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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a detailed description of the proposed changes and may link to a draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.[Proposal 1]
  2. A given user may author/co-author a maximum of five total ongoing/unimplemented proposals. Any new proposals over this limit will be immediately canceled.
  3. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).[Proposal 2]
  4. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).[Proposal 3][Proposal 4]
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  5. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available. Keep in mind that we use approval voting, so all of your votes count equally regardless of preferred order.[Proposal 5]
  6. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  7. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  8. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  9. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  10. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  11. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  13. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  14. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  15. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help. Proposals that result in changes to policy pages or general guidelines must be cited accordingly.[Proposal 6]
  16. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.[Proposal 7]
  17. For sizeable projects, a proposal author or wiki staff member may create a PipeProject page to serve as a portal for an unimplemented proposal. This is linked from the unimplemented proposals list and can contain progress tracking, implementation guidelines, resource links, a list of users working on the project, etc.
  18. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  19. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived, including their date of cancellation.[Proposal 8]
  20. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  21. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  22. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  23. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."

Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple subissues that can be resolved independently of each other.[Proposal 9] Poll proposals concerning multiple pages must have good justification for using the poll proposal format rather than individual talk page proposals or else will be canceled (for example, in the case of the princesses poll proposal, there are valid consistency concerns which make it worthwhile to consider these three articles simultaneously, but for routine article size splits, there is no need to abandon using standard TPPs for each).

In a poll proposal, each option is essentially its own mini-proposal with a deadline and suboption headings. A poll proposal can have a maximum of 20 options, and the rules above apply to each option as if it were its own proposal: users may vote on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]".

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

For the purposes of the ongoing proposals list, a poll proposal's deadline is the latest deadline of any ongoing option(s). A poll proposal is archived after all of its options have settled, and it is listed as one single proposal in the archive. It is considered to have "passed" if one or more options were approved by voters (resulting in a change from the status quo), and it is considered to have "failed" if all options were rejected by voters and no change in the status quo was made.

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, the proposal author(s), and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Deletions

None at the moment.

Moves

  • Move "Koopa Castle Course" to "Bowser Castle (Mario Kart: Super Circuit theme)" (discuss) by Wilben; Deadline: December 25, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Rename "secret" to "secret point" (discuss) by LadySophie17; Deadline: December 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Move "Big Fly" to "Fly (big)" (discuss) by Mariuigi Khed; Deadline: January 1, 2026, 23:59 GMT

Merges

Splits

Miscellaneous

  • Treat courses that debut in Mario Kart Tour as Tour courses and treat courses that debuted in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as 8 Deluxe courses (discuss) by Polterpup; Deadline: December 25, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Decide whether to use title case in English meanings of foreign names where applicable when not present in the source language (discuss) by PaperSplash; Deadline: December 26, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Identify language varieties by location instead of Nintendo localization teams in the NiOL table (discuss) by Dominoes & CarlosYoshiBoi; Deadline: December 26, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Restore "Loading zone" article (discuss) by Koopa con Carne; Deadline: December 28, 2025, 23:59 GMT
  • Determine what qualifies as "Mega Mario" (discuss) by Wandering Poplin; Deadline: January 4, 2026, 23:59 GMT
  • Deciding how to handle contestant articles (discuss) by Rykitu; Deadline: January 7, 2026, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
Note: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Note: Implemented for all except Bowser's Inside Story's Bowser's Castle and Kingdom Battle's Peach's Castle
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)
Allow English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia names to be mentioned on articles where they are not the title, Hewer (ended March 27, 2025)
Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles, Kaptain Skurvy (ended May 31, 2025)
Overhaul sponsor pages, Seandwalsh (ended June 26, 2025)
Reorganize recurring theme articles to use history sections, Ahemtoday (ended July 2, 2025)
Stop linking to other wikis for the first usage of a title on an article, Kaptain Skurvy (ended July 12, 2025)
Decide how to handle images on Mario Party board pages, Altendo (ended July 24, 2025)
Permit creation of categories based on microgame themes, PawPatroler (ended August 3, 2025)
Revamp colorful tables, Camwoodstock (ended August 14, 2025)
Make articles for the licensed songs in The Super Mario Bros. Movie, Sargent Deez (ended September 17, 2025)
Change game quote lists to game scripts, Scrooge200 (ended September 21, 2025)
Create an article for Gourmandise, Sargent Deez (ended October 4, 2025)
Stop using icon-based level names for Super Mario Bros. 3, PopitTart (ended October 21, 2025)
Establish and implement a format for footnotes, Ahemtoday (ended December 15, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Note: Not yet split for Partners in Time, Bowser's Inside Story, Dream Team, Paper Jam, and Brothership
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Note: Missing Robo-Rabbit and flag articles.
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Split the Animal Crossing series (now Crossovers with Animal Crossing), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split Super Luigi subjects into a dedicated list article (Draft page), EvieMaybe (ended April 3, 2025)
Restore general coverage for Pyramid, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 9, 2025)
Clean up Prohibited Command, PrincessPeachFan (ended May 13, 2025)
Split text changes in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch) (Draft page), Technetium (ended May 29, 2025)
Determine which subjects belong in Category:Aliens, Technetium (ended June 14, 2025)
Note: Not yet implemented for Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 subjects.
Split A Magical Tour of Yoshi's Island from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Rykitu (ended July 9, 2025)
Decide how to handle hammer-based moves in Category:Hammers, SolemnStormcloud (ended July 21, 2025)
Retire SSB fighter infobox, Salmancer (ended August 11, 2025)
Treat Pyoro as a series, janMisali (ended September 1, 2025)
Determine whether a Final Smash is one of a fighter's special moves, Salmancer (ended September 13, 2025)
Split Snake jar from Jar along with the Snake info and Cobra (Luigi's Mansion 3) on different pages and improve them, Sorbetti (ended October 13, 2025)
Split Challenge, VS. Game/You VS. Boo, the Album and the Toy Box + its individual toys from Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Snessy (ended December 23, 2025)

Relevant discussions

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Use the world flag if a game/console releases everywhere on the same day

I was once on Super Mario Party Jamboree's page and saw that the game released everywhere on the exact same day but we still used many country/region (including their sources) albeit them stating the exact same day (October 17, 2024). Same for the Switch Lite on the Switch's page.

Why use all those flags when we could just use the world flag?

This has honestly bugged me for a while cause it just makes more sense to have a world flag if a game releases on the same day everywhere in the world. I mean that's why we included the World (World) flag in our list of flags for the Flag template, right? Why would we (still) include it if we never use it? Since the Switch we've had several opportunities (since several games release everywhere on the same day) to use the World flag yet we still don't use it, even if it is overall more convenient to use and finally gives the World flag a good purpose on our wiki.

Proposer: Yoshi18 (talk)
Deadline: December 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Add the World flag to games/consoles that released on the same day everywhere in the world

  1. Yoshi18 (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Sargent Deez (talk) As Hewer said, we already do this on most pages. Fully rolling it out would make things more consistent and infoboxes easier to read.
  3. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) +1 for consistency. Per all.
  4. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per all.

Oppose: Leave as-is (status quo)

  1. Altendo[1][2][3] I see several problems with this. The first, and most obvious, would be that this would contradict the proposal that mandated citations for dates, therefore either clogging up a single flag, forcing them into subcitations within a larger one, or providing inaccurate information based on only a few regions' release date. The second issue is that the usage of this flag could be limited, because games can still release in different regions on different days, and sometimes multiple regions can do this at once, meaning that this flag's usage would likely be controversial based on which regions it should cover. The third, and biggest issue, though, is that this could misguide users into thinking that a game could release in regions where it hasn't, like Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope not releasing in as many regions as Super Mario Party Jamboree, and using a world flag to represent the "majority" could misguide people into thinking that a game released in regions it really hadn't been, which makes it more difficult to accurately determine where a game has been released in. I think a better option would be to double down on Hewer's suggestion and consolidate all of these flags into a collapsible section, but instead of using a potentially misleading or inconsistent world flag, to instead list the game's first release date in its first region outside of the section (personally, if many countries share the same worldwide release date, I think that the American release date should take precedence as it's where most readers are based in, but I also wouldn't mind having the American release date alongside a potentially earlier initial release date, likely Japanese), which gives a quick insight on its initial release date in its initial region (and maybe America) while also allowing readers to see every country a game has released in.
  2. Shadow2 (talk) If it's not released in every country in the world, then we shouldn't use the world flag. I doubt these games were released in North Korea.
  3. EvieMaybe (talk) per Altendo
  4. Ahemtoday (talk) Per Altendo. I'm not particularly moved by the idea of a collapsible because... well, I don't see the point in collapsing the information. It's basically just doing what we were going to do anyway except now there's an extra, redundant entry that encapsulates all the others. Is it a crime for an infobox to be tall?
  5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Altendo. The point about some games releasing at the same time only in certain regions is a pretty big one; what groups should get the world flag and which ones just get their own ones isn't explained, and to be honest, we wouldn't be particularly enthused even if there was a method to that madness. (We're also not exactly keen on a collapsible, but that's its own thing.)

Comments (Using the world flag)

We already do use the world flag for this though, check out the list of pages that use the file (and I guess this one too). I guess it wasn't being used on the Super Mario Party Jamboree page so that all the citations could be included, but look at how Luigi's Mansion 2 HD handles it. This seems to be an already solved problem. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, December 13, 2025 (EST)

@Hewer Yeah I see but there are still many games (and the Switch Lite) that don't use this. I guess this rather means that this proposal is meant to fully roll this out over all page. I once tried to enforce this to Super Mario Party Jamboree's page but a bureaucrat reverted my edit and told me that it would be better if I proposed this first. Blue Yoshi from Mario Kart Tour Yoshi18 (talk/contribs) 10:26, December 13, 2025 (EST)

@Altendo I don't see any reason why this proposal passing WOULDN'T allow us to do it how @Hewer suggested / how it's handled in Luigi's Mansion 2 HD. In fact, I feel like that would actually benefit from this passing. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:11, December 15, 2025 (EST)

I wrote in my vote, "instead of using a potentially misleading or inconsistent world flag, to instead list the game's first release date in its first region outside of the section". Instead of a world flag, using the flag where the game first launched works much better. I also don't see how this is currently done as an issue, and the proposed "solution" could actually be a detriment, as a world flag could be misleading due to the reasons I brought up. Altendo 12:00, December 15, 2025 (EST)
Yes, but I see nothing that says we can't do it how Luigi's Mansion 2 HD's page does it if this passes, though. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:16, December 15, 2025 (EST)

@Altendo: I do agree with your point about preserving the list of regions that a game released in, but are you saying you would want to use collapsible sections for cases where the release date isn't the same worldwide? I don't see the need for that. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 12:24, December 15, 2025 (EST)

I don't remember saying that. I only remember mentioning collapsible sections as an alternative solution; I never outright mentioned this as something I wanted to do. Altendo 13:36, December 15, 2025 (EST)

@Altendo and @Shadow2, clearly there's some sort of disconnect here. Yes, the arguments of "not releasing in every country" is valid, but then shouldn't we be removing the world flag from the Luigi's Mansion 2 HD page, as well as every page that uses it when it comes to release dates for consistency if we can't use the world flag for release dates? And people getting confused about it? Yeah, ok, I get that that would happen, but only if we use JUST the world flag. I feel like Luigi's Mansion 2 HD's page gives us a good look at how it should be with other pages like it. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:14, December 16, 2025 (EST)

I agree with @SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA). This was actually another point I tried to make with this proposal. If this proposal doesn't pass I guess we have to make Luigi's Mansion 2 HD's page to look like Super Mario Party Jamboree. That's why I still don't really get your points, @Altendo and @Shadow2. It clearly works on Luigi's Mansion 2 HD's page. Blue Yoshi from Mario Kart Tour Yoshi18 (talk/contribs) 15:02, December 16, 2025 (EST)
Wow, I...didn't actually expect a reply...but yeah, I agree. It clearly works with Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, so why not other pages? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 15:16, December 16, 2025 (EST)
If the proposal fails then no pages would be changed. Proposals need a "do nothing" option. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:53, December 16, 2025 (EST)
Yes, you say that, but literally down below @Shadow2 says that if this fails then actually pages WOULD be changed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 07:30, December 17, 2025 (EST)
"but then shouldn't we be removing the world flag from the Luigi's Mansion 2 HD page, as well as every page that uses it when it comes to release dates for consistency if we can't use the world flag for release dates?" ...Yes? I thought that would be obvious. Shadow2 (talk) 06:31, December 17, 2025 (EST)
Then that would make the pages LOSE simplicity. It's better for those pages to be consistent AND simple. Sure, not EVERY country has had games released, but that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice simplicity. We can keep the simplicity of having the world flag AND still be able to not have people confused about games releasing in, say, Vatican City or North Korea. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 07:28, December 17, 2025 (EST)
Just remove the World flag and keep the collapsible menu? If it's a simultaneous release in multiple places, then write "Release date: June 27, 2024" and change the collapsible menu to say something like "Regions released:" Shadow2 (talk) 21:50, December 17, 2025 (EST)
Uh...what? I get it if it's a few regions, but when it's a lot of regions, it's better to just have the simplicity of using the world flag. We can keep the collapsible too, since I don't see that being removed if this passes. And since you want the flag to be removed from all the pages that use it, that means you probably want it deleted, too. Also, the "Amiibo" page uses the flag too. What do you think would happen to THAT page? You'd have to replace it with A WHOLE LOT OF FLAGS. That makes the size of the page bigger. I don't know if it'll end up being big enough to hit the "this page has to be split in some way" mark, but it might. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:41, December 18, 2025 (EST)
Do you want factual accuracy or do you want simplicity? Shadow2 (talk) 23:53, December 18, 2025 (EST)
You're assuming those are mutually exclusive, when in fact, it's actually not. The page for Luigi's Mansion 2 HD has both the simplicity of the world flag, AND the factual accuracy by also having the collapsible. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:17, December 19, 2025 (EST)
I don't think the world flag has any simplicity at all. It's an entry on the release date list that doesn't actually represent any particular country and has a collapsible to put other release dates beneath it. What I find simple is "here are a bunch of countries and here are the dates this game released there". Ahemtoday (talk) 11:51, December 19, 2025 (EST)
So, what, make the infobox go more into the page than needed? The "world flag + collapsible" combo is simply a "hey, this game was a simultaneous release because there was no differing release dates in different regions, click the collapsible to see the specific regions" kind of thing. NOT having the world flag and the collapsible just doesn't seem right. And what about pages that use the world flag and nothing else? That's just extra bytes in the pages that don't really seem needed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:00, December 19, 2025 (EST)
The real list of flags has to exist or else it isn't clear which countries a game released in. The world flag and collapsible are the extra bytes here. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:04, December 19, 2025 (EST)
I was talking about the pages that use just the world flag for the "extra bytes" bit. You misunderstood and thought I meant all pages. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:22, December 19, 2025 (EST)
Okay, but we shouldn't have pages like that, is my stance. They should all have full flag lists. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:41, December 19, 2025 (EST)
Then have an admin end the proposal and you and the others in the opposition do it yourselves. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:04, December 19, 2025 (EST)
There's no need for administrator action on this? I'm not sure what the reason to bring this up is. Ahemtoday (talk) 13:51, December 19, 2025 (EST)
Because the proposal ends on the 27th. Just have a admin end it today since you clearly want this over with. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 20:03, December 19, 2025 (EST)
Proposals can only be vetoed by admins if either the original author requests it (Ahemtoday is not the original author of the proposal), if the proposal is set up in such a way where it's impossible to use as an actual proposal (even if some staff, such as us, oppose it, it's a perfectly fine proposal in terms of how it's set up), or in the event the proposal is outright unnecessary or detrimental in the first place (which, it isn't, and this would most likely be determined when the proposal was new, rather than a week later.) A request for cancellation would have to come from Yoshi18. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 23:36, December 19, 2025 (EST)

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