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'''Proposer''': {{User|Trig Jegman}} | |||
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'''Deadline''': March 1, 2020, 23:59 GMT | |||
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#{{User|Trig Jegman}} Per proposal | |||
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Supermariofan67}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Agreed. | |||
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all. | |||
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Revision as of 20:08, March 1, 2020
OK Boomer (Move Boomer (Super Paper Mario) to Boomer (Pixl)?)withdrawn by the proprietor (see comment) However, this would create a minor secondary discrepancy with the other two Boomer pages, both of which are using game identifiers. Should both of these pages be moved to be more specific to their pages, such as Boomer (boss) and Boomer (bear), as well as Boomer (Pixl)? Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk) Move Boomer (Super Paper Mario) to Boomer (Pixl) only
Move all three Boomer pages to be more specificWhile I suggest Boomer (boss) and Boomer (bear), these could be discussed further Do nothing
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The "thing" in this case is character. If character can't be used, then you move to #2, which is game. Slim is forced to go to #4 since game can't be used, while Boomer can safely stay at #2 and use game. That the two Pixls end up in different places is simply a result of them needing to differentiate from different things (Slim (Flopside) forces it). I understand it can be considered annoying, but whether or not they match is really neither here nor there - they are each a different case with different needs. As you said, if you do the move then these three links are inconsistent since one wouldn't use game (and there is no reason for it not to use game since they are all from different games). So basically you want to open up the character identifier to get more specific before moving to game (as it used to be). This gets into its own weird problems of what should be used, and having some awkward identifiers. I think going to the game name sooner avoids that awkwardness in the most objective way possible. If you tally up the amount of "problems" with each system, I'll take the current Pixl "mismatch" and a bunch of objective game identifiers versus a ton of human/flower/whatever identifiers. The Slim (Pixl) case is a direct result of Nintendo using the same character name twice within one game and rightfully should be the one awkward situation because that is a confusing thing to do. Opening up custom character identifiers before moving to game creates awkward cases which are completely the wiki's doing, and we should try keep our hands clean and minimize any impact. No matter what system we land on there will be weird cases to deal with. I think the current system minimizes the damage and is the "least bad" option, and I don't want to keep changing things around. So I'll veto --Steve (talk) 20:56, December 30, 2019 (EST) Compile Play Nintendo puzzle activities in a single pageMERGE PUZZLES 7-0 I therefore propose that we make a list of Play Nintendo puzzles where we compile every single one of them, with the following layout for the table:
A few notes:
If the proposal passes, any puzzles that already have their own pages will be merged in a List of Play Nintendo puzzles. I was planning on organizing the other activities similarly, since the current list on the Play Nintendo page doesn't have much of a rhyme or reason. If the proposal is unsuccessful, then the jigsaw puzzles will continue to have their own pages like the rest of the Play Nintendo activities. Proposer: Bye Guy (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsRemove tenseDELETE TEMPLATE 17-0 Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk) Deadline: Feb 18, 2020, 23:59 GMT Support (Delete the template)
Oppose (Keep the template)CommentsActually, it's on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, too. But I still don't see a use for it. Scrooge200 (talk) 00:31, February 12, 2020 (EST) New Template:Gamma Imagecreate template 6-0 The purpose of the proposal is to make this unspoken policy a spoken policy. People should know when an image has a special property and should be treated differently. The following template, {{Gamma-Brightening}}, would be placed on the documented images with gamma brightening: This image contains gamma brightening, and should not be optimized. <div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#BF5FFF;margin:0.675em 2% 1.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black"> '''This image contains ''[[User:Trig Jegman#What's Gamma Brightening?|gamma brightening]]'', and should not be optimized.''' </div><includeonly>[[Category:Gamma Image|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly><noinclude> Such images seen thus far is:
It would also be suggested, but not required, to create a MarioWiki page discussing gamma brightening over using a section on my user page. Comparison image: Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk) Deadline: Feb 19, 2020, 23:59 GMT Support (Create template)
Oppose (Do not create template)CommentsI mentioned you could simply say this information in the aboutfile template. Because of that, I don't see a need for this template, as it would only really apply to a handfull of images. But I'll remain neutral, as I'm not directly opposed to it, either. 11:21, February 12, 2020 (EST) Not sure what to think of this yet, but I think the purple should be a lighter color to make the text more readable. --DeepFriedCabbage 14:46, February 13, 2020 (EST) demonstration; original demonstration; option 1 demonstration; option 2 It seems that "original" does not necessarily equal "accurate" in all cases. Take File:Luigi - New Super Mario Bros U.png for example. Note that the optimized version contains a darker green and the gamma ("original") version contains a lighter green. Then look at File:NSMBU FourCharacters.png from the same game, where the opposite is true. Therefore, it seems that there are some images where gamma correction produces an accurate image, and other images where gamma correction produces an inaccurate image. Given this, I think we can't say that gamma should always or never be removed, since it depends on the image. How do we determine when the original is accurate, and when the optimized version is accurate? A side note: it is possible to keep certain metadata, such as the gamma chunk or embedded ICC profiles, while still optimizing the image, such as by passing the We could modify the template/proposed policy to consider this. Maybe something like: This image contains gamma brightening, and should not be optimized without preserving iCCP metadata. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 14:31, February 16, 2020 (EST)
@Trig Jegman, @Mister Wu, I made a quick (still incomplete) draft of a page that could describe the technical parts of color-correction metadata and how to safely optimize these images in my sandbox. There are still a few missing details I haven't figured out yet, and anyone is encouraged to add to it or take details from it to make something else (we don't have to use it of course, I don't know if all of the information is relevant/important to include). Additionally, while it might be nitpicky, I think it might be a good idea to refer to the metadata as "color-correction metadata" rather than "gamma brightening," since technically gamma is only one type of color-correction metadata and iCCP seems to be the most common from the images I've tested. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 18:24, February 19, 2020 (EST)
This image has color changing metadata and should not be optimized. Delete Template:No licenseImages should have licenses. That's how copyright law works! It's critically important that if we have an image on the site, then we use some form of copyright with it. Sometimes, the uploader doesn't know how to tag it. If they don't they can use {{don't know}} and Category:Uploader unsure of copyright status (which has a fairly large number of items in it, by the way) and request another user that knows how to categorize the image to indicate it. This template, however, does not make sense to have. Simply put, if we the collective don't know the copyright status of an image, we do not keep that image. Its so rare that one cannot be categorized anyway, but should an image be so uncertain that multiple people cannot determine its status, it will err towards safety and not use said image. In short, delete this template and its category because the image that would be tagged with this would be deleted anyway. Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk) Deadline: March 1, 2020, 23:59 GMT Support (delete it)
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