MarioWiki:Proposals
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If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.
How to
If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a detailed description of the proposed changes and may link to a draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
Rules
- Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.
- A given user may author/co-author a maximum of five total ongoing/unimplemented proposals. Any new proposals over this limit will be immediately canceled.
- Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
- Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
- For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
- Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available. Keep in mind that we use approval voting, so all of your votes count equally regardless of preferred order.
- Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
- Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
- Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
- If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
- Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
- If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
- Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
- Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
- If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
- If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
- Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
- Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
- All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
- After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
- For sizeable projects, a proposal author or wiki staff member may create a PipeProject page to serve as a portal for an unimplemented proposal. This is linked from the unimplemented proposals list and can contain progress tracking, implementation guidelines, resource links, a list of users working on the project, etc.
- If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
- Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
- Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
- Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
- No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
- Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.
Basic proposal formatting
Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.
===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]
'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT
====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.
====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
====Comments ([brief proposal title])====
Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.
To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."
Poll proposal formatting
As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple subissues that can be resolved independently of each other. Poll proposals concerning multiple pages must have good justification for using the poll proposal format rather than individual talk page proposals or else will be canceled (for example, in the case of the princesses poll proposal, there are valid consistency concerns which make it worthwhile to consider these three articles simultaneously, but for routine article size splits, there is no need to abandon using standard TPPs for each).
In a poll proposal, each option is essentially its own mini-proposal with a deadline and suboption headings. A poll proposal can have a maximum of 20 options, and the rules above apply to each option as if it were its own proposal: users may vote on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.
To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]".
===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]
'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}
====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT
;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.
;Oppose
====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT
;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.
;Oppose
====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT
;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.
;Oppose
====Comments ([brief proposal title])====
For the purposes of the ongoing proposals list, a poll proposal's deadline is the latest deadline of any ongoing option(s). A poll proposal is archived after all of its options have settled, and it is listed as one single proposal in the archive. It is considered to have "passed" if one or more options were approved by voters (resulting in a change from the status quo), and it is considered to have "failed" if all options were rejected by voters and no change in the status quo was made.
Talk page proposals
Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.
All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, the proposal author(s), and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.
List of ongoing talk page proposals
Deletions
None at the moment.
Moves
None at the moment.
Merges
- Merge Giant prickly plant with Thorny Flower (discuss) by Sorbetti; Deadline: December 11, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Merge Balloon Fight (souvenir) into Balloon Fight (song) (discuss) by Ihavenoideaboyo; Deadline: December 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Splits
- Split the colored caps from their respective pages (discuss) by Sorbetti; Deadline: December 11, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Split the Adobe Flash versions of Banana Grab, Banana Bonanza, and Rolling Panic (discuss) by Nelsonic; Deadline: December 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Split the Adobe Flash versions of Bicep Pump and Reflex Rally (discuss) by Nelsonic; Deadline: December 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Split Challenge, VS. Game/You VS. Boo, the Album and the Toy Box + its individual toys from Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (discuss) by Snessy; Deadline: December 23, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Miscellaneous
- Decide whether to use title case in English meanings of foreign names where applicable when not present in the source language (discuss) by PaperSplash; Deadline: December 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Remove the "series" identifier (discuss) by WarioWareFan; Deadline: December 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Treat courses that debut in Mario Kart Tour as Tour courses and treat courses that debuted in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as 8 Deluxe courses (discuss) by Polterpup; Deadline: December 18, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Deciding the fate of the Nintendo (evil group) article (discuss) by Rykitu; Deadline: December 21, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Unimplemented proposals
Proposals
| Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024) |
| Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024) |
| Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024) |
| Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024) |
| Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025) |
| Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025) |
| Allow English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia names to be mentioned on articles where they are not the title, Hewer (ended March 27, 2025) |
| Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles, Kaptain Skurvy (ended May 31, 2025) |
| Overhaul sponsor pages, Seandwalsh (ended June 26, 2025) |
| Reorganize recurring theme articles to use history sections, Ahemtoday (ended July 2, 2025) |
| Stop linking to other wikis for the first usage of a title on an article, Kaptain Skurvy (ended July 12, 2025) |
| Decide how to handle images on Mario Party board pages, Altendo (ended July 24, 2025) |
| Permit creation of categories based on microgame themes, PawPatroler (ended August 3, 2025) |
| Revamp colorful tables, Camwoodstock (ended August 14, 2025) |
| Make articles for the licensed songs in The Super Mario Bros. Movie, Sargent Deez (ended September 17, 2025) |
| Change game quote lists to game scripts, Scrooge200 (ended September 21, 2025) |
| Create an article for Gourmandise, Sargent Deez (ended October 4, 2025) |
| Stop using icon-based level names for Super Mario Bros. 3, PopitTart (ended October 21, 2025) |
Talk page proposals
| Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021) |
| Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022) |
| Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024) |
| Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024) |
| Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024) |
| Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025) |
| Split the Animal Crossing series (now Crossovers with Animal Crossing), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025) |
| Split Super Luigi subjects into a dedicated list article (Draft page), EvieMaybe (ended April 3, 2025) |
| Restore general coverage for Pyramid, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 9, 2025) |
| Clean up Prohibited Command, PrincessPeachFan (ended May 13, 2025) |
| Split text changes in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch) (Draft page), Technetium (ended May 29, 2025) |
| Determine which subjects belong in Category:Aliens, Technetium (ended June 14, 2025) |
| Split A Magical Tour of Yoshi's Island from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Rykitu (ended July 9, 2025) |
| Decide how to handle hammer-based moves in Category:Hammers, SolemnStormcloud (ended July 21, 2025) |
| Retire SSB fighter infobox, Salmancer (ended August 11, 2025) |
| Treat Pyoro as a series, janMisali (ended September 1, 2025) |
| Determine whether a Final Smash is one of a fighter's special moves, Salmancer (ended September 13, 2025) |
| Remove YouTubers with under 100k subscribers from List of references on the Internet, Rykitu (ended October 9, 2025) |
| Split Snake jar from Jar along with the Snake info and Cobra (Luigi's Mansion 3) on different pages and improve them, Sorbetti (ended October 13, 2025) |
| Only cover the Koopalings' wands on the Magic Wand page, PrincessPeachFan (ended December 1, 2025) |
Writing guidelines
None at the moment.
New features
A Format For Footnotes
Footnotes. So similar to citations in format, but so dissimilar to them in purpose. Currently, we do these one of two ways on the wiki, each falling on one half of this divide.
Firstly, we have {{Footnote}}, a dedicated template for footnotes. You'd think this would be the end of it, but the template is not consistent with the formatting of citations, which is very noticeable when seeing the two on the same article. This wouldn't be the end of the world, but it's also not as fully featured, only being capable of going back to the first instance of a footnote rather than being able to scroll up to multiplate instances like citations can. Multiple instances of the same footnote are not at all an uncommon use case for footnotes, so this downside is quite unfortunate.
The other method is using grouped <ref> tags with something like "group=note" or "group=a". This does have the format and functionality of citations — after all, they are citations. I would call this clearly superior to the first one, and worthy of adoption over it. However, I'm not just going to suggest standardizing to the second method. There's a little tweak we can make to make this method even better.
See, there's two things that bug me a little about the second method: first off, the use of numbers combined with the fact that it's using the same code as citations make the footnotes look as though they're a type of citation; while in the code, they are, in spirit one providing additional information and the other one providing the source of information makes them quite different in purpose. Secondly, the group label makes it wider than your average citation, or anything done with {{Footnote}}, which doesn't sound like a big deal, but the biggest use case for footnotes is tables, tight grids of information; the less a footnote has to stretch a column or move its contents, the better it looks.
I have a solution to both of these problems, and if I understand this page correctly, it lies in this site's rarely used MediaWiki namespace. Bear with me; this will be a bit technical but I'll explain what this will accomplish afterward. We will create four pages: MediaWiki:Cite link label group-footnotes, MediaWiki:Cite link label group-footnotes2, MediaWiki:Cite link label group-footnotes3, and MediaWiki:Cite link label group-footnotes4. All four pages will share the same text:
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What this will do is define the labeling of citations specifically in the groups "footnotes", "footnotes2", "footnotes3", and "footnotes4". They will not appear with prefixes, and will instead appear something like this.[d] Which I think is perfect. It's letters to contrast the numbers of true citations. It's narrow so it slots much nicer into tables than [note 4] or even [a 4]. And of course, there's all the benefits of using the citations template for everything still. Does my excitement come through here? I'm quite proud of finding this.
{{Footnote}} will be marked a deprecated template and eventually replaced on all articles where it is currently present. I considered putting this new system into that template instead, or offering that as an option, but considering to be easy to use it would need to have all the same functionality as a <ref> tag anyway, I... don't think it would be worthwhile to keep.
Obviously, any preexisting ref-footnotes will have to be changed to use the four specific functional groups. I don't know if I'm willing to set much more than that in stone regarding footnotes. I think I'm fine with it generally suiting the needs of the article. Articles where large footnote set(s) are localized to specific tables, such as Mario Kart (series), can use multiple footnote sets lying right below the pertinent tables; whereas articles with small, scattered footnote sets, such as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, may be better served with its footnotes as a single set placed next to the citations.
Proposer: Ahemtoday (talk)
Deadline: December 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Support (footnotes)
- Ahemtoday (talk) Per proposal.
- a lt en do This creates 702 footnotes, and while I don't think we can use all of them, we do have a lot of additional space here (not like we'll use all of them, but still).
- Dominoes[tk][ct] Seems like a pretty reasonable and elegant solution to me.
- Arend (talk) The whole [a 6] and [b 10] stuff always looked clunky on tables featured on pages such as Standard Kart; it would've looked much better if it were shortened to things such as [f] and [j]. I think we might need more than four footnote classes later, though.
- GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per all.
Oppose (footnotes)
Comments (footnotes)
I would rather shorten the group names to "n1", "n2", etc. (which are currently unused) instead of "footnotes", "footnotes2", etc., so that you could type <ref group=n1> instead of <ref group=footnotes>. Jdtendo(T|C) 04:31, December 3, 2025 (EST)
- Hm. I see that, but I feel like something like this is best served by maximal clarity rather than making concessions to brevity. These are group labels that cause the ref function to behave unusually, so I want their purpose to be clear and for them to be impossible to stumble upon accidentally. Although, I don't think I've ever seen citation grouping used in any way other than footnotes... Ahemtoday (talk) 12:03, December 3, 2025 (EST)
Removals
None at the moment.
Changes
Determine which game pages with the full title to rename
This proposal aims to determine which game pages with a full title to rename. Rumor has it that both the respective proposals for using the disambiguation identifier without the subtitles for Super Mario RPG and both Donkey Kong Country 2 and Donkey Kong Country 3 have passed. The last proposal for using the disambiguation identifier without the label for Yoshi's Island pages, however, was declined.
Just as Hewer said to Dive Rocket Launcher:
- “I feel like that's a bit more of a stretch since it replaces (and reorders) the subtitle rather than just removing it. Also, "Yoshi's Island" isn't quite as immediately obvious what it refers to compared to "Super Mario RPG" and "Donkey Kong Country 2/3".”
- —Hewer, Use shorter disambiguation identifier (without subtitle) for Donkey Kong Country 2 and Donkey Kong Country 3 pages
This will only affect the pages Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, and Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! and its subpages, with Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island excluded.
The affected pages are as follows:
That way, if one option has decided that one page will be renamed without a game's subtitle, then we won't need to worry about that subtitle.
Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Can the Legend of the Seven Stars subtitle be removed from pages, subpages, and categories with the "Super Mario RPG" in its title?
Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on December 10, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.
Deadline: December 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes
- GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.
- No
- Hewer (talk) Why should we not use the full titles of these games? The proposal doesn't even give an argument for this, just a list of things that would change.
- Camwoodstock (talk) Per Hewer. There's no real reason given to rename these, and presently, just "Super Mario RPG" is used for the Switch remake (albeit, with a parenthetical to clarify it's for the Switch remake).
- Power Flotzo (talk) Change for the sake of change.
- Super Altendo RPG: Legend of the Seven Proposals Per.
- Shadow2 (talk) No sufficient reasoning given in proposal.
- Arend (talk) This really feels like GuntherBayBeee saw the aforementioned proposals about shortening the identifiers, and didn't exactly realize why these passed in the first place and drew the wrong conclusion. For the record: these proposals passed because a rerelease officially shortened the game's title to the most relevant portion, so it made sense to shorten the identifiers for these articles too given that the subjects they were about also appeared in that game. This isn't about shortening the title JUST for the sake of shortening it, and there's no reason why we shouldn't keep the full title of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, especially for the actual page.
- EvieMaybe (talk) per all
- Rykitu RPG: Legend of the Chaos Emeralds (talk) Per all, especially Power Flotzo.
- Kaptain Skurvy RPG: Legend of the Crystal Coconut (talk) Per all
- Nintendo101 (talk) Per all.
Can the Diddy's Kong Quest subtitle be removed from pages, subpages, and categories with the "Donkey Kong Country 2" in its title?
Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on December 10, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.
Deadline: December 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes
- GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.
- No
- Hewer's Kong Quest (talk) Per first vote
- Camwoodstock (talk) See our first vote, and, funny enough, "the game's name without the subtitle is used for a remake later down the road, and is only distinguished on the wiki via parenthetical" is also true for this game.
- Power Flotzo (talk) Per my vote above.
- Altendo Country 2: Lil' Altendo's Quest Per all of the opposition.
- Shadow2 (talk) No sufficient reasoning given in proposal.
- Arend (talk) Idem to the SMRPG thing but with DKC2
- EvieMaybe (talk) per all
- Rykitu Country 2: Rykitu Jr.'s Conquest (talk) Per all.
- Kaptain Skurvy Kountry 2: Kutlass's Krem Quest (talk) Per all
- Nintendo101 (talk) Per all.
Can the Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! subtitle be removed from pages, subpages, and categories with the "Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!" in its title?
Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on December 10, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.
Deadline: December 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes
- GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.
- No
- Hewer's Double Trouble (talk) Per first vote
- Camwoodstock (talk) See our first and second votes, yeah, it's true for this game too.
- Power Flotzo (talk) Per my two votes above.
- Altendo Country 3: Lil' Miss Altendo's Double Trouble! Ditto.
- Shadow2 (talk) No sufficient reasoning given in proposal.
- Arend (talk) Idem to the above things but with DKC3
- EvieMaybe (talk) per all
- Rykitu Country 3: Double Trouble! (talk) Per all.
- Kaptain Skurvy Kountry 3: Green Kroc's Double Trouble! (talk) Per all
- Nintendo101 (talk) Per all.
Comments Country RPG
Do not use partial italics in titles
The Manual of Style's current rules for title italicisation apply to video games and series (among other media not relevant here). However, the rules do not clarify whether this should apply to titles within titles — e.g., the title of a game or series used within the title of a song or board game.
In practice, the wiki tends towards italicising game and series titles within other titles (see Category:Physical games for many examples), but is not fully consistent either (the song "Mario Kart 8 Title Screen" has no italics on its relevant soundtrack page, but does elsewhere). This practice, sensibly enough, also does not extend to WarioWare microgames (e.g. Super Mario World) or Mario Kart tracks (e.g. Animal Crossing).
This proposal aims to end the practice of using italics within titles for media that is not typically italicised, and to clarify/codify this stance in the Manual of Style. My reasons are as follows:
- Partial italics are misrepresentative of actual titles.
I believe that italicisation should only be used to wrap around a full title, and that titles largely should otherwise be written as-is. Super Mario and Mario Kart Tour are not misrepresentative, since they do not introduce any extra formatting within the title itself; Das Super Mario Spiel and "I Love Mario Kart Tour", on the other hand, are less appropriate.
- Partial italics can cause title ambiguity.
The name of this Donkey Kong water game is consistently written as Donkey Kong, which gives the impression that names of physical games are italicised. Other examples include a Mario Kart DS jigsaw puzzle and a New Super Mario Bros. Wii pachinko toy.
- Titles are less readable with mixed use of italics.
Mixing italics into (for example) a song title creates visual noise that makes it harder to parse as a single title, especially when the title is used in the text repeatedly/alongside actual game titles; one look at the page for "Super Mario Kart Title Screen" shows the extent of this.
My proposed revision to the Manual of Style is as follows (additions in bold):
Song titles, book chapters, and episode names (i.e. of television series) are not italicized, but written in quotation marks. The wiki applies the same principle to missions from the 3D Super Mario games. Titles within titles (e.g. game titles within song names) should not be italicized; this also applies to products whose names do not use italics or quotation marks, such as physical games and toys.
Proposer: Reese Rivers (talk)
Deadline: December 21, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Support: Remove partial italics in names and titles
- Reese Rivers (talk) Per proposal.
- The Dab Master Title Screen (talk) Per proposal. I might also add that this makes things a little harder to link to (especially on mobile), since you have to fully type
[[Super Mario Kart Title Screen|''Super Mario Kart'' Title Screen]]. - Hewer (talk) Very much per proposal, this has been bugging me for some time. "Super Mario Kart Title Screen" feels like a hypercorrection, and we also don't apply this consistently, e.g. the credits theme of Super Mario Galaxy is just "Super Mario Galaxy" (and if we did italicise that then it could lead to confusion with the game itself).
- EvieMaybe (talk) "per all"
- Nintendo101 (talk) Per proposal. The purpose behind italicizing media in other contexts is to denote what is a container, vs. its contents. For example Super Mario World is a minigame (content) within WarioWare: Get It Together! (container). It is named after and based on Super Mario World, but it is not literally the same thing just because it’s the same combination of words. The former is a component within a video game. The latter actually is a video game. The same principal is applicable to song titles and the like. To partially italicize the titles of contents like this (or even of containers, as I sometimes encounter in citations for full books that happen to include the names of video games in their titles) dilutes the utility of italicizing the names of media in the first place.
Oppose: Do nothing (status quo)
Comments (Do not use partial italics)
For reference, here's a relevant previous proposal where it was decided that video game titles within physical game titles should be italicised. I don't believe there was ever a discussion about formatting music titles like this, though. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:38, December 7, 2025 (EST)
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