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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option on proposals with more than two choices.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "April 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Merge the Wrecking Crew and VS. Wrecking Crew phases into list articles, Axis (ended February 24, 2022)
Do not consider usage of classic recurring themes as references to the game of origin, Swallow (ended March 9, 2022)
Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)
Enforce WCAG Level AA standards to mainspace and template content, PanchamBro (ended May 29, 2022)
Change how RPG enemy infoboxes classify role, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2022)
Trim away detailed special move information for all non-Mario fighters, Koopa con Carne (ended January 30, 2023)
Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023)
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Consider filenames as sources and create redirects, Axis (ended August 24, 2023)
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)
Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024)
Standardize the formatting of foreign and explanatory words and phrases in "Names in other languages" tables, Annalisa10 (ended February 7, 2024)
Trim or remove various Smash franchise-specific subcategories, Camwoodstock (ended February 25, 2024)
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split the various reissues of Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended April 22, 2022)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Expand source priority exception to include regional English differences, LinkTheLefty (ended January 14, 2023)
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)
Remove the list of Super Smash Bros. series objects, Axis (ended May 10, 2023)
Merge Start Dash with Rocket Start, Koopa con Carne (ended August 17, 2023)
Use italics for the full title of the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass, Hewer (ended September 15, 2023)
Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023)
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)
Decide which series certain Yoshi games are related to, GuntherBB (ended December 14, 2023)
Change the Super Mario 64 DS level section to include more specific character requirements, Altendo (ended December 20, 2023)
Replace "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" sections with a "History" section, DrippingYellow (ended December 20, 2023)
Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023)
Make major changes to the MarioWiki:Links page, PnnyCrygr (ended January 10, 2024)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Merge the "Johnson" running gag into one page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Merge the ghost Bats and Mice from Luigi's Mansion to their respective organic counterparts from the later games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)
Split Strobomb from Robomb, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)
Split the NES and SNES releases of Wario's Woods, SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (ended March 27, 2024)
Merge Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner to Mii, TheUndescribableGhost (ended March 28, 2024)
Merge Masterpieces to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U articles, Camwoodstock (ended March 31, 2024)
Split Super Luigi Bros. from NES Remix 2, DrippingYellow (ended April 5, 2024)
Merge Game & Watch: Manhole (minigame) with Manhole (Game & Watch), JanMisali (ended April 9, 2024)
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)
Rename Beanstalk to Vine, DrippingYellow (ended April 11, 2024)
Delete Trophy Tussle, Super Mario RPG (ended April 19, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

Writing Guidelines

A writing guideline for Image Maps

see here for the draft.

This Writing Guideline is meant to clear thing of when and how an Image Map page should be created. It will be created under the name MarioWiki:Image Maps. These rules only apply to real articles.

All information are present in the draft, description is present here:

The Map Images must be a map sprite from the game, screenshot, or an official map artwork because it makes the Image Map looks professional. Fan-made will make the Image Map looks fake, unofficial nor professional

Templates are only for real articles, no templates for Policy pages, Help pages, or Userpages.. However, coding can go in any other page.

Image Maps are meant only for locations, or levels. It is not good to have an Image map for characters, even if the artwork was official, it won't look neat.

Image Maps are meant to help with navigation. If image is less than 8 links, it could be embedded in the page with caption description the links. Example on the right.

From left to right: "This", "is", "an", and "example".

The Image Map's any dimension must not exceed 400 pixels, and the other one must not exceed 200 pixels. The Image Map's width in the {{Worldbox}} template must never exceed 300 pixels.
I specified the sizes depending on medium sized screens, so it does not look very small, or very big. Reason includes that if maps were larger than that then the page would look very crowded.

If the map isn't going to be put into the Worldbox template, then the map should be classed as a thumbnail and aligned to the right. However, If the map is only going to be put in the Worldbox template, it must be classed as none and it must be aligned in the center. Otherwise a variable must be declared; so if it is set to infobox,it would be aligned in the center and it would be classed as none. And if it is not set, it would be classed as a thumbnail and it would be aligned to the right.

In other word, templates like {{NSMBmap}} are put inside the {{Worldbox}} and never outside, so it is classed as none and it is aligned in the center, so it looks centered and without borders in the template. Templates like {{PMTTYDmap}} are put outsise the Worldbox template and never inside, so it is classed as thumbnail and aligned to the right. However templates like {{NSMBUmap}} are put both inside and outside, so there is a variable defining if it would be put in the Worldbox template, or would be put outside.

The template must only be put where it links to (i.e If the template only links to Template:Fakelink and Template:Fakelink, it must never be put on Template:Fakelink). That's because it is unneeded on an unrelated page.

If the article is about a subject that only appeared in the Image Map's game, the template should be put under the info-box. Otherwise the template should be put as the first line in the game's section on the article.

Explaining: {{PMTTYDmap}} links to X-Naut Fortress and The Moon.. Since X-Naut Fortress only appeared in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, the template is put under the infobox, However The Moon appeared in multiple games, so the template is put in the game's section.

For the Platformer games: in the Worlds pages, the template should be put in the map parameter of the {{Worldbox}} template (using the code |map={{templatename}}). Reason includes it unneeded to crowd the page with a template, which can be put inside the infobox template.

Last three sections describe basics of creating the template.

Use the comments section below for comments and suggestions.

Proposer: Megadardery (talk)
Deadline: September 30, 2013 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Megadardery (talk)
  2. Yoshi876 (talk) Per proposal. Should help those new to image maps as well.
  3. Scr7 (talk) per proposal... I don't see anything bad about this, and it'd be helpful to a lot of people.
  4. Sonic98 (talk) Per all
  5. LeftyGreenMario (talk) ImageMaps will come in the future (until something renders it deprecated), and once more people know how to do it, the better. Knowledge is power.
  6. Driftmaster130 (talk) Per all.
  7. World10 (talk) I think it's a good idea, per all.
  8. Icemario11 (talk) Per all.
  9. Ultra Koopa (talk) Per LeftyGreenMario.

Oppose

  1. Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) I personally find it unneeded.
  2. Mario7 (talk) I think it is fine the way it is, and we don't need to change anything.
  3. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) Per Mario7.

Comments

@Iggy Koopa Jr Why? Image maps are kinda complicated, they need several rules, so it does not look messy when created. Megadardery (talk)

It is because not many image maps are made on this wiki(because unneeded), and not everyone knows how to make one. I have myself not stumbled on a messy Map, so I think rules for something already done well is unneeded. Iggy Koopa Jr (talk)

The reason of not too many ImageMaps are made on wiki mostly because people don't know how to make one, hopefully this writing guideline will put standards for making the Imagemap, that's why I made it in the first place, With many games (specially 3DS games) new today, the ImageMaps will help a lot in navigation. And I can guess that's lot of ImageMaps are coming in near future. Megadardery (talk)

New features

Make a template encouraging non-users that have made 20 or more edits to make an account

The Idea was very good. It was thrown away and forgotten just because the automatic process won't work. But we can issue the template manually. Thankfully, User:NewSMBU created a draft, with minor changes, I created another draft. While this proposal is going, changes can be done to the draft.

Proposer: Megadardery (talk)
Deadline: September 25, 2013 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Megadardery (talk) Per old proposal
  2. Yoshi876 (talk) Will help get more contributive members, per proposal.
  3. Driftmaster130 (talk) Great idea, per all.
  4. Mario7 (talk) Per all.

Oppose

  1. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – This proposal would require somebody or several people to keep track of the changes that all anonymous editors make, which is not feasible. It is too likely to overwhelm one person that even attempts it or lead to coordination problems with multiple people that attempt it. If the process were able to be automated and could be decently implemented by having a bot add the template, that would be good to consider, but I don't think this idea is sustainable in the long-term as suggested by this proposal.
  2. Walkazo (talk) - I wasn't keen on the idea last time, but I didn't vote because it was impossible either way. Anyway, if someone wants to register, they'd register - I highly doubt a boilerplate message would change their mind either way. If anything, they might find it irritating to be pestered like that when they just want to be anonymous for one reason or another. Plus, while automation could create a one-time message like the current Welcome setup (afaik), manually making talk pages will result in stuff lying around dormant long after the anon's joined or moved on, which is simply a waste of space.
  3. Glowsquid (talk) - Generic nag messages, automated or not, are horripilating and a waste of time for everyone involved.
  4. Gamefreak75 (talk) - If a user is going to create an account, they'll do so, and a useless template won't stop them from it. Per all.
  5. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all.
  6. Tucayo (talk) - I think a little incentive to encourage anons to create an account is good, and what we have now is probably enough. Per Walkazo on the "waste of space" part.
  7. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) I've hated this idea the first time it came up and my opinions haven't changed on the matter since. Anons should be able to edit as they please with out being pestered into creating an account.
  8. Baby Luigi (talk) Per Glowsquid
  9. GBAToad (talk) Per all.
  10. Randombob-omb4761 (talk) Per Walkazo.
  11. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I think this template will actually discourage users. If there are anons that are being super active and helpful, then it's better to thank them formally to encourage their signing up than to give a less caring, automated template.
  12. Superchao (talk) Per SMB and Walkazo.
  13. Icemario11 (talk) Per all.
  14. Scr7 (talk) Per SMB and Glowsquid.
  15. Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) Like said on the old proposal, it is not feasible. Besides, I find it a bad idea, with an attempt of making publivity to the wiki. If a user is editing a wiki anonymously, he can decide on his own if he wants to really join this place, or not to.

Comments

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Stop Considering Amps as Chain Chomps

I have done a fair amount of research on this, I've discussed this with a handful of users, and I've come to the conclusion that there's really no reason for Amps to be considered Chain Chomps. I believe everything started when it was stated that Amps were mistakenly placed in the "Chain Chomp" category of enemies in the strategy guide of New Super Mario Bros.. After that, a user named RedStar wrote that Amps were called Electro-Chomps in the New Super Mario Bros. Wii guide. As far as I can tell, this has been the entire basis for considered Amps as Chain Chomps, since, after this name was added, everyone accepted that Amps are Chain Chomps as if it was fact. If you noticed, though, there was no source for it, and he eliminated the mention of Amp being wrongly placed in the NSMB guide. What's even more interesting, though, is that Redstar fully admitted to that being nothing more than a joke, meaning that "Electro-Chomp" is 100% false.

Heck, "Electro-Chomp" is only mentioned on that very article: outside of the Amp article, no other article even mentions that, and outside of this wiki, there is no mention of "Electro-Chomp" outside of a YouTube video for an unrelated matter and a litter of usernames. There's really no other sources that point to them being connected. Thus, the only real connection Amps and Chain Chomps have are their appearance. However, the very vague description "black sphere" isn't enough to say that the two are part of the same species. So, now that I've essentially proven that Amps and Chain Chomps have very few points in common, should we really keep considering Amps as a sub-species of Chain Chomps?

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: September 24, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Amps are not Chain Chomps

  1. Time Turner (talk) I support my proposal.
  2. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I blinked when I first saw that Bowser amps are listed under "chomps" and "chain chomps". They bear little to no relation to each other, too, and I decided to talk about it in Bowser Amp's talk page. Then, I discovered that since Bowser amp is an amp, and amps are supposedly "chomps", then Bowser amps are chomps and thus, Chain Chomps. That's what made me blink. Again, the only thing that calls these amps "chomps" is Prima, which also has a knack for misnaming enemies. That being said, it's easier to say what it's not than what it is, too, so if we're unsure about the status of the Amp, we assume that it's not a chomp, chain chomp, or whatever. My sister Baby Luigi insists that I'm missing the point, that I keep confusing "Chain Chomp" with "Chomp", but she misses my broader point that amps aren't chomps at all and, therefore, should not be categorized as "chain chomps". I might sound all over the place, but my point in the talk page is that the placement of amps in "chomps"/"chain chomps" is incorrect mainly because of a lack of ingame description and frank official sources. Adding to that the whole thing is joke only reinforces my point.
  3. Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) Per all.
  4. Megadardery (talk) Per LGM
  5. Yoshi876 (talk) I agreed with it on the forums, I agree with it here.
  6. Scr7 (talk) Per all. Amps = Chain Chomps? really? ._.
  7. Icemario11 (talk) Per all.
  8. World10 (talk) Yeah, per all.
  9. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all.
  10. Webkinz Mania (talk) Ditto. Lol though.
  11. Randombob-omb4761 (talk) Per all.
  12. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) Amps have almost no similarities to Chain Chomps. Per all.

Amps are Chain Chomps

Comments

I think this is small enough to be a TPP Baby Luigi (talk)

It's a change that's gonna require editing many articles. Doesn't that make it worthy of a full-fledged proposal? Time Turner (talk)
Updating links and lists and whatnot isn't the same thing as making major changes to a swathe of articles. This is a pretty specific topic, but it does affect a couple kinds of Amps, I suppose, so while a TPP would have been okay, a full Proposal isn't exactly wrong, either. - Walkazo (talk)


Correct use of the term "Beta"

One thing has been irking me a lot and that is the use of "Beta Elements" as the name of the page that has info about stuff not seen in the game. The term "beta" is used as (usually) the last release in the software release life cycle and that is where things start to get difficult.

It's wrong to call something from alpha or after beta stage as being something from the beta development stage. The problem being that it's impossible to know what stage it is from. Sometimes it can be stuff that was planned but not put in, for example the SSBB page has info about Sakurai saying that Villager was planned to be in the game. There's no evidence about this anywhere in the games files or magazine screenshots.

My suggestion is changing the "Beta Elements" name to something like "Pre-release concepts" I'm aware that many other wiki(a)s and sites use the term "beta", but I think it should be stopped ASAP in order to prevent people from spreading misinformation.

Proposer: PPLToast (talk)
Deadline: September 29, 2013, 23:59 GMT.

Support

  1. PPLToast (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Conny (talk) Fully agree, the term "beta" has been used incorrectly for the longest, and someone needs to put their foot down to stop this. Per proposal.
  3. Betamaster64 (talk) I too agree. It's lead many users to incorrectly use "beta". Per proposal.
  4. Scr7 (talk) per all

Oppose

  1. Randombob-omb4761 (talk) "Beta Elements" seems pretty helpful to me, I wouldn't call it "Alpha Elements" and i don't really understand ""Pre-release concepts".

Comments

@Randombob-omb4761 Calling them "Alpha elements" is just as bad as saying "Beta elements". "Pre-release concepts" are simply what the game was earlier in its development. Betamaster64 (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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