featured status
  • Raise Odyssey to featured status

Finished projects:

  • Created articles on Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker levels
  • Created articles on Super Mario Maker sample levels
  • Created articles on Yoshi's Woolly World / Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World main levels
  • Created articles on Super Mario Sunshine bonus episodes
  • Helped create articles on Super Mario Galaxy 2 missions
  • Created articles on Super Mario Run levels
  • Created articles on Super Mario Maker event courses
  • Created articles on Super Mario Maker official courses
  • Created articles on Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze levels
  • Created articles on Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam missions
  • Created articles on Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door missions
  • Created articles on Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle main levels
  • Created articles on Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle main challenges
  • Created articles on Minion Quest: The Search For Bowser missions
  • Created articles on Mario & Luigi: Dream Team key items
  • Created articles on Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! levels
  • Created articles on Hotel Mario levels
  • Improved articles on all Yoshi's Safari levels

Next projects:

  • Possibly create articles on all remaining WarioWare: D.I.Y. microgames
SIDE NOTE: Some forum talk is allowed, as long as it specifically counts toward improving pages, edits, and/or behavior. Thank you. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever
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Scrap articles[edit]

If you're planning to create articles for the Sticker Star scraps, I would suggest going down a similar path to that of the Odyssey missions and only create articles for the ones that Mario picks up at one location (and the "You got the [scrap]!" prompt pops up) and places in another. Scraps that Mario simply peels off, keeps in his scrapbook for a brief moment before putting it back on in the correct orientation at the same spot are not worth making pages for. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:38, 23 January 2018 (EST)

I don't know if you missed this or anything, but I'd like to draw your attention to my post here. At the very least a talk page discussion on this should be held first. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:48, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
It seemed to me though that you're planning to create articles for all of them, judging by the links you added and kept on the sticker page and {{PMSS}}, not to mention the Decalburg Fountain falls under the kind of scraps I advised against creating articles for. Since others might have different points, it's always a good idea to get some consensus (or even start a proposal if it's a major change or the opinions are divided enough) before going ahead with something like this, like, "Should the scraps get articles, and if so, which ones?" Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 09:31, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
One thing at a time. Talk it out first.
Come to think of it, I don't even know why the scraps are on the same page since they're not stickers. Either way, I don't think a separate page for paperised scraps is necessary if they can be summarised on the main list itself. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 08:24, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

M+R Buttons[edit]

It's perfectly fine to use the button images and information from the manual, considering the information would be more official than what we can provide on our own. It would also be more accurate and represents the in game material. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:06, 23 January 2018 (EST)

If there's an error in the description, it can be noted, but otherwise there isn't a need to have both.
These buttons aren't going to be used on every page, just the Mario + Rabbids. Considering that, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be there (the images we have for the Switch controls need some help, anyway). Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:18, 23 January 2018 (EST)
Easier, sure, but where's the fun in that? Perhaps I'll take it up with the others then, as you're right, there is no policy for this. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:43, 23 January 2018 (EST)
If we have access to the official in-game button graphics, I don't see anything wrong with using them. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 02:02, 24 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Restoration[edit]

That's reserved for functions and features that would be worth keeping around for future reference. I don't see the use in keeping this empty category for the sake of leaving the notice on it. It's not really "abandoned" altogether, either; just replaced with Category:To be deleted. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 21:20, 25 January 2018 (EST)

Not really a reference? This looks similar.[edit]

MarioPokeypinball.png Homing_Thistle2.png Palutena SSB4.pngLucina SSB4.pngMusic Video 123 (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Spherical cacti with flowers on them exist in the real world, so it's just a coincidence. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)


It's no big thing. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 08:43, 3 February 2018 (EST)


First of all, that is not how you alert an admin of vandal attacks. It's part of the administration's job to instantly revert such edits upon sight, so obvious I would have known if I had seen it. Unfortunately, I wasn't online to see it, despite my name appearing on WhosOnline on the Recent Changes (and stayed there longer than usual for reason). And no, the username doesn't need to be renamed as it isn't inappropriate. Good night. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 09:16, 3 February 2018 (EST)

FA template[edit]

Your template looks good! I think we could use it to ease archiving FA nominations. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:10, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Mario vs. DK levels[edit]

While I am not actively editing anymore, I do lurk the site quite frequently and I have seen your progress. Good job bringing these levels from Mini-Land Mayhem onto the wiki! Hope to see more things like this in the future. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 16:23, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Just Wanted To Speak.[edit]

Hey, are You able To Talk? User:LUIGIRULES71 LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 23:10, 9 February 2018 (EST)

Sockpuppets page[edit]

Can I ask what the purpose for this page is, and whether you asked permission to create it? It looks like you're just listing and describing each sockpuppet in a similar vein to a Userpedia page, and it seems like a good way to provoke sockpuppets if they come across it. If you intend to keep track of sockpuppets for a future proposal or something, please keep it off-site. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 18:53, 13 February 2018 (EST)

"Nothing has been brought up since the last proposal"[edit]

Incorrect, according to an edit summary from Link-the-Lefty, it was discovered that a similar Chuck Cunningham'd enemy, Blargg, has its Japanese name used for a similar later enemy (Magmarrgh), which itself has a different official Japanese name. And they're not merged. That alone is precedence and reason to split the Moles for consistency. In fact, the moles are even more different from each other than the lunging lava dinosaurs are. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2018 (EST)

And you outright stated incorrect information in your extended argument. Blargg and Magmarrgh attack exactly the same (hiding under surface of lava with only their eyes visible, then lunging out, mouth open, upon approach), while the moles are nothing alike in that regard. So the lava creatures are even closer to each other than this. Also, using a cartoon to back you up regarding elements from games is laughably silly. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
I have now, it's hard to do so when I was typing that out when you posted it. Either way, using a boss flunky is flawed per Big Pokey. There is not enough evidence saying these moles are the same! And a ton of information saying they're different! The only reason for them to be merged is a flawed idea of convenience! Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)
Like I said before, that comparison doesn't work, as this has never been "Kyodai Choropu," "Deka Choropu," "Biggu Choropu," "Atomikku Choropu," et cetera. Neither was intended as simply a "big" counterpart; that didn't exist until Star Rush for Monty. Rather, these are extra-changed permutations thereof, akin to Banzai Bill vs. its more generic counterpart, the Big Bullet Bill, or to Tub-O-Troopa vs. the more generic Colossal Koopa Paratroopa. Both names are completely different from the various "large" addendum-using ones: "Indy" seems random, while "Goropu" makes a pun on an earthquake rumbling sound. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2018 (EST)
I never said "generic subject," I said that neither are simply an enlarged version, which is what the case for the various "Big Goombas" and "Big Boos" is. These are completely different from each other: look completely different, act completely different, are named completely different, and have completely different weaknesses! This is not a case like Big Goomba where one of those categories may be different and the rest be the same, this is a case where all of the above are different! The only thing even putting forth the smallest suggestion that there's even a direct relation is a file name, which leaves even less similarities than Blargg and Magmmaargh or Moneybag and Coin Coffer! Saying there is enough room to call them the same requires pure speculation, while listing them as separate uses caution and reservation, which is the best thing to do when there's no explicit official word. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2018 (EST)
They have different names, neither of which are a simple rewording (ie the "giant" to "big"). Also, they are physically very different, to the point that calling them the same is less likely than saying Boss Bass and Big Cheep Cheep are the same (as Boss Bass was originally "Kyodai Pukupuku," or Giant Cheep Cheep.) It's best to be cautious and list significantly-different things as different rather than lump them together, as that requires more speculation (ie, how it was "redesigned" and "retooled" and things like that). I prefer to be cautious and not list things together based off of potential red herrings. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Level Image Widths[edit]

I see you creating articles with images with a 250px width. Instead of 250px, do 256px, since that is the width of a Nintendo DS screen. Also do so for NES/SNES (256px), GB/GBC (160px), and GBA (240px). The blur or pixelization will go away, depending on if the specified width is smaller or bigger than the source image. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 00:08, 22 February 2018 (EST)


Thanks for fixing that!
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 10:46, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Level disambiguations[edit]

Thanks for creating Level 1-5 and Level 1-6 disambiguation pages, I complete forgot about them. However, only Tipping Stars have a seventh and eighth level, so Level 1-7 and Level 1-8 should be the levels themselves. Mario vs. Donkey Kong instead uses Level 1-mm and Level 1-DK, which I will create tomorrow hopefully. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:37, 8 March 2018 (EST)


Please stop acting discourteous on the Super Mario Wiki. This isn't a warning, and it's possible that you made a mistake by accident or without realizing it; this is simply a reminder for your information. If the action continues, then a warning will be issued. Thanks for reading and keep contributing.
If this reminder was not issued by an administrator and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.

Your responses here were out of line. Having this sort of overbearing and impatient attitude in talk discussions and on the wiki in general is entirely unacceptable, especially towards the proprietor. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 19:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)

"Punctuation included in proper nouns is usually ignored.'[edit]

Under what style guide? The Chicago Manual of Style and the APA Style both say to exclude periods when the title already contains a punctuation mark, and the wiki's says nothing about it. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:08, 9 March 2018 (EST)


I'm offended by this libelous usage of my intellectual property. Please pay me dividends of five Brozoufs for the next three exocycles if you intend to go forward with that proposal.

[Yeah it's similar but I'm flattered more than anything and beside, I'm ripped off people consciously [and probably unconsciously] during my wiki years. You're fine.] --Glowsquid (talk) 20:33, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Rotating Magnet Stick[edit]

There is actually a Magnet Rod article that exists, which seems to be referring to the object that makes the Minis stick to walls and ceilings. It's possible the name "Rotating Magnet Sticks" was changed to "Magnet Rods" in Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! or whoever created the Magnet Rod article got the two objects confused. I don't have a source for the name, as I don't actually own any of the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games. I think you should try asking Lord Bowser if he owns any of the games and has any more info, as he created the Magnet Rod article. And as for "Magnet Blocks", Magnetic Block exists, which refers to the place-able blocks that resemble Pink Blocks. (Magnet Block exists as well but it refers to an unrelated block in Yoshi's Island DS.) Sorry if this didn't really help. LuigiMaster123Icon.png LuigiMaster123 22:32, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

Considering that Tipping Stars is their most recent appearance, I think that would be a good idea. LuigiMaster123Icon.png LuigiMaster123 22:41, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Foreign names[edit]

No I hadn't forgotten, getting the names would require playing through the game from the beginning, since the objective titles don't appear again after you complete them, and I don't really feel like doing that right now. At best I can probably find the Japanese names on YouTube since they're fairly easy to find; Chinese names less so. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:47, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

RE:Draft proposal[edit]

You brought up some pretty good points, thank you for expanding upon my proposal. You have one supporter! -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 17:01, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

The Proposal is neat, but apparently, I see some flaws. First, currently Cosmic Adventure is not listed in the Outer Space Locations Category, so that can't exactly be used as it is not part of the category. And changing the category just so that a few (not sure how many) can be add doesn't sound that convincing. Second, all of the entries in the current category fits the bill of Outer Space and I am not seeing any that would not. And of those that are partially in Outer Space are still good because they have another category besides. Third, the only Rainbow Roads that are in space are all except SNES, GBA, and GCN, which those except SNES, which doesn't have a category, have the Sky category. Third, besides Cosmic Adventure, I am not sure if the new definition would benefit the wiki. This is even after looking at Wikipedia. Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario. This is without any definition changes. Finally, even though I don't know what deep space actually means, there is a series call Deep Space Nine, which is part of the Star Trek franchise. And the Star Trek franchise is adventures that take place in outer space with the occasional inclusion of Earth. And space is in deep space. So, this two-sided argument shows that it is in outer space. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
"Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario."
I hope this will be said for the last time: the outer space is only the big void/vacuum/nothing between celestial bodies. What exactly makes Mario's planet more distinct from other planets in that sense? Why is Moon Kingdom in the outer space, but the Mushroom Kingdom not? Both are just as much in outer space as Yoshi Village and Luigi's Mansion are in the opean ocean.
"Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario."
in context of Mario only. It is the same as the definition with Earth, but since it is Mario, it is his home planet. Our moon is in Outer Space even though it is very close to Earth. Also, this is going by the second definition on the Wikipedia site. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
@Toadette: I do start to believe the "Cosmic" definition wouldn't be very accurate either. Paying more attention to the term, it seems to define a range of objects in the universe that is just as big as the outer space's. We should go with something like "Alien Locations". Yeah, this should fit the bill. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 18:01, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

(reply) 1. Good point. But, try doing research before trying to include it in proposals. 2. For World 9 in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it is above all worlds (which includes a sky/cloud world). Superstar Road has been already explained. Moon Kingdom is part of the Moon. 3. Star Trek is a secondary logic that shows that deep space refers to outer space. As for banning the generic terms, outer space does have gameplay and story for some, but for all is hard to judge. Bonus 1. I thought you looked it up on Wikipedia. Where, it is whatever you provided then. Bonus 2. After some thinking, I have a suggestion. I think that it should be named simply Space Locations (to go with the Space Category) and/or change the line of Outer Space Category to match that of the other general location categories. This is the best that I can come up with besides Cosmic. If Cosmic is better than Space, then it effects the Space category as well. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Mini-Land Mayhem[edit]

Taking a break from the Outer Space discussion, I have to ask you: do you own Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem? If you have it, could you please check the info I added so far in its article? I'm referring to the gameplay section and I am most interested in knowing your opinion on the Construction Zone section. I haven't played the game myself, having based my writing on gameplay videos and my experience with Tipping Stars, which is a very similar game. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 09:42, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Added, thank you! Feel free to correct inaccuracies. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 16:19, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

I decided to ask you since you have the game. Where or when does this music play in Mini-Land Mayhem? -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 10:02, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Hotel Mario levels[edit]

Since all of the levels of each world (hotel) are simply titled Stage 1, 2 etc. as opposed to something more distinctive like Stage 1-1, Stage 2-1 etc., that would make six Hotel Mario pages of the same stage number, too many to fit into an {{about}} template, so I'd say the current Stage 1 to 4 pages should be turned into disambiguation pages in that case. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 05:48, 24 March 2018 (EDT)

Your 1up Toad Proposal[edit]

Hey, can you change it to be multi-option to give an option for simply moving the info to the 1-Up Mushroom article? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks ^-^ Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:16, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Stub[edit]

Please review the second verse of the message i made which clarify the deletion. Alien Bunny Sprite.pngL151Onnanoko transparent WC98.png

This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (undermining admin authority (telling an admin what to do)) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site.
If this warning was not issued by an administrator and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.

Not a fan of your message to L151, specifically your final line "In the future, I recommend you judge whether a short article has effort put into it before deleting it as a stub." This tone is unacceptable, as you were already reminded once about. Asking questions or voicing a concern is fine, but outright telling an admin to change their behavior is a violation of courtesy. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:15, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

I myself noticed far too much emphasis in certain places, creating a very petulant tone. Probably ought to hold back on that specifically as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

"get into"[edit]

Ehhh, I wouldn't say it's "colloquial." It's not the most formal way of saying it, but it's nothing along the lines of slang, jargon, or a figure of speech. It's a tense-altered version of the word "go" followed by a generic descriptor, and as such is more of a quick and simple manner of stating a point. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros Microgames[edit]

It's not an about template. It's a piece of info noting that the basis game's resources were used multiple times in the game, which is some interesting information, IMHO. Keeping it out would be like not mentioning Waluigi on Wario's Mario Tennis 64 section. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Rocky Wrench[edit]

The name of Monty Mole in Japanese seems to translate to "Poo that darts around." If official nomenclature isn't enough to say that something is based off of something else, nothing is. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

Re:Goomba Switch[edit]

The closest that the guide comes to an official name is the following line: "Coax down the icicle at the foot of the small platform holding a Goomba button, then use the top of the fallen ice as a step." (Snow Kingdom: Mario's Itinerary tab of the eGuide; can't access my physical guide atm). All other references are completely generic, i.e. variations on "the switch" or "the button". Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:55, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

"Goomba button" is the closest we'll get to a concrete name, so sure. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:01, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
I'll be inconvenienced soon, but I'll update it when I can. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:03, 26 April 2018 (EDT)


While I appreciate the support here, popping in just to say "I agree with the admin" isn't necessary. It can make the user feel like they're being ganged up on, for example. To quote MarioWiki:Courtesy: "Getting yourself involved when the admins have it covered just makes their jobs harder: if they're on the scene, stay out of it." Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 16:50, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Donkey Kong Country photograph sections[edit]

They may not need the "only"... but do they need the "(Game Boy Advance)" suffix at all? I think a nicer presentation might be tooltipped text saying "Photographs are only found in the Game Boy Advance version of Donkey Kong Country" or always including a wikilink to Photograph in those sections. --The Retro Gamer 17:57, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

I don't necessarily think the "only" is unnecessary. If it just says "Game Boy Advance version", one may be led to wonder why there isn't a section on the photographs in the SNES version. --The Retro Gamer 18:32, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Re: Comments on Porplemontage's talk[edit]

I'm a bit confused by your comment "since it seems to be the only major change The Retro Gamer hasn't really discussed with you" on Steve's talk. It seems to be a slight misunderstanding of our previous discussion, and a strange way to frame your question. While I have no problem with Steve offering his opinion, proposals are already a public forum of sorts where changes can be discussed and dissected, so I don't think it was necessary to bring me into it personally. --The Retro Gamer 16:07, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

You've asked Porplemontage (talk) several times to give his opinion on proposals and talk pages. Based on how you have these discussions worded, it seem like you're trying to get him to sway the conversation in your favor. Talk:Bub is a peculiar example, where you posted a question and then went to Steve to get his own opinion. One of them wasn't even about your own proposal, and the same goes for the current proposal. There's no need to drag the proprietor into these conversations that are supposed to be solved by the community. The top of his talk page even says not to bother him unless there's a serious issue involved with the wiki coding. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 16:08, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Luigi's Girlfriend vandal[edit]

The vandal publicly asked on their Twitter for people to assist them. It should probably stay protected for at least a while. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

@Doc I understand you're trying to help, but I'd appreciate it if you leave admin-related questions for admins to answer. But yes, having a large following, she did publicly ask users including those who may be autoconfirmed to help her, so the protection still stands.
Also, any admin is required to step in should a mistake be made. Level of involvement is completely irrelevant. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 03:34, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
No, I don't see why we need to acknowledge the tweet in the reasoning. It's fine as it is. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 08:22, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Re: Recent log deletion[edit]

It's nothing to be concern about, also let this older message continue to be a reminder for you. Don't attempt to continue this attitude, unless it deeply concerns the Wiki and the policies. Alien Bunny Sprite.pngL151Onnanoko transparent WC98.png

Children's Television Act[edit]

1989 is not in the 1960s. Still doesn't need to be added, probably. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

More Minion Quest Missions[edit]

Hi, hate to bother ya, but I found a couple more missions that appear after using the Goomba, Koopa Troopa, and Boo amiibos to unlock the gold versions of Captain Goomba, Captain Koopa Troopa, and Captain Boo. Trust me. They’re literally official. Here are the courses in order.

  • Goombas Galore from Hoohoo Mountain. (1st battle: 8 Goombas. 2nd battle: 7 Goomba Towers, 1 Gold Beanie.)
  • Oh, Hi, Shy Guy! from Beanbean Outskirts. (1st battle: 2 Fly Guys, 6 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 6 Fly Guys, 2 Shy Guys.)
  • Shell Brigade, Move Out! from Beanbean Outskirts. (1st battle: 3 Koopa Troopas, 4 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 1 Red Koopa Paratroopa. 2nd battle: 3 Koopa Troopas, 5 Red Koopa Paratroopas.)
  • Captain Goomba Trial (Gold) from Chucklehuck Woods, which only makes it to where the gold version of Captain Goomba is the only one fighting. (1st battle: 7 Tanoombas, 1 Rex. 2nd battle: 7 Beanies, 1 Clumph. 3rd battle: 1 Gold Beanie.)
  • Shy Guy Goes Overboard from Chucklehuck Woods. (1st battle: 5 Fly Guys, 3 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 4 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys. 3rd battle: 2 Fly Guys, 6 Spear Guys.)
  • King of the Boos from Chucklehuck Woods. (1st battle: 5 Boos, 3 Big Boos. 2nd battle: 4 Boos, 4 Big Boos.)
  • The Power of Koopa Troopas from Gwarhar Lagoon. (1st battle: 2 Koopa Troopas, 3 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 3 Starkisses. 2nd battle: 3 Elite Pestnuts, 2 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 2 Starkisses, 1 Koopa Troopa. 3rd battle: 2 Spinies, 3 Red Koopa Paratroopas, 3 Starkisses.)
  • A Gaggle of Goombas from Gwarhar Lagoon. (1st battle: 6 Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 2nd battle: 3 Goombas, 3 Goomba Towers, 2 Paragoombas. 3rd battle: 5 Goomba Towers, 3 Paragoombas.)
  • Captain Koopa Troopa Trial (Gold) from Gwarhar Lagoon. This mission consists of only the gold version of Captain Koopa Troopa fighting. (1st battle: A single Elite Troopea that constantly plays a variety of rounds of Pass the Bob-omb.)
  • A Goomba Tail from Teehee Valley. (1st battle: 4 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 2nd battle: 4 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 3rd battle: 2 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 4 Paragoombas.)
  • A Muster of Masks from Teehee Valley. (1st battle: 4 Fly Guys, 3 Shy Guys, 1 Bandit. 2nd battle: 4 Fly Guys. 3 Bandits, 1 Shy Guy. 3rd battle: 3 Fly Guys, 2 Bandits, 3 Shy Guys.)
  • Captain Boo Trial (Gold) from Joke’s End, where the gold version of Captain Boo fights solely. (1st battle: 3 Ice Snifits, 1 Elite Limbo Bro. 2nd battle: 4 Mechakoopas, 1 Piranha Bean.)
  • Boo Party! from Jokes’s End. (1st battle: 2 Bomb Boos, 6 Boos. 2nd battle: 2 Boos, 6 Tail Boos. 3rd battle: 3 Boos, 5 Bomb Boos. 4th battle: 3 Boos, 2 Bomb Boos, 3 Big Boos.)
  • Shy Guy Barrage from Joke’s End. (1st battle: 1 Fly Guy, 3 Bandits, 4 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 2 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys, 2 Shy Guys. 3rd battle: 4 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys.)
  • The Beastly Bean Battalion from Bowser’s Castle, which the battle background is used from Believe in Bowser. (1st battle: 1 Rex, 1 Elite Chuck Guy, 1 Beanie, 1 Elite Pestnut, 2 Paratroopeas, 1 Piranha Bean, 1 Mecha-Fawful X. 2nd battle: 1 Gritty Goomba, 1 Sharpea, 3 Scaratroopeas, 2 Starkisses, 1 Mecha-Fawful Y. 3rd battle: 1 Limbo Bro, 1 Tanoomba, 1 Parabeanie, 4 Fuzzbushes, 1 Mecha-Fawful Z. 4th battle: 1 Elite Limbo Bro, 2 Beanies, 1 Troopea, 2 Lakipeas, 1 Beanerang Bro, 1 Mecha-Fawful X. 5th battle: 1 Clumph, 1 Elite Troopea, 2 Paratroopeas, 1 Scaratroopea, 2 Ice Snifits, 1 Mecha-Fawful Y. 6th battle: 1 Pestnut, 1 Chuck Guy, 1 Paratrooper, 2 Piranha Beans, 1 Starkiss, 1 Beanerang Bro, 1 Mecha-Fawful Z.)

Also, the info of The Mightiest Minions appears to be false; I played on my 3DS, and different battles sprawl on as you keep playing that mission. The battles just vary like this:

  • 1st battle: Either 2 Goomba Towers, 3 Boos, 2 Tail Boos, and 1 Bandit, 3 Chargin’ Chucks, 2 Goombas, 2 Fly Guys, and 1 Fire Stalking Piranha Plant, or 4 Mechakoopas, 2 Lakitus, 1 Fire Bro, and 1 Big Tail Goomba.
  • 2nd battle: Either 1 Chain Chomp, 3 Para-Beetles, 2 Dry Bones, and 2 Spikes, 2 Koopa Troopas, 4 Paragoombas, 1 Ice Bro, and 1 Blue Magikoopa, or 1 Pokey, 2 Buzzy Beetles, 4 Green Koopa Paratroopas, and 1 Big Boo.
  • 3rd battle: Either 2 Broozers, 3 Spear Guys, 2 Hammer Bros, and 1 White Magikoopa, 1 Spiny, 2 Bomb Boos, 4 Shy Guys, and 1 Red Magikoopa, or 1 Bob-omb, 2 Red Koopa Paratroopas, 4 Boomerang Bros, and 1 Green Magikoopa.

All these missions were uncovered by me, as I use my 3DS and play it rather than finding it on the game’s code…I’m sorry, but I’m not an expert at hacking… ‘^_^

--MadBird82Character.pngTheKarateToad (talk) 07:44, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

Dash Panel[edit]

Soooo....your solution is to undo an admin's edit so you can "talk it over" with another admin? Why are you putting yourself in charge of that, exactly? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

And I've removed several myself. I'm just saying that it would make a lot more sense to speak to him about it, then see if it needs removed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

RE: BJAODN question[edit]

Personally, I would say that it is not BJAODN worthy. I understand why it's been put there, but when the article has had some many different names, they do all need to be cited. That said, I think we should only require the most recent source, so I think the amount of references could be cut down. I'm also uneasy over adding it to the archive considering that it's still available on the wiki in the unedited format, BJAODN is meant for things that have been removed from the wiki. Yoshi876 (talk)

Paper jam glitch[edit]

I was doing a mission in the beach area (Twinsy Tropics), when I slid into a toad and at that exact moment a Koopa hit Luigi. I finished the battle and got the toad. Luigi was in his hurt pose, and when I tried to trio jump, the game crashed! Wariopig (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2018 (EDT)Wariopig

Mario Party: Star Rush pause descriptions[edit]

If you pause the game while you're playing a minigame, you'll get control descriptions. That's how I got the ones for every single minigame. By pausing the game, then recording it on this wiki. I'm sure most of our other minigame pages do the same thing; use the description from the game. Most Mario Party 8 pages use the Wii Remote and Button control descriptions from inside the actual game itself. Sure, they're kinda lengthy, but how come Star Rush can't have the actual control descriptions from the game itself? We use the in-game terms for most articles and other stuff on this wiki, so why can't this instance? – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Mario Land Stub[edit]

Reason why the stub template was on World 1-1 (Super Mario Land) was because there may be more changes to the level in Hard Mode and more research is needed. Do you have a way of checking for those changes? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 21:06, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Google Translate[edit]

From the {{Foreign names}} template page: "Running the English name through Google Translate or making your own translated name is not acceptable." This also applies to the reverse, putting foreign names through the translator into English. Google Translate has proven to be unreliable in the past. Finding someone who actually speaks the language would be a better option. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:02, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

I intentionally left some of them blank like that because I'm really not sure whether to trust the machine translation or not. Some of them are really odd, like Страсти у скелетопасти (which machine translates to "Passion near the Mattermouths") so I'd rather we get someone who knows better to do it. I know Raltseye is better at Russian than I am (frankly I'm still at a really novice level) so maybe we could ask him for help there. Also, in terms of vocabulary, Google Translate is definitely helpful there, but it's another story when it comes to titles of minigames, which can have puns or other literary meanings transposed behind the terms that machines can't catch. Sometimes, it's straightforward enough to help. Sometimes it's too odd for me to add. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:05, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

Hotel Mario reviews[edit]

Please elaborate what you mean by this. I think my edit summary should be clear enough: it's easy for absolutely anyone to include Hotel Mario in a list, but it's another thing to give a hands-on impression, and I'm not convinced that those three YouTube videos did this job. The other references were left intact, including IGN's. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

At one point, Rabidluigi says that it's "difficult to emulate" and that he doesn't "wanna waste money on this," so I believe it's distinctly possible that he took the footage elsewhere and didn't actually play it. The Copycat video is unlisted, so I'm unsure if it's really usable either. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:40, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Other Hotel Mario stuff[edit]

Is it out of the question to use that one time the original voice actor dubbed over the opening with more....raunchy dialog as a source for his participation in the ironic fandom? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:01, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Re:Hotel Mario[edit]

Want me to help out? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:41, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

What could I help you with? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:54, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Air Cheep image[edit]

I just had some problems with uploading a cropped file without the shadow. The second image that was uploaded looked just like the fourth does now, so I wanted to revert it to the first version and tried to reupload it, but after I reverted it the second image looked just like it had to be. I tried to revert it again to the second version, but the same thing happened MLSSBMTashrooba.pngVOIDTHIS (talk)MLSSBMShroobRex.png 21:45, 25 May 2018 (CEST)

Dragon Wario[edit]

Saying "this shouldn't take priority" when he said in the immediately previous edit that it shouldn't and he would change it later is rather rude and uncalled for. Just by the way. Saying "moving to separate identifier" is sufficient and seems less rude and more helpful in general. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:27, 27 May 2018 (EDT)


Bullet Bills are definitively enemies; they move their arms, occasionally blink, and in some appearances have movable mouths. You seem to be confusing "sentient" with "sapient" here, and even then, a hanging bundle of explosives does not exist on the same level as an actual living thing. (Unrelated note, you still haven't responded to my note on the "Mario will Hoch Hinaus" (or however it is called) talk page.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Really, the only game where Bill Blasters are outright "enemies" is SMRPG, which we have in a different article anyways. While they only fire at specific points in battles in the other RPGs (their turn), they also do this in the platform games, as do cannons. Having HP isn't really an indicator either, as things like the Hoho Stone do as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
Not everything needs a discussion, and I've been doing it for a while anyways. I'm pretty sure Time-Turner was doing something similar earlier, I was just continuing that. Note how many of them had simply been placed in "objects" sections? That didn't seem right either. Having a separate section for obstacles seem to be the best thing to do, and it would seem that the Bureaucrats agree with me there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2018 (EDT)


Not quite. It's the type of thing it is that comes first, not necessarily the game it comes from. (boss), (bear), and (Pixl) are acceptable identifiers, and they should be changed back. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:02, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

In the words of the policy, the first check is: "What type of thing it is (e.g. level, game, character, tennis court)" "Game" in this case is referring to something like a minigame, like WarioWare. Step 2, however: "If the same type of thing shares the same name across multiple games, use each game title as the identifiers." Step 2 calls in the game titles, step 1 is the type. Since these Boomers are all different types of characters, them being under a game title isn't necessary.
"Even if DKC3's Boomer is a bear to some extent, it's not like it's confirmed that he's a bear." He is, though? He's a member of the Brothers Bear, which are, by name, bears. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:24, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
All three of the Herman examples are separate comic characters, so the game, or in this case, comic identifier makes sense for them. Boomer can refer to an enemy boss in Super Mario RPG, the NPC bear in Donkey Kong Country 3, and the playable Pixl in Super Paper Mario. All three of these have different roles and species, and generic has nothing to do with it. Herman could probably use different identifiers, though, considering those just called "Herman" are either a plant or a human. As for Boomer bear being another animal in disguise... you may be overthinking that. And no, different types doesn't only apply to sporting arenas, see Piranha Plant (disambiguation) for example. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:58, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
My point with the Piranha Plant was that it isn't a sporting area and uses type distinguishers. But my major point here is that what you are doing really does go against the policy you are using as your reasons for page moving, so I don't get why you're fighting this. The Boomers are not the same type of character at all, very clearly so. TheFlameChomp suggested to me that (Brothers Bear) could be used as the DKC3 character, and I see you already reverted the (boss) one. And, yeah, I goofed when I said comic identifier for Herman; I was in a rush to leave and said the wrong thing there, but everything else is correct. I would appreciate it if they were changed back and a better discussion could take place on Boomer if need be, or at the very least the discussion part. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 22:43, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

"For all we know, he could be another animal in disguise." .....if you're gonna go that route, no identifier could be accurate, since for all we know, Donkey Kong Country 3 is just Donkey Kong Country 2 in disguise, if we're going to go to that level of existentialism. And no, it wouldn't need a "larger discussion," the fact was that you simply broke the very policy you linked to. Have you been getting enough sleep? You seem a little....distant in this conversation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki.
If this last warning was not issued by an administrator and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.

From what I'm gathering, you're basing your decision to change the title on the possibility that it's not a bear, which makes no complete sense at all. And to quote MarioWiki:Naming, "Identifiers start out specific but may become more generalized before moving to scenario two." "(Brothers Bear)" is as specific as it gets, but this can simply be narrowed down to "(bear)", but obviously not to "(character)" since there are of course two other characters. "Disguise" or not, at face value, it's a bear, so it's a perfectly acceptable title. Nowhere does it say that the "different types" point applies mainly to sporting arenas, and I think you're over-complicating this.

And another thing, and the reason I issued this warning: when an admin is explaining you something that is in accordance with policy, don't be stubborn and confrontational about it. Policy is handled by the staff, so if a staff member is enforcing it, they are doing it for the right reason. (And no, simply suggesting "starting a larger discussion" shouldn't have to be the answer to everything if this can simply be resolved by seeing the most logical choice in this scenario.) You shouldn't need to be reminded that you've already been warned a couple of times about undermining admin authority, and still your attitude you've been carrying against the administration is entirely disrespectful, and it stops now. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 10:56, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

No, this didn't even need any discussion to begin with, as Alex95 has just told you that the type goes first according to policy, and since one is a bear and one is a Pixl, two distinct enough differences, we go with that. No need to look too much into it, and not everything needs to be brought up to the proprietor. It's dragged on more than it needed to. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 11:23, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Priority question[edit]

No, both "Brian" and "Sonny" should be disambiguation pages. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 09:40, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: MK8D category[edit]

They should still have separate categories like the other Mario Kart 8 Deluxe subcategories, even with the three-entry difference. Though if you think they should be merged then there should be a proposal/discussion, since there are other remake categories separated from the originals, including ones like Category:Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 Enemies, and the Category:Super Mario 64 DS subcategories which were created following this proposal. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:56, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Sure, that works. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 08:58, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Outy Spice Locations[edit]

Hello. Remember my proposal to change the name of the Outer Space Locations category to "Cosmic Locations"? You intended to revisit the subject, but seem to have abandoned it. Do you still want to give it another chance? If so, let me know, as I would like to discuss some things beforehand. Looking back to my proposal now, I realise that the change would have been rather ambiguous, given the definition of "cosmic" in several dictionaries: Merriam Webster and Google itself define the word as all the universe outside of Earth, whereas Wiktionary and the Cambridge Dictionary omit the part that specifies that the cosmos is anything extraterrestrial. The present name, "Outer Space Locations", does a fine job telling people what the category contains--but it's nevertheless still inaccurate to use in some aspects. P.S.: I understand you've undergone a surgery. I wish you fast recovery. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 06:06, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

I didn't suggest "extraterrestrial" as a replacement for Outer Space, I just stated that some dictionaries make use of it to describe what's cosmic in relation to Earth only. That's what "extraterrestrial" means: beyond the atmosphere of Earth (Terra). At any point, using the same adjective to describe anything outside of Mario's planet is conjecture because we don't know if it's the same as Earth, and SMO even outright declines it. Instead, "cosmic" is as applicable to Mario's planet as it is to Earth, if we take it as a fictional analogy to the latter.
Let me get my point across. We say that sattelites, planets, and other celestial bodies are in Outer Space because that is their greater location. Sort of like saying that Easter Island is in the middle of the Pacific. However, when talking about an object located ON said places we don't say that it's in Outer Space; it is on its carrier, which happens to be spatial. Similarly, we don't say that those Moai head statues are found in the middle of the Pacific, but on an island in the middle of the Pacific. The same logic applies to X-Naut Fortress, Lunar Colony, Moon Kingdom and others. They are not exactly dipping into deep space, but the body they are on is. "Outer Space locations" is a very rough denominator to use for such places and it could technically be used for virtually any place in the Mushroom Kingdom. The scope of the Outer Space Locations category is currently everything outside of Mario's planet, and judging by some definitions of "cosmic", this would be a better term to encapsulate galaxies, planets and everything on them. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 14:01, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
One more thing: I find your proposal replies to be a bit condescending to other users. Please tone them down, if you don't mind :) -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 15:52, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
Yup. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 04:03, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Another page move[edit]

I've moved the list to the talk page. Next time you make a request like that, though, please give your reasoning. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 06:55, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

It wasn't for me personally to do - if it was, I would have put it in my userspace. (Technically, it's on Time Turner's shoulders - it was their proposal. I just want everything at least marked for merger before SSBU actually releases and people start making new pages.) - Reboot (talk) 22:58, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

Mario Tennis Aces Names[edit]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but is there a source for "Dark Luigi", "Dark Wario", and "Dark Waluigi"? As far as i know, the game reffers to the possessed Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi simply as "Luigi", "Wario", and "Waluigi". BlueYoshiYoshisStory.png Yoshi Egg 1990 Red-yoshi-with-umbrella.jpg 07:44, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Why are you ingoring this message? BlueYoshiYoshisStory.png Yoshi Egg 1990 Red-yoshi-with-umbrella.jpg 12:02, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Jerry[edit]

Yes, it should be moved. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 22:34, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

You probably should have moved it to "Jerry (Bob-omb)" as that is much easier to type and is more rule-compliant anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

RE:Username change[edit]

Is Koops 2.0 avaliable? 25pxKoops (message) 19:25, 25 June 2018 (EDT)


Hey Toadette The Achiever, thanks for deciding to help my Mario Tennis Aces quotes page. Gameboy2345 (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2018 (EDT)


How do users archive a page? 25pxKoops (message) 16:33, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Cosmic Locations[edit]

Good job. Sorry for not being present yesterday to help out with the move. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 01:45, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Proposal / identifier[edit]

No, the matter was whether it should be merged to the boss list or Ridley's page, and as Reboot said, it would have to be merged either way.

"Fountain (dome)" makes the most sense. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:51, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Admin noticeboard signatures[edit]

Forgot to tell you this after I reported this guy, but when reporting someone using the Admin noticeboard link, you don't have to place down a signature at all after inserting the troll template. In fact, it's strongly against it to put the signature on the page anyway, but I don't think the main page mentions it at all in that box. Strange... – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 19:34, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

RE: Greenhouse[edit]

No, I don't see why anyone would refer to those as "rooms." Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 20:47, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Roger Lift[edit]

Hey Toadette! I think we should have a proposal. Blarggwich had both the Blarggwich itself and the water spirit that appeared in Salvo the Slime's castle. There must have at least you, TheFlameChomp, Mario jc, LinkTheLefty, Alex95, and Doc von Schmeltwick. We also need more people. Are IPs allowed to vote in a proposal? The proposal hasn't started yet, but it's about if we leave Blarggwich and Roger Lift (the Japanese name of the water spirit in Salvo the Slime's castle) in the same page or if we split it. -- 01:58, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Peer review[edit]

The writing is fine. However, the second phrase in the lead paragraph is long-winded and easy to get lost into, as there are barely any commas beside the ones in the enumeration. I'd suggest the phrase describe the appearance of the ship from the outside and the inside in separate sentences, and thus be divided either by a period or a semicolon. Another issue I have is the lack of images... had I not played SMO, I would have wanted to know what the Odyssey looks like when crashed and unfunctional. An image of the ship completely furnished with souvenirs from all kingdoms would also be good to see. Why not also throw in this picture of the Odyssey confronting the Ruined Dragon? I think these are all important moments of the Odyssey that need to be captured in the article outside of text; you know, to accompany details about its relevance to the story.

Oh, and yeah, the trivia is overly long. The piece about Cappy revealing that the Odyssey is an older model of the ships in Bonneton could at least find home in the intro since it seems like a basic fact. There are some other facts in the Trivia section that describe interaction with elements of the ship (jumping on the globe to hear a music-box Jump Up Super Star, placing Mario on the armchair to make him sit there etc.), and the last paragraph under the Super Mario Odyssey headline is a single-sentence fact in the same vein. Maybe you can relocate that trivia somewhere here!

Anyway, isn't the article a little too short? Not that it is a stub, but it just doesn't have much to cover. It's smaller than Vivian, which already doesn't compare to the likes of Goomba and Banzai Bill. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 12:33, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

But do you think my review helped? Or is there something you wish to note? -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 15:55, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

I have an idea that would greatly expand the article: making a list of locations surrounding the Odyssey in each kingdom. On the brochures, the Odyssey is pin-pointed separately from all other locations. Given that we have established that each location that surrounds a checkpoint flag must receive an article detailing all of its defining marks (e.g. Tostarena Town and Inverted Pyramid), I think the Odyssey corners should receive a similar treatment. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 17:50, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

Port/remake proposal[edit]

Just so you know, the splits would be on a case-by-case basis if the proposal passes, which is why I left Luigi's Mansion out of the immediate splits. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 20:07, 20 July 2018 (EDT)


Okay okay. I'm very sorry... --Samueljoo (talk) 09:35, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

Springboard article[edit]

Hey, Roller here. I was just wondering what your plan for the Springboard article is now. While I didn't agree with your previous proposal as is, the article is absolutely horrible to read through, and I wanted to know what your new proposal would be for the article, and if there would be anything I could do to help. rollerC (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

And what's so horrible about it, may I ask? It's a little clumsily-written in parts but definitely not unreadable. -- -- ByeGuy1.png ByeGuy.png ByeGuy2.png 14:41, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
Sure, it's not unreadable, but the ToC is huge, and each section only has about a sentence worth of information. There's a lot of extra information that could be grouped together, but instead, it's littered about the article by series. I'm also worried that some changes could make it worse, so I want to know ahead of time what the plan is.rollerC (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Hey, Docky here. Please, whatever you do, don't make an omnibus proposal, as those get very divisive among people very fast. Thank you for your time. I'd personally suggest starting with the DK arcade obstacle or the PiT item. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

"Oh please do not make an omnibus proposal x_x" Doc, relax. I only want to know what their plan is, I don't want an omnibus proposal. The article is ugly in its current state. rollerC (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Regarding what was said on rollerC's talk page, the only ones that don't look roughly like that "|x|" or "|<>|" design I can think of off the top of my head are the Club Nintendo one (which is obviously intended to be the same thing) and the Super Mario RPG ones. EDIT: Hadn't seen the SMR ones looked like accordions instead. How to the MvsDK series ones look? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

I'm going to get really confused if we continue this conversation on more than one talk page. Mind if we pick one or the other? rollerC (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Interesting rename scenario[edit]

"Busted! (WarioWare: Mega Microgame$!)" since it originated from that game. Though something more interesting I just discovered is that they both share the same Japanese name (Mona's microgames in Twisted! - スパイ Supai ("Spy") is the 17th one on the list) and even the same command: [1] [2] (not to mention the gameplay of both microgames are very similar), so it's likely they intended both to be the same microgame. I might make a TPP on this eventually, but you can go ahead with the rename first. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:42, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

{{about}} on "Classic Clash" after the move. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 21:46, 8 August 2018 (EDT)


Oh, well I never played Shy Guy's Shuffle City due to it being multiplayer exclusive, so I don't know the similarities. I'll grab a snapshot of the space I guess. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 14:09, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Question, is there a results screen where the game keeps track of where the spaces are landed on? That's how I cropped out the spaces for much of my Island Tour screenshots.
PS I'm sorry for not working on Hotel Mario. Things got caught up with me like they usually do, so much stuff to keep track of >_> BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:14, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
Yeah, figured. I knew this from the getgo (hence why I made that mistake to begin with), so this screenshot I took and reuploaded is our best bet. Anyway, I'm asking for the Mario Party 10 board spaces, are there results screen for those that I can crop out of? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:35, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
Perfect! I'll get croppin' those out soon before you can say "Toadette's the winner!". Also, btw for the Warp Space, Yellow Toad refers to them as an "Event Space" when they first appear too but I think it's because I'm playing the PAL version of the game so...maybe that's a mistake from localization. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:41, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
I'm reuploading some images, though I might want to move some files to match consistency on how I normally organize space names (Like, File:MP10_SpaceGreen.png, because in the categories, all spaces would be conveniently located in the same area as each other). Question, I should upload the Mario Party 10 variants of old spaces, since they have differences from the MP9 ones, correct? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:55, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
In the process of me uploading, maybe you could move file name pages such as Heart Space to File:MP10_SpaceHeart.png and so on, would save me some trouble while I'm busy making new files. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 16:00, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Hey, I think the Special Event Space can simply be the Dead-End Space article moved to there, as they have the same design and same function, just a different name. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 17:21, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Uh, Advance Space shouldn't redirect to Dash Space, as Dash Spaces actually exist in Mario Party 10... BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 18:27, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

So yeah I'm done uploading spaces. The Advance Space, Back Space, and the purple Boo area are the only ones not in any articles so...yeah. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 18:54, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

I'm also not entirely pleased with the cropping of some sprites too such as Streetlight... BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 18:57, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
I'll try again. Sometimes the wand tool gets really finnicky. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:15, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
That's all right. I'll get to it when I'm done uploading the Bowser Tower portion of the Mario Party Island Tour music. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 14:35, 14 August 2018 (EDT)
Well I've done the rest of your requests, even reuploaded Streetlight. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 14:46, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

Dinosaur, grrr[edit]

Not really covered entirely in that article. There are also a few generic fire-breathing dinosaurs, and most of the "Rexes" in that cartoon don't seem as entirely Rex-like as the ones from Send in the Clown. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:59, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

SMB3 microgames[edit]

I think "Super Mario Bros. 3 (lift microgame)" and "Super Mario Bros. 3 (power-up microgame)" would work.

As for Blue, the reason wasn't the name origin. It's pretty obvious the bear character takes greater priority than a one-time status effect; the fact that the latter's name isn't completely official either just made it easier. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 00:49, 16 August 2018 (EDT)

Also, would it be possible if you could address the concerns brought up here? I don't know if you've seen them, but it's important as the proposer to at least take them into consideration (there was even one left unanswered here). Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 00:56, 16 August 2018 (EDT)
The way I see it, whether one is conjectural is irrelevant if you're determining priority alone. With both of those being minor characters, they seem about equally significant. Really, I would only just think about situations like this if the difference in popularity is very obvious.
Regarding the proposal, I think the point Doc was making was that you excluded some subjects that should be covered as well because of their significance in the media they appear in (notably the dinosaurs in Dino Dino Jungle which act as stage hazards). Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 02:49, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

Re:Mario Party: Island Tour[edit]

I don't know how to organize information into a nice little presentable table, plus my twin disagrees with you. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 14:32, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

Still got any ideas on how to format the table? I'm very willing to make Island Tour featured as much as I can, I'll take any suggestion to improve the table. I was thinking about making it similar to the boss fight table where we can make it 4 columns instead of just 2. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:39, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
Good. Sorry about not cropping images btw, I was busy. I'm also very anxious about Island Tour's featured status lol, don't want my hard work going down because of contention of how information should be presented in MarioWiki ^^; BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:46, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
Well here's my next attempt at it. Is it good? BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 13:29, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
Whew, I'm glad taking the organization from the boss table worked. Maybe should establish that for the standard in Star Rush and The Top 100 now...depending on what they're divisible by. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 13:47, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

Kinda curious.[edit]

You told about tranpansy images back in June 20, 2018. IDK if I can make a PNG for them. Cheers?

Benjaminkirsc (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Similar?[edit]

I don't own the game myself, but after looking online at how they play, they are two different microgames for the reasons you mentioned (controllable fly swatter; timing vs. action).

As for Stylus Hunt, yeah, they have the same basic gameplay and music. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 22:43, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Booster[edit]

Yes. It is more likely to be searched (because of stats etc.) than the item. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 06:07, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Section[edit]

Fair enough, though it could be better written. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 03:01, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

"Could have been" was what I meant. I'm aware of the draft. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 03:04, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Useful?[edit]

I agree, it's unnecessary. I've deleted it. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 08:11, 25 August 2018 (EDT)


Sorry, I’ll make sure that I don’t make the mistake again. I also apologize for it seeming like I ignored your comment (I saw it after posting Lakitu from Odyssey X( ). GoombaBroadcast (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

RE:Delete this image[edit]

Oh, sorry! I added transparency because I thought it'd be better for List of Mario Party: The Top 100 minigames. You can delete this file and change all again! I'll never have a purposeful vandalising act here in Mario Wiki! Please, I'm learning each day how to contribute here in the wiki. I'll try my best here. So, delete this and let the jpg without transparency become the defaut again. Regardly, --DyeffersonAzSignature.png (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

Merging game modes into main article[edit]

Considering what we talked about here, I found some minigame modes from the Mario Party series separate from the main article. The ones that are still around are the following: Step It Up, Garden Battle, Choice Challenge, High Rollers, Time Attack (Mario Party 9), Time Attack (Mario Party: Island Tour, Boss Rush, Battle Cup, Score Scuffle, Boss Bash, Rocket Rascals, Crown Showdown, Test for the Best, Free Play Arcade and Flip-Out Frenzy. Those are all of the ones from Mario Party 8 onwards I was able to find. I know for a fact that the Island Tour Time Attack info is already on the main article, so the individual mode article should redirect there instead. For the rest, either you can do it yourself or find someone else to do so. Like I said, I'm not the best at expanding things a lot. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:42, 28 August 2018 (EDT)


We don't need consistency. We need what works best in each case. This is another one of those "common sense trumps attempts at regulating" things. See how with Ghost, only the Wario Land II examples specify both the game and type, because the others don't need that, but they do. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:33, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

Because the other ghosts don't list the game and type. And no, we still don't need consistency. I retain the right to disagree with the proprietor of the site. What we need is to have the most relevant and unique trait listed. And the fact of the matter is that typing "Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door" will worsen my gradually-developing carpal tunnel syndrome, and help cause it for others. Not to mention how difficult it is to remember how it's parsed with the punctuation and capitalization. It's too long an identifier, and that's an objective fact. We need some manner of shortening them if there's going to be rules like that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
I saw what you did with the ghost, but see, that just makes them even more inconsistent. We have game indentifiers, series identifiers, a third-party franchise/game identifier, a parent specie identifier, a game element identifier, and a combination game-and-element identifier. For that to hope to remain consistent, all would need the game-and-element type. But that would be overall pointless. This is my point. Just because it's needed for one does not make it OK to use for others when that's just detrimental. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
But due to the points above, if we were to go with true consistency, due to some identifiers not working alone for certain subjects, every identifier-using pages would need all of the elements in the identifer, ending up with such masterpieces as "Ghost (Donkey Kong 64 Kremling enemy)" and "Body Slam (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Flurrie move)," which is beyond overblown, but required for full consistency among identifiers. Do you want that to happen? I don't want that to happen. But that's where this is heading, rapidly. (As for the Porple thing, you said the phrase "even PorpleMontage agrees with me," which sounds like that's supposed to persuade me it's correct. Now I'm not going to pester him about it or anything, but I cannot agree that that is a good decision.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2018 (EDT)


Having some trouble finding a good replacement for the links at MarioWiki:Naming#Determining_the_identifier for "Ghost (Wario Land II boss)". Any suggestions? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:57, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

The point is referring to something of the same type in the same game, so I don't think just using "Ghost (boss)" will work, nor would a Ghost from a different game. Guess I'll keep looking. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 16:08, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Priority[edit]

Yes, the Grinder and Skewer obstacles should use the base title, and both Avalanche!'s should receive identifiers. I agree with Porplemontage on the Paper Mario Gold Ring being more obscure.

And I'm aware of the proposal change; I posted a comment which you haven't yet answered yourself. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 22:14, 31 August 2018 (EDT)


As I have stated before, the horned sauropod is also in Mario Party 8 in some quantity, so I'm not sure if "Mario Kart series" is a good identifier. Granted, I don't know what the quantity is as I'm no scholar on the Mario Party games, but something to think about and probably look into. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:34, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Google Searching "dinosaur Mario Party 8" brought me here, where it seems to primarily be a background element, and even so it's still clearly the same thing. I don't know where the insistence that it's an Apatosaurus came from, as that's a specific species of Sauropod that does not seem to have a horn. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:46, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
Let's see. "jungle" is a strange identifier that's at least more accurate, "blue sauropod" is accurate, but might be a bit too much...all I have for now. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
Also it is definitely blue. It's of a somewhat low saturation, but it's still more blue than gray. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
Generic sauropods appear otherwise though in bit roles across media though (a talking one is in the opening of the movie, some are in the background of the prehistoric stage of NES Mario is Missing!), and it really is a low-saturation blue, according to my hypersensitive eyes, at least. A blueish gray would imply dominance of the gray side, more like what Spikes are in SMW2. While it technically is a blue-gray shade, it's more on the blue side, and as such would be a grayish blue. But that might be splitting hairs a bit. Anyways, it's at least a little bit higher saturation than steel blue, which is about where the line is drawn. (I'm rather picky about color if you haven't noticed. I'm the one who changed several generic mentions of "blue" to "turquoise" and "indigo" because they looked more on the green or purple side to me.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Current and Wind and Lava and such[edit]

Really the article of that ilk that needs written desperately is one for Quicksand, since it often has different qualities between games, and under no circumstances in real life is "jumping repeatedly" an even remotely effective way of escaping it, thus not having the "functions as in real life" veto. I've been thinking of making it for a while now, but haven't really gathered anything up yet. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2018 (EDT)

RE: Flipper[edit]

A separate article since they're different objects, despite being designed after the same thing. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 01:05, 9 September 2018 (EDT)


Oh, yeah i have projects too! Mine are reuploading for better quality, creating pages, merge or split and stuff like that. What do you think about it? --FanOfYoshi (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2018 (EDT)

And about Rocky Wrench, it's a hard situation. What do you think we should do? --SMW2yoshi.gif FanOfYoshi (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2018 (EDT)


Just Wondering what your opinion is on Peachette. since you're the ultimate Toadette fan. I personally dislike her myself as it doesn't make sense with whats already been estsablished about power-ups, Toadette and Princess Peach in the past. --Seandwalsh (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2018 (EDT)

Huffin Puffin[edit]

Hum... Aside from the adult getting killed, it's true that it's really the chicks that are different. I voted Support because of both. In addition, i specified a reason for the Proposal, and we are currently Saturday, 15 and the Deadline (end of proposal), is said to be on the 27. How much time does a proposal needs to last? --SMW2yoshi.gif FanOfYoshi 13:32, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

RE: BJAODN[edit]

You are correct, I had misread it. Even so, I've always been iffy for featuring simple errors in BJAODN. One of BJAODN rules state that " information containing vandalism and poor writing is the only type of content that is acceptable to add here." Obviously that's not vandalism, and while it could be argued that it's poor writing, I think it's just a simple error, and has no place in the archive. Yoshi876 (talk)

Apologies for the Piranha Plant mistake[edit]

A big change like this is a little rough to manage, and removing the section for Super Mario Maker was more of an intermediate change as I was moving it to the Super Mario section. I'll probably manage this a bit more efficiently in the future, but I apologize for causing a slight issue there. --CompliensCreator (talk) 22:00, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


While I like the enthusiasm, categories should be created when four or more subjects are in them (in fact, you were the one that proposed that). This wasn't the case with Category:Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge Levels and Category:Mario vs. Donkey Kong Levels upon their creations. While more entries will certainly come later, the creation should be held off until there's enough pages to satisfy a category page. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:22, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

There is only one page in the category at present. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:31, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
True, there will be more pages and I even said then. Category policy page says the category needs at least four, so just trying to keep things accurate. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:42, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

Minor edits[edit]

Just as an unofficial reminded. All three times you undid my edits, not one of those times you marked it as a minor edit. Which, they were supposed to be minor edits per Help:Editing#minor edits. I know you know how to do the minor edits. And it is too late to change anything. So, this is the reason why it is going to be unofficial. As for what I am asking you to do is to mark the typical undos as minor. Whether or not what you undid was or wasn't marked as minor. There are rare exceptions, but these weren't one of them. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 12:17, 21 September 2018 (EDT)

RE: Tinga and Inga[edit]

I've tried that already, it's disappeared from the server so it can't be restored. I can assure you that was a real proposal. Mario Gold pose SMM.png Mario JC 22:50, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Building World[edit]

Unlike Beach Volleyball, "Building World" is exclusive to variations of a single game, it seems. Is this not the case? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Once again, I'd say "not giving people carpal tunnel syndrome" is worth it. I have a friend with that, and he's having to plan a trip out of the country just so he can have proper surgery for it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:31, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Citation Professionalism[edit]

I was in a hurry. Still debating whether to link the original post, given it itself is a tame gag comic. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

I'd just prefer a source that didn't have...."porn" in the title. o_o Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2018 (EDT)
I know it's a young meme, it's like a week old tomorrow or today. I first saw the original when it was like an hour old. But.....still. I know that's far from the "safest" page on this wiki, but.....that just makes me a tad uncomfortable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2018 (EDT)
Aww, you uploaded it? Wasn't sure if it'd be all right to. I was gonna do it :c Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:15, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
Ah, but I'll do it anyways, as the one on Twitter is a .jpg, but the one on his DeviantArt is a .png. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 29 September 2018 (EDT)


Just making sure you see this. If the user is causing the exact same problems they were blocked for in the first place after just coming off of a block, they should be reported rather than warned. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:47, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

Sorry Message[edit]

Sorry, will you forgive me?, I'm very busy right now and will look at it after. PostmanPatFan 15:53, 6 October 2018

Final Message[edit]

You see, I'm working on my computer all day, do you know what I mean. PostmanPatFan 15:55, 6 October 2018

Amoeba things[edit]

The "amoeba thing" that trapped Starlow was a pair of Goombules; an encounter starts when it's broken and she's freed, with the pieces reforming into two Goombules. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2018 (EDT)

Transparency policy[edit]

The only times transparency is even mentioned in the image policy involves not adding it to .jpgs and about noting adding it in parameter 4. There is nothing about not adding it to .pngs. Therefore, it's not against policy. I've seen at least one patroller do it multiple times. I've done it before, albeit more effectively than most as I know to get rid of the light-colored artifacts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:29, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

Because you revert people's edits while linking to a policy that's not there. If Mister Wu is allowed to crop images to the line from books, so can I. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:43, 7 October 2018 (EDT)
Because of what I just said. You've repeatedly cited a policy that is not written. I'm attempting to bring this inaccuracy to light so you'll stop saying it's "against policy" and just say something more accurate, like "it looks bad." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:47, 7 October 2018 (EDT)
Like on this one from a couple weeks ago. I've seen you do this at least four or five other times. I took note of it after you gave a reminder to someone over it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:50, 7 October 2018 (EDT)