Talk:Paper Mario: Color Splash

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Missing things[edit]

Where is the reception?! - yhynerson1 (talk, contribs) 20:42, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

The game hasn't even been released, so there is no reception to report. MarioComix (talk) 21:36, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
What we need is a "Spike Guy" article. --LTIan (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2016 (EDT)

Do you really think adding the pre-release fanbase reception was a good idea?[edit]

I don't think adding it is a good idea at all. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2016 (EDT)

I know Super Mario Wiki here tends to avoid "fanbase reception", and usually only reports on official reviews and sales. However, the edit does provide sources, and I personally can't invalidate those any more than official reviews. MarioComix (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
I don't know how reliable the said sources are, if they are wiki-material sources. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:01, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
Just to say, the Fan Reception that was added a while ago was copy and pasted right from Wikipedia. YoshiHeadSSB4-U.png Tails777 Talk to me!RobinHeadSSB4-U.png 20:38, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
Yes, I KNOW it was copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I just think it doesn't suit for it to include the fanbase reception, unless it makes them beyond happy or beyond sad/angry. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:32, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
Should've reverted plagiarism at first notice. In terms of fan reactions, there isn't much say in MarioWiki:Reception and sales except "User scores on larger publications and Nintendo's own built-in systems (such as on the Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS or Wii U) can also be used, especially if there's a noticeable discrepancy between critic and player reception." though the next sentence immediately warns: "However, it's generally unadvisable to make qualitative statements such as 'The game was well-received on Miiverse', as these statements are prone to weasel-wording and can hardly be 'proven' one way or another." I have to note on the latter part of the later sentences on why I do not support making statements on general fan section. There are no means to properly generalize fan reactions (after all, this whole "negative fan reception" can characterize a mere vocal minority). That there is one source, techradar, is fine, but it's one of the two sources (techradar and nintendo-insider) provided and you also have to examine the source rather than accept them just for being sources. The source provided is a single opinion by an author from techradar is far from enough to avoid a hasty generalization as "fans of the series, who were critical of the game for seemingly continuing the gameplay style used in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, which had a lessened focus on RPG elements, story, and featured no original characters" (techradar's opinion piece was the source for that statement). Sure, the piece itself says, "Us Paper fans are very wary", but that's just an empty statement. The other source, is again, an opinion piece from techradar. To be fair, this one does a tad better job at trying to sum up fan reactions, but its only supporting evidence is that there is a change org petition to cancel the game and one comment. The rest is just opinion, not really reporting. The last source is basically a repeat of the change org petition, but it's also not supported and does not make any generalizations to fan reactions. I don't think fan knee-jerk reactions deserve any coverage on this wiki unless they're actually significant. These aren't. None of these sources themselves provide anything substantial to back up the claim that "fan reception is very negative" aside from the ridiculous change.org petition. Even then, something on change.org isn't significant aside from there are really unhinged people in the Paper Mario fanbase. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 20:01, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
I say we put back the reviews because, remember the game had only been around for 30 minutes when it was first announced and people already hated it. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 16:45, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
This is not the first game that had mixed reception from the fans who judged only using the trailer as source. If you want pre-release fan reception to be covered for all games, I think you should make a proposal.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
@Fawful's Minion: YouTube comments sections are hardly good indicators of a resource that is difficult to quantificate and therefore add as a legit source in MarioWiki. As for the reviewer comments, it sounds like a legit op-ed but I'm not too sure if it's a good idea to source it, for all the reasons my twin has said. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 20:34, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

Sledge Bro.[edit]

Can someone please tell me if Sledge Bro. is really a boss in Paper Mario: Color Splash, because I remove this information since there was no source that come with this information and now someone else add this information back to the article and once again without a source. So, do Sledge Bro. make a appearance in Paper Mario: Color Splash as a boss? --LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 14:00, 17 June 2016 (EDT)

I'm 100% sure that i've seen a Sledge Bro as a boss in a demo at E3 (on YouTube), but right now i can't find it anywhere :c I think it's a better idea to remove Sledge Bro from the page, maybe it was just the boss for the demo. -Pixel meowstic.png Fieke Meowstic Meowstic pixel.png 20:29, 17 June 2016 (CET)
He appears in the GameXplain's video of 15 minutes of footage from a game demo, along with a collectible to increase the maximum number of cards that can be used at once. Since the video was made private or maybe even removed, we cannot cite a source for now. This is also why I didn't add the line about the collectible.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
Do you have a video for proof? --LTIan (talk) 23:50, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
As I said before, the video was made provate or removed, this is why I didn't add relevant information contained in it. As far as I'm concerned, we might have to remove Sledge Bro as well, until official material reconfirms him.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:21, 29 June 2016 (EDT)

Backwards "L"[edit]

I do not know if it's me who not notice much because the "L" on Luigi's cap is small, but when Luigi is found and he is surprised, when he is surprised, the "L" on Luigi's cap backwards? I need that other people confirmed and if yes, is it trivia worthy?--LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 18:00, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

Here on this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=20m1s --LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 18:01, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

I doubt it'd be particularly noteworthy, probably an error or minor laziness on the part of whoever did the character model (if that's even the right term). ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 18:06, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Perhaps it'll be fix in the final version. If not, then yeah, trivia. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:07, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

Remove Morton Koopa, Jr. from Boss List[edit]

While I do understand that the Koopalings will appear in this game, I would appreciate it if someone could just remove Morton's name from the list. Because until I know if the other Koopalings will make their apperances, I don't want to see a single Koopaling name in that list. Just leave the Koopalings' listing alone. --LTIan (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

It has been said that the Koopalings will appear in the game, but Morton is the only one to date we saw, so saying that Morton will appears is preferable.--LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 12:58, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
But Mario JC said that "All Nintendo said was that "the Koopalings" will appear, so to be on the safer side, it should appropriately be left as "Koopalings"." So I think we should remove Morton's name and just leave it as Koopalings in the Boss List. Until there are 2 or more Koopalings available, I don't want to see Morton's name on there. --LTIan (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
I do not see the problem of having Morton on this page, since it is the only one of the seven Koopalings whose role is confirmed. It's valid information and I don’t think we should remove valid information just because it not please somebody--LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 16:13, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
Where is it confirmed anyway? If the Koopalings are confirmed to make an appearance here in Color Splash, we can also list their names in the characters section, just not under the boss fights. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 17:02, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
I'll put them under "Others" section then. --LTIan (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
You misunderstood what I said: I never said Morton's name should be removed nor was I displeased at its being there, what I meant from what I said was that it should be left as "Koopalings" as well as his name, because he's the only one confirmed. I thought that much was obvious so I didn't bring it up, sorry for not making that clear. Rosalina pose SMM.png Mario JC
OK. But can I at least put Bowser in the boss section? If the Koopalings are involved with some sort of color-stealing scheme, I think Bowser may be the one who's behind it all. --LTIan (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
That is a different story and falls under the category of speculation. Unlike the Koopalings, there's no source that explicitly states or mentions anything relating to Bowser's appearance or role. Rosalina pose SMM.png Mario JC
Fine, I'll put Bowser in the Others section, too. JIC if he should be involved. --LTIan (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2016 (EDT)

Let's try to clarify the reasons behind the current choices in the "Bosses" section:

  • the Koopalings as bosses have been confirmed by Tabata, so they appear in the "Bosses" section as group;
  • Tabata did not mention the actual names of the Koopalings involved, the names were mentioned in the Nintendo Minutes after E3 as simply a list of all the Koopalings, furthermore it is not clear how they appear, just look at Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, where they were fought in groups and even more than once; therefore their individual names are not added in said "Bosses" section;
  • the reason why Morton was added does not stem from Tabata's interview: a playthrough of the game repeated in two events (E3 and Hyper Japan Festival) showed a boss battle in which Morton is fought alone, therefore he was added among the bosses and since he's a Koopaling, as part of the Koopalings group.

I hope that this explanation will clarify the reason why Morton is listed alone and not the other Koopalings. Since there was also a disagreement regarding the "Others" section I think it would be wise to gather all official material that explicitly says that all of them will be present and then reach here an agreement before making edits to said section.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:25, 24 July 2016 (EDT)

Then just take out the letter 's' in Koopalings and just leave the word 'Koopaling' under the bosses' section. When, and if when, there are more Koopalings shown in the game, the 's' can go back in the word 'Koopaling'. The trouble is I hate Grammar being out of place.

For example:

Koopaling is a singular word. That means 'ONE' koopaling. Koopalings is a plural word. That means 'more than one' koopaling.

Now, if Morton's the only Koopaling that's shown so far, then just take out the letter 's' in the word, "Koopalings", and just leave it as Koopaling until more show up. --LTIan (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2016 (EDT)

The Koopalings as a group have been confirmed by a different source from the one that led to the addition of Morton, as soon as new boss battles with Koopalings will be revealed, they will be added under that group, but again, remember that the source for the Koopalings as group and for Morton are different.--Mister Wu (talk) 02:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
Then can't we just leave the word "Koopalings" as Koopaling in the Bosses section until more boss battles are revealed? --LTIan (talk) 15:55, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
I'm sorry that you don't understand what I write, I'll try to explain once more: the Koopalings as group are confirmed by Tabata's interview and are mentioned in the "Bosses" section; since the battle with Morton from the final game has been shown, it is listed. It made sense to list it under that group since he's a Koopaling. But again, the Koopalings as group are confirmed and thus are mentioned with the plural, just the way they will be battled except for Morton is not confirmed and thus it is not listed in the Bosses section.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Things[edit]

According to somewhere near the end of the video here: http://nintendoeverything.com/paper-mario-color-splash-demonstration-hyper-japan-festival-2016/ Things are now squeezed into cards immediately, implying the Sling-a-Thing is no more. --24.231.38.180

Added this information on the main page. Thanks for pointing to the video, it was really interesting!--Mister Wu (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2016 (EDT)

Fully Protect this page until the game's release[edit]

I may sound picky about this but could an Administrator please protect this page because some users mainly LTIan (talk) keep adding false information such as listing all the Koopalings even adding unconfirmed content. And even adding a speculative plot. So could an Admin please protect the page until the game's official release. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 19:12, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

If it's just one user, we could just restrict that user's editing privileges. Given that LTIan (talk) is likely autoconfirmed by now, semi-protecting the page wouldn't be productive and fully protecting would be counterproductive. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 20:13, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
To be fair, the two enemies were added because the enemy cards are shown in the game. Since enemy cards are obtained from defeated enemies, this is the reason why the two enemies were added last time. I think a better way to handle this is trying to talk to LTIan (talk) directly, I'm not English so I couldn't explain the reasons why the Koopalings weren't added to the bosses section properly.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:06, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
I mentioned his conflict with the speculation twice before, the unsourced characters seem to be a new one as of July 22 2016 6:01 (GMT). Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 02:08, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
Okay, it's officially settled. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 02:06, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

PEGI 7[edit]

The game was officially Re-Rated from PEGI 3 to PEGI 7.--78.87.23.28 14:05, 17 August 2016 (EDT)

I see, it's in the latest video of the game! I'll update the information on the main page.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:16, 17 August 2016 (EDT)

Gamescom 2016[edit]

Frog Suit, Spin Jump, a new type of Shy Guy (The Shy Bandit), Yoshi, some new Things cards and Bone Goombas were shown in the event. (http://flare-blog.tumblr.com/post/149126927141/frog-suit-spin-jump-a-new-type-of-shy-guy-the).
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flare (talk).

There is also a gameplay video, unfortunately until Sunday I'll likely won't be able to add all the new aspects that were revealed.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
I'll do it! Koopalmier (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Reference[edit]

I don't really know how to add a reference link but I got information about the max paint upgrade animation, can someone add it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urwb26zdFE&t=47s
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cheetah-shooter (talk).

Did that! Having a direct reference is nice, so thanks for pointing that out! By the way, remember to add a signature, possibly with date!--Mister Wu (talk) 18:01, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Bowser Artwork[edit]

The UK page has been updated, adding ??? (read:Bowser) and has artwork for him. http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/Paper-Mario-Color-Splash-1090845.html#story

Thanks for the tip! I added the artwork to the main page and the gallery!--Mister Wu (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2016 (EDT)

Petea?[edit]

Why is Petey Piranha called Petea?Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk) 12:23, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Probably to make a tea joke, given the fact that he's found in a teapot. Regardless, that's what he's called in this game so that's what we list. YoshiHeadSSB4-U.png Tails777 Talk to me!RobinHeadSSB4-U.png12:29, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
That's very odd. I doubt they'd change the name of a major recurring character like that. It could easily be a typo. I don't know. I guess we'll see when the game comes out.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk) 12:44, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
What you are seeing is the final game. Petea is different from Petey, as there is a "tail" from the tea envelope that Petey doesn't have. It's probably a new character or a variation of Petey. If the museum has bios we will know the proper definition, but it's surely not exactly like Petey--Mister Wu (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
Two questions. 1) Could you show me a picture so I can see the differences and 2) Should we the remove the Color Splash section on Petey's article until we confirm whether or not it's a new character?Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
Forget the first question. I saw a picture.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk) 17:11, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
It might be wise to remove it from Petey's page, until we get confirmation from the game that he's actually Petey Piranha and not a related character. If a section has already been made about him, creating a new page with the content of the section might be a good idea. I'm not a part of the wiki's staff, though, so I'd wait an opinion from one of them.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

I think it's best to allow for the game to first be released, so we'd be deciding as players, rather than observers of a gameplay video. If "Petea" is shown to be a separate character (whether "Petey" is referenced elsewhere in the game), then the teabag should definitely receive its own page. But even if he's not referenced, I'd be leaning towards allowing Petea to remain merged. The attached tea label on the string disappears after the battle is won, so it doesn't seem to be a permanent part of him. Therefore he seems more of an alter-ego of Petey.

'Shroom Spotlight Shokora (talk · edits) 19:02, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Ok, precious new information: in the Japanese version Petea is referred to as 「テイーパックン」, meaning pretty much Tea Piranha, Petea Piranha is a pun created by the Treehouse team. This is confusing, as indeed he looks like Petey, but his original name is even more distant from that of Petey (「ボスパックン」, roughly meaning Boss Piranha).

Birdo[edit]

It appears that Birdo is in the game, but where is she in the stream? (Found her in the files though).
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Memoryman3 (talk).

In Plum Park, https://youtu.be/QcJNTANspYo?t=3h59m58s


The preceding unsigned comment was added by ‎Flare (talk).

Full Story?[edit]

I was just wondering since some people have the full version of the game because of the eShop mishap, and that Crunchii is doing a stream, should we update the wiki page with the full story and stuff like stages and characters? --SuperML Signature.png 20:31, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Steak Boss[edit]

So, what should I call this thing? You can see it in the 'Adventure Unfolds' trailer at 3:10, and in game it's fought like a boss in a cooking mission. The code calls it 'Boss Beef', though I'm not sure I should use a code name like that.

Any ideas?

Cheat-master30

It's just "Steak". Koopalmier (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
You can see the boss in this stream. Indeed, like Koopalmier said, its name is just Steak.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:05, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
So what should we do about the page? Cause the one for Steak redirects to Meat, an item in the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi series. But this thing is called Steak. Seems kind of weird to add a mention to the Meat page.Cheat-master30
We have to create a Steak (boss) page, and creating a disambiguation line at the beginning of said new page.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

Concept Art[edit]

An album containing the concept art of Paper Mario Color Splash is available.

https://imgur.com/a/Xqd7F

At the very least, it has pictures of Huey's concepts as well as a clear shot of Black Bowser's Castle.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thatguy62 (talk).

They're so cool! Thanks for the link, they've all been uploaded and placed on the game's gallery (although most of them are missing a proper descrption).
'Shroom Spotlight Shokora (talk · edits) 20:57, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Ratings are out[edit]

https://www.google.com/search?q=paper+mario+color+splash+review Around 7.4-8.5 out of 10. - KurwaAntics (talk, contribs) 19:07, 5 October 2016 (EDT)

I think Metacritic and Gamerankings are more useful to find the reviews. I don't plan to make a section about critical reception soon, so if you want, feel free to make it using other games here having such a section as an example.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2016 (EDT)

Replica for Every Thing Card?[edit]

There's only a replica for the Fan, Lemon and Piggy Bank as seen in the wiki (Paper Mario: Color Splash), but according to a sprites in-game site there's a replica version for every Thing Card [1]. What should we do? Remove those three specifications and say there's a replica for every Thing? --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 07:13, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Ok just noticed there's a Huey replica so it must be fake or someThing. Did you see what I just did there? Ok enough silly jokes --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
Replicas are different Cards with a slightly different animation that even trigger different lines of dialogue, so they shoudl be lsited until the Battle cards page is done.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. Underground Theme[edit]

@Tails777 An edit war has arisen and it must be addressed. Me and Tails777 (Talk) disagree as to whether or not the Super Mario Bros. Underground Theme is really a reference anymore. He says it's not because it appears in so many games and it's like saying a Goomba appearing is a reference to Super Mario Bros. But There are many games where the theme doesn't appear. We need the input of other users. Is it a reference or not?
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 20:17, 11 October 2016 (EDT)

I agree with Tails777. It's not really as much a reference as it is a homage. Might as well say the same thing about the Mario Bros. main theme. True, it doesn't appear in every game, but neither does Luigi. Should we reference Mario Bros. every time Luigi appears? And an edit war is when an edit is reverted and re-revert three times, I think. This wasn't an edit war, just a disagreement. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 20:19, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
I'm also agreeing with Tails here. Unless the music is straight ripped with the 8-bit sounds intact, it can't be a reference to the game in question Super Mario Bros. any more. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 20:25, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
I agree with you though. Any remixed version is a reference to the first version, not to another version neither considered not a reference. --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
OK, Tails. You win. Actually, now that I've seen the reasons of the opposing side, I agree with it too. Not a reference.
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 22:15, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
I apologize if we did end up in an edit war, but I'm glad we were able to talk it out, even if I wasn't involved much here. YoshiHeadSSB4-U.png Tails777 Talk to me!RobinHeadSSB4-U.png
It wasn't really an edit war, but I wanted to talk it out before it turned into one. :)
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 10:37, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

Piper Quest[edit]

Where should this part of the game be mentioned? Because there's a side quest where you have to reunite six friends on a rooftop in Port Prisma, as can be seen here:

Complete Piper Sidequest (Mario Party Legacy

However, the game never names five of the six characters, with the only one actually given a name being Piper (the Ptooie). So what should I do here?

Mention it on the main article page? Mention it on the Port Prisma page? Add a page for the sidequest? Add pages for all the characters in it?

I guess someone should probably at least add a page for Piper, given it's actually given a unique name and personality in game, but what about the rest of the sidequest?

Cheat-master30

Actually, four of the five Toads are named. Greenie, Bloo, Yella and Redd, to be specific. I also like how when Piper is born again, the miniboss music starts and it looks like you're fighting a regular Ptooie until the music stops and the Toads mention that the Ptooie is, in fact, Piper. I like anything that involves the music getting screwed up, like the Black Shy Guy dodging your attacks, where it goes slow-mo. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 20:17, 30 October 2016 (EDT)
Didn't know they were named. Well, then, guess that means they should all be getting articles at some point. And yeah, I loved the mini boss music fakeout too. Cheat-master30 20:17, 30 October 2016 (EDT)
An article already exists for Piper btw. Rosalina pose SMM.png Mario JC 20:33, 30 October 2016 (EDT)
I just added Piper to the PMCS Template--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 20:38, 30 October 2016 (EDT)

I made that article, but I'd say the toad portion needs more info on Piper, I would've added the info that's uncovered with the corresponding toad, but I couldn't remember who said what, feel free to add that info, oh, do you think that perhaps we should change the article from Piper (Color Splash) to "Piper and friends"? I mean basicly the toads just give the info, which the article covers, or should cover. Pikmin theories (talk) 23:42, 9 November 2016 (EST)

I don't think renaming it is necessary, plus an even longer title like "Piper and friends" other than the official name already given doesn't seem right. Maybe just redirect the Toad names to Piper and list them in bold, since they don't really have enough info to get their own articles, and the only info they already have ties in with Piper anyway. Rosalina pose SMM.png Mario JC 06:09, 10 November 2016 (EST)

Koopas = Reptiles[edit]

OK, an edit war is beginning. It has to do with the similarities sections. The RPG Gamer thinks that we should mention that the third boss is a reptile (Ludwig). I don't think that warrants a mention. For one thing, there is no complete confirmation that Koopas are reptiles, no matter how obvious it is. For another thing, every other main boss is a reptile, so it's not very notable that Ludwig is too. It's just too vague. What does everyone else think?
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 10:49, 9 November 2016 (EST)

I agree with you, it just seems like a stretch.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 11:37, 9 November 2016 (EST)
I don't think it is necessary. Even if it is comparing all the games and finding a common thing. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 11:53, 9 November 2016 (EST)
I agree that this similarity stretches it a bit too far, however, it is confirmed that members of Bowser's species are turtles, not only in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, but also in the Wii U version of Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games, as seen here(the text says: "There are creepy fangs on that kind of... bib... little scarf... something that Bowser Jr. wears. Whatever that thing is, it seems that he puts it on his face as if it was a mask! He thinks to be scary, but he remains instead a tiny, tender, little turtle.").--Mister Wu (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2016 (EST)
It says on a certain site that turtles are reptiles and not amphibians and koopas as are turtles which makes them reptiles. Also in the first two games Clubbas, a sub-species of Spike which is a sub-species of Koopa are considered reptiles therefore implying that Koopas are reptiles. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 13:46, 9 November 2016 (EST)
It shouldn't be mentioned since it is a stretch. (Super Paper Mario had Francis.) Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:01, 9 November 2016 (EST)
Then we would be saying th the same about Clubbas. They're still reptiles regardless of how much of a stretch it is. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 14:08, 9 November 2016 (EST)
OK. Let me say this another way. Since it is a stretch to connect the Koopas with Francis, reptile bosses should not be mentioned on this page. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2016 (EST)
What about connecting Francis with Clubbas. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 14:15, 9 November 2016 (EST)
I was referring to Clubbas as part of the Koopas in the last sentence. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:18, 9 November 2016 (EST)
And since every main boss in the game is of the same species, saying here that the third bosses of the games doesn't need to be here. And can you image what a guest who only knows Color Splash as their only Paper Mario game would think? They would think, "Aren't all of the main bosses reptiles?" and may be confused by the statement. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:33, 9 November 2016 (EST)
It's not a stretch to say koopas are reptiles, it's a stretch to use it as a similarity between games.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 14:38, 9 November 2016 (EST)
Fellow editors, I beseech thee not to edit war! It's clear that both sides are firm in their beliefs. Both sides have valid arguments. We need the input of more users. Until then, let's just leave it off the page. I've noticed that The RPG Gamer and Yoshi the SSM have been changing the page. But it's never really been decided. This has turned into a far bigger issue than it should be. I'm adding {{Talk}}. Let's hope some experienced editors are watching the unresolved talk page category.
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 14:59, 9 November 2016 (EST)
Here's hoping they are, in the past many of mine on help talk pages have gone unnoticed. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 15:05, 9 November 2016 (EST)

I'll have a go, I guess. Is it confirmed that the Koopas are reptiles? Yes. Is it notable for Ludwig or any other Koopaling for Color Splash? Not really. It's like saying "the human hero, Mario." Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:06, 9 November 2016 (EST)

Valid arguments? Linking two games based on a very flimsy connection (you might as well say that the ground is colored a certain way). The reptile connection is inane and painfully contrived, like saying Toadette has a relationship with Toadsworth because they are the same species. If you put enough effort, you can find and torture a connection for anything. Mario Green.pngKaBoom!
Oh my yikes! That thing about Lucina was in an article one time? I can't even read it. Good point. With the right imagination, you can connect anything. Imagination shouldn't be shown in articles on wikis, just the facts.
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 22:52, 9 November 2016 (EST)
Or, in my opinion, it can be interesting without being contrived, such as Ghostly Galaxy's music's first four notes spelling "dead". Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 22:55, 9 November 2016 (EST)

The Paint Stars[edit]

Question: Should the pages for the Big and Mini Paint Stars be merged into a Paint Stars page?--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 20:03, 9 November 2016 (EST)

No. Because they look different and have different functions. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 20:04, 9 November 2016 (EST)
They are colorful stars made of paint and they repaint areas that've had their pain stolen. the only difference is how big an area they repaint.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 20:49, 9 November 2016 (EST)
I agree with The RPG Gamer. It's like the difference between between a Star Block and a Pure Heart. Or a Comet Piece and a Royal Sticker. A Mini Paint Star is the goal at the end of a level, while a Big Paint Star is part of the goal for the overall game.
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 21:06, 9 November 2016 (EST)
More than that, though: the Big Paint Stars actually "talk" to Mario and Huey, also revealing the events that led to Prism Island losing its colors, which makes them charaters for all intents and purposes, not just end goals.--Mister Wu (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2016 (EST)

Preferred width for the sprites in infoboxes[edit]

Up until now, most of the sprites (not artwork) uploaded in the infobox for enemies in RPG games were small because the original sprites were small as well, since the highest rendering resolution was PAL's 720 × 576. Even when setting them to the original size, they occupied a small section of the infobox. However, in this case, for the first time we have sprites for a game having an higher resolution (possibly 1280 × 720, judging by the size of Draggadon's sprite), that in the case of the Koopalings led to these horizontal resolutions:

  • Morton: 313 px
  • Iggy: 291 px
  • Ludwig: 303 px
  • Wendy: 217 px
  • Larry: 242 px
  • Lemmy: 196 px
  • Roy: 325 px

Now, since 4 of them are below 300 pixels, and in general the maximum widths aren't dramatically large (i.e. there aren't sprites that are as wide as Draggadon's one), I think in the specific case of the Koopalings we could leave all of them to their native size to show the different relative sizes of each Koopaling in the game and because in this way we woould end up showing them as they actually are in the game, still the discussion is open, especially for all the other boss sprites that are even bigger (Petea Piranha, Big Spiny, Big Lava Bubble): what should be the target width for the infobox? Are there cases in which preserving the native size of the sprite is preferable with respect to a strict respect of width limits, e.g. to be more faithful to how the sprites are shown in the game?--Mister Wu (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2016 (EST)

What you're saying about size comparison makes sense, but the size of the sprites in this game is kind of excessive. Mostly, the huge images are distracting, particularly animated ones. What if we could come up with a percentage. That way we could still show the size differences of all the bosses, especially the Koopalings, but without the images being excessively large and distracting? It wouldn't be that hard. I could just pull up the calculator, find the images size and make it 25% or something.
Ultimate Mr L sig.png Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 23:54, 12 November 2016 (EST)
In the case of the Koopalings, even though I don't consider the full size to be that offensive (they effectively are used as images to show the character as they are in the game while being idle, people might actually be meant to look at them to know this at a first glance), 50% would already do a fine job (max width: 162 px in the case of Roy) without losing too much detail, still I think it would be nice to know what should be the guidelines to follow in general for intermediate size sprites like those we are finding in this game.--Mister Wu (talk) 08:36, 13 November 2016 (EST)

Ripping[edit]

Could someone with experience ripping sprites get the GUI from the this game?--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 03:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)

You could ask BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) or LeftyGreenMario (talk) because they're pretty good at ripping. Snario.jpg The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) Christmasmario.jpg 03:29, 13 November 2016 (EST)

Should we keep the bosses' enemy cards on the bestiary and the enemy templates?[edit]

I recently added to the bestiary the enemy cards of the Koopalings and Kamek, further adding a letter to the boxes of both the bestiary and the enemy templates to indicate that, after winning the battle, the cards aren't dropped directly by the enemies, but rather must be won at the Roshambo Temples. This addition has sparked a discussion with Eldritchdraaks (talk) because, while effectively the bosses' enemy cards cannot be obtained before winning the battle, they aren't directly dropped by the enemies after defeating them. Should we keep these bosses' enemy cards on the bestiary or should they be removed?--Mister Wu (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Please read our discussion thus far over on Mister Wu's talk page..--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 20:42, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Really though, you actually get those cards by beating the Rock Paper Wizards.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 11:08, 13 December 2016 (EST)
I thought that those cards should be included with the something that marks that they can't be obtained through the boss. But if you two can't agreed, I suggest you compromise on something. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 11:29, 13 December 2016 (EST)
That's why Mister Wu thought it'd be best to move the discussion here so others can give their input.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 11:41, 13 December 2016 (EST)
I am just suggesting you make a compromise if this idea doesn't work out. Yoshissm-animated walk.gif Yoshi the SSM (talk) 11:43, 13 December 2016 (EST)
The idea has just been implemented the way you suggest, you can see the "R" letter near the "Cards" word stating that the Cards are obtained in a Roshambo Temple instead of being directly dropped by the enemy (in which case a "D" is used). I also added the meaning of the letters both through the span and through the explanation at the top of the bestiary.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Just returning to this matter and I stand firm in my opinion; The Koopaling and Kamek cards should not be included on the bestiary because they are unrelated to the fight itself. The cards are not dropped by the enemy, and are instead won in a separate mini-game completely unrelated to the battle with the bosses. In the bestiary, ALL of the information within directly relates to the enemy during battle and the cards and paint they drop. Since as far as I can tell the coins dropped can't really be tracked, or it's just the same for all enemies (not sure), they are left out for now. Enemies such as Soggy Guy, Poison Blooper, Piranha Plant, Black Shy Guy, the Whistle Snifits, all the small/mega enemies and gangs, stacks, wheels, accordians, etc. all drop different cards than what they are, so if we want to include the Kamek and Koopaling cards, we'd have to remove the cards those other enemies drop, and then add the Black Bowser's Castle card to Black Bowser because "Hey, guess what! After You beat Black Bowser, you get that card! Well technically you beat him, escape the castle, then Huey turns the castle into a card and its not even directly won by beating Bowser, but who cares!" That was sarcasm btw. My point is clear: IF THE CARD IS NOT DROPPED BY THE ENEMY, IT DOES NOT BELONG ON THE BESTIARY. Information on obtaining every card is found on the Battle Cards page.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 14:04, 26 December 2016 (EST)
I brought this topic on the forum, and there too we agree on leaving the cards there (and we also want to congratulate with you for the awesome work on the bestiary, by the way). A good idea on how to proceed would also be adding a link to the respective Battle Cards on the images. However, there is a very important point you have about the dropped items: enemies don't only drop Enemy Cards, Coins, paint and hammer scraps, but also Basic Battle Cards; in the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door code there are indeed stats and tables about these kinds of items (with the obvious difference due to the items obtainable in that game), and they would be more than welcome in the Color Splash bestiary as well. Therefore, if we will manage to obtain these stats and tables from in-game data, if an enemy drops an unrelated enemy card, we might list it among the dropped cards instead, leaving only the actual enemy cards of the enemies in the current slots.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:39, 28 December 2016 (EST)

Fire Bro 8-Stack[edit]

Does anyone know where you can find Fire Bro 8-Stacks, or if they even exist, in the game? I have been trying to find out for Eldritchdraaks so that he can add them to his bestiary, but I cannot find any evidence to where they are found. --FlameChompNSMBW.pngTheFlameChomp (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2017 (EST)