Talk:Tox Box

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So, are these things alive? Binks 22:33, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

They're animate. — Stooben Rooben 22:41, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Are the Thwomp versions officially named Tox Boxes? If so, no problem. If not, we may want to consider splitting the article into a new page, even if it has a conjectural name. -- Son of Suns (talk) P.S. "Thwomp Box"...perhaps?

Thwomp versions? The Super Mario Galaxy Boxes are the same as the SM64 boxes. Just updated to have a more distinct look. I don't have sources for that statement though. GG445 "...?" 17:24, 6 January 2013 (EST)

"Their name may be intended to sound like 'Toy Box'"? What significance does this "trivia" entry have? I know people commonly mistake "Tox Box" for "Toy Box" upon first reading it, but if these things are toy boxes, they belong in Yume Nikki or some other surreal game of the sort. This item of trivia has no support or relevance to me, so should it be removed? User:8BrickMario

Potential replacement?

I'm not actually suggesting a split, but isn't the SMG one a replacement of the original one? Yes, i know that some returning enemies are off-model, but the two don't even look similar. Well, for the Bomp, it is not drastic either, as the Throwback Galaxy uses it as the Pushy Walls. -- FanOfYoshi at 12:28, 28 February 2019 (EST)

The design was replaced, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the trivia previously suggesting that the enemy itself was replaced. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2019 (EST)

Regarding the Bomp, it does look similar, and like i said, the Throwback Galaxy (which is based on Bob Omb Battlefield) used them as the Pushy Walls, so they can stay merged. (perhaps asking to Nintendo would settle thing, but i think it is a dumb idea) -- FanOfYoshi at 13:23, 28 February 2019 (EST)

What do the Prima guides say about them? -- FanOfYoshi at 13:31, 28 February 2019 (EST)

They are called Tox Boxes in the SMG2 Prima guide. TheDarkStar (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2019 (EST)

Also called Tox Boxes on the SMG collector's card for them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2019 (EST)

As the SMG and SMG2 Tox Boxes are called Tox Boxes they are definitely the same enemies as the Tox Boxes in SM64, they just got redesigned. (Them having different names in different game sections in the Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook is most likely an error due to their different designs, as the Tox Boxes in both games act the same). Doomhiker (talk) 14:29, 28 February 2019 (EST)

That said, I do wonder which version was used by Shigeru Miyamoto in that interview (it could even have been the nondescript "Onimasu"). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:36, 28 February 2019 (EST)

@Doomhiker Not necessarily, remember the situation with Tweester. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2019 (EST)

@Doc von Schmeltwick True, however one of the main reasons the Tweesters were split is because they had different functions, while these Tox Boxes act exactly the same. Doomhiker (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2019 (EST)

Not "exactly," but admittedly much more similar than the Tweesters. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2019 (EST)

I've found a scan of two Super Mario Pia pages, and which supports them being separate enemies, note how it doesn't list it in SM64, while they are only listed in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2, supporting them being different enemies, and that the Super Mario Galaxy ones are used as replacement, so this might be a factor for splitting. I considered to ask to Mister Wu, but eventually found scans. I might ask Mister Wu something else for the Pia. -- FanOfYoshi at 11:39, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Also, it's for the same reason we have Rhomp split from Spindel. -- FanOfYoshi at 07:36, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Asked to Mister Wu for the Bomps as well. Onimasukun isn' mentioned. Exactly the same case for Bomp. It might indicate that the Throwback Galaxy used them as a replacement rather than a redesign (unlike Spiked Fun Guy which has the same Japanese name as Pokey). -- FanOfYoshi at 02:03, 4 March 2019 (EST)

He also specifically told you that due to many similar cases (namely the "big" enemies), that the author was very likely just given the current names to work with without Nintendo giving knowledge of name changes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:35, 4 March 2019 (EST)

Like i said, they look nothing alike. The Urchins do have a different appearance and Japanese name in this game, but it is not drastic either. The two Tox Boxes don't even look similar. -- FanOfYoshi at 14:30, March 12, 2019 (EDT)

Do they even look similar? -- FanOfYoshi at 14:30, March 13, 2019 (EDT)

There are some one-off similarities, at least if you're observant enough to spot them. ^(T|C) 15:22, March 13, 2019 (EDT)

The only similarity between the two is that they are boxes with faces on each side within one Mario can go in. Otherwise, they don't even look similar. -- FanOfYoshi at 03:59, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

They act the same, though, aside from the latter one doing a slight hop before backtracking. They seem to be more a comprehensive redesign with a slight name change to have theme naming with Thwomp than a true "replacement." Besides, "they look nothing alike" isn't an outstanding argument by itself when there are some very odd redesigns in the franchise. Just look at what Thwomp, Cheep Cheep, and Pokey have been through, to say nothing of the Sunshine versions of enemies in general. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:33, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

I wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. About that and Bomps. -- FanOfYoshi at 08:21, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, admittedly, there are pretty odd redesign in the series. (i will however note that some depiction of one and the same enemy, Chain Chomp, is in some games depicted without a chain, where it is called Chomp. Also, given the Japanese name, it makes the Flutter just considered to be the base Wiggler with just wings in Japan) -- FanOfYoshi at 13:18, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Please don't topic change. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:20, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Actually, i'm not trying to be off-topic, you actually mentioned the odd redesigns in the series. -- FanOfYoshi at 13:21, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

That's more a temporary retool, as there are significant behavioral differences as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, i guess you're right. Still, i wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. -- FanOfYoshi at 07:34, March 19, 2019 (EDT)

In fairness, the mistakes in Super Mario Pia tend to be in the list of appearances, not in entirely splitting enemy entries. They were competent enough to detect at least one name change. Although if the article splits, then we need to find out which Tox Box is applicable to Miyamoto's quote. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:02, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

I think it is that Nintendo wanted to make them look like their SMG counterpart but... there is just so much you could do back then! [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits) 17:31, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Another way to die from a Tox Box in SMG

In SMG (Idk if that's present in SMG2), you can instantly die if you go on top of a Tox Box: https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/693037465832947712/in-super-mario-galaxy-the-code-that-determines-if Should that be added in Super Mario Galaxy along with a reference link?ToadMushroom823 (talk)

Seems like you have to be on top of it during a particular animation. I assume from the image is that you have to be on top while the Tox Box hops? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:44, April 19, 2023 (EDT)

Split

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Current time: Saturday, November 1, 2025, 18:03 GMT

These guys are pretty clearly supposed to be different in SMG, SMG2 and MP: IT given that they look like Thwomps and the Japanese Super Mario Bros Encyclopedia calls them Onimasudon whilst calling the SM64 version Onimasukun. As such, we should split.

Proposer: PrincessPeachFan (talk)
Deadline: November 13, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Split 'em up (Support, Option 1)

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per proposal. Different looks and Japanese names seal the deal for me.
2. Sorbetti (talk) I must say that at first I wasn't convinced by the arguments of the proposal, however, after a little research and the discussion in the comments, I'm convinced. From Nintendo's perspective, there does seem to be a distinction between the two enemies. First, the name differences have been maintained up to the present day in Mario Portal, and that's important to keep in mind. Also, as Linkthelefty mentioned, it seems the Tox Boxes that Miyamoto refers are those from Mario 64, while those from Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Island Tour are a different iteration based on Thwomps, as can be seen in the Japanese names of both. The iron Tox Box is Onimasukun, ending with the honorific suffix「~くん」(-kun), while the Thwomp Tox Box is Onimasudon, ending with「ドン」(don, "thud"), in reference to「ドッスン」(Dossun, "Thwomp"). I believe, and it's obvious, that the Tox Box in Super Mario Galaxy and Island Tour are based on the ones from 64, but they also implement elements related to Thwomps. I think this split benefits the page by eliminating things like "Tox Boxes are metal or stone boxes" "Tox Boxes, taking on their Super Mario Galaxy design," "These redesigned boxes usually" and "Unlike the Tox Boxes in Super Mario 64." Both iterations of Tox Boxes have distinct designs and names, and are generally different except for their behavior. Both have enough information and history sections to warrant their own pages, thus avoiding these strange writing styles. As Altendo mentioned in his comment below, this is comparable to Galoomba/Goomba from Super Mario World. I would also support spliting the Bomp information from Mario 64 into its own page, since although Bomps are clearly based on these things, they are distinct, as demonstrated in the encyclopedia, and we should handle it the same way we don't include the blue Goombas infor on the Gloomba page.
3. Blinker (talk) Goombas and Goombos act exactly the same and look nearly identical, but we have no problem considering separate enemies, so I don't understand why the Tox Boxes are such a complicated case. Well, okay, I do, it's because they were given the same English name, but I don't find that a very compelling argument. If they look completely different and are given different names to match, there's probably a reason, and unlike Micro Mecha-Bowser, that reason isn't "Oops, we already had a boss of the same name in the previous game".

Slam Down (Oppose, Option 2)

1. Ihavenoideaboyo (talk) Mario enemies go through bizarre and baffling redesigns all the time. The Japanese names strike me more as either different variations on the same species (that was lost in localization) or just Nintendo being flaky and changing the name of their own enemy slightly between games.
2. Altendo (talk) Per IHNIB. This is similar to the Bomp, which also got a major redesign in Galaxy that has been used since.
3. Mario (talk) Per. Literally every piece of information calls these Tox Boxes and it was followed through. Unlike Micro Mecha-Bowser, these have reappeared in a Mario Party game, in Hide 'n' Splat and they were given "Tox Box" unambiguously in English and every other language (which several foreign names actually changed to Tox Box at least according to some sticker collection...). I note that, in the files, the file name is reduced to a prefix "Onimasu", which is shared between Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario Galaxy so this entire split hinges on a slightly different Japanese name while every other piece of evidence we have point to these being the same enemy.
4. Arend (talk) Per all.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Ihavenoideaboyo and Altendo. Considering Bomp is merged, either both of these should be split up, or Tox Box should stay merged.
6. Tox Ba-x (talk) hinges on a minor japanese name change in an out-of-way portal shit, i don't see the use of basing the split entirely off of that when localized names for every other region have been consistent. im also basing this entirely off an organizational stand-point, i think it's stupid that readers need to read through two different articles for basically the same thing
7. LinkTheLefty (talk) I think there's a stronger case to reassess Bomp (or even these games' Thwomps).
8. Nintendo101 (talk) I don't think they have become ontologically different subjects. I think they were just reconceptualized as being closer to Thwomps to more clearly communicate how they behave (i.e., the big stone enemies crush Mario).
9. LadySophie17 (talk) Redesign and minor name change.
10. Martendo (talk) Per Ihavenoideaboyo.

Comments (Tox Box Thoughts)

Addressing my old point above: the Miyamoto interview links to a video for the Tox Box in question. This doesn't seem to have been added retroactively to the article, so I'm not sure how I or someone else didn't notice this before. If the proposal passes, it can go to the Super Mario 64/DS subject. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:10, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

@Altendo: While Bomps did get a major redesign, like the Tox Boxes, they also have different Japanese names which is not only used by the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia but also by the Mario Portal. To me, this indicates that Nintendo sees them as different objects that just happen to have the same function. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:56, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

Interesting. I might support a split if Bomps should be split as well. After all, this seems like a similar case to Goombas from Super Mario World. Altendo 09:33, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

@Mario "this entire split hinges on a slightly different Japanese name" No? It hinges on a drastically different design, and a rename that reflects that. That's more than Goombo gets. Blinker (talk) 19:18, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

Enemies having drastically different designs over the years is nothing new. Look at Thwomp in Mario 64, or Rocky Wrench in NSMBWii (this is also one reason I think "Snufit" was never intended to be a separate entity from Snifit until 64 DS). rend (talk) (edits) 22:41, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

As the first oppose vote stated, there was a redesign for an old enemy, and the Japanese name was slightly altered to reflect this. I don't believe supporting Goombo split and keeping Tox Box Galaxy version merged with Tox Box 64 are even close to having two mutually exclusive positions given that Goombo is a one-off design with its own name and doesn't have more games or foreign languages that call it "Goomba". It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:41, November 1, 2025 (EDT)

Sorbetti, according to the Tox Box trading card, the Galaxy design is made from metal in the same way the original design is made from metal. Our article on Tox Box is phrased incorrectly. Salmancer (talk) 21:51, October 31, 2025 (EDT)