Talk:Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic

Playable characters

Should we make articles for Imajin, Mama, Papa, and Lina? Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions·) Paper Jorge was here at... 18:55, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

There's not much information on them, and they're not exactly Mario charecters.
- Yoshi Master

Any information about them should be included in this article. As Yoshi Mastar said, they are not Marioverse characters. However, since Doki Doki Panic was the template used for Super Mario Bros. 2, the game has a place at this wiki. -- Son of Suns

Didn't they appear in Super Mario All-Stars? Paper Jorge

No. -- Son of Suns

Ok. I think I remember seeig them but oh well. Paper Jorge

Shouldn't we just delete this game?? It has nothing to do with the Marioverse. The SMB2 article mentioned enough info about this game. Glitchman (talk · contribs)

You'd want to merge it rather than just delete all of it. Despite the fact that the game doesn't have anything to do with the fictional side of the... "Marioverse" <-- really a subjective term if you ask me... Anyway, the game plays a big role in the actual history of the Mario series. So, keep this information on the Wiki, but I'm not saying it should have it's own article. The section on the SMB2 article pales in comparison to this. Stumpers! 23:24, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Erm, maybe that's a good idea. Glitchman (talk · contribs)

Is this article even needed?

What does it have to do with Mario? It's not a "Japanese Version" of Super Mario Bros. 2. It's more like the original basis of what later became known as "Super Mario USA" in Japan. So yes, there was an SMB2 in Japan, entilted "USA". It looks like most of the Mario info is already in the Super Mario Bros. 2 article, so do we need this one? Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Yes, the content is needed. Whether the article is needed is more of a gray area. I could see this page being merged with Super Mario Bros. 2 in a history section. Like you said, SMB2 has MOST of the information seen here, but not all of it, so we'd want to rectify that should we decide to merge. Stumpers! 11:41, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Is this correct?

In the article says "Imajin's strength was transferred to Mario in Super Mario 64" this is not correct or it is? LUIGI 128I nver hear this before.See the Crazy Interviews!!!

Story translation needed

This game was made at a time where storylines of many games were not included in the games themselves — they can only be found in the instruction manuals instead. I found a scan of Doki Doki Panic's story. Naturally, I'd love to know the names of the three characters that show up in the beginning and ending of the game, or how different the exposition is in DDP. — NES Boy 16:16, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

I don't know what exactly the story is, but I can tell you the names of the characters. I checked Japanese Wikipedia which gives the names and compared the respective Japanese characters with the text in the photo, and the names are seen in the manual. The twin children are called Piki (ピキ) and Poki (ポキ), while the monkey's name is Rūsa (ルーサ). --Grandy02 08:50, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

I found a complete transcript of the game's manual here. Putting it into a translator (e.g. Google or excite) should at least make the basic aspects of the story understandable. --Grandy02 17:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

LOL

Maybe Mama-Luigi was the way they figured out a name for an episode.

M64Fan

Added to that page's trivia. SKmaric (talk)

And I removed it. It's a random coincidence, nothing more. - Walkazo 12:06, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Merge

Shouldn't this be merged with SMB2? They're the same games, just different names and people! Fawfulfury65

Oh!

It's onomatopoeia. dok dok = throb throb (or thump thump). Lysdexia 18:39, 13 December 2009 (EST)

Doki Doki

I've seen Doki Doki usually translated as "The Beating Heart", or something along those lines. Should the translation be changed to something closer to "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic"? --Turkishcoffee 08:54, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Even if that's what they intended, it's an unofficial translation, so we're not accepting it. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Oh, okay. I wasn't really aware that there even was an official translated name for this game. I've only ever heard it by it's Japanese title. --Turkishcoffee 09:05, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Actually, I've never read an official translation for the title. When titles of Japan-only games get official mentions by Nintendo in English, they are mostly untranslated. --Grandy02 10:55, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

That's what I thought, too. In fact, the "Dream Factory" part is often omitted. In some cases a translation is provided, but this is normally by the publisher or editor for the convenience of the reader, which could also hardly count as "official". I think we might need this to get more attention, then. If no official source of a translated title can be provided, should we use a different translation (with something closer to a logical meaning)? --Turkishcoffee 11:43, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Change Translated Title so it's More Meaningful

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no quorum 1-0

"Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic" is currently given the English translated title of "Dream Factory: Throb-Throb Panic". While this is strictly correct, "Doki Doki" is normaly translated into a phrase related to a beating heart.

A claim was made that "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic!" is not an official title. Which is true, however the game was not released in any English speaking country, and to my knowledge no "official" source has given any English name. Also, if this were an official English name, the name of the article, by convention should have been changed. Translations are often included, however they are more often then not added by the editor or publisher for the reader's clarity. Unless it was found in Nintendo Power, this would not be official.

The title I have come up with is "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic!", which I feel is more meaningful, and is likely closer to the meaning of the Japanese title.

Proposer: Turkishcoffee (talk)

Deadline: April 17 2010 23:59

Change Translated Title to "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic!"

1. Turkishcoffee (talk) Per Proposal.

Comments

@KS3 (talk) How do we know it's official?

Can't we just make a compromise by leaving the title as it is and explaining that "Throb-Throb" is Japanese onomatopoeia for a beating heart? - Edofenrir (talk)

That's sensible, but I still think the official title's source should at least be explained. If it was cited, or if I could find it, I wouldn't have bothered with this proposal. It's just so unusual for a game to have an official English name, and the fact that it was so unusually translated bothers me. Why would an official source translate something that way? It just doesn't make sense to me. Turkishcoffee (talk)

Could this be a misunderstanding here? The opposers seem to think that the proposer wants to change the article's title, but if I'm not mistaken, Turkishcoffee just wants to change the translation in the articles's lead from "Throb-Throb Panic" to "Heart-Pounding Panic." --Grandy02 (talk)

It appears to be the case... - Edofenrir (talk)

That's exactly what I want to do. "Throb-Throb" is the worst way to translate doki doki, and I'm 90% sure it's reserved for heartbeats (not just a sound of pumping), anyway. --Turkishcoffee 02:33, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

I am not' suggesting we move the article. --Turkishcoffee 02:34, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

But actually, the current title is incorrect anyway. It should be "kōjō" (factory) not "kojo", which is meaningless. - 2257^(Talk) 02:09, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

I am Zero! Wait, I don't get this proposal, is it to change the article name to Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic! or to change the part that say (translated: "Dream Factory: Throb-Throb Panic") to (translated: "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic"). Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)

It's to change (translated: "Dream Factory: Throb-Throb Panic") to (translated: "Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic"), when I first mentioned this (as well as in the proposal), people (apparently?) thought I meant the Article's title, not the game's title. So I was all "Wait, how can you have an official English title for a game that never came out in an English speaking area?", and then people tried to prove the Japanese title to me... which was never under debate... Honestly the only reason I proposed it was because I was under the impression we were using an unsourced and uncited bad translation, which apparently we aren't, I just wasn't clear when I wrote my comment (above the proposal) or the proposal. Really I don't think a proposal is even needed to change this now. Turkishcoffee (talk)

What about a compromise? Simply write "translated: 'Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic' or 'Dream Factory: Throb-Throb Panic'", so both of the possible translations are mentioned. --Grandy02 11:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I made a different compromise by explaining it's an onomatopoeia, but rather than translating the noise it represents, the title is translated to reflect the overall idea of the pounding heart. I didn't use so many words in the article (it's clunky as-is), but hopefully people will still get the gist of what I mean. I also wanted to put a link to somewhere explaining the use of onomatopoeia in Japanese titles, but I couldn't find anything (granted, I didn't spend too much time looking). Hopefully no one minds that I didn't propose it here first: I was worried the discussion would go no where again. Please note that I did something similar for Excitebike: Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium: I'm pretty sure "bun bun" represents the buzzing of the dirk bikes, so if we want to call this "Dream Factory: Throb-Throb Panic" again, to be consistent, we'd have to call that game "Excitebike: Buzz Buzz Mario Battle Stadium"... - Walkazo 19:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Intended to be a Mario game all along, or...?

So one of the theories out there is that this was meant to be a Mario game all along, but the new gameplay was tested with licensed characters first before it became a Mario game. At first, I have to call BS on this one, but then I realized there were already similarities to begin with... The Starman and POW Block, namely, which are blatant cameos. Then you can't overlook the fact that Shigeru Miyamoto was involved in the original game.

However, outside of these observations, there was no proof I can really find out there that suggested this was true. Looking at the game credits, I noticed something else, however - Shigeru Miyamoto did not direct this game. Popular belief states he "created" the game, but he was listed as a producer, with Hiroshi Yamauchi listed under executive producer. Important people, sure, but the key person listed as director was a fellow known only as "Chappy" (obviously an alias). So we know the game was his vision, not Miyamoto's. So who is this "Chappy?" A newbie at the time? Ashamed of putting his name in this work? Or someone from Fuji TV? Who knows.

Even if Miyamoto did not direct the game, he was a clear influence nonetheless. So which is it? Did they intend to make a Mario game from the start, but they had an agreement with Fuji TV? Or maybe they liked the game so much they their copyright contract was expired, so they renewed the game as a Mario title? Who IS Chappy, and what's his/her say on the matter?

Another wrench into the "it was planned to be a Mario game from the start" theory is the game's name in Japan - Super Mario USA. Really? They couldn't think of a better name? At least they're honest to their own people - the back of the box (seen in a scan on GameFAQs) mentions Super Mario Bros. 2, so I'm pretty sure the fans in Japan knew it was "our" SMB2. There's also the fact that a look at the game's code indicates that there are some leftover graphics from DDP rather than the sprites being completely overwritten. Still, when it came time for an alternate Mario 2, you have to wonder what it was that made Nintendo go, "Let's go with Doki Doki Panic" in the first place. Last I checked, there hasn't been an official quote for the record (if there is one then it's relatively obscure). LinkTheLefty 20:52, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

First of all, this might be better for the forums, but that aside.

(1) I think the POW blocks were in this game before other Mario games. Don't quote me on that, though. (2) Miyamoto is involved with most games by Nintendo, at least somewhat. Back then I imagine he would be more involved in fewer projects, but this is just a guess. (3) Miyamoto is listed only as director or producer in a lot of games. He's more often listed as the producer now. I believe the logic was that he didn't spend a lot of time actually working on the project itself, but was still involved. (4) A lot of games are other peoples' "visions" which Miyamoto is somehow involved in. Not every single game concept comes just from one person. (5) Developers often list nicknames in credits. Sometimes this is an entirely made up person, or the actual person want to distance him or her self from the project. (6) Well, it was a Super Mario game made just for the U.S.A. The title is descriptive, at least. GameFAQs isn't the most reliable source, and which game are you talking about the back of? Doki Doki Panic? Wasn't Doki Doki Panic released first? Why would the box be changed later to include that? That doesn't make sense. (7) When the graphics were improved to include more frames, I imagine it was easier to simply partition new space for graphics, as opposed to trying to recycle all the old space. It's possible some were overwritten due to being "good enough" or changed earlier in devlopment (and the old graphic wasn't needed as a stand-in for as long). (8) Marketing. Mario was an established series here, and Americans have always been prety big on "brands". Doki Doki Panic would have been odd and confusing and put people off. Slapping Mario characters on it made it more commercially viable. --Turkishcoffee 04:12, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

Hah, I think a scan is as reliable as it gets -

On a side note: I don't read Japanese, but I took the liberty of looking for the lettering on the Doki Doki Panic box and looking for it on its description. Guess what? Fifth line down in the blue box (two spaces above mention of Super Mario Bros. 2) is Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic. They knew! Also, I guess the animation frames thing makes sense, but neither the heart container nor mushroom are animated... The potion is, though. You'd think they'd change more of the graphics to make it more Mario-like at the time, but I guess they remedied that with the ending. I can see why marketing would definitely be a factor since the did the same thing happened to Kirby's Avalanche, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and Decap Attack (among others like Tetris Attack). And another note is that Phanto's artwork is based on his Doki Doki Panic appearance, but it was completely changed for the new SMB2 and no one made alternate artwork. By the way, POW Blocks originated in Mario Bros. for the Arcade. LinkTheLefty 17:36, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

Well, the graphics space ended up being entirely re-done as the game was re-released on a different type of cart, left over things were just copied (as far as I am aware, all space on a cart is occupied, even if it's filled with junk data). As for ones left in the game, I guess they coped-out with "it's a dream world, making sense is optional". As far as saying on the box it's a remake/rehashing of it (I think I spy a release date in there for YK (it really is called "Yume Kojo", afterall). I think I can also pick out the US release of the Mario version. I guess it was better to say it then try to hide it. People would have noticed anyway. The game wasn't released here, so not nearly as may people would notice (in fact, I'm not sure anyone noticed until the internet happened). Some of the graphics are just puzzling, though. I have no idea why the lamp was replaced with a potion, or why that even was meant to make sense. In fact, the lamp was stretching it. I think it would have made just as much sense as pulling the door out of the ground itself, but I gather it would be too tall and look funny. Also, how many times has Panel de Pon / Tetris Attack been re-done? I can count five off the top of my head. I'm not sure if you could make the argument that Panel de Pon was meant to be a Pokémon puzzle game spin-off, ever. --Turkishcoffee 19:20, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

Merge Imajin, Mama, Lina, Papa, and Poki and Piki with this article

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merge 6-3

The articles for the playable characters are pretty short and don't really say much that can't already be said on the Doki Doki Panic article. It makes even less sense that Poki and Piki have an article as well, they're just NPCs. Are these standalone articles REALLY needed on a Mario Wiki?

Proposer: SuperYoshiBros (talk)
Deadline: January 7, 2015, 23:59 (UTC).

Support

1. SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per proposal.
2. Walkazo (talk) - Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic is not a Mario game: it's lasting influences on the series is purely by way of SMB2, which is what the full coverage is rightly given to. But this shouldn't get full coverage: the partial coverage in the form of a game page only was enough, and frankly these pages should not have ever been made in the first place. They were created by a new user without prior discussion or approval, much less a TPP or Proposal, which is sorta required for changing coverage of any grey-area non-Mario game (see the last line of MW:Coverage's "guest appearance" section, which is the same level of partial coverage that Doki Doki Panic started out with and should still have). And, if there had been a discussion, it's a safe bet that there wouldn't've been approval: the only reason the pages are still here is due to negligence or apathy on our parts, but now that someone's finally taken the initiative to speak up, we should fix this oversight.
3. Ghost Jam (talk) - Per Walkazo.
4. Tails777 (talk) Per Walkazo
5. Madz the Penguin (talk) Let's compare the new user and Mario Wiki members to an intern and experienced doctors, respectively. Without much experience, an intern is prone to make mistakes in the hospital, and if she doesn't ask experienced doctors first, she could get in big trouble. One day, he/she decided to let a family of people who couldn't pay to get into the clinic. He/She saw that they were indeed sick, so s/he decided that they could get into the clinic for free. However, it was illegal for them not to pay, so when one of the most experienced docs figured out about the non-paying patients, he knew he had to get rid of them. Other doctors, on the other hand, thought it was a nice thing to do, so they wanted to keep the patients in. They argued and argued, forgetting the law that if the patients couldn't pay, they couldn't get in. This is like that, so I'm going to say, "if they can't pay (if they haven't met Mario characters), they can't get in (they can't get an article).
6. Mario (talk) I'm more split on this one. One one hand, playing a bit if Devil's Advocate, they are kind of like prototype characters for the Mario version, and they deserve their own articles, especially since they're treated as separate characters, complete with artwork. But on the other hand, I think they go better on their own game since they're not really classified as Mario characters, nor are they guests, nor do they make additional appearances throughout the Mario series, unlike Shy Guys, Pidgit, Bob-omb, and that pink reptilian abomination. Some game-exclusive characters, such as Albatosses and Pansers, though, still deserve their own articles because they have appeared in the Mario version and in the remakes, unlike these hapless fools. So, support.

Oppose

1. Toadbrigade5 (talk) Eh, they are characters and Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic is kind of considered a mario game, and these characters draw info and basis for the Mario series, something that I believe should be kept.
2. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per Toadbrigade5 - I agree, Doki Doki Panic is already essentially part of the series retroactively, especially considering the direct influences (Starman, POW Block, etc.) that were already there.
3. Pseudo-dino (talk) Per Toadbrigade5 and LinkTheLefty.

Comments

If the articles remain, perhaps they can be applied to the SMB2 template so they appear less stranded (obviously with the added note that these elements are exclusive to it). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2014 (EST)

Merge into Super Mario Bros. 2

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canceled by proposer
...We have this article?! Why? I understand that this information needs to be covered, but this isn't a Mario game. We only have this article because it was the game that Super Mario Bros. 2 was ported to the Americas from. That being said, why not merge into the Super Mario Bros. 2 article? After all, this is about a non-Mario game...on a Mario wiki. I'm not saying to delete the article; I'm just saying it should be merged into Super Mario Bros. 2. We did it with Panel de Pon and Tetris Attack; why not merge these as well?

Proposer: YoshiFlutterJump (talk)
Deadline: December 26, 2017, 23:59 (UTC)
Date Withdrawn: December 12, 2017, 20:57 UTC

Support

1. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per my proposal. I'm surprised that I'm the first one to propose this.

Oppose

1. Alex95 (talk) - Main reason why they are separate is because of the level of influence. Several Mario subjects (Bob-ombs, POW Blocks, the characters' traits, etc.) come from this game. Panel de Pon was a short article and didn't have much influence, easily merged to Tetris Attack, but Doki Doki Panic has significantly more information I do not believe would work well with a merge.
2. LinkTheLefty (talk) We just had a proposal that determined the place of Doki Doki Panic on the wiki, and resulted in coverage recognition. I opposed the Panel de Pon merge then, and I oppose this one now.
3. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per all.
4. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, also this article does not cover the game in full, only the Mario-related elements, and mainly covers changes and influence on the series, while the information only pertaining to Doki Doki Panic is kept to a minimum. Very little information is the same as the Super Mario Bros. 2 article, so it makes sense to keep this separate.

Comments

Oh, I didn't see that proposal. Well, I'm cancelling now.... -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:56, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Title

Given that this translated Iwata Asks interview officially refers to it as "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic", should we remove the macrons (and possibly remove the another language template)? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:55, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

Mh, I'm not feeling it. I think the "we don't have these on our keyboard so we're not gonna search for them" isn't valid to consider a "translation" after what Dark Horse did. Besides, it's still Japanese. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:06, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm with Doc here. The exact same name but formatted slightly differently doesn't make it any more English, and I don't see the need for a page move. Same deal with Super Mario-Kun, removing the hyphen and typing it in CAPITAL LETTERS doesn't make it an English title, nor is it "more official" just because that's how it was written in Mario Maker. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:33, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

Disagree, it comes from an English source, and from an official site. I'd support the move. -- FanOfYoshi at 16:31, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

I sincerely doubt it was intended as a "translation." It's far more likely they just didn't want to bother finding the version of o with the horizontal line macron since it's not readily available on an English keyboard. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:05, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

It should be noted that the British version of the interview does use the title "Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic" with macrons. Jdtendo^(T|C) 17:43, August 7, 2026 (UTC)

Official translation of Yume Kōjō

I'm surprised nobody brought this up, but Dream Machine is the official English translation of the event's name—evidenced by the fact there's a thing known as a "dream machine" in both this game and SMB 2. The game was named after the event, and somehow I doubt that they'd take the opportunity to change the title seeing as it's an advergame. --47.156.40.204

Keep in mind that Mamu's castle is supposed to be the actual Yume Kōjō, so it's possible that a game developer saw some of the event's promotional materials and noticed that kōjō shouldn't really translate to machine, which may be why there is both a "Dream Factory" and a Dream Machine. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:10, September 29, 2019 (EDT)

Official English name of the game

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Move to Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic (without the macrons) 9-5-0
From the Iwata Asks series, we can see that the official English name for this game is mentioned. This Google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Doki+Doki+Panic%22+site%3Anintendo.com) shows that the official English name is mentioned in multiple sources, some as "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic" (without the macrons) and some as "Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic" (using the macrons).

Looking at it further, there is a "US version" and a "UK version" of Iwata Asks. On the US version (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Doki+Doki+Panic%22+site%3Aiwataasks.nintendo.com), every single instance is mentioned without the macrons, but on the UK version (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Doki+Doki+Panic%22+site%3Anintendo.com%2Fen-gb%2F), sometimes it is mentioned without the macrons, and sometimes it is mentioned with the macrons. So both names are technically valid, but usually since we prioritize the US source, we should follow that one, which doesn't use the macrons.

However, one problem with moving the page is that we have to change every single mention of "Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic" on the wiki to not have the macrons, so this could be a burden. But perhaps there is an automated tool to do this, so I think I would still prefer the one without the macrons.

Proposer: GamermanX2354 (talk)
Deadline: August 22, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Option 1: Move page to remove the macrons (a.k.a. to "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic")

1. GamermanX2354 (talk) Per proposal.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) We do, in fact, have an automated tool for this exact purpose in the form of PorpleBot. If American English (what our wiki is based on) doesn't use the macrons, then we reckon it's fine to remove them for our purposes.
3. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
4. Yoshi18 (talk) Primary choice. Per all.
5. Hewer (talk) Official English name.
6. Keegster2 (talk) Per all.
7. Mario4Ever (talk) The article about how articles are named addresses what to do in this situation. A transcription of a Japanese name into English is not an English name, but if the majority of transcriptions do not use macrons, then it’s acceptable to reflect that in the article title.
8. Iand255 (talk) Primary choice. Per all.
9. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Primary choice. Per all.

Option 2: Keep the macrons, but say that it is from an official English name

1. Yoshi18 (talk) Secondary choice. I'm fine with either of the first two options. Also Per Brett.
2. Brett (talk) I feel like the macrons-less title is not an official localized title, but rather that the person who wrote the US text of the Iwata Asks articles didn't bother to add the macrons of the title, as western keyboards doesn't have dedicated keys for macrons, instead requiring specific keyboard shortcut. The title in the UK articles not being consistent with the use of macrons seems to further indicates that there isn't a proper localized English title, with the macrons only being used when whoever writes the article feels like adding them.
3. Jdtendo (talk) Per Brett.
4. Reese Rivers (talk) Per Brett, basically. To me this feels less like an official name and more just a transcription oddity. Since DDP is practically disowned by Nintendo as a game, and is thus less subject to their branding care, I wouldn't really consider these webpages to be the final say on the matter.
5. Iand255 (talk) Secondary choice. Per Yoshi18's reasoning.

Option 3: Say that it's officially only from a Japanese name (keep the current status)

#LadySophie17 (talk) Per my comment.

Comments

I am opposing this purely on the grounds of the author refusing to simply provide links to the sources they speak of, instead of Google searches. Google is not a source and it is up to you @GamermanX2354 to prove what you are saying is true, so as far as I'm concerned this proposal is completely baseless. You were already told to do this by another member of staff when you brought up the topic in the Discord server, so it is disappointing that you chose to double down instead of doing something that should take you less than a minute. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 12:11, August 9, 2026 (UTC)

The Google searches do seem to be filtered to only show official Nintendo websites such as https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/. Going to any of those links such as this one will bring you to an official Nintendo website that clearly spell out the name "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic" without the macrons. I am aware that it's a bit weird to have them show these Nintendo URLS via Google search results instead of just posting them here here, but I think they did it like this because it'd be more convenient; otherwise they had to give us an endless list of official Nintendo URLs that would be both tiresome for them to copy+paste, and too bothersome for us to read and visit. rend (talk) (edits) 15:47, August 9, 2026 (UTC)

I am aware that clicking the google links will bring me to the sources, but here’s the thing: If the proposer clicked those links, they would also be brought to the sources. Why should I be the one to go find the links the proposer wants me to see? My opposition will remain until the proposer shows some basic internet etiquette. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 16:08, August 9, 2026 (UTC)

If the proposer clicked those links, they would also be brought to the sources. Why should I be the one to go find the links the proposer wants me to see?

The thing is, they already DID find them; otherwise I don't think they would've bothered with the very specific website filters if they didn't even know if the Nintendo websites provided what they wanted to prove. If what you were saying were actually the case, they would've linked us to just the main Google.com website instead, or even the search results WITHOUT any filters.
I agree that it's shoddy to just post a couple of filtered search results instead of a handful of links from the actual websites they found their evidence at, but I also think it's a bit petty to basically pretend they didn't provide any source at all just because of that, and therefore oppose the whole thing. Just abstain from voting, and ask them to NOT be lazy and just post a couple links from the Nintendo websites themselves? rend (talk) (edits) 18:10, August 9, 2026 (UTC)

Replying to this in the chain below. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 01:30, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

I'm not understanding how the current proposal is a breach of "basic internet etiquette". The way it is now, you can see all the sources that the proposer is referring to with only a single click (you don't have to click all the search results since just reading the previews is enough to give you the relevant information), rather than the less convenient alternative of them providing a big list of links for you to click through individually. Interpreting this choice as just the proposer being lazy is stretching the "assume good faith" principle. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 00:28, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

Instead of a big list of links, when I click the single link I get taken to an automatically-generated big list of links for me to click through. I don’t understand why multiple people are ok with treating the fickle results of a google search as having any semblance of reliability when we live in the age of Google enshitification. Regardless, my point is that it costs the proposer nothing to just type the links they find relevant rather than just "here is the automatic search, have fun". They’ve done 95% of the work and everyone acts as if it would be such a hurdle for them to do the last action, it feels weird to me. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 01:30, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, as of us writing this reply (and linking it ourselves right now, just for the sake of future-proofing, especially since there's no telling when Google will replace this result with like, a link to some random gen AI nonsense), the first result of the very first search link does, indeed, lead to an Iwata Asks where they do not use the macrons. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 20:00, August 9, 2026 (UTC)

@Arend, @Hewer Alright, let me take some time aside to explain to the opposers of my vote why I think this is a terrible way provide proof for a proposal (as a reply to @Camwoodstock's comment). The first, second and third results in the first Google search provided to me are Portuguese translations for various interviews. A terrible start if you're trying to provide a source for the English name of a game. It takes until the fourth result of this automatically-generated-list-that-varies-per-individual to show me an English source for the name. The fifth result is, again, a Portuguese translation of an interview. Sure, that is all solved by adding the numerous filters to the generated list in the next URLs, but this makes the first link provided entirely useless to me. While the curated US links provided by the search engine are all valid, the curated UK links spat out a second link to the same interview, which appears misleading at a glance unless I am manually clicking through every single one to double check. From this experience, I would say the simplest way to provide a foolproof curated list of sources is to copy them rather than attempt to wrangle a fallible search engine to hopefully provide the right links.

As a side note, the automatic google searches also fail to account for other cases that might be relevant, such as Birdo's trophy in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, which foregoes the first half of the title entirely and only calls the game "Doki Doki Panic". As a direct in-game source, I thought it was worth mentioning that exists. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 02:08, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

@LadySophie17 If you really insist on the direct links themselves, here they are:

Number	American link	American source has macrons?	British link	Britih source has macrons?
1	https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/ds/dsi/7/3/	No	https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Nintendo-DSi/Volume-8-Flipnote-Studio-An-Animation-Class/4-My-First-Project-Draw-a-Rug/4-My-First-Project-Draw-a-Rug-1049383.html	No
2	https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/wii/super-mario-all-stars/0/3/	No	https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Super-Mario-All-Stars/Vol-1-Super-Mario-History-Soundtrack-CD/4-Music-Commentary-by-Koji-Kondo-1-/4-Music-Commentary-by-Koji-Kondo-1--219986.html	No
3	https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/wii/mario25th/2/0/	No	https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Iwata-Asks/Super-Mario-Bros-25th-Anniversary/Vol-3-The-Developers-1-/1-Joining-Nintendo-After-Super-Mario/1-Joining-Nintendo-After-Super-Mario-222028.html	No
4	https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/3ds/papermario/0/0/	No	https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Paper-Mario-Sticker-Star/Paper-Mario-Sticker-Star/1-Talking-At-Iwata/1-Talking-At-Iwata-690475.html	Yes
5	https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/3ds/papermario/0/4/	Not applicable, since the game name is not mentioned here.	https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Paper-Mario-Sticker-Star/Paper-Mario-Sticker-Star/5-Brainstorming-Paper-Ideas/5-Brainstorming-Paper-Ideas-690707.html	Yes

So from the American English sources, all of them (4 out of 4) mention them without the macrons, and from the British English sources, 3 out of 5 do not use the macrons, and 2 out of 5 do use the macrons. Since we usually prioritize the American English source, and that most sources (7 out of 9 if you count the total) do not use the macrons anyway, we might as well just drop it. GamermanX2354 (talk) 10:46, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. That is a well put together table and it does a much better job at explaining your main point. I hope you understood the issues I had with the previous method as I explained in my other comment. For now, I retracted my vote. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 14:10, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

Look, LadySophie, I don't care if you're angry that the proposer doesn't go the exact inch to link directly to a page rather than a Google search that clearly displays what's important about said page. That doesn't give you the right to needlessly swear about how Google is "ruining" everything or whatever.
People like you who needlessly use foul language (over a Nintendo game, I'd like to point out) are the exact reason I try to distance myself with the community of any wiki, and let it be known that my decision to participate in this proposal - but not what I am voting for; I had already decided what side I am before your uncalled-for outburst - is heavily influenced by how angry reading your comments in this proposal has made me. (Shame on me for thinking anyone on this wiki would bother to watch their mouth...) Keegster2 (talk) 10:56, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

People are allowed to swear on the wiki. Adults use and run this site. If that bothers you, then leave. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 13:49, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

What even was the swear word in question? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:00, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

"Enshittification"? The hell? That's not a swear word. It contains the word for poop, and it's an overused term online but there's better things to do to than wringing hands over something as silly as this. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:07, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

I mean, "shit" is a vulgar word, I believe that accounts for foul language. Still, it wasn't really used in an inflammatory or offensive way, it's moreso used to complain about Google. I've seen worse on Wikis where uncensored swear words aren't allowed. rend (talk) (edits) 15:12, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

Perhaps but, really, it's just fecal matter. Koreans and Japanese speakers don't even have a distinction between socially acceptable way to say poop and less socially acceptable way to say poop. I'm still quite stunned person took the time to write such a tirade over a word like this and include a rant in the edit summary. Don't flip out over something lkke this. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:17, August 10, 2026 (UTC)

@Keegster2 Look man, I agree that @LadySophie17 was overreacting a bit to the proposers method of sourcing, and she was arguably being a bit too harsh on them and petty about it (to be specific, I completely agree with @Arend and @Hewer's responses to her); but that does not give you an excuse or right to needlessly bash on her and have an angry rant over what amounts to meaningless things. It makes you no better than the people you're attempting to complain about by not handling it in a civilized manor.
When it comes to the swearing, I would like to link you to the policy around courtesy, specifically the discourteous behavior section, where it very clearly states that the occasional use of profanity is allowed, so long as it is not directed at another user, which means that her usage of the word "enshittification" is not only permitted, but also fair given the context of what she was saying. And I totally understand her frustrations around Google, bringing those frustrations up in a conversation involving the topic is more than warranted.
As well, if you look directly above the rules around swearing, there is very clearly a rule stating you are not allowed to make derogatory edit summaries, which, while I'm not necessarily saying it is since it is not my job to decide, your edit summary might qualify as.
I understand your underlying frustration here with Lady Sophie, but please, don't take it out on her or anyone else here. It just creates toxicity and deters people from interacting with talk pages. IanD255 (talk/contribs) 07:34, August 18, 2026 (UTC)

@Mario4Ever This one can be technically considered "not a transcription", since the name (in the Latin script) is officially used on a Nintendo English-language webpage. GamermanX2354 (talk) 13:03, August 11, 2026 (UTC)

Dream Koujou "Doki Doki Panic"

Birdo's trophy in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U has been mentioned before, and I'd earlier assumed that Yume Kōjō might have been removed from the title out of potential licensing concerns; however, as seen here, the Japanese equivalent does mention the full title. (By the time I noticed, I figured it would be too late to ask to add a third option to the proposal.) Any interest in a follow-up proposal to forgo the macron mishap and use that common subtitle instead? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:34, August 23, 2026 (UTC)