Hmmm... I'm not opposed to splitting into sub-series, the definition of sub-series is "a series that is part of a larger series." So, we could still have sub-series articles. We wouldn't be saying that ''[[Super Mario 64]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'' aren't part of the same series, they are. But I do get some of the reasoning used by the opposition. Redundancy would be a problem, as would criteria, though we would need a limit to how many games can constitute a series of sub-series, though ''[[Super Mario Land|Super]] [[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins|Mario]] [[Wario Land (series)|Land]]'' could be a ''[[Super Mario Advance (series)|Super Mario Advance]]''-esque situation, because of the ''[[Wario Land (series)|Wario Land series]]''. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 08:58, March 4, 2024 (CST)
Hmmm... I'm not opposed to splitting into sub-series, the definition of sub-series is "a series that is part of a larger series." So, we could still have sub-series articles. We wouldn't be saying that ''[[Super Mario 64]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'' aren't part of the same series, they are. But I do get some of the reasoning used by the opposition. Redundancy would be a problem, as would criteria, though we would need a limit to how many games can constitute a series of sub-series, though ''[[Super Mario Land|Super]] [[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins|Mario]] [[Wario Land (series)|Land]]'' could be a ''[[Super Mario Advance (series)|Super Mario Advance]]''-esque situation, because of the ''[[Wario Land (series)|Wario Land series]]''. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 08:58, March 4, 2024 (CST)
:The Super Mario Land series used to have its own article that got merged by [[Talk:Super Mario Land (series)#Merge to the main series page|this proposal]]. We do have a page for [[Mario + Rabbids (series)|Mario + Rabbids]] despite only having two games, so it could get arbitrary if we do decide on the number of games a series would need for it to have a page. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 10:13, March 4, 2024 (EST)
:The Super Mario Land series used to have its own article that got merged by [[Talk:Super Mario Land (series)#Merge to the main series page|this proposal]]. We do have a page for [[Mario + Rabbids (series)|Mario + Rabbids]] despite only having two games, so it could get arbitrary if we do decide on the number of games a series would need for it to have a page. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 10:13, March 4, 2024 (EST)
::Ok, you have a point. *Makes mental note to make proposal on April 4th* {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 07:23, March 5, 2024 (CST)
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Consider Beanies and Octoombas to be related to Goombas rather than direct variants of them (for consistency with Galoomba et al.) (discuss) Deadline: May 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Split "Baby Fat" from Baby Yoshi (discuss) Deadline: May 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
In Template:Species infobox, expand "Relatives" guidelines to include variant-type relationships with significant differences between species (discuss) Deadline: May 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Split game series articles into sub-series articles
My proposal to move the Super Mario series article to the name of the Super Mario Bros. series has been declined last year, so I had to make a follow-up proposal after five months since the last proposal was declined.
Tails777 (talk) While I did support the idea of the New Super Mario Bros. series getting it's own sub-series article, I can understand why it isn't. And if that series can't get a sub-series article, I fail to see how the Super Mario Galaxy games can. They're all apart of the same overall series so I don't see why we need to divide things up further.
Hewer (talk) I previously supported New Super Mario Bros. getting an article because I thought it would be the most eligible sub-series at four(ish) entries. But since then, Super Mario Land had its article merged, and now that we have all these sub-series merged (Super Mario Advance gets to stay the only exception since it covers Yoshi's Island as well), I feel like this is a much better choice for organisation when they're all just part of one series, splitting them all out would feel messy and redundant. It also calls into question the criteria for splitting sub-series - if Mario Galaxy is eligible, why not "Super Mario 3D" which also has two games? Or the aforementioned New Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Land? Better to avoid the headache and stay consistent by merging all of them.
Nightwicked Bowser (talk) I may support splitting just Super Mario Bros. since with Wonder it's been given further distinction from the 3D games as a series, however if supporting that here means splitting Galaxy and Maker as well, then I'm gonna have to oppose per all.
Camwoodstock (talk) Per Nightwicked Bowser. Splitting the Maker and Galaxy games in specific when they are strictly duologies is especially overkill to us.
Nintendo101 (talk) Per Nightwicked Bowser and Doc von Schmeltwick. Maybe individual "subseries" articles could be raised alongside the main series article, but not at the expense of breaking up the understanding of this as a discrete series of platform games. Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Maker, and New Super Mario Bros. 2 are all part of the mainline Super Mario series and it artificially dilutes their cohesion by suggesting they are unrelated to one another.
Archivist Toadette (talk) This is just too vague on all fronts. What does and doesn't classify as a subseries? That's the question that must be answered before any discussion can happen. Per all.
ExoRosalina (talk) Per all, and yeah it will be unquestionable.
Comments
This should really be either a case-by-case or have multiple options rather than all-at-once or none at all. Nightwicked Bowser 19:16, February 29, 2024 (EST)
Indeed. I have draft pages with empty tables for Super Mario Bros. series (including the NSMB games) and Super Mario 3D series (including the SMG games), but I think it needs more thought and discussion rather than trying to rush it through without any prior planning. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:22, February 29, 2024 (EST)
This proposal has now been updated to not split the Galaxy and Maker games into a subseries, however there's still the matter of Super Mario Bros and the Mario Kart Arcade games both being split if the proposal is supported with no one-or-the-other. These especially should be entirely seperate cases. Nightwicked Bowser 11:26, March 1, 2024 (EST)
I think this changes the scope of the original proposal too much. I would not have changed it. But I fail to understand the rationale of this new one anyways. Why Super Mario Bros. (sub-series)? Why not Super Mario Bros. (series)? Why change the name in the first place? - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:32, March 1, 2024 (EST)
Hmmm... I'm not opposed to splitting into sub-series, the definition of sub-series is "a series that is part of a larger series." So, we could still have sub-series articles. We wouldn't be saying that Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Bros. Wonder aren't part of the same series, they are. But I do get some of the reasoning used by the opposition. Redundancy would be a problem, as would criteria, though we would need a limit to how many games can constitute a series of sub-series, though SuperMarioLand could be a Super Mario Advance-esque situation, because of the Wario Land series. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:58, March 4, 2024 (CST)
The Super Mario Land series used to have its own article that got merged by this proposal. We do have a page for Mario + Rabbids despite only having two games, so it could get arbitrary if we do decide on the number of games a series would need for it to have a page. Nightwicked Bowser 10:13, March 4, 2024 (EST)
Ok, you have a point. *Makes mental note to make proposal on April 4th* SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 07:23, March 5, 2024 (CST)
Decide what to move Super Mario Galaxy 2 worlds to
The worlds in Super Mario Galaxy 2 have names, but each article for the six main worlds is named "World <#> (Super Mario Galaxy 2)" while the article for the special world is called "World S". The good news is I was wondering if there's a possibility to decide what to rename the worlds. There are four options to choose from:
Option 1
Create the {{suffixed title}}, {{SMG2 world}}, {{SMG2 world-link}}, and {{SMG2 world title}} templates (the {{suffixed title}} template works like {{prefixed title}}, with the small text being placed after the first parameter, while the {{SMG2 world}}, {{SMG2 world-link}}, and {{SMG2 world title}} work like {{classic}}, {{classic-link}}, and {{classic title}} respectively, with the skeleton being "World <#>: <small><name></small> and the example being World 1: The Great Space Journey Begins) and move the following pages to the world number and name:
Nightwicked Bowser (talk) These names are only displayed on the save file and are not shown while playing the game itself. Even if you go to a different world and save the game, the name on the save file doesn't change and is still the name of the world you should be on. Then there's the fact that when doing the green stars, the save file name is "the green star challenge is on" and when the game is completed 100% the name is "master of galaxies".
YoYo (talk) the names you've assigned to each world are actually the names for the "chapters" in the game's progression, not the names for the worlds themselves. it would be like naming each kingdom from Super Mario Odyssey's page after their first moon.
Nintendo101 (talk) These are not the names of the worlds. They are subtitles provided to the player for narrative context.
Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, especially Nightwicked Bowser and Yoyo. These don't seem to be the worlds' actual names, just a status on the save menu. There's definitely a better way to convey this information about the save menu descriptions than to clumsily bake them into the world pages' names!
Nightwicked Bowser 
19:16, February 29, 2024 (EST)
