Talk:Mario Kart 8/Archive 2

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Special Powers

Should I do the Special Powers when collected 10 coins in Ver. 2.4 — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.197.120.211 (talk).

First, there is no Version 2.4, second, all you do is you go faster. Not really "special powers". Captain Toad (his mail box) Getting my own game soon! 13:29, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

More DLC? MORE DLC?!

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/wii-u-ddc/the-legend-of-zelda-x-mario-kart-8-aoc-pack-digital-download/10991121.html Apparently this confirms a F-Zero track, an Animal Crossing track, Wario's Gold Mine, 2 unknown tracks, Tanooki Mario, Cat Peach, Link, Villager and Dry Bowser, also 8 more vehicles. Is it legit? --Superstarxalien169 17:46, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

:I see it too! EMG  can it be? http://nintendonews.com/2014/08/mario-kart-8-dlc-zelda-f-zero-animal-crossing/ Yep it is. I think we can confirm it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toadbrigade5 (talk).

I just saw on facebook. Way unexpected. Nintendoplayerawesome (talk)

Shy Guy/Yoshi/Mii colors

Hey. I was looking at the Gallery section and noticed that there aren't all of the colors for the steering wheels for the different colors of Shy Guys, Yoshis, and Miis. Could someone put those on there please? It would help expand the website and the article!

ToadBoy1999

We will have to wait someone ever post those images on the web. I'm pretty sure they're takes from images or videos.

TSU NA MI

Rivals

FRIENDLY REMINDER: FOR WHAT RIVALS MEAN, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE IN THE GAME, THE ORDER THEY PLACE DO NOT MATTER, UNLIKE MARIO KART 7. FOR EXAMPLE, MARIO HAS BOWSER AND PEACH AS HIS RIVALS, THIS DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL BE SECOND OR THIRD IN ANY RACE, THIS JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE RACING. I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT UP FOR MANY OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION :). - Michaelmarill

I know this was touched on before and was left unresolved, but after some extensive play time i can confirm there isn't any rival order or rivals as a matter of fact as the information on the page doesn't match and none of the characters positions in a cup stay the same for 2 or more races. Also most of the time the rival listed doesn't appear, mainly meaning there aren't select characters that'll always appear. Unless someone can provide definite evidence rivals exist, could we get rid of the false information on the page. Cubeguy (talk)

Try checking in VS mode teams if there are set opponents

Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 16:48, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

I have seen races where a certain character's rivals aren't always consistent. For example, in one race, Rosalina had Baby Peach and Metal Mario as her rivals, while in another, Larry and Donkey Kong were her rivals. Shy Guy's rivals were also quite random, if I recall correctly. M&SG (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

In my opinion there aren't always the same rivals: if you play more Versus round with the same characters (like Lakitu), you can see how the rivals changes: sometimes Waluigi was the rival, sometimes it was Rosalina, sometimes Pink Gold Peach... we should remove that section, it's false! In Mario Kart 8 the CPUs works like in Mario Kart DS: at random. Tsunami (talk)

I still can't see any match ups, i went and played mario kart 7 to see if they have rivals and there actually seem to be rivals in mario kart 7, several specific characters were present in each race and mainly stayed up in the top 3 ranks, i then went back to mario kart 8 and as i said, i couldn't find any match ups. Cubeguy (talk)

I raced exclusively as Koopa through the Grand Prix mode, and in every cup (including Mirror Mode, so 32 cups total), the first two characters in the starting lineup of the opening race were Toad and Yoshi, in that order. They weren't locks to get 2nd and 3rd in the cups, but they rarely finished outside the top 5. That being said, whenever I play versus mode with Koopa, Toad and Yoshi aren't guaranteed opponents. I'm guessing that these "rivals" only apply to Grand Prix. Any thoughts or similar experiences to that? (Also, I'm suggesting that Toad is also a rival of Koopa, which isn't currently listed, if any moderators get their eyes on this post.) picent (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

I have noticed that Toad and Donkey Kong were prone to be Yoshi's rivals, but for characters like Rosalina and Shy Guy, their rivals actually change per GP. This may mean that only certain characters have set rivals, while others do not.

M&SG (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

I think Toad is a rival for Koopa Troopa, I've played Koopa 4 times in grand prix, and Toad and Yoshi were always maintaining 6th place or above. I don't think Toadette has Wario though... - Michaelmarill

Rosalina does not have Iggy as her rival... try watching this video and see if Iggy is a rival. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRPTCvEDSAc If there are rivals, then it seems like Toadette and Peach are the rivals.

Seems like rivals are shown in grand prix in the MKTV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7rKKotFj0 Baby Rosalina has Koopa Troopa and Toadette.

Wario is not one of Toadette's rivals, but Yoshi is.

OK, I play 150cc Mushroom and Shell Cup, 1st place with 60 points and 3 stars with Lakitu. I keep an eye on the rivals: Waluigi and Toadette (Mushroom), Pink Gold Peach and Rosalina (Shell). Only two of these four characters appears every cup. Baby Rosalina appears on both cups instead but was out from the top 3 (placed 5th I remember). But the spotlight character of today is Roy: in Mushroom Cup he was overally last with 7 points but in Shell Cup was overally 4th with 36 points. Seriously, what happens Roy? I think I'll play again tomorrowP.S. Someone just leaves 3 comments without a sign. Whoever you are, do you know how to sign in? Tsunami (talk)

SO after some more time i now can see rivals kinda but they still don't match up with the information on the page, they all seem to be completely random, now if im correct theres actually a guide book some stores sell for the gameif any one has it can they check to see if rivals are actually listed in there? - Cubeguy (talk)

In the Banana Cup Lakitu have Wario and Donkey Kong as rivals... OK, or it's random or Lakitu has dozens of rivals. World of Tsunami!

Right down all the characters you vs in Grand Prix, then again for every other Grand Prix, and see if there are any characters that appear in all of them. That way, we can settle this. Do about 4 Grand Prix at least. -

05:49, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

I do 3, today I'll do the fourth :) World of Tsunami!

In Flower and Star Cups the rival was Peach, Daisy, Baby Daisy and Koopa... How many rivals has Lakitu? O_O World of Tsunami!

Okay, played a lot today and here's how things are going, used them 4 times in GP

Koopa Troopa - Yoshi and Toad
Ludwig - Daisy and Waluigi
Lemmy - Rosalina and Bowser
Donkey Kong - Bowser and Wario
Toadette - Yoshi and Wario
Baby Rosalina - Baby Peach and Roy
Larry - Shy Guy and Iggy
Baby Luigi - Boswer
Wario - Mario and Daisy
Pink Gold Peach - Shy Guy and Baby Mario
Metal Mario - Toadette
Toad however, seems to have 3 rivals, I've tried this 10 times now. Waluigi, Daisy, and Koopa Troopa. o_o

- Michaelmarill

So, is it likely that all characters have three rivals...? There isn't a definite conclusion on these rivals yet, as seen by those earlier comments.

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:57, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

I've played as Baby Luigi most of the time. I haven't noticed a single patter with any characters at all.

Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 15:58, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, Baby Luigi has an inconsistency of rivals, so does Rosalina, but she has Pink Gold Peach. And yeah, Toad seems to have 3. - Michaelmarill

Seems we caused this, http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/700050-mario-kart-8/69356223, they have discussed/mentioned other things i have mentioned here, also i still can't find any consistency with the NPC's, they keep changing each cup. So i must ask where did our information for rivals originally come from. - Cubeguy (talk)

OK but Lakitu? Try playing all 8 cups with different motors (50cc, 100cc, 150cc...) and watch if there are set rivals, because I can't see them. And Toad has rival of Lakitu? I stop playing Tropical Freeze and do Time Trial (because I want to put it in my page after three days and I have only 11/32) for trying this. I'm starting thinking that Lakitu is a jolly. OR... the same rivals are in the same cup on the same engine size? P.S. Yay we make a discussion on GameFaq ^_^ World of Tsunami!

We do have one or more wiki members on GameFaq, so it's happened before. If there isn't a consistent order, delete it off the page and move it here, so we can work on it will not supplying false information. -

07:27, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

Quickplay of 150cc Star Cup - I play it TWO times (I stop at Dolphin Soals because the CPUs turn into devils). First time = Wendy, Koopa, Ludwig. Second time= Ludwig, Bowser, Peach. And Koopa was 10th. Because of this, I move it there so me can work on it. But I think that won't last for more than two weeks (in my opinion, no offense ~~stupid~~ table) World of Tsunami!

Opponents that appear in every cup
Player	Opponent(s)	Player	Opponent(s)	Player	Opponent(s)

Actually, I think you're missing the point. It's not "the hard racers that come second every time", it's what opponents appear on very cup, no matter how hard they are. - 08:37, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

I think if they don't end always as fourth in the CPUs a character isn't rival, so the table should be named "list of character that appears in every cup with a specific character" of whatsoever. At least this is my opinion. I'll start trying it with Lakitu. Now I'm not 100% sure of who appear everytime. World of Tsunami!

Ninelevendo is right, they just appear on the course, that's all. That applied to Mario with Peach and Bowser. Also, removing Baby Rosalina's "rivals" because she doesn't have Roy or Baby Peach appearing in each cup. Also, I tried out Waluigi 5 times, and Luigi and Toadette appear everytime, with Toadette always getting 3rd, and Luigi always 2nd.- User:Michaelmarill 08:55, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

OK, I start tracking rivals (?) according to Ninelevendo by doing this: doing the first course of acup, exit, doing the first of another cup and so for 4 cups. Keep track of all the player. I try with 4 characters and those are the results...

Lakitu
Appears 4/4 times:

Koopa Troopa

Appears 3/4 times:

Ludwig
Iggy
Roy
Mario

(I do know its rivals are more random than other characters)

Koopa Troopa
Appears 4/4 times:

Toad
Yoshi

Appears 3/4 times:

Rosalina
Waluigi

Toad
Appears 4/4 times:

Koopa Troopa
Waluigi

Appears 3/4 times:

Lakitu

Waluigi
Appears 4/4 times:

Luigi
Koopa Troopa
Toadette

Appears 3/4 times:

Rosalina
Wendy

As you can see, Koopa appears nearly every time. I don't know if it's more common because I start playing with it. If we can found the right rivals for 15~20 or more characters, we can keep this, but if we found different data for about 20 characters, we should delete the table... how about this? World of Tsunami!

That's good, that's how I played for some. Baby Rosalina ended up having none in all after playing her for the 5th time. -.- I guess I'll add Koopa to Lakitu? - Michaelmarill

I'm thinking to mark who appear 4 times with MAJOR or (M) or *, while the others have nothing. World of Tsunami!

I played Shy Guy, and here's how it turns out.

Morton 5/5 Koopa 4/5 Yoshi 4/5 Daisy 3/5 Ludwig 3/5

Baby Mario has Shy Guy and Rosalina.

I'm going to put in just Morton. - Michaelmarill

Used Baby Luigi again today. Bowser is in neither of the two races I did. He's not Baby Luigi's rival.

Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 16:12, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

Alright, I took him out, can you test Baby Peach and check her rivals? I'm going to try Wario again to see which of the 3 rivals to take out. - Michaelmarill

OK, today I'll try the babies in 5 races. Should I keep track of who appears 3/5 times? World of Tsunami!

I'll track the babies as well. I feel that having more than one person check the same character(s) will give us a clearer idea of rivals. Also, the title for this section is "There aren't rivals." Shouldn't this be changed to avoid misleading browsers of the discussion page? Finally, the rivals table was removed. Was this intentional? I cannot find any evidence that this was planned. Yoshimo (talk) 03:02, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

Title: changed at "Rivals". Table: removed personally after seeing that 2nd 3rd and 4th (with Lakitu 1st) change every time. And I think that "rivals" isn't the appropriate title for this, because Koopa Troopa (my starter that yesterday appears 16/16 time) sometimes ended 10th... rival? True rivals are Toad and Yoshi for Waluigi, that (with Waluigi first) ended always in the top 5. Tomorrow I'm going to verify females (Peach, Daisy, Rosalina, PGPeach and Toadette) World of Tsunami!

I start making the babies in my new method. I'm too tired to make Baby Daisy and Baby Rosalina now, I'll make them later. Rivals are only x4 and x5. Don't worry of x1 x2 and x3 as they are completely random (I think). And the results are:

x	Baby Mario	Baby Luigi	Baby Peach
Mario	x3	x1	x2
Luigi	x2	x1	x3
Peach	x3	x2	x2
Daisy	x1	x1	x2
Rosalina	x2	x2	x1
Metal Mario	x2	x1	x0
Yoshi	x2	x3 (maybe?)	x2
Toad	x1	x0	x1
Koopa Troopa	x0	x2	x2
Shy Guy	x3	x1	x5
Lakitu	x2	x3 (maybe?)	x0
Toadette	x0	x1	x1
Baby Mario	---	x3	x1
Baby Luigi	x2	---	x3 (maybe?)
Baby Peach	x2	x3	---
Baby Daisy	x0	x1	x3
Baby Rosalina	x1	x2	x3 (maybe?)
Pink Gold Peach	x5	x0	x2
Bowser	x1	x2	x1
Donkey Kong	x1	x2	x2
Wario	x2	x3 (maybe?)	x0
Waluigi	x3	x3	x1
Iggy	x1	x2	x1
Roy	x0	x1	x4 (in last - maybe?)
Lemmy	x3 (maybe?)	x1	x3 (maybe?)
Larry	x1	x3	x1
Wendy	x4	x0	x0
Ludwig	x1	x2	x2
Morton	x1	x1	x0

The sum of every column should be 60, let me know if there's something wrong (I don't check, making this table took me an hour) World of Tsunami!

SO i chose 6 characters at random being in order of choosing, Daisy, MArio, Waluigi, Lemmy, Shyguy and Pink Gold Peach, went and did every cup with them doing the cup 3 times before moving on and marked down the top 3 characters per-race, excluding self, i excluding characters who appear in general as they are selected at random and as they dont seem to act like rivals excluded them before i started righting this.

Daisy Mushroom Cup Round 1 Toad, Wario, Iggy---2 Iggy, Lakitu, Shyguy---Round 3 Morton, Luigi, Donkey Kong

Flower cup Round 1 Mario, Bowser, Roy---Round 2 Baby Daisy, Toad, Ludwig---Round 3 Bowser, Waluigi, Luigi

Star cup Round 1 Metal Mario, Shyguy, Baby Daisy---round 2 Ludwig, Peach, Pink Gold Peach---round 3 Roy, Baby Mario, Yoshi

Special Cup Round 1 Bowser, Luigi, Wario---Round 2 Baby Daisy, Rosalina, Wendy---Round 3, Donkey Kong, Toadette, Yoshi

Shell Cup Round 1 Mario, Shyguy, Baby Mario---Round 2 Rosalina, Yoshi, PGP---Round 3 Baby Daisy, Roy, Luigi

Banana Cup Round 1 Wendy, Iggy, Waluigi---Round 2 Metal Mario, Baby Luigi, Iggy---Round 3 Peach, Larry, Rosalina

Leaf Cup Round 1 Iggy, Baby Daisy, Toad---round 2 Shyguy, Wario, Morton--- round 3 Koopa, Bowser, Luigi

Lightning Cup Round 1 Roy, Lakitu, Yoshi---Round 2 Lakitu, Toadette, Lemmy---round 3 Baby Mario, PGP, Iggy

Mario Mushroom Cup Round 1 Luigi, Lakitu, Baby Luigi---2 Rosalina, Luigi, Wario---Round 3 Wendy, Baby rosalina, Bowser

Flower cup Round 1 Waluigi, Koopa, Toad---Round 2 Wario, Peach, Baby Daisy---Round 3 Rosalina, Iggy, Roy

Star cup Round 1 Larry, Waluigi, Rosalina---round 2 Shyguy, Daisy, Ludwig---round 3 Koopa, Luigi, Lakitu

Special Cup Round 1 Yoshi, Baby Mario, Waluigi---Round 2 Morton, Baby Peach, Metal Mario---Round 3, PGP, Morton, Bowser

Shell Cup Round 1 Toad, Baby Peach, Peach---Round 2 Larry, Iggy, Donkey Kong---Round 3 Donkey Kong, Lemmy, Yoshi

Banana Cup Round 1 Luigi, Wario, Lakitu---Round 2 Daisy, Peach, Ludwig---Round 3 Bowser, DK, Wario

Leaf Cup Round 1 Toad, Koopa, Rosalina---round 2 Metal Mario, Shyguy, Roy--- round 3 Bowser, Waluigi, PGP

Lightning Cup Round 1 Baby MArio, Luigi, Iggy---Round 2 Koopa, Luigi, Baby Luigi---round 3 Waluigi, Lemmy, Lakitu

Waluigi Mushroom Cup Round 1 DK, Baby Rosalina, Baby Peach---2 Wendy, Baby Peach, Mario---Round 3 Wario, DK, Koopa

Flower cup Round 1 Roy, Luigi, Shyguy---Round 2 Rosalina, Baby Roslaina, Iggy---Round 3 Ludwig, Roy, Baby Luigi

Star cup Round 1 PGP, Baby Peach, Daisy---round 2 Metal MArio, Lemmy, Bowser---round 3 Wario, Metal Mario, Iggy

Special Cup Round 1 Wario, DK, Lakitu---Round 2 Koopa, Mario, Luigi---Round 3, Wendy, Yoshi, Toad

Shell Cup Round 1 Luigi, Toadette, Baby Daisy---Round 2 Shyguy, Bowser, Morton---Round 3 Mario, PGP, Metal MArio

Banana Cup Round 1 Ludwig, Roy, Iggy---Round 2 Baby Rosalina, Rosalina, Baby Peach---Round 3 Wario, Luigi, Koopa

Leaf Cup Round 1 Bowser, Yoshi, Roy---round 2 Baby luigi, Toadette, Shyguy--- round 3 Lemmy, Daisy, Mario

Lightning Cup Round 1 Yoshi, DK, Baby Luigi---Round 2 DK, Bowser, Baby Peach---round 3 Luigi, Baby Daisy, Peach

Lemmy Mushroom Cup Round 1 Roy, Waluigi, Bowser---2 Peach, Mario, Metal Mario---Round 3 Bowser, Baby Peach, Baby Luigi

Flower cup Round 1 DK, PGP, Lakitu---Round 2 Wario, Lakitu, Roy---Round 3 Rosalina, Koopa, Waluigi

Star cup Round 1 Shyguy, Bowser, Iggy---round 2 Morton, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi---round 3 Ludwig, Roy, Toad

Special Cup Round 1 Yoshi, Bowser, Mario---Round 2 Baby MArio, Luigi, Bowser---Round 3, Baby Rosalina, Roy, DK

Shell Cup Round 1 Toadette, Daisy, Baby Daisy---Round 2 Shyguy, Wario, Mario---Round 3 PGP, Iggy, Larry

Banana Cup Round 1 Waluigi, Morton, Rosalina---Round 2 Peach, Wendy, Lakitu---Round 3 Luigi, Bowser, DK

Leaf Cup Round 1 Koopa, Toadette, Baby Luigi---round 2 Mario, Ludwig, Roy--- round 3 PGP, Morton, Baby Luigi

Lightning Cup Round 1 Lakitu, Rosalina, Baby Rosalina---Round 2 Yoshi, Toad, Iggy---round 3 Larry, Wario, Shyguy

Shyguy Mushroom Cup Round 1 Lakitu, Baby MArio, Toad---2 Bowser, Baby Rosalina, Larry---Round 3 Iggy, Waluigi, Lakitu

Flower cup Round 1 Toad, DK, Luigi---Round 2 Mario, Baby Peach, Koopa---Round 3 Wario, Bowser, Morton

Star cup Round 1 Baby Peach, Waluigi, Yoshi---round 2 Daisy, Metal Mario, DK---round 3 Toad, Luigi, Bowser

Special Cup Round 1 Mario, Roy, Lemmy---Round 2 Larry, Iggy, Toadette---Round 3, Yoshi, Lakitu, Koopa

Shell Cup Round 1 Wario, Koopa, Waluigi---Round 2 Baby Mario, Rosalina, Daisy---Round 3 PGP, Baby Luigi, Mario

Banana Cup Round 1 Morton, mario, iggy---Round 2 Toad, Lakitu, Dk---Round 3 Koopa, Wendy, Baby Luigi

Leaf Cup Round 1 Baby mario, Larry, mario---round 2 luigi, waluigi, roy--- round 3 lakitu, iggy, yoshi

Lightning Cup Round 1 rosalina, baby daisy, wario---Round 2 toad, larry, bowser---round 3 waluigi, mario, baby rosalina

Pink gold peach Mushroom Cup Round 1 Morton, waluigi, Shyguy---2 wario, dk, lakitu---Round 3 baby rosalina, metal mario, bowser

Flower cup Round 1 lemmy, wario, baby luigi---Round 2 luigi, yoshi, iggy---Round 3 toad, rosalina, toadette

Star cup Round 1 daisy, bowser, koopa---round 2 metal mario, luigi, shyguy---round 3 yoshi, wario, bowser

Special Cup Round 1 rosalina, dk, baby luigi---Round 2 shyguy, ludwig, morton---Round 3, roy, mario, waluigi

Shell Cup Round 1 luigi, lakitu, koopa---Round 2 bowser, metal mario, toad---Round 3 iggy, shyguy, dk

Banana Cup Round 1 baby mario, wario, luigi---Round 2 roy, lemmy, toadette---Round 3 bowser, yoshi, baby rosalina

Leaf Cup Round 1 larry, lakitu, baby peach---round 2 waluigi, koopa, daisy--- round 3 mario, metal mario, dk

Lightning Cup Round 1 toad, shyguy, roy---Round 2 peach, baby daisy, rosalina---round 3 wario, yoshi, larry

The game seems to select them at random but there are higher chances of certain characters being picked. - Cubeguy (talk)

I played battle mode. As Baby Luigi of course. One thing I noticed was that Luigi and Morton Koopa Jr. had yellow and blue balloons two matches in a row (matches meaning two playthroughs of the rounds). But the third time I battled, they're absent. I haven't noticed anything else.

Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 23:28, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm still not sure if some of you guys get that the positioning doesn't matter AT ALL when it comes to this, it's simply if they are actually are IN the game. -

00:51, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

@BabyLuigi Characters disappears in the same round? Do you remember if in the first two round there was some changes? Anyway... I'm gonna playing that for the first time (in easy, I don't want a GreenShellFest). @Cubeguy I think that, with few exceptions (Waluigi), tracking only the first 3 CPUs don't help us as keeping track of all (even if it's moooore tiring). A CPU that places 11th/11th in a Cup in the next can place 3rd/11th (it happens to me. I never forget this). For the first four characters I track all characters of the first Cup and I delete them if they don't appear after. I decide to change after thinking that a rival can NOT appear the first time but can in all other times... Anyway, I think that 8 times (8? It's the most tiring thing ever) are too much. Today I'll return to 4 races (not 5) but with 4 characters insted of 3. Things should get faster... @Ninelevendo Thanks to your first reminder I start thinking like I do yesterday (table above), but I don't think that putting a comment like Michelmarill does at the top of the discussion is right...

TSU NA MI

I mean, I played 2 16 round matches. Those two were there. Third time I played, they were gone. There weren't any characters that were still there so "OH POSITION DOESN'T MATTER" doesn't count here. I haven't noticed a permanent opponent probably because there is none.

Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 18:27, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

I did some math and found that the ratio on average for ANY character showing (if every character had an equal chance of appearing) is a bit greater than 40%. In order to determine a true rival, I'd suggest that out of 100 races that a character should appear in about 70 or more. This result comes from that 40 is 60 less than 100 (100 - 40 = 60), so divide 60 in half to get 30 (60 / 2 = 30), and 30 less than 100 is 70 (100 - 30 = 70). What do you mates think? Yoshimo (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

I think that we can do this: 100 : 5 = 20. Way faster to do 100 races (OMG). If a character appears 4 times it is 80 (20 x 4 = 80) and means that is a rival. It's better semplify, but for accurate data we should do 10 races intead of 5 (100 : 10 = 10, 10 x 7 = 70), but that means for me a character per day! It will took a month! Anyway, I'm sure that doing 4 races will be OK (100 : 4 = 25, 25 x 3 = 75)

TSU NA MI

The main problem im seeing in this, is the unknown variable of how CPU's are chosen and the amount of characters the game has to choose from being 29, minus the mii, this easily results in characters re-appearing multiple times as less than half the characters are chosen. Also are they really rivals if they just appear in a race with 29 characters choosen at random by an unknown variable system. I know Yoshimo has done math towards it but the unknown nature of the random selection could mean one charcater has could have a 2% higher chance of appearing in a race than another. From the freaking 576 race's i did before i can clearly state that there are rivals but there assigned at random. - Cubeguy (talk)

If they're chosen at random, then they're hardly rivals at all. I say myth busted. -

04:27, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

This means that 4 races aren't enough? Oh my... Then I should REALLY do 10/15 races per character, tooking 1/2 month/s? Or finally we know that there aren't ~~stupid~~ rivals? TSU NA MI

I'm not sure if the rivals are assigned randomly. I keep playing as Baby Daisy and I do see Luigi frequently, as well as Metal Mario, and this is from two separate play sessions, but I'm still testing. After I'm done doing several races with her, I'll do several separate races in different sessions. Also, to people mentioning that we can round down the races, we need to remember that the more we round down, the more off the experimental ratio will be from the theoretical ratio. *a bit later from initial post* Oh, and I think what Cubeguy is saying is that their positions are random, not the characters assigned. Yoshimo (talk) 04:55, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

I know that positions are random... but (like I say before) Waluigi's rivals (2 out of 3) are in the top 5 when I play with them (a time)... try yourself and let me know. Waluigi's rivals are listed before this post TSU NA MI

I've made a couple of observations about possible rivals. First, the definitive rivals seem to be limited to Grand Prix, not VS Mode. For example, most of my GP races as Bowser featured Mario and Luigi as the two biggest opponents, while in VS races this wasn't the case at all. Second, the designated rivals seem to be always shown last on the "Featured Driver" options (from left to right starting with your playable) on Highlight Edit screen. Again, as Bowser, the Mario Bros. were last on that list. This didn't seem to apply to Baby Daisy though. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 15:50, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I just went through all the characters to see who are their rivals. I used the Highlight Reel to help me with this, checking who are the last two racers from left to right. I checked all characters at least two times, three if I needed to check something. Here's the list:

Mario: Peach & Bowser

Luigi: Daisy & Mario

Peach: Toad & DK

Daisy: Waluigi & Peach

Yoshi: DK & Toad

Toad: Waluigi & Koopa Troopa

Koopa Troopa: Yoshi & Toad

Toadette: Wario & Yoshi

Bowser: Luigi & Mario

DK: Bowser & Wario

Wario: Daisy & Mario

Waluigi: Toadette & Luigi

Everyone else: Randomized

There were also no definitive third rivals, even though Daisy had Koopa Troopa as a close contestant two times in a row. Toadette was the only unlockable racer with set rivals, while Babies Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy as well as Shy Guy are starters without racers. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 13:18, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

Rivals. I mean rivals. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 13:27, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I figures it all out, only those revealed at E3 2013 have set rivals, and they actually place high, and always st