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===Remove template maps from articles=== | ===Remove template maps from articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|2-7-1|add to all necessary articles}} | |||
Before anyone thinks that I'm proposing to remove all maps from the wiki, let me elaborate. On location articles for [[Paper Mario]] and the [[Mario & Luigi (series)|Mario & Luigi series]] ([[Toad Town]], [[Hoohoo Mountain]], [[Thwomp Volcano]], [[Cavi Cape]], etc.), there is a small map that allows someone to to go from one location to another location in the same game. That is what I'm proposing to remove. Why? One, the map is really small. It's impractical to look for a location since some of the locations are right next to eachother. Two, it's unnecessary. What's wrong with simply searching for the location, or going to the navigation template? Three, it's inconsistent. [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]] and [[Super Mario RPG]], and possibly others, have in-game maps too, yet they don't have a map for all of their location articles. | Before anyone thinks that I'm proposing to remove all maps from the wiki, let me elaborate. On location articles for [[Paper Mario]] and the [[Mario & Luigi (series)|Mario & Luigi series]] ([[Toad Town]], [[Hoohoo Mountain]], [[Thwomp Volcano]], [[Cavi Cape]], etc.), there is a small map that allows someone to to go from one location to another location in the same game. That is what I'm proposing to remove. Why? One, the map is really small. It's impractical to look for a location since some of the locations are right next to eachother. Two, it's unnecessary. What's wrong with simply searching for the location, or going to the navigation template? Three, it's inconsistent. [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]] and [[Super Mario RPG]], and possibly others, have in-game maps too, yet they don't have a map for all of their location articles. | ||
I'll offer three choices: Remove these maps from the ones that have it, add these maps to the ones that lack it, or leave everything as it is. | I'll offer three choices: Remove these maps from the ones that have it, add these maps to the ones that lack it, or leave everything as it is. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Reversinator}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Reversinator}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': August 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
While regular navigation templates should be sufficient for navigating the articles, it might be worth keeping these templates on the game and/or world pages at the very least (like [[Bowser's body]] or [[Beanbean Kingdom]]), since it ''is'' much more efficient to show people which names apply to which spot, rather than having to explain it verbally. Granted, most of the time, the explanation's pretty straightforward and a tagged map isn't ''essential'', but there's at least one map I definitely don't want to see eradicated entirely: {{tem|Bowsermap}}. That layout's rather unorthodox and the directions can be quite bad - "large intestine" doesn't direct me to the [[Trash Pit]]'s location at all, but while "the green circle on the left next to the red elbow circle" ''does'' tell me what I want to know, that sort of description doesn't exactly seem like the kind of writing style we want on the articles (imho). If there was an option to remove the template from everywhere but [[Bowser's body]] and ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story#Locations|Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'' (like a "leave maps on hub pages only" option only, or something), I'd totally vote for it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | While regular navigation templates should be sufficient for navigating the articles, it might be worth keeping these templates on the game and/or world pages at the very least (like [[Bowser's body]] or [[Beanbean Kingdom]]), since it ''is'' much more efficient to show people which names apply to which spot, rather than having to explain it verbally. Granted, most of the time, the explanation's pretty straightforward and a tagged map isn't ''essential'', but there's at least one map I definitely don't want to see eradicated entirely: {{tem|Bowsermap}}. That layout's rather unorthodox and the directions can be quite bad - "large intestine" doesn't direct me to the [[Trash Pit]]'s location at all, but while "the green circle on the left next to the red elbow circle" ''does'' tell me what I want to know, that sort of description doesn't exactly seem like the kind of writing style we want on the articles (imho). If there was an option to remove the template from everywhere but [[Bowser's body]] and ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story#Locations|Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'' (like a "leave maps on hub pages only" option only, or something), I'd totally vote for it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Generic Subjects=== | ===Generic Subjects=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-0|support}} | |||
:'''''Draft''': [[User:Knife/Policy]] | :'''''Draft''': [[User:Knife/Policy]] | ||
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Finally, if this proposal passes, we will start deleting all generic subject articles which are not protected under the proposed Writing Guideline. This will be a slow campaign because tracking down the generic subject articles and determining whether they fit the criteria is time consuming, especially considering how subjective the criteria is. | Finally, if this proposal passes, we will start deleting all generic subject articles which are not protected under the proposed Writing Guideline. This will be a slow campaign because tracking down the generic subject articles and determining whether they fit the criteria is time consuming, especially considering how subjective the criteria is. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Knife}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Knife}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': September 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br> | '''Deadline''': September 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br> | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
'''@Toad85''': Home Run was already deleted, as per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive#Reality vs. Fiction|a proposal]] of which this new policy is an extension. And if that wasn't enough, the policy directly states that sports subjects, like home runs, are given less leeway, so no, it wouldn't "get past". Also, [[Poop]] ''is'' important to the gameplay of several ''Wario'' titles, and so it ''should'' stay (as we decided on a [[Talk:Poop#Delete|TPP]] a while back); this policy is written in a way that will ''let'' that happen, which is a good thing. - {{User|Walkazo}} | '''@Toad85''': Home Run was already deleted, as per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive#Reality vs. Fiction|a proposal]] of which this new policy is an extension. And if that wasn't enough, the policy directly states that sports subjects, like home runs, are given less leeway, so no, it wouldn't "get past". Also, [[Poop]] ''is'' important to the gameplay of several ''Wario'' titles, and so it ''should'' stay (as we decided on a [[Talk:Poop#Delete|TPP]] a while back); this policy is written in a way that will ''let'' that happen, which is a good thing. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Categorization=== | ===Categorization=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|20-0|use new policy}} | |||
:'''''Draft:''' [[User:Walkazo/Essays#MarioWiki:Categories]] | :'''''Draft:''' [[User:Walkazo/Essays#MarioWiki:Categories]] | ||
For years the admins have been talking about creating a proper system for our categories, rather than the unwritten rules and inconsistencies we have now. Well, we've ''finally'' come up with a solid idea and a comprehensive (some would say exhaustive) policy page that everyone can follow - should the community at large agree with the admins that this is the way to go, of course. | For years the admins have been talking about creating a proper system for our categories, rather than the unwritten rules and inconsistencies we have now. Well, we've ''finally'' come up with a solid idea and a comprehensive (some would say exhaustive) policy page that everyone can follow - should the community at large agree with the admins that this is the way to go, of course. | ||
Basically, the idea is that the articles get the most specific categories possible, which would in turn be categorized under more general categories, leading back to the most basic and fundamental categories - which, altogether, is known as a "Category Tree" (the general category is the root, and the increasingly specific categories are the branches leading to the articles/leaves). For example, [[Count Bleck]] would be part of [[:Category:Super Paper Mario Characters]], which would be part of [[:Category:Paper Mario Series Characters]], which would be part of {{ | Basically, the idea is that the articles get the most specific categories possible, which would in turn be categorized under more general categories, leading back to the most basic and fundamental categories - which, altogether, is known as a "Category Tree" (the general category is the root, and the increasingly specific categories are the branches leading to the articles/leaves). For example, [[Count Bleck]] would be part of [[:Category:Super Paper Mario Characters]], which would be part of [[:Category:Paper Mario Series Characters]], which would be part of {{fake link|Category:Mario Series Characters}}, which, finally, would be part of [[:Category:Characters]]. This makes navigation easier on many levels: for one thing, the articles have less categories to sift through (i.e. Bleck's currently got all three of the existing categories I've listed here (SPM Char., PM Series Char., Characters)), but the more general categories can still be reached with a couple clicks of the mouse. But rather than having increasingly big lists to comb through when getting more and more general, you're presented with links to various smaller lists, which are easier to sort through. However, if you still want the big lists, there's always [[List of characters|Characters]], and other such "List Pages", so dividing up the categories with the tree system doesn't deprive anyone of resources - it just provides new, easier ways to read through the same info. [http://pics.livejournal.com/walkazo/pic/0002zdbr Here's some examples of what some trees would look like.] | ||
And that's not all. While categories in a tree are all connected, different trees also connect to other trees, forming extensive "Category Webs". For example, cat:SPM Characters isn't just part of cat:PM Series Characters - it's also a subcategory of [[:Category:Super Paper Mario]] (which is part of {{ | And that's not all. While categories in a tree are all connected, different trees also connect to other trees, forming extensive "Category Webs". For example, cat:SPM Characters isn't just part of cat:PM Series Characters - it's also a subcategory of [[:Category:Super Paper Mario]] (which is part of {{fake link|Category:Paper Mario Series}}, which is part of [[:Category:Mario Games]], which is part of [[:Category:Games]]). cat:SPM also contains things like [[:Category:Super Paper Mario Enemies]] and even [[:Category:Super Paper Mario Images]], etc., which all link back to their own trees - and together, the ''SPM'' branches of all those trees (leading down from the roots to the ''SPM'' pages) forms an overall ''Super Paper Mario'' category web. [http://pics.livejournal.com/walkazo/pic/0002yc22 Here's an example of what that web would look like (the second web is just part of the first, reorganized a bit for extra clarity.)] | ||
Of course, the branches don't just link to each other down at the most specific level (cat:PM Series Enemies/Characters/etc. are all part of cat:PM Series), and not every step needs a category for every subject of every game (some are just too minor for so much effort, among other reasons explained in the actual policy), and sometimes trees have entirely separate trees branching out of them (again, this is explained in the draft). But it's all very logic-based, and while the webs and trees might seem complicated at times, it's still an improvement over what we have now. | Of course, the branches don't just link to each other down at the most specific level (cat:PM Series Enemies/Characters/etc. are all part of cat:PM Series), and not every step needs a category for every subject of every game (some are just too minor for so much effort, among other reasons explained in the actual policy), and sometimes trees have entirely separate trees branching out of them (again, this is explained in the draft). But it's all very logic-based, and while the webs and trees might seem complicated at times, it's still an improvement over what we have now. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Walkazo}}, with input from {{User|Knife}}, {{User|Phoenix}}, {{User|Marioguy1}}, {{User|Cobold}}, and the other admins.<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Walkazo}}, with input from {{User|Knife}}, {{User|Phoenix}}, {{User|Marioguy1}}, {{User|Cobold}}, and the other admins.<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' September 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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:To be honest, I really don't want to go to the trouble of setting up a PipeProject: I don't see any benefit of having an arbitrary list of people who want to enact a policy that's already clearly explained, and which everyone will have to obey and employ anyway. I'd rather just get the updating underway as soon as the Proposal passes, and anyone who wants to help can just drop in. If users are unsure about how to proceed with certain categories, they can always come and ask me, or any other admin, for guidance. Users can even ask questions about what is and isn't a good idea for the trees/webs on the policy's talk page: it will be good to have the situations as examples for future reference, as new games necessitate the creation of new webs and branches. If PipeProjects offered more organizational benefits, then yeah, I'd agree that making one would be a good idea, but right now, I feel that everything it has to offer can be done just as easily without all the official trappings. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :To be honest, I really don't want to go to the trouble of setting up a PipeProject: I don't see any benefit of having an arbitrary list of people who want to enact a policy that's already clearly explained, and which everyone will have to obey and employ anyway. I'd rather just get the updating underway as soon as the Proposal passes, and anyone who wants to help can just drop in. If users are unsure about how to proceed with certain categories, they can always come and ask me, or any other admin, for guidance. Users can even ask questions about what is and isn't a good idea for the trees/webs on the policy's talk page: it will be good to have the situations as examples for future reference, as new games necessitate the creation of new webs and branches. If PipeProjects offered more organizational benefits, then yeah, I'd agree that making one would be a good idea, but right now, I feel that everything it has to offer can be done just as easily without all the official trappings. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::OK. I understand your thoughts perfectly. {{User|RandomYoshi}} 07:58, 19 September 2011 (EDT) | ::OK. I understand your thoughts perfectly. {{User|RandomYoshi}} 07:58, 19 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
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===Minigame or Mini-game=== | ===Minigame or Mini-game=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|15-1-2|use "minigame"}} | |||
Right now we have both spellings on the wiki. The unhyphenated version is being used for the [[Minigame]] page and the infobox {{tem|minigame infobox}}, while the hyphenated version is used in all the categories; both can be found on articles. Inconsistency is bad, so we should use one or the other, and I think minigame is the better choice - it's more straightforward, it's consistent with the spelling of [[Microgame]]s and it's even in an official game title: ''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Minigame Mania]]''. It's not the end of the world is it takes a while to slowly change the articles to use the unhyphenated version, but what ''would'' need to be speedily updated are the categories, to set a precedent. However, the entire categorization system is being revamped anyway if the above Writing Guideline passes, which is actually why I'm proposing this now: so I can kill two birds with one stone next week, and also provide a solid example of how the new Tree system should work by implementing it with the new "Minigame" categories right off the bat. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' September 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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Allow me to demonstrate. I have the [[Mini-Game Whistle]] in the wiki so, if the proposal passes, it will take away the hyphen. That is what I thought for when it passes. Do you agree? [[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 20:48, 16 September 2011 (EDT) | Allow me to demonstrate. I have the [[Mini-Game Whistle]] in the wiki so, if the proposal passes, it will take away the hyphen. That is what I thought for when it passes. Do you agree? [[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 20:48, 16 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
:Yeah, the hyphen would be removed ''unless'' it's explicitly called a "Mini-Game Whistle" in-game, in which case, our hands are tied. Similarly, if in-game modes have hyphenated occurrences of "Mini-Game", we have to use that, since it's not just a term we're using, it's a proper name. That's the only real caveat about this proposal - we can only be consistent in ''our'' spelling, but not Nintendo's. So in this case (assuming it ''is'' an official name), we could make statements like "the Mini-Game Whistle is used in minigames", but we couldn't change the name itself. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Yeah, the hyphen would be removed ''unless'' it's explicitly called a "Mini-Game Whistle" in-game, in which case, our hands are tied. Similarly, if in-game modes have hyphenated occurrences of "Mini-Game", we have to use that, since it's not just a term we're using, it's a proper name. That's the only real caveat about this proposal - we can only be consistent in ''our'' spelling, but not Nintendo's. So in this case (assuming it ''is'' an official name), we could make statements like "the Mini-Game Whistle is used in minigames", but we couldn't change the name itself. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Create {{fake link|Template:Anchor}}=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|15-1|create template}} | |||
This template would be similar to [[bulbapedia:Template:Anchor|this]], and has one main use; to anchor a section link to a specific part of a page, without adding it into the table of contents or affecting the table's appearance in any way. For example, linking to <nowiki>[[Badge#Fire Shield]]</nowiki>, would go straight to the badge's table entry, without actually changing the appearance of the article as a result of the template. This would also be used on other pages with large lists of entries in tables, such as [[Pokémon]], and any other articles that might benefit from it. | This template would be similar to [[bulbapedia:Template:Anchor|this]], and has one main use; to anchor a section link to a specific part of a page, without adding it into the table of contents or affecting the table's appearance in any way. For example, linking to <nowiki>[[Badge#Fire Shield]]</nowiki>, would go straight to the badge's table entry, without actually changing the appearance of the article as a result of the template. This would also be used on other pages with large lists of entries in tables, such as [[Pokémon]], and any other articles that might benefit from it. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Bop1996}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Bop1996}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' October 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' October 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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::'''@Wildgoose:''' Please save your critism for something reasonable. This wiki doesn't obey those type of rules that other Wiki's may use. If that was true, then so many proposals that were bad ideas would pass. Bulbapedia has a different format, yes, but the anchor has been tested and been proven effective and efficent. And there is no saving the MarioWiki. Right now, you are offending many users with the attitude that you came on with into these proposals. Perhaps you should look at it from both sides rather than yelling "it will ruin the wiki!" before commenting. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | ::'''@Wildgoose:''' Please save your critism for something reasonable. This wiki doesn't obey those type of rules that other Wiki's may use. If that was true, then so many proposals that were bad ideas would pass. Bulbapedia has a different format, yes, but the anchor has been tested and been proven effective and efficent. And there is no saving the MarioWiki. Right now, you are offending many users with the attitude that you came on with into these proposals. Perhaps you should look at it from both sides rather than yelling "it will ruin the wiki!" before commenting. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | ||
:::'''@Wildgoose:''' I hate to break it to you, but I just created the template on a [[User:Bop1996/Anchor|user subpage]], and tested it on another page, as seen [[User:Bop1996/Link#Snake1|here]], [[User:Bop1996/Link#Otacon1|here]], and [[User:Bop1996/Link#Snake2|here]]. The wiki has not crashed in any way and functions normally. {{User|Bop1996}} | :::'''@Wildgoose:''' I hate to break it to you, but I just created the template on a [[User:Bop1996/Anchor|user subpage]], and tested it on another page, as seen [[User:Bop1996/Link#Snake1|here]], [[User:Bop1996/Link#Otacon1|here]], and [[User:Bop1996/Link#Snake2|here]]. The wiki has not crashed in any way and functions normally. {{User|Bop1996}} | ||
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===Animation errors and cartoon episodes pages=== | ===Animation errors and cartoon episodes pages=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|21-0|create animation and continuity error sections}} | |||
The pages for the individual episodes of the three [[DIC]] cartoons and the [[Donkey Kong Country (television series)|CGI Donkey Kong Country series]] often lists the animation goofs (stuff like "Luigi has three eyes in one shot") and minor continuity errors, and due to the shoddy animation of all four shows, the listings can get quite big. However, the way they are organised isn't consistent, with most pages listing the errors in the Trivia section and an handful other putting them in their own separate sections. Either way, it needs to be more consistent. | The pages for the individual episodes of the three [[DIC]] cartoons and the [[Donkey Kong Country (television series)|CGI Donkey Kong Country series]] often lists the animation goofs (stuff like "Luigi has three eyes in one shot") and minor continuity errors, and due to the shoddy animation of all four shows, the listings can get quite big. However, the way they are organised isn't consistent, with most pages listing the errors in the Trivia section and an handful other putting them in their own separate sections. Either way, it needs to be more consistent. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Glowsquid}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Glowsquid}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' October 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' October 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
@Wildgoose: Your comment seems a tad offensive for how other users explain their proposals in this wiki. Please be more prudent next time. {{user|Coincollector}} | @Wildgoose: Your comment seems a tad offensive for how other users explain their proposals in this wiki. Please be more prudent next time. {{user|Coincollector}} | ||
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===Remove customizable infoboxes=== | ===Remove customizable infoboxes=== | ||
<span style=" | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|12-0|support}} | ||
Yeah, I've noticed a big problem in the past years and I want to stop in this way. Why stop? Because, in general, it's not appropiate. As an student of graphic design and experienced user, I've noticed that customizing some infoboxes like the {{tem|character infobox}}, the {{tem|item infobox}} or the {{tem|form infobox}}, by changing their preset colors for others is annoying because, most of the time users like to add acid or strong colors like <span style="background:red">red</span>, <span style="background:lime">bright green</span>, <span style="background:purple">purple</span>, <span style="background:blue">blue</span>, <span style="background:maroon">etc</span>. The problem of these colors is that hinder the user to read the info contained in the infoboxes and those colors take away totally the template's function and aesthetics. I suggest to remove all those options from the infoboxes to change their colors and customize them in less-useful tools that make the article less formal and consistent visually. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Coincollector}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Coincollector}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT. | '''Deadline''': October 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT. | ||
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::Basically, certain colors make it harder to read the text, unless the text is recolored as well. {{User|M&SG}} | ::Basically, certain colors make it harder to read the text, unless the text is recolored as well. {{User|M&SG}} | ||
:::Now I see and yes I agree, so I support. {{User|Tails777}} | :::Now I see and yes I agree, so I support. {{User|Tails777}} | ||
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===Allowance of a legitimate alternate account to contribute=== | ===Allowance of a legitimate alternate account to contribute=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
As there may be a few editors who edit sparingly from public places, and that some of these places may have password-stealing keyloggers or trojans installed, it would be wise to use <u>one</u> alternate account to prevent the main account, which may have Patroller or Administrator rights, from being harmed. The alternate account should not: | As there may be a few editors who edit sparingly from public places, and that some of these places may have password-stealing keyloggers or trojans installed, it would be wise to use <u>one</u> alternate account to prevent the main account, which may have Patroller or Administrator rights, from being harmed. The alternate account should not: | ||
#Hold any user rights | #Hold any user rights | ||
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#Have a username much different than the main account | #Have a username much different than the main account | ||
Wikipedia and other sites allows such, and my alternate account there is [[wikipedia:User:B.wilson-alt|B.wilson-alt]]. Is there appropriate consensus to agree with the decision? | Wikipedia and other sites allows such, and my alternate account there is [[wikipedia:User:B.wilson-alt|B.wilson-alt]]. Is there appropriate consensus to agree with the decision? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': November 6, 2011 23:59 GMT | '''Proposed Deadline''': November 6, 2011 23:59 GMT<br> | ||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' October 30, 2011, 02:51 GMT | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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@Walkazo:What about when one forgets a password (like Stooben Rooben)? Is he a sockpuppet? {{User|Magikrazy51}} | @Walkazo:What about when one forgets a password (like Stooben Rooben)? Is he a sockpuppet? {{User|Magikrazy51}} | ||
:No, he's not. If a user forgets their password, they can make a new account: it's a replacement, not a sockpuppet (and it's for a legitimate reason, unlike users trying to erase a record of misbehaviour by starting over with a new account). In these cases, the user still only has one usable account, so it's not an exception to the rule. '''B.wilson''': you can delete your own proposals within the first three days of their creation if you no longer support the idea. However, please be advised that it has to be properly archived, using a grey "DELETED BY PROPOSER" outcome (like how [[Talk:Super Mario Advance|this TPP]] used grey). - {{user|Walkazo}} | :No, he's not. If a user forgets their password, they can make a new account: it's a replacement, not a sockpuppet (and it's for a legitimate reason, unlike users trying to erase a record of misbehaviour by starting over with a new account). In these cases, the user still only has one usable account, so it's not an exception to the rule. '''B.wilson''': you can delete your own proposals within the first three days of their creation if you no longer support the idea. However, please be advised that it has to be properly archived, using a grey "DELETED BY PROPOSER" outcome (like how [[Talk:Super Mario Advance|this TPP]] used grey). - {{user|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Starting Planet Stop=== | ===Starting Planet Stop=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-16|keep using "starting planet"}} | |||
In [[Super Mario Galaxy]] and [[Super Mario Galaxy 2]], people call the first planet you go into the "Starting Planet". Not surprisingly, people at Mariowiki do the same. But this needs to stop because each planet is different from every other planet in its game. The first planet in a galaxy should be named the same way the others are named. For example, the "starting planet" in [[Good Egg Galaxy]] could be called the Dark\Light Planet. | In [[Super Mario Galaxy]] and [[Super Mario Galaxy 2]], people call the first planet you go into the "Starting Planet". Not surprisingly, people at Mariowiki do the same. But this needs to stop because each planet is different from every other planet in its game. The first planet in a galaxy should be named the same way the others are named. For example, the "starting planet" in [[Good Egg Galaxy]] could be called the Dark\Light Planet. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wildgoose}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Wildgoose}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' October 30, 2011 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' October 30, 2011 23:59 GMT | ||
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#{{User|Marioguy1}} - Per my arguments against the "No Starting Planet Left Behind" proposal in archive 26. | #{{User|Marioguy1}} - Per my arguments against the "No Starting Planet Left Behind" proposal in archive 26. | ||
#{{user|mario & Luigi}} I'd rather have the Prima names (Planet A, Planet B, etc.) than this. Per all. | #{{user|mario & Luigi}} I'd rather have the Prima names (Planet A, Planet B, etc.) than this. Per all. | ||
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} – Despite the fact that I supported the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 26#No Starting Planet Left Behind!|"No Starting Planet Left Behind!" proposal in the twenty-sixth archive]], this matter has been decided twice: both times in favor of keeping the status quo. I myself support the "third option" of merging the planets into the mission articles in the least redundant manner possible, but there is no need to go through all of this discussion again when this proposal will likely be defeated a third time. | #{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} – Despite the fact that I supported the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/26#No Starting Planet Left Behind!|"No Starting Planet Left Behind!" proposal in the twenty-sixth archive]], this matter has been decided twice: both times in favor of keeping the status quo. I myself support the "third option" of merging the planets into the mission articles in the least redundant manner possible, but there is no need to go through all of this discussion again when this proposal will likely be defeated a third time. | ||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per all. Though ''if'' we were to rename the starting planets, or any other planet really, differently, we would use the in-game filename for them. | #{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per all. Though ''if'' we were to rename the starting planets, or any other planet really, differently, we would use the in-game filename for them. | ||
#{{User|M&SG}} - A lot of the planet names are conjectural, so it would be no good if we change the starting planet names, unless we have official sources. | #{{User|M&SG}} - A lot of the planet names are conjectural, so it would be no good if we change the starting planet names, unless we have official sources. | ||
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::::Yes... By Prima Guides... {{User|Mario & Luigi}} | ::::Yes... By Prima Guides... {{User|Mario & Luigi}} | ||
:::::'''@Phoenix''': It wasn't ''that'' bad; remember, your second proposal ended with both sides tied. As for this little discussion right here, official or not, if the names don't aid in reader comprehension of the planets, there's no point in using them. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | :::::'''@Phoenix''': It wasn't ''that'' bad; remember, your second proposal ended with both sides tied. As for this little discussion right here, official or not, if the names don't aid in reader comprehension of the planets, there's no point in using them. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | ||
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===Countdowns for upcoming games=== | ===Countdowns for upcoming games=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|no countdowns}} | |||
Personally i think this would be a great feature,basically theres a countdown to the release of the game(depending on where it launches first)and when the first one is up re-do it to the countdown of the next launch date example: ''Mario Kart 7 launches in japan in [countdown]'' and after its released re-do it depending on wheres next. Main page or actual game article state whatever you think is better,and either support or oppose on whichever. | Personally i think this would be a great feature,basically theres a countdown to the release of the game(depending on where it launches first)and when the first one is up re-do it to the countdown of the next launch date example: ''Mario Kart 7 launches in japan in [countdown]'' and after its released re-do it depending on wheres next. Main page or actual game article state whatever you think is better,and either support or oppose on whichever. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Donaldthescotishtwin}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Donaldthescotishtwin}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': November 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': November 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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'''@Wildgoose:''' Why do you always say things will create errors? See here: ''{{#expr: 18-{{CURRENTDAY}}}}'' days until [[Super Mario 3D Land]] in Europe. The italic number you see here is calculated when you entered this page. No errors you see? {{User|Lakituthequick}} | '''@Wildgoose:''' Why do you always say things will create errors? See here: ''{{#expr: 18-{{CURRENTDAY}}}}'' days until [[Super Mario 3D Land]] in Europe. The italic number you see here is calculated when you entered this page. No errors you see? {{User|Lakituthequick}} | ||
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=== A template for references and for articles with too many plain refs === | === A template for references and for articles with too many plain refs === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
This proposal's purpose is to eliminate plain references, and to discourage others to stop creating them. Very recently, many articles are filled with plain references, as well as them being added from time to time. | This proposal's purpose is to eliminate plain references, and to discourage others to stop creating them. Very recently, many articles are filled with plain references, as well as them being added from time to time. | ||
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I think this will make our references filled even more quickly. I doubt that anyone would oppose such a great idea. | I think this will make our references filled even more quickly. I doubt that anyone would oppose such a great idea. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': November 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Proposed Deadline''': November 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br> | ||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' November 5, 2011, 01:24 GMT | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Walkazo - You may say that plain tags have no problems, as I agree with that, but it just doesn't look professional. If there are filled, they will look better, because it will help others. I know I wasted a lot of time doing this yesterday because you are refusing the support the idea. Of course, the KIDS don't have to fill them in, if there are plain links added, then we can fill them in. It would make the wiki look a lot more professional. If you want the wiki to be the best database and reference source about our favorite plumber, why are you against making it more professional? {{User|B.wilson}} | Walkazo - You may say that plain tags have no problems, as I agree with that, but it just doesn't look professional. If there are filled, they will look better, because it will help others. I know I wasted a lot of time doing this yesterday because you are refusing the support the idea. Of course, the KIDS don't have to fill them in, if there are plain links added, then we can fill them in. It would make the wiki look a lot more professional. If you want the wiki to be the best database and reference source about our favorite plumber, why are you against making it more professional? {{User|B.wilson}} | ||
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===New Super Mario Bros. Wii Level Split=== | ===New Super Mario Bros. Wii Level Split=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-12|don't split}} | |||
For levels in [[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]], people keep them all in an article depending on their world.Why? This doesn't give the wiki a chance to give an overview of the levels, like how to get the [[Star Coins]] or how to reach the secret exit. The purpose of this proposal is to split all levels in New Super Mario Bros. Wii so each level has its own article. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wildgoose}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Wildgoose}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' November 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline:''' November 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|Bop1996}} We already voted a proposal down that was similar to this [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 25#Split the level articles from the world articles and delete the world articles|here]]. Per Mario4Ever and Walkazo in that archived proposal. | #{{User|Bop1996}} We already voted a proposal down that was similar to this [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/25#Split the level articles from the world articles and delete the world articles|here]]. Per Mario4Ever and Walkazo in that archived proposal. | ||
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - We don't need to create more articles; that doesn't give us more information, it just moves the information to harder-to-reach pages so that people searching for it will have to click through several more links to get to it. | #{{User|Marioguy1}} - We don't need to create more articles; that doesn't give us more information, it just moves the information to harder-to-reach pages so that people searching for it will have to click through several more links to get to it. | ||
#{{User|Mario & Luigi}} Per Marioguy1. | #{{User|Mario & Luigi}} Per Marioguy1. | ||
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:Just like MG1 said, making separate pages for each level won't make them any more detailed; it's just how much is put into each section. {{User|Yoshiwaker}} | :Just like MG1 said, making separate pages for each level won't make them any more detailed; it's just how much is put into each section. {{User|Yoshiwaker}} | ||
::'''@Wildgoose:''' I understand why you want to have another support with you, but you really need to do some research before doing proposals. Your SMG proposal has already been tried multiple times, and this one is similar to when a user wanted to split all Super Mario Bros. levels into separate pages. Bop is not causing you to lose this proposal, nor is it preventing people from supporting it. If you want a proposal to pass, you got to have strong evidence as well as strong reasoning for why it is being done. You also have to look at both sides, especially the side-effects. For example, if this was to pass, then many other things would have to be split to keep consistency on the wiki. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | ::'''@Wildgoose:''' I understand why you want to have another support with you, but you really need to do some research before doing proposals. Your SMG proposal has already been tried multiple times, and this one is similar to when a user wanted to split all Super Mario Bros. levels into separate pages. Bop is not causing you to lose this proposal, nor is it preventing people from supporting it. If you want a proposal to pass, you got to have strong evidence as well as strong reasoning for why it is being done. You also have to look at both sides, especially the side-effects. For example, if this was to pass, then many other things would have to be split to keep consistency on the wiki. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} | ||
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===Blacklisting inappropriate titles=== | ===Blacklisting inappropriate titles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-11|oppose}} | |||
Over the past few weeks, I've noticed disproportionately inappropriate usernames being created. Such as "Stop blocking my socks", and other usernames, such as a username insulting another user on the site. | Over the past few weeks, I've noticed disproportionately inappropriate usernames being created. Such as "Stop blocking my socks", and other usernames, such as a username insulting another user on the site. | ||
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If we insert the following Regex: | If we insert the following Regex: | ||
<code>.*[Bb]\.[Ww]ilson.* <newaccountonly|errmsg=This username has been identified as harmful, and has bene blacklisted from creation. Please choose a different username.></code> | |||
If they create an account again that contains B.wilson (even with alterations, such as B.Wilson or Bwilson) the text in errmsg will be displayed: This username has been identified as harmful, and has bene blacklisted from creation. Please choose a different username. | If they create an account again that contains B.wilson (even with alterations, such as B.Wilson or Bwilson) the text in errmsg will be displayed: This username has been identified as harmful, and has bene blacklisted from creation. Please choose a different username. | ||
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This can also prevent inappropriate page moves, edits, and page creations. Do you think it's a great idea? This Regex should be stored on [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist]]. I made this proposal due to the fact that the page is empty. | This can also prevent inappropriate page moves, edits, and page creations. Do you think it's a great idea? This Regex should be stored on [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist]]. I made this proposal due to the fact that the page is empty. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|B.wilson}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': November 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': November 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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:::I feel it is more polite to give out my real reasons for votes for consensus, even if it's just a rephrase or paraphrase of another's vote - and then give my original reasons. Best, {{User|B.wilson}} | :::I feel it is more polite to give out my real reasons for votes for consensus, even if it's just a rephrase or paraphrase of another's vote - and then give my original reasons. Best, {{User|B.wilson}} | ||
::::Aside from it being redundant to rephrase or paraphrase another user's vote, more often than not, as a proposal approaches deadline, there are going to be fewer and fewer original reasons, simply because initial votes in either direction require a reason, and the users that follow won't come up with a new reason if they agree with one already present. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | ::::Aside from it being redundant to rephrase or paraphrase another user's vote, more often than not, as a proposal approaches deadline, there are going to be fewer and fewer original reasons, simply because initial votes in either direction require a reason, and the users that follow won't come up with a new reason if they agree with one already present. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | ||
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===Create articles for media with several references=== | ===Create articles for media with several references=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-7|oppose}} | |||
There are some TV shows/Internet stuff/Movies/Anything else with many references. Some with enough to qualify for their own page. This makes the references pages very long. I feel that doing this would cut back on the references pages. I see many other wikis do it. Some prime contenders would be Futurama and Homestar Runner among others. | There are some TV shows/Internet stuff/Movies/Anything else with many references. Some with enough to qualify for their own page. This makes the references pages very long. I feel that doing this would cut back on the references pages. I see many other wikis do it. Some prime contenders would be Futurama and Homestar Runner among others. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': November 13, 2011 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': November 13, 2011 23:59 GMT | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} I don't really see the point for new pages full of references, and besides, it doesn't belong to the ''[[Mario ( | #{{User|Lakituthequick}} I don't really see the point for new pages full of references, and besides, it doesn't belong to the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise and is not licenced by [[Nintendo]]. | ||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per Lakituthequick. | #{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per Lakituthequick. | ||
#{{User|B.wilson}} – '''Weak Oppose'''. I don't really understand the full meaning of the proposal, but if I'm not mistaken, here's my opinion of what I think about the proposal. Some of the references may not be reliable sources (blogs aren't reliable, while news sources are). Furthermore, if Lakituthequick says it doesn't belong to the ''Mario'' series (I will trust their opinion) why do you want to game the article count with articles non-Mario? | #{{User|B.wilson}} – '''Weak Oppose'''. I don't really understand the full meaning of the proposal, but if I'm not mistaken, here's my opinion of what I think about the proposal. Some of the references may not be reliable sources (blogs aren't reliable, while news sources are). Furthermore, if Lakituthequick says it doesn't belong to the ''Mario'' series (I will trust their opinion) why do you want to game the article count with articles non-Mario? | ||
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::Hmmm....if that's the case, I am neutral. Wish there would be a "neutral section" :P --{{User|B.wilson}} | ::Hmmm....if that's the case, I am neutral. Wish there would be a "neutral section" :P --{{User|B.wilson}} | ||
So let me get this straight. You want there to be a page like "List of | So let me get this straight. You want there to be a page like "List of references in *insert other media here*" for certain media with large amounts of Mario references. My main beef with this is the fact that your qualifications for splitting them into a new page are very vague, so I'd rather see a kb limit or something before supporting. {{User|Bop1996}} | ||
Other wikis I go to have separate pages for a certain TV show or anything else with enough references to qualify for a page. I think the same could be done here. Homestar Runner, for example, has more than enough references. Futurama, possibly. The Mad TV series seems to be getting there as it's only in its second season with many references (although it would be a bit of a stretch right now). I'm defiantly not saying to make pages for everything that referenced Mario, just the specific shows/bands/video game series/etc that have referenced Mario multiple times. {{User|Magikrazy51}} | Other wikis I go to have separate pages for a certain TV show or anything else with enough references to qualify for a page. I think the same could be done here. Homestar Runner, for example, has more than enough references. Futurama, possibly. The Mad TV series seems to be getting there as it's only in its second season with many references (although it would be a bit of a stretch right now). I'm defiantly not saying to make pages for everything that referenced Mario, just the specific shows/bands/video game series/etc that have referenced Mario multiple times. {{User|Magikrazy51}} | ||
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:::Per what Bop thinks about what the proposal is about, I weakly '''Oppose'''. {{User|B.wilson}} | :::Per what Bop thinks about what the proposal is about, I weakly '''Oppose'''. {{User|B.wilson}} | ||
::::The article would probably be called "Online references/Homestar Runner". {{User|Marioguy1}} | ::::The article would probably be called "Online references/Homestar Runner". {{User|Marioguy1}} | ||
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===English vs. Japanese names=== | ===English vs. Japanese names=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-2-8|leave it as is}} | |||
I think this needs to be settled once and for all. | I think this needs to be settled once and for all. | ||
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My point is, agruing about it in TTP's is not going to help. We simply need to just decide what we are going to choose to decide names about articles that have different English names but same Japanese names. And yes, there are some exceptions to this, but not many. | My point is, agruing about it in TTP's is not going to help. We simply need to just decide what we are going to choose to decide names about articles that have different English names but same Japanese names. And yes, there are some exceptions to this, but not many. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': Novemeber 17, 2011 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': Novemeber 17, 2011 23:59 GMT | ||
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'''@Tails777''': While we're splitting the Pale Piranha (or trying to anyway) on the basis of its English name, the logic is coming mostly from behavior; it behaves like it's a different species, and while the Japanese names may be the same, our equally valid English source has confirmed them to be different species, so that's where the split is coming from. {{User|Bop1996}} | '''@Tails777''': While we're splitting the Pale Piranha (or trying to anyway) on the basis of its English name, the logic is coming mostly from behavior; it behaves like it's a different species, and while the Japanese names may be the same, our equally valid English source has confirmed them to be different species, so that's where the split is coming from. {{User|Bop1996}} | ||
:Well, behaviour and appearance. Pale Piranhas are pale, unlike normal Piranha Plants, so NOA is right in giving them a unique English name. However, the other ''TYD'' species, "[[Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)|Killer Piranhas]]" are explicitly said to be stronger than "normal" Piranha Plants, even in the English version, and so NOA was wrong to simply call them "Piranha Plants", but since they have unique names in Japan and at least a couple European translations, we're not stuck abiding by this lapse in judgement and are able to split them. The language doesn't matter: it's all coming from Nintendo so it's all official, and so, fair-game for us to use. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Well, behaviour and appearance. Pale Piranhas are pale, unlike normal Piranha Plants, so NOA is right in giving them a unique English name. However, the other ''TYD'' species, "[[Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)|Killer Piranhas]]" are explicitly said to be stronger than "normal" Piranha Plants, even in the English version, and so NOA was wrong to simply call them "Piranha Plants", but since they have unique names in Japan and at least a couple European translations, we're not stuck abiding by this lapse in judgement and are able to split them. The language doesn't matter: it's all coming from Nintendo so it's all official, and so, fair-game for us to use. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Bringing the "Spoiler" template back=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
I think we used to have a Spoiler template,I don't see why it was removed/deleted but me thinks we need it again,especially with all the upcoming games,those articles are ALL spoilers, a reader will take an interest but they may not want to know Everything,plus with all the info we look for and add to the articles sometimes i can't see us without one,and if this passes I can wip one up pretty quick if someone gives an appropriate image. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Donaldthescotishtwin}}<br> | |||
'''Proposed Deadline''': November 30, 2011, 23:59 GMT.<br> | |||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' November 23, 2011, 22:32 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Donaldthescotishtwin}} | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Bop1996}} We voted this down [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/24#Remove_Spoiler_Templates|here]] with a pretty significant margin. Here are some of the reasons why this happened: we had virtually no consistency, which was highly problematic. We also mostly agreed that almost everything is a spoiler, so making off specific portions as "Spoilers" isn't usually necessary. We agreed that mentioning it on [[MarioWiki:About]] was good enough to warn people that spoilers are unmarked here. All in all, I see no reason to bring it back, since this does nothing to refute the previous arguments. | |||
#{{User|Nintendo64Fan}}Per Bop. | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Bop | |||
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===Create articles for Mario Kart Battle Modes and Mario Party Minigame modes=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-10|oppose}} | |||
All of these are currently merged with [[Mario Kart (series)]] and In the Mario Party full game articles and I think they deseve their own articles. All the Battle Courses have a page and the Mario Party Boards have one. This should also shorten loading times on pages when doing this and putting them into a full Article. There are no redirects to these pages as well. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|New Super Yoshi}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': November 27, 2011, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}}Per my Proposal. | |||
#{{User|Ratfink43}} They seem big enough to deserve their own article | |||
#{{User|Toad85}} It couldn't hurt. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Actually, I think the modes are fine the way they are. I don't see why Minigame Modes need their own article when they are fine with their respective Mario Party article, while Battle Mode still fits fine in the Mario Kart series. Also, why disregard other modes such as Time Trials? I'm also opposing this because of lack of consistency. | |||
#{{user|Coincollector}} - If I could oppose twice I would. Per BLOF, and to corroborate her arguments, we had former discussions to merge various sorts of modes to their respective articles (ie: Donkey Kong Country's Time Attack article) because splitting the modes from them would reduce considerably the importance of the games'articles and their content. | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per BLOF and Coincollector. | |||
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Raven Effect}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Marwikedor}} Per everybody | |||
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|B.wilson}} - '''Weak Oppose''' per Coincollector, nothing's wrong with doing so, but it's best to leave it the way it is currently. | |||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} — per BLOF. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
@Toad85 Thanks for suporting but you need to have a valid reason for voting. {{User|New Super Yoshi}} | |||
:The question is, Mr. 85, could it help? {{User|Magikrazy51}} | |||
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===Music files=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
I have noticed that certain pages have music files on them, such as Paper Mario:TTYD and Mario Kart Wii. But I ask this: Why do we have those music files on the game's article? Wouldn't it be better to put the music on the article it is from. An example for those who don't understand: Instead of putting the music for Luigi Circuit from Mario Kart Wii on Mario Kart Wii's article, why not put all the Luigi Circuit themes on the Luigi Circuit article? The same for bosses from the RPGs, Mario Party boards. If you don't completely understand, see [[User:Tails777/proposal test|here]] | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Tails777}}<br> | |||
'''Proposed Deadline''': December 9, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br> | |||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' December 4, 2011, 03:46 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}}Per my proposal | |||
#{{User|Mpeng}} Putting the music from Luigi Circuit in the <i>article</i> about Luigi Circuit makes more sense than putting it in the article about Mario Kart Wii, definitely. | |||
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} Makes sense to me. Per Mpeng and Tails777. | |||
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} Per Tails777. | |||
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Red}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all | |||
#{{User|ThePremiumYoshi}} Per proposal | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
====Comments==== | |||
This does sound like it would work a little, but wouldn't it also make it harder to search for a collection of music from a certain game? For example, if you want to find music from Mario Kart Wii, you would probably look for it on the Mario Kart Wii article. However, if this proposal were to pass, you wouldn't find a lot of music because most of it would be scattered throughout other articles. Basically, it could potentially make it harder to find the music you want. | |||
I think a good idea would be to have all of the music in the game's article, and then have links in other articles that would lead you to the section in the game's article with the music file in it. So, let's say you want to listen to music from Luigi's Circuit in Mario Kart Wii, and you went on the Luigi's Circuit article to find it. Instead of having all the music files in that article, there would instead be a link to [[Mario Kart Wii#Media|here]], where you can find other MKW music too. I'll try to explain more if it doesn't make sense. {{User|Fawfulfury65}} | |||
'''@Fawfulfury65''' The reason we shouldn't put the music on the game's article is that some articles will have too much music. For example the Paper Mario series. That would be one for each boss and location and character theme when it's easier to put the music on the character's or location's page. If we put all the music on one page, that would make it looked cramped. I understand for the Mario Kart series and your idea there might be better than mine, but I am focusing more on the games with more music than the Mario Kart series such as the Paper Mario series and both Super Mario Galaxies. {{User|Tails777}} | |||
:If the media sections get excessively long, couldn't we just use a scrollbox? {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
::Either that or on a separate subpage, like Galleries sometimes are. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
:::It hasn't been three days since I created this proposal. Can I change it up a little? Cause Bop1996's idea of creating a sub page for music is way better than my idea. {{User|Tails777}} | |||
::::Now you'd have to request a deletion by an admin, then recreate it with the changes you need. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
:::::Do I have to wait to restart the proposal or can I recreate it right away? {{User|Tails777}} | |||
::::::After it gets deleted, you can recreate it right away if you wish. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
:::::::Alright, I'm now requesting that this proposal gets deleted please. {{User|Tails777}} | |||
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===MarioWiki:Upcoming content=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|17-0|support}} | |||
This writing guideline is meant to establish a consistent guideline for how we handle content from unreleased games. The only aspect of upcoming content that is not covered in this guideline are the project articles themselves. This is because I believe they need a separate guideline page due to their complex nature. Most of what's covered in the guideline is already more or less adhered to, except for one thing. If this proposal passes, '''all information about upcoming projects will need to have a suitable reference'''. The main reason for this is because information from upcoming projects are at high risk of being false and references improve our credibility. It really shouldn't be too difficult to enforce on a mass scale, today's games have ton of secondary source coverage and it is easy to find something that backs up the information. The process is detailed a little more in the draft page. Comments and suggestions for improvement are always welcome. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Knife}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': December 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br> | |||
'''Draft''': [[User:Knife/Policy]] | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Knife}} – Per proposal. | |||
#{{user|coincollector}} - Per all. And what per all I mean is Knife. | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} I could actually keep track of new info which I always would want to Per all. | |||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per Knife. We really need this thing. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Knife. | |||
#{{User|B.wilson}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Lindsay151}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Toad85}} I don't know what to say other than Per All, and that's a bad thing. However, this proposal is a good thing. | |||
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per Knife! Great idea! | |||
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Awesome12456}} ok | |||
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} I thought this was already in effect - a definite Yes. | |||
#{{User|Raven Effect}} Per proposal | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
====Comments==== | |||
It's just my opinion, but I think it's not by their complex nature but rather by their unique nature. Regarding to the new subjects (articles that talk about new element of the game like enemies, courses, etc. ''especially'' those that are introduced in a game) Is it possible to use the infoboxes and make mention of their appearance? I see a problem with this. Usually we don't include the appearance of something of a an upcoming game in the infobox until it is officially released. However, some articles (for example, the racecourses of Mario Kart 7) include their appearance despite the fact that the game has not been released yet which may be incosistent to the guidelines. {{user|coincollector}} | |||
:That's why those articles have the <nowiki>{{newsubject}}</nowiki> template on them. The information within the articles, as I understand it, is coming from one or more of the official websites, but that doesn't mean the articles aren't subject to revision once the game comes out. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
Yes, but that doesn't explain the necessity to include an infobox with such information in a upcoming subject, that's what bothers me. Include information to the infoboxes respecting the sources or get the rules of not include information to them until the game is released? {{user|Coincollector}} | |||
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the issue only arises when people try to add appearances in an unreleased game on preexisting subjects (like if someone tried to say that the latest appearance of Maple Treeway is in MK7). There's nothing that says we can't include appearances in infoboxes for subjects (e.g. Melody Motorway) that have yet to appear in the series provided it comes from a reputable source. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
If that were the case, I think it should be needed to make notice of that, because some people may get that the appearance of a new subject should be applied likewise for another previously released and will make an upcoming appearance as well. {{User|Coincollector}} | |||
:Maybe the new subject's infoboxes could have "(upcoming)" next to the game's name to set them apart from normal released appearances. I also think it'd be a good idea to have a small section on Infoboxes in the policy page to make the varying use of the "latest appearance" clear. Additionally, I think more emphasis on using references could be made in the "New articles pertaining to upcoming project" and "Previously existing articles in upcoming projects" - nothing major, however, just a short note in each section (leaving the discussion to the section). Like, in the former section one sentence could be expanded to "''If an article does have sufficient information backed up by reliable references,''", and the latter section could have "''as long as the information is not speculation and is accompanied by solid references''". Also, "''Once information has been rewritten''" seems redundant: if the info was well-written from the start, maybe it doesn't need rewriting, just supplementation, and something like "''Once the project has been released for a reasonable amount of time and more content has been added''" seems like it's giving more bang for the buck (since it's also pointing out that the template can't be removed immediately). - {{user|Walkazo}} | |||
'''@ Walkazo:''' That sounds fine to me. {{user|Coincollector}} | |||
@Stuff regarding infobox usage: I'm not going to include that into this Writing Guideline since that is a rule that deals with the template specifically. Such rules of usage should be mentioned on the template page itself. The only reason why I mention how to use the Newsubject templates is because those template are specifically for this purpose.<br> | |||
@Walkazo's suggestion to the wording: I'll amend all the changes you suggested except for the "''Once the project has been released for a reasonable amount of time and more content has been added''" suggestion. I don't think either case is necessary to do a rewrite. Sometime the amount of content is fine as it is and asking for more can sometimes prove to be difficult. Using the words "reasonable time" is unnecessarily restrictive. If the article has all the information it needs, then why wait longer to remove the template? Plus what defines a "reasonable" amount of time? I should clarify though; rewrite in cases like this only refers to changing future tense in present tense (will appear>appears in) and removing unneeded references. I will expand on this more when I make the amendments.--{{User|Knife}} 11:16, 29 November 2011 (EST) | |||
Okay, made some changes. Supporters, please review them. I basically just differentiated vaporware and cancelled games (based on Glowsquid's proposal) and added a section for revision help.--{{User|Knife}} 23:56, 29 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:The changes are good, but I disagree with your decision to not include anything about the infoboxes. While the infoboxes ''do'' have their own sets of rules on the pages, this particular aspect of their use is ''directly related to'' upcoming/new releases. Dealing with infoboxes (or leaving them alone) is part of writing about upcoming games, and since different things are being done regarding the infoboxes, an outline for those specific procedures would be handy on a Writing Guideline. Why hope that users will happen to visit infobox pages and find out what to do when you could easily present them the info in a couple lines of text, laid out nice and simple? There's no rule against only describing writing policies in one page and no where else - on the contrary, many policy pages ''have'' overlapping content, and that's a good thing. It's not like it'll be a huge essay about general infobox usage, so what's the harm? - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
::A specific suggestion regarding infoboxes: we would probably benefit from a note somewhere about changing the images on infoboxes after the games release, as I don't believe that's official policy, and it could use some clarification. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
:::Again I agree with Walkazo. Abstain from this suggestion means you're leaving this in half-way, Knife. This is ''also'' part of the upcoming project, And I'm not talking the infobox itself, it's the information of the infobox that likewise is part of the context. At Bop1996, what do you mean exactly? In my experience, I see that some pictures are changed often when a new game is released. But not always... For example, Princess Daisy's picture has been never changed to this point, similar to Waluigi's. Additionally, I dunno really, but it seems there is a rule about not adding pictures of characters alongside other objects that may distract the prime subject... for example: the picture of Metal Mario of Mario Kart 7 which is new but it cannot be used by these circumstances. {{user|Coincollector}} | |||
::::Recently, when we've had new high-quality artworks of characters like, Peach, Mario, Toad, etc, people seem to just replace the artwork when they feel like it. MeritC, I believe, has been reverting these changes until the games release, and I started doing the same for the same reasons. However, this isn't in any policy currently, but since we're discussing infoboxes and upcoming content, I figured it would be a good idea to mention that we aren't supposed to change the infobox images until the game they come from has released. We don't have to change it when the game releases if the artwork isn't better, but if we agree to change it, it should wait until after the game releases, basically. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
:::Hmmm... MeritC told me the same thing and apparently that discussion came from the forums (Again I'm not sure). Going to your point, I guess it needs to be applied but looking how we are currently with the images, I think we should clarify that a bit more. But, again it can be done - At least if Knife approves this or else we have to do this by ourselves. {{User|Coincollector}} | |||
Sorry for the late response. If you all really feel it's necessary to mention it here, that's fine. However, I'm not 100% sure what you want me to put in. It would probably be best for someone who is more familiar with the userbox usage to write that section of the guideline. You can either add a section for it on draft or post raw coding into this comments section (for non-sysops). If no one comes up with a draft by then, we can put in later assuming no one opposes adding this information.--{{User|Knife}} 20:24, 4 December 2011 (EST) | |||
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===Music Files=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-2|support}} | |||
I read one of Bop1996's comments in the previous proposal of mine and he had a better idea, to make a sub page for music files. (So credit to him for the idea). So I decided to delete the other proposal and restart it and going with his idea instead. | |||
'''Proposer:'''{{User|Tails777}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:'''December 10, 2011 23:59 GST<br> | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|B.wilson}} If you say the music would be located at a subpage named ''Music'', like for the article [[Mario]], ''Mario/Music'', I'd say it's an adequate idea. | |||
#{{User|Bop1996}} It would cut down on clutter in the music sections, just like having huge Galleries on separate pages does. | |||
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Pages would load faster. A yes from this impatient user. | |||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} Good idea, we can ask [[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] to create a namespace for music (like we have a gallery namespace) | |||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} — Per all. | |||
#{{User|Technickal}} Per all. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} I think just having a list of music is a bad idea. People can look it up on YouTube and people need a player to listen to these and it would be easier to find the song they are looking for on YouTube anyway and it would take a lot of work to upload every Mario song in the series. | |||
#{{User|Toad85}} Per NSY. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
For the record, the previous proposal about Music Files can be found [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive#Music_files|here]]. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
'''@ Tails777:''' Can you specify the title of your proposal? It's about the Sound files, but what's exactly the matter about them? {{user|Coincollector}} | |||
'''@Coincollector''' Nothing is wrong about them, I just find it would be better to put the music on a sub page rather than the game's page. Like what others have said, like gallery pages. {{User|Tails777}} | |||
I would only support this if we use YouTube Videos not Music Files because more people like me can listen to the music.--{{User|New Super Yoshi}} 11:37, 7 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:'''@ New Super Yoshi:''' The wiki doesn't use Youtube videos for the articles. See [[Mariowiki:Help]] for the reason. {{user|Coincollector}} | |||
I don't see a good reason. Anyway music and video flies are taken from YouTube so what is the point. -{{User|New Super Yoshi}} | |||
:We had various proposals talking about inserting Youtube videos to articles, which all of them failed, mostly because Youtube videos are very informal and because of that contrast greatly with the articles' essential function. {{user|Coincollector}} |
Latest revision as of 17:17, May 28, 2023
Remove template maps from articlesadd to all necessary articles 2-7-1 I'll offer three choices: Remove these maps from the ones that have it, add these maps to the ones that lack it, or leave everything as it is. Proposer: Reversinator (talk) Remove all maps
Add maps
Do nothingCommentsWhile regular navigation templates should be sufficient for navigating the articles, it might be worth keeping these templates on the game and/or world pages at the very least (like Bowser's body or Beanbean Kingdom), since it is much more efficient to show people which names apply to which spot, rather than having to explain it verbally. Granted, most of the time, the explanation's pretty straightforward and a tagged map isn't essential, but there's at least one map I definitely don't want to see eradicated entirely: {{Bowsermap}}. That layout's rather unorthodox and the directions can be quite bad - "large intestine" doesn't direct me to the Trash Pit's location at all, but while "the green circle on the left next to the red elbow circle" does tell me what I want to know, that sort of description doesn't exactly seem like the kind of writing style we want on the articles (imho). If there was an option to remove the template from everywhere but Bowser's body and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (like a "leave maps on hub pages only" option only, or something), I'd totally vote for it. - Walkazo (talk) Generic Subjectssupport 11-0
This is the first Writing Guideline and is based on my previous proposal. I think Generic Subjects articles should be regulated a little better, which is why I want to propose a Writing Guideline for it. As it is now, it is a very short Writing Guideline but it has room to grow over the course of this proposal. Even if it doesn't, there isn't that much to say about it without going overboard on examples. I just want to clarify that the statement under the "Exceptions" header stating "This does not apply to sports games.". The reason I wrote that was because nearly everything in the sports games can be construed as collecting (such a catching a basketball) or significant to gameplay (like a home run). This criteria still works well in almost every other genre. Finally, if this proposal passes, we will start deleting all generic subject articles which are not protected under the proposed Writing Guideline. This will be a slow campaign because tracking down the generic subject articles and determining whether they fit the criteria is time consuming, especially considering how subjective the criteria is. Proposer: Knife (talk) Support
OpposeComments@Toad85: Home Run was already deleted, as per a proposal of which this new policy is an extension. And if that wasn't enough, the policy directly states that sports subjects, like home runs, are given less leeway, so no, it wouldn't "get past". Also, Poop is important to the gameplay of several Wario titles, and so it should stay (as we decided on a TPP a while back); this policy is written in a way that will let that happen, which is a good thing. - Walkazo (talk) Categorizationuse new policy 20-0 For years the admins have been talking about creating a proper system for our categories, rather than the unwritten rules and inconsistencies we have now. Well, we've finally come up with a solid idea and a comprehensive (some would say exhaustive) policy page that everyone can follow - should the community at large agree with the admins that this is the way to go, of course. Basically, the idea is that the articles get the most specific categories possible, which would in turn be categorized under more general categories, leading back to the most basic and fundamental categories - which, altogether, is known as a "Category Tree" (the general category is the root, and the increasingly specific categories are the branches leading to the articles/leaves). For example, Count Bleck would be part of Category:Super Paper Mario Characters, which would be part of Category:Paper Mario Series Characters, which would be part of Category:Mario Series Characters, which, finally, would be part of Category:Characters. This makes navigation easier on many levels: for one thing, the articles have less categories to sift through (i.e. Bleck's currently got all three of the existing categories I've listed here (SPM Char., PM Series Char., Characters)), but the more general categories can still be reached with a couple clicks of the mouse. But rather than having increasingly big lists to comb through when getting more and more general, you're presented with links to various smaller lists, which are easier to sort through. However, if you still want the big lists, there's always Characters, and other such "List Pages", so dividing up the categories with the tree system doesn't deprive anyone of resources - it just provides new, easier ways to read through the same info. Here's some examples of what some trees would look like. And that's not all. While categories in a tree are all connected, different trees also connect to other trees, forming extensive "Category Webs". For example, cat:SPM Characters isn't just part of cat:PM Series Characters - it's also a subcategory of Category:Super Paper Mario (which is part of Category:Paper Mario Series, which is part of Category:Mario Games, which is part of Category:Games). cat:SPM also contains things like Category:Super Paper Mario Enemies and even Category:Super Paper Mario Images, etc., which all link back to their own trees - and together, the SPM branches of all those trees (leading down from the roots to the SPM pages) forms an overall Super Paper Mario category web. Here's an example of what that web would look like (the second web is just part of the first, reorganized a bit for extra clarity.) Of course, the branches don't just link to each other down at the most specific level (cat:PM Series Enemies/Characters/etc. are all part of cat:PM Series), and not every step needs a category for every subject of every game (some are just too minor for so much effort, among other reasons explained in the actual policy), and sometimes trees have entirely separate trees branching out of them (again, this is explained in the draft). But it's all very logic-based, and while the webs and trees might seem complicated at times, it's still an improvement over what we have now. Proposer: Walkazo (talk), with input from Knife (talk), Phoenix (talk), Marioguy1 (talk), Cobold (talk), and the other admins. Support
OpposeComments@Walkazo: Ohey, I have an idea. Why don't you make a PipeProject after this wonderous piece of policy goes through? It would greatly reduce the time it takes to get all pages correctly organised. RandomYoshi (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
Minigame or Mini-gameuse "minigame" 15-1-2 Proposer: Walkazo (talk) Use "Minigames"
Use "Mini-games"Do nothing (use both)
CommentsAllow me to demonstrate. I have the Mini-Game Whistle in the wiki so, if the proposal passes, it will take away the hyphen. That is what I thought for when it passes. Do you agree? Reddragon19k 20:48, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
Create Template:Anchorcreate template 15-1 Proposer: Bop1996 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsThe only problem I see in this is 2 things - a) even though you say it will be easy, how will we incorporate it? and b) what will qualify something to be from [[Page#Subtitle]] to [[Page#anchor]], as that needs to be stated clearer on what can and cannot be anchored. Also, a more personal question, what you have something that is shown twice in the page (i.e. - [[Badge#Spike Shield]] as there is one for the PM game and PM: TTYD game)? Baby Mario Bloops (talk)
@Mario & Luigi: Reread the proposal. What this does is makes a practically invisible section link we can use anywhere in an article. This is useful for long tables such as those on Badge, as all those Badge pages redirect to the closest header in the article, but not the badge's entry itself. You can't link to Badge#Fire Shield properly currently, as it's in a table, but you can if you use this template. Bop1996 (talk) For the tables you can use id variable to the row or the cell, there's no point for this template to be made, as adding "id=[txt]" is much shorter than the template. Example here. SWFlash (talk)
Bop1996, I know more than you think. One thing I know is that your "improvement" will cause technical glitches, navigation errors, and computer crashes. Can you just stop this silly proposal? Wildgoose (talk)
All three wikis run on the same mediawiki engine. Unless there's some specific hosting or extension here that isn't present on Metroid Wiki or Bulbapedia that would mess up the wiki so badly as to cause it to cease to function, this will work exactly the same way. I'm pretty sure that if there's an issue with the wiki structure itself that would stop this from working, an admin, bureaucrat, or Steve himself would say something about this. Bop1996 (talk)
Glowsquid, I would like to go over a few points. 1.Administrators do not look at proposals until voting ends. Look it up. 2. All the stuff I was commonting about is true. 3. Mariowiki's data storage system is different from Bulbapedia's, as Bulbapedia's is different from Metriod Wiki's. They originated in different places, at different times, and by different people. Thus, their data storage systems are different. 4. I am saving, err... trying to save Mariowiki from the template. That is why I am commenting here. Wildgoose (talk)
Animation errors and cartoon episodes pagescreate animation and continuity error sections 21-0 Proposer: Glowsquid (talk) Have a "Animation and Continuity error" section and move the relevant info there
Leave it in TriviaComments@Wildgoose: Your comment seems a tad offensive for how other users explain their proposals in this wiki. Please be more prudent next time. Coincollector (talk) Remove customizable infoboxessupport 12-0 Proposer: Coincollector (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsThe template that's used for the Super Smash Bros. characters uses a color code that determines which installment the character first appears in; green for N64; blue for Melee; red for Brawl. The colors aren't too bright, so they shouldn't be a major issue to readers. M&SG (talk) @Coincollector: You can add your own support. Wildgoose (talk)
I would love to vote on this, but I read through the proposal and I don't really understand it all. I understand that we are using different info box styles for different things such as items and characters, but I don't understand what is wrong with them. Can someone explain that? Tails777 (talk)
Allowance of a legitimate alternate account to contributecanceled by proposer
Wikipedia and other sites allows such, and my alternate account there is B.wilson-alt. Is there appropriate consensus to agree with the decision? Proposer: B.wilson (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsMario & Luigi: That is NOT sockpuppeting. This proposal is use of a LEGITIMATE account for use at PUBLIC places where trojans are installed, maybe. If you don't UNDERSTAND my proposal then DON'T VOTE at all. Thank you. --B.wilson (talk) @B.wilson: It IS sockpuppeting. Mario & Luigi (talk)
Please, Mario & Luigi, stop with the nonsense. The way you're writing your comments and replies imply you're attempting to be disrepectful with the other user. Consider to valorate other user's comments and find their advantages and disavantages in a more constructive way. Coincollector (talk)
Nintendo64Fan: in what way, is it a bad idea ... ??? Thanks. --B.wilson (talk) Aside from what I think of the proposal, I'm not certain if a community proposal was the right move. If anything like this were to happen, the admins would likely have to approve it first, so I don't think it's up to the community really. Bop1996 (talk)
@Walkazo:What about when one forgets a password (like Stooben Rooben)? Is he a sockpuppet? Magikrazy51 (talk)
Starting Planet Stopkeep using "starting planet" 1-16 Proposer: Wildgoose (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsBop1996, why do we always have opposite opinions? Wildgoose (talk)
@RandomYoshi
@SWFlash: Not really, I can see the names clearly with "Ctrl +". We would have a problem with figuring out which galaxy each planet filename belongs to, however. -ThirdMarioBro (talk)
@SWFlash:If I wanted to, I could look through every single one of those. It wouldn't take that much time anyway(I'm serious). However, there is a hunch to this... My computer doesn't run Dolphin, which means that I really have no way of opening the files... Though if I could solve that problem, expect to see some changes... Though I have found a wiki about unused items/text/characters etc. which has an article about Super Mario Galaxy. With that we at least have a start. This page also, coincedentally, gets rid of one planet being named "starting planet". RandomYoshi (talk)
How about the "Planet A", "Planet B", "Planet C", etc. as those names are official? Mario & Luigi (talk)
Countdowns for upcoming gamesno countdowns 1-10 Proposer: Donaldthescotishtwin (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsI think this could be a good idea, but put moreover on the front page or somewhere like that than on the actual articles. If we have space for it on the front page, maybe. So where are you proposing we put it? Marioguy1 (talk)
Well we could put it on the main page where the Proposals box was,but i think having it at the very top of the actual games article is better. Donaldthescotishtwin
I am rather skeptical with this idea. Additionally, this would have to be restricted to the main page only. M&SG (talk)
I'm not insisting on putting them on articles,put them on the main page if it would look better. Donaldthescotishtwin Also if anyone's confused I mean countdowns for games coming for the present year, example:SM3DL and MK7 isn't far away so countdowns for their releases for whichever country first and so fourth. Donaldthescotishtwin I actually think this is a great idea if it looks good and can be consistently maintained. Could end up creating more hype for the game and possibly raise traffic for the site. However since so many games are being released at the same time, we should probably only do a countdown for the most recent game coming out. We should also set a time minimum, like we cannot start a countdown unless there is less than two weeks for the game to come out. It also has to look good on the main page. If I were you, I'd rework this proposal into something a lot more specific and detailed, possibly including a sample main page to show us how it would look. This is assuming you are serious about the idea. If you don't get this one to work, you can always re-propose 28 days later.--Knife (talk) 13:11, 28 October 2011 (EDT) This is being done by Nintendo Wiki when I posted this comment for E3 2012. I think it could be good. But It may not work because the dates for the game depend on where you live. So I'm at a loss Jman2401 (talk) @Wildgoose: Actually, it just uses the server clock and a date, and that doesn't crash any wiki in any way AFAIK. Please don't start with the technical glitches again. Bop1996 (talk) @Knife: That still leads to inconsistency. For example, if two games were coming out with only a couple days between them, only the first game gets the full two weeks countdown, while the other one gets only those couple days. And, what if the second game was something highly anticipated while the first game was part of a more minor subseries: people would probably take issue with the fact that we're neglecting the major game. However, ignoring some games in favour of counting down to others leads too all sorts of potential pitfalls. Like, would we count down to a new game being released in Japan, or count down to the first English-language release of an existing game? And what if we have a NA vs. PAL situation? It just seems like way too much of a hassle for such a minor feature. - Walkazo (talk) @Wildgoose: Why do you always say things will create errors? See here: 13 days until Super Mario 3D Land in Europe. The italic number you see here is calculated when you entered this page. No errors you see? Lakituthequick (talk) A template for references and for articles with too many plain refscanceled by proposer The format is best: but in order to prevent errors in the format (which can be made by many), I created a template, drafted at User:B.wilson/ref. Using the draft template here, placing
produces:
And for articles with too many of these naughty plain references, I also drafted User:B.wilson/Plainrefs. I think this will make our references filled even more quickly. I doubt that anyone would oppose such a great idea. Proposer: B.wilson (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsWalkazo - You may say that plain tags have no problems, as I agree with that, but it just doesn't look professional. If there are filled, they will look better, because it will help others. I know I wasted a lot of time doing this yesterday because you are refusing the support the idea. Of course, the KIDS don't have to fill them in, if there are plain links added, then we can fill them in. It would make the wiki look a lot more professional. If you want the wiki to be the best database and reference source about our favorite plumber, why are you against making it more professional? B.wilson (talk) New Super Mario Bros. Wii Level Splitdon't split 1-12 Proposer: Wildgoose (talk) Support
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CommentsBop1996, you are trying to prevent my proposals from working! Also, my proposal is nothing like the one you showed me. The articles will be named like "Word 1-1 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)". Wildgoose (talk)
Come on, can't I have just one support comment? No one ever agrees with me. Wildgoose (talk)
What's wrong with disambiguation pages anyway? They have always been a part of the wiki, they always will be. This will add more information, the articles would be similar to articles about Donkey Kong Contry levels. Wildgoose (talk)
Blacklisting inappropriate titlesoppose 1-11 Suppose that someone creates an account called "GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR B.wilson's A RETARD!!!!" How is the thing prevented from happening the next time? If we insert the following Regex:
If they create an account again that contains B.wilson (even with alterations, such as B.Wilson or Bwilson) the text in errmsg will be displayed: This username has been identified as harmful, and has bene blacklisted from creation. Please choose a different username. This can also prevent inappropriate page moves, edits, and page creations. Do you think it's a great idea? This Regex should be stored on MediaWiki:Titleblacklist. I made this proposal due to the fact that the page is empty. Proposer: B.wilson (talk) SupportOppose
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The point of the matter is, B.wilson, this proposal will be work for us - every time the trolls find a new user to troll, we will have to add another title to the blacklist. Even then, a troll will either find a way around it or move on to another user. It is a waste of time hankering ourselves to find a way to stop the trolls when the damage they do is extremely minimal as is. As for your comments that only proposals by administrators pass, I think you are misreading the data. For example, if you looked at data for any country in the world of human activity, you'd find that when the sun goes down, people go inside. When the sun comes back up, people come back outside. So a proper analysis of that would be that the sun causes people to come inside and go back out. And that analysis would be wrong. If you look at the archives for the proposals, you'd find that when a respected user makes a proposal, it passes. When a newer user makes a proposal, it fails. There are several exceptions in each scenario. Your analysis is that only respected users' proposals pass, but that analysis is also wrong. Going on with the sun-example, people find it convenient to go inside when the lights and warmth are gone and then find it convenient to come back outside when they are back. The sun in no way forces them to do this. Similarly, proposals made by respected users are usually well-thought-out and well-proposed - with proper research done beforehand. Proposals done by newer users are usually not well-thought-out and they are formatted badly so that they don't draw people's attention. The fact that the user is "new" or "old" has nothing to do with whether they make good proposals or not. A final point I'd like to make would be that there is a reason administrators are allowed to vote on proposals - because they usually know what they are doing. If an administrator opposes a proposal, they will usually have a good reason to do it. In saying that your proposal is failing because everyone is following an administrator, you are disregarding the opinion of that administrator; and if everyone is following that administrator, their opinion is probably an intelligent one. The point is, the admins usually know what they're doing, they're not perfect, but we trust them enough to make proper decisions for the betterment of the wiki. Marioguy1 (talk)
Create articles for media with several referencesoppose 1-7 Proposer: Magikrazy51 (talk) Support
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CommentsSorry, but I cannot understand your proposal. B.wilson (talk)
So let me get this straight. You want there to be a page like "List of references in *insert other media here*" for certain media with large amounts of Mario references. My main beef with this is the fact that your qualifications for splitting them into a new page are very vague, so I'd rather see a kb limit or something before supporting. Bop1996 (talk) Other wikis I go to have separate pages for a certain TV show or anything else with enough references to qualify for a page. I think the same could be done here. Homestar Runner, for example, has more than enough references. Futurama, possibly. The Mad TV series seems to be getting there as it's only in its second season with many references (although it would be a bit of a stretch right now). I'm defiantly not saying to make pages for everything that referenced Mario, just the specific shows/bands/video game series/etc that have referenced Mario multiple times. Magikrazy51 (talk)
English vs. Japanese namesleave it as is 0-2-8 Countless pages has been under controversy dealing with their names. Just go to Lava Bubble, Shooting Star Summit, Pale Piranha/Piranha Plant (TTYD), Yo'ster Isle, and many others. When released in English (American and Europe), they use those names stated above. However, from Japanese names, they share the name as Podoboo, Star Hill, Piranha Plant/Pale Piranha (respectively), Yoshi's Island, and other similar things/places. There has been many arguments dealing with it, and it gets more and more annoying to watch. So, what I'm proposing is just have it set in stone, so that we don't have to be doing multiple TTP's that are really becoming really controversial. We either use English or Japanese in these cases. Currently, we have been moreover to Japanese since that is where the games usually come out at first. It does make since as that is where Nintendo is. Also, sometimes Nintendo of America/Europe make translation errors when it comes to those situations. However, it might not be the best system. With English names, it makes more since, since this entire site is ENGLISH! Not only that, but we do find English names to make more since at times. Manyt places/enemies do not appear as they do as they are being merged with. Right now, our consistency about this is pretty split even. We have many articles being merged, yet, we have pages that have the same name in different games, but are split. How we are apporaching Japanese style, then we might as well merge Special Attack (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story) and Special Attack (Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games). They are completely different in multiple ways, but the same name, much like many of the articles merged listed in the beginning. My point is, agruing about it in TTP's is not going to help. We simply need to just decide what we are going to choose to decide names about articles that have different English names but same Japanese names. And yes, there are some exceptions to this, but not many. Proposer: Baby Mario Bloops (talk) Use Japanese namesUse English names
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Comments@Tails777: While we're splitting the Pale Piranha (or trying to anyway) on the basis of its English name, the logic is coming mostly from behavior; it behaves like it's a different species, and while the Japanese names may be the same, our equally valid English source has confirmed them to be different species, so that's where the split is coming from. Bop1996 (talk)
Bringing the "Spoiler" template backcanceled by proposer Proposer: Donaldthescotishtwin (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsCreate articles for Mario Kart Battle Modes and Mario Party Minigame modesoppose 3-10 Proposer: New Super Yoshi (talk) Support
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Comments@Toad85 Thanks for suporting but you need to have a valid reason for voting. New Super Yoshi (talk)
Music filescanceled by proposer Proposer: Tails777 (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsThis does sound like it would work a little, but wouldn't it also make it harder to search for a collection of music from a certain game? For example, if you want to find music from Mario Kart Wii, you would probably look for it on the Mario Kart Wii article. However, if this proposal were to pass, you wouldn't find a lot of music because most of it would be scattered throughout other articles. Basically, it could potentially make it harder to find the music you want. I think a good idea would be to have all of the music in the game's article, and then have links in other articles that would lead you to the section in the game's article with the music file in it. So, let's say you want to listen to music from Luigi's Circuit in Mario Kart Wii, and you went on the Luigi's Circuit article to find it. Instead of having all the music files in that article, there would instead be a link to here, where you can find other MKW music too. I'll try to explain more if it doesn't make sense. Fawfulfury65 (talk) @Fawfulfury65 The reason we shouldn't put the music on the game's article is that some articles will have too much music. For example the Paper Mario series. That would be one for each boss and location and character theme when it's easier to put the music on the character's or location's page. If we put all the music on one page, that would make it looked cramped. I understand for the Mario Kart series and your idea there might be better than mine, but I am focusing more on the games with more music than the Mario Kart series such as the Paper Mario series and both Super Mario Galaxies. Tails777 (talk)
MarioWiki:Upcoming contentsupport 17-0 Proposer: Knife (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsIt's just my opinion, but I think it's not by their complex nature but rather by their unique nature. Regarding to the new subjects (articles that talk about new element of the game like enemies, courses, etc. especially those that are introduced in a game) Is it possible to use the infoboxes and make mention of their appearance? I see a problem with this. Usually we don't include the appearance of something of a an upcoming game in the infobox until it is officially released. However, some articles (for example, the racecourses of Mario Kart 7) include their appearance despite the fact that the game has not been released yet which may be incosistent to the guidelines. coincollector (talk)
Yes, but that doesn't explain the necessity to include an infobox with such information in a upcoming subject, that's what bothers me. Include information to the infoboxes respecting the sources or get the rules of not include information to them until the game is released? Coincollector (talk)
If that were the case, I think it should be needed to make notice of that, because some people may get that the appearance of a new subject should be applied likewise for another previously released and will make an upcoming appearance as well. Coincollector (talk)
@ Walkazo: That sounds fine to me. Coincollector (talk) @Stuff regarding infobox usage: I'm not going to include that into this Writing Guideline since that is a rule that deals with the template specifically. Such rules of usage should be mentioned on the template page itself. The only reason why I mention how to use the Newsubject templates is because those template are specifically for this purpose. Okay, made some changes. Supporters, please review them. I basically just differentiated vaporware and cancelled games (based on Glowsquid's proposal) and added a section for revision help.--Knife (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2011 (EST)
Sorry for the late response. If you all really feel it's necessary to mention it here, that's fine. However, I'm not 100% sure what you want me to put in. It would probably be best for someone who is more familiar with the userbox usage to write that section of the guideline. You can either add a section for it on draft or post raw coding into this comments section (for non-sysops). If no one comes up with a draft by then, we can put in later assuming no one opposes adding this information.--Knife (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2011 (EST) Music Filessupport 8-2 Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Support
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CommentsFor the record, the previous proposal about Music Files can be found here. - Walkazo (talk) @ Tails777: Can you specify the title of your proposal? It's about the Sound files, but what's exactly the matter about them? Coincollector (talk) @Coincollector Nothing is wrong about them, I just find it would be better to put the music on a sub page rather than the game's page. Like what others have said, like gallery pages. Tails777 (talk) I would only support this if we use YouTube Videos not Music Files because more people like me can listen to the music.--New Super Yoshi (talk) 11:37, 7 December 2011 (EST)
I don't see a good reason. Anyway music and video flies are taken from YouTube so what is the point. -New Super Yoshi (talk)
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