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===Split Nintendo 2DS from Nintendo 3DS=== | ===Split Nintendo 2DS from Nintendo 3DS=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-10|Don't split}} | |||
It's not the same console right? The Nintendo 2DS should have it's own article because it's a video game console. | It's not the same console right? The Nintendo 2DS should have it's own article because it's a video game console. | ||
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===Create writing guideline for reception and sales sections=== | ===Create writing guideline for reception and sales sections=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|12-0|create guideline}} | |||
:'''''Draft:''' [[User:Glowsquid/Brain Palace]]'' | :'''''Draft:''' [[User:Glowsquid/Brain Palace]]'' | ||
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===Remove coverage of "cameo" puzzle games=== | ===Remove coverage of "cameo" puzzle games=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-1|remove}} | |||
The wiki includes several pages on random puzzle games (''[[Alleyway]]'', ''[[Art Style: PiCTOBiTS]]'', ''[[Tetris DS]]''... etc) which feature ''Mario''-themed puzzles and cameos from the franchise. We do not feel these games are worthy of their own page. | The wiki includes several pages on random puzzle games (''[[Alleyway]]'', ''[[Art Style: PiCTOBiTS]]'', ''[[Tetris DS]]''... etc) which feature ''Mario''-themed puzzles and cameos from the franchise. We do not feel these games are worthy of their own page. | ||
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===Allow Featuring and Unfeaturing nominations to fail before the deadline=== | ===Allow Featuring and Unfeaturing nominations to fail before the deadline=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|6-0|allow}} | |||
I think that if an oppose comes up for why the nomination should fail, and the problem is not fixed, or a counter-argument is bought up against the oppose in a way that it cannot then be countered within 1 week the nomination should fail. This is so silly nominations like [[MarioWiki:Featured Articles/Unfeature/N/Kirby]] can fail before the deadline and the article isn't left with an UNFA template when it doesn't deserve it. Under this new system nominations like this can fail long before they should. For the FA system if the flaw is something that cannot be fixed i.e. size, then it should fail after the timeframe. | I think that if an oppose comes up for why the nomination should fail, and the problem is not fixed, or a counter-argument is bought up against the oppose in a way that it cannot then be countered within 1 week the nomination should fail. This is so silly nominations like [[MarioWiki:Featured Articles/Unfeature/N/Kirby]] can fail before the deadline and the article isn't left with an UNFA template when it doesn't deserve it. Under this new system nominations like this can fail long before they should. For the FA system if the flaw is something that cannot be fixed i.e. size, then it should fail after the timeframe. | ||
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===Ditch "Full Names" when appropriate=== | ===Ditch "Full Names" when appropriate=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-0}} | |||
Usually, when you get to the "Full Name" part, you see a totally unconfirmed, made-up full name. We only need confirmed things, not speculations and ideas. | Usually, when you get to the "Full Name" part, you see a totally unconfirmed, made-up full name. We only need confirmed things, not speculations and ideas. | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
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===Merge ''Dream Team'' enemies' articles with their "R" version=== | ===Merge ''Dream Team'' enemies' articles with their "R" version=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|6-11}} | |||
Looking at the ''[[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]]'' enemy articles, I have noticed that the page content of the "original" enemies and the "R" versions of the same enemy are almost identical. What I suggest is to merge the two pages together, not only for the reason that I stated, but also because they have identical behavior, attacks, and appearance, except that they have a color change, exactly like EX versions, which do not have their own page. (See [[Flibbee]] and [[Flibbee R]] to see what I mean, or [[Monolift]] and [[Monolift R]]) | Looking at the ''[[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]]'' enemy articles, I have noticed that the page content of the "original" enemies and the "R" versions of the same enemy are almost identical. What I suggest is to merge the two pages together, not only for the reason that I stated, but also because they have identical behavior, attacks, and appearance, except that they have a color change, exactly like EX versions, which do not have their own page. (See [[Flibbee]] and [[Flibbee R]] to see what I mean, or [[Monolift]] and [[Monolift R]]) | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} I'm gonna have to oppose this one. These types of enemies are stronger variations of previous enemies and they are classified as different enemies, not the same ones. Bringing in [[Talk: | #{{User|Tails777}} I'm gonna have to oppose this one. These types of enemies are stronger variations of previous enemies and they are classified as different enemies, not the same ones. Bringing in [[Talk:Bowser's Big Blast|this proposal]], we split the 2 minigames because they were classified as different minigames, despite having the same rules and essentially being the same minigame. Enemies should be no different. If anything, we should split the X Bosses because they have a slightly different appearance and are all around stronger. | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - I've been mulling it over for the past few days, and I'm gonna have to oppose as well. If a variant of an enemy is stronger and has different colours and a different name, saying "well the name's only different by one letter" actually is a bit arbitrary, and opens the door to merges like the [[Behemoth]] / [[Behemoth King]] thing being asked about in the comments. It's a slippery slope, and it'd be much more straightforward and consistent to simply split the articles that have been merged thus far and keep it like that. Plus, it'll make navigation more transparent than burying the extra enemies in other pages, which improves the ease of both reading and searching for those enemies. | #{{User|Walkazo}} - I've been mulling it over for the past few days, and I'm gonna have to oppose as well. If a variant of an enemy is stronger and has different colours and a different name, saying "well the name's only different by one letter" actually is a bit arbitrary, and opens the door to merges like the [[Behemoth]] / [[Behemoth King]] thing being asked about in the comments. It's a slippery slope, and it'd be much more straightforward and consistent to simply split the articles that have been merged thus far and keep it like that. Plus, it'll make navigation more transparent than burying the extra enemies in other pages, which improves the ease of both reading and searching for those enemies. | ||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per both. | #{{User|Yoshi876}} Per both. | ||
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===Change all Mario power-up transformations from "Mario" to "Form"=== | ===Change all Mario power-up transformations from "Mario" to "Form"=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
Let me explain (as an example): rename [[Fire Mario]] to {{fake link|Fire Form}} | |||
Let me explain (as an example): rename [[Fire Mario]] to {{ | |||
Nintendo has lately stop restricting the use of items to only Mario and Luigi and have allowed other characters, Peach and Red Toad for example, to use them to the exact same effect and use. | Nintendo has lately stop restricting the use of items to only Mario and Luigi and have allowed other characters, Peach and Red Toad for example, to use them to the exact same effect and use. | ||
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'''Proposer''': {{User|Zero777}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Zero777}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': December 27, 2013, 23:59 GMT | '''Proposed Deadline''': December 27, 2013, 23:59 GMT<br> | ||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' December 22, 2013, 22:41 GMT | |||
====Change It==== | ====Change It==== | ||
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===Allow Removal of Support/Oppose in Proposals=== | ===Allow Removal of Support/Oppose in Proposals=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-12|don't allow}} | |||
This is in Featured Articles, so why not Proposals? I've seen silly votes on proposals before. | This is in Featured Articles, so why not Proposals? I've seen silly votes on proposals before. | ||
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===Have "Title reference" in the infobox for ''Mario Party'' minigames=== | ===Have "Title reference" in the infobox for ''Mario Party'' minigames=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
As you may know, most [[minigame]]s from the ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' series have puns, wordplays or references for their titles, and these are mentioned right on the article. However, the sentence "The name is a pun on..." or similar things are very repetitive, and more like trivia. But instead of asking it to be moved to trivia sections, I think it would be better to have a "Title reference" area in the [[:Template:Minigame infobox|minigame infobox]], like [[Template:SMBSS episode infobox|''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' episode infobox]] does. Yes, if we do this we cannot write the meaning of the original term, but the Super Mario Wiki is not a place for learning non-''Mario'' or video game-related terms, and it can be easily found on the internet (if it has a Wikipedia article, we can still link it to there). | |||
As you may know, most [[minigame]]s from the ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' series have puns, wordplays or references for their titles, and these are mentioned right on the article. However, the sentence "The name is a pun on..." or similar things are very repetitive, and more like trivia. But instead of asking it to be moved to trivia sections, I think it would be better to have a "Title reference" area in the [[:Template:Minigame | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|MegaKoopa}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|MegaKoopa}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': December 29, 2013, 23:59 GMT | '''Proposed Deadline''': December 29, 2013, 23:59 GMT<br> | ||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' December 27, 2013, 00:45 GMT | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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:<nowiki>*</nowiki>''her'' oppose. Also, the excess of obvious name explanations is bad enough, we'd hardly need it in the infoboxes ''and'' the body text, and I fear that having some explanations in one or the other and some boxes left blank without body text info will all just seem woefully inconsistent. As for what should or shouldn't be explained, that can always be decided in the talk pages if there's any disagreement. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :<nowiki>*</nowiki>''her'' oppose. Also, the excess of obvious name explanations is bad enough, we'd hardly need it in the infoboxes ''and'' the body text, and I fear that having some explanations in one or the other and some boxes left blank without body text info will all just seem woefully inconsistent. As for what should or shouldn't be explained, that can always be decided in the talk pages if there's any disagreement. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Isn't there a way to have the cell in the infobox not appear if the parameter is left blank? {{User|LeftyGreenMario}} | ::Isn't there a way to have the cell in the infobox not appear if the parameter is left blank? {{User|LeftyGreenMario}} | ||
:::Yeah, with <nowiki>{{{if}}}</nowiki> stuff, like [[Template: | :::Yeah, with <nowiki>{{{if}}}</nowiki> stuff, like [[Template:SMG boss infobox|here]], afaik. But even so, that wouldn't hide the fact that some infoboxes would have explanations while others wouldn't. Plus, optional lines screw up alternating-bg-colour schemes and the more they can be avoided, the better. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Aye, my mistake, sorry about that. Regarding consistency: do we give the expressions in every infobox at least, and add more details in the body for the less obvious ones, or did you have.something entirely different in mind? {{User|Lord Grammaticus}} | ::Aye, my mistake, sorry about that. Regarding consistency: do we give the expressions in every infobox at least, and add more details in the body for the less obvious ones, or did you have.something entirely different in mind? {{User|Lord Grammaticus}} | ||
:::I think ''just'' having the explanations in the body text would be ideal. Anyway, the proposer MegaKoopa [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Walkazo&oldid=1597051&diff=cur has asked me on my talk page] to delete the proposal, so archiving now. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :::I think ''just'' having the explanations in the body text would be ideal. Anyway, the proposer MegaKoopa [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Walkazo&oldid=1597051&diff=cur has asked me on my talk page] to delete the proposal, so archiving now. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Create disambiguation pages for New Super Mario/Luigi (Bros.) U levels=== | ===Create disambiguation pages for New Super Mario/Luigi (Bros.) U levels=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|6-0|create the pages}} | |||
Looking at, for example [[Sparkling Waters]], we can see that for example two "Sparkling Waters-1" exist: [[Waterspout Beach]], and [[Huckit Beach Resort]]. I propose to make a disambiguation page showing both levels in both games. | Looking at, for example [[Sparkling Waters]], we can see that for example two "Sparkling Waters-1" exist: [[Waterspout Beach]], and [[Huckit Beach Resort]]. I propose to make a disambiguation page showing both levels in both games. | ||
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===Change Record Book References section on the page "List of Mario References in Publications" to a page called List of Mario-related world records=== | ===Change Record Book References section on the page "List of Mario References in Publications" to a page called List of Mario-related world records=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-5|don't split}} | |||
Mentions from World Record books would be contained on that page rather than the other one. | Mentions from World Record books would be contained on that page rather than the other one. | ||
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:::Actually, I did not know. Thanks for telling me. {{User|John G}} | :::Actually, I did not know. Thanks for telling me. {{User|John G}} | ||
::::By the way, If any of you guys think it's a good idea, please support. {{User|John G}} | ::::By the way, If any of you guys think it's a good idea, please support. {{User|John G}} | ||
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===Semi-protect galleries of high traffic pages=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-10|don't protect}} | |||
If popular pages such as [[Mario]] and [[Yoshi]] that are often targets for vandalism are protected, then shouldn't their galleries be as well? Because I've seen them get vandalized enough times and besides, anons/new users can't upload images. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|driftmaster130}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': January 10, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Protect==== | |||
#{{User|driftmaster130}} Per what I said. | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Proposal. | |||
#{{User|Zero777}} That last part makes sense. | |||
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Well, I'm over those mixed feelings, as I can't really see any long-term downsides to going through with this. | |||
====Keep as is==== | |||
#{{User|WooftheChomp}} what if there is a typo and an anon sees it and wants to fix it? | |||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per the reasons the templates weren't semi-protected, they're not a common target for vandals so semi-protection is probably likely to hurt in the long run. | |||
#{{User|KP}} Per Yoshi876. | |||
#{{User|Megadardery}} While I don't love anon editing idea in the first place, protecting or semi-protecting everything wouldn't help. As known, vandal can be reverted very easily, actually more easily than doing the vandalism itself. In all cases, I don't like the idea of protecting the Yoshi article either. | |||
#{{User|GBAToad}} Per Yoshi876. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} I don't think that photos aren't like words that vandals can harm, so no way. | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Yoshi876, | |||
====Comments==== | |||
<s>Mixed feelings on this.</s> I haven't seen many galleries targeted by persistent vandals (though that's just personal experience speaking), and in the event such vandalism exists (which it likely does) it's far less frequent then 'attacks' targeting the main page itself. @WooftheChomp, admirable as that sentiment is, a typo is just that: a minor misspelling that someone is due to notice at some point and fix. If the anon's so intent on having it fixed, they could just inform another user or something (since I'm assuming semi-protection also prevents new and unconfirmed users editing the page). [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] ([[User talk:Lord Grammaticus|talk]]) 13:13, 3 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:@Yoshi876 Yeah, but what about the reason the {{plain link|1=[http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/34#Semi-protect_Glitch_List_pages glitch pages are semi-protected?]}} While those are a good source, they've also been under heavy vandalism. While I'm not saying that every popular page should be protected to stop vandals, at least the really important ones should. {{user|driftmaster130}} | |||
::Whilst yes they were protected to stop vandalism, it's a bit harder to decide whether certain edits on a glitch page are bad. I could go along and write a perfectly detailed glitch, but make it up. If someone tries it you can just say they didn't do it correctly. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
:::Adding to what you said, If I were a vandal, I wouldn't make an account and make 5 edits and wait for 4 days so I can just add a fake glitch. The fact that the Mario article is protected, is mostly because it likes the main cover of our wiki. You know the first page you visit is mostly Mario, you can't find vandalism there.. it just won't be nice :P {{User|Megadardery}} | |||
::::Well what about galleries? They're like a spinoff or extension of the article itself, as well as the only example of said form. If a vandal finds out they can't edit the Mario page, they'll just hit the gallery because that's the only page that has equal value, as pictures are just as important as words in encyclopedias. My point is, if we're going to protect the common vandalism targets, then why leave their subpage unguarded? {{user|driftmaster130}} | |||
:::::Because they're not targeted, just went through the revision history of [[Gallery:Mario]], and yeah sure they had been reversions, but it was a normal user taking out a random image, there was barely any IP contributions in there at all, and unless you count [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Gallery:Mario&diff=1457760&oldid=1456863 this] as vandalism the page wasn't vandalized at all in the past year. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
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===Delete disambig pages for Paper Mario and Paper Mario:TTYD badges=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-4|don't delete}} | |||
When I click random page I will sometimes get a page like [[Last Stand|this]] that I find to be totally pointless. I think deleting the disambigs and merging the two pages would be logical.<br> | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' January 15, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} My proposal. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Sorry, but they aren't the same. | |||
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} I think we should keep them because then you might end up clicking on the Paper Mario version of the badge and end up on TTYD. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} I realized that these badges are from different games. No offence, but these are two different badges we are talking about. | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} You're proposing to delete something potentially helpful for users. These <s>ate</s> (dumb typo) are two different badges, so they deserve the disambiguation page. Besides, what your proposing is ultimately vague so I have no idea what effect this proposal shall wreck if it passed. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
@RB4761: That's what the same page is for so you have two sections that describe both versions of it. {{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} | |||
:If we give that badge its own page, then all the badges need to have their own page. Though I think they go just fine in the article of the game they are from. But since they appear in two separate games, that's why there needs to be links to both.<br> | |||
:EDIT: I mean they go fine in the section for their respective game in the [[Badge]] article. {{User|Fawfulfury65}} | |||
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===Proposed Promotions=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|vetoed}} | |||
I think that users should be able to propose promotions. Here is how the process goes: you put a template similar to the FA template: the UP (user promotion) template. Then, you (obviously) create the page. OK, on to the proposal. To pass, it must have at least twice as many supports than opposes, and a high ranking user (Patroller or above) must support, because what if a bunch of spammers supported? Anyway, the deadline is a biweek. I know, what you're thinking: "It should be up to beaurecrats", but still, sometimes they're too busy blocking trolls to notice good users. That's where we come in. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}}<br> | |||
'''Proposed Deadline:''' January 29, 2014, 23:59 GMT<br> | |||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' January 22, 2014, 18:47 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} Per proposal. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} It's illegal | |||
====Comments==== | |||
If you can think of a way to improve this proposal, please let me know! {{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} | |||
As Per Rule 16: Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration, this proposal is illegal;. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
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===Split ''Bowser's Inside Story''/''Dream Team'' X Bosses from the original bosses=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|split}} | |||
A while ago there was a proposal to merge the R enemies in Dream Team to their original enemies. It failed for the reason that even if the enemies look the same and only have different colors, they were still different enemies and are to be classified as such. X Bosses in ''Bowser's Inside Story'' and ''Dream Team'' should be no different so they should be split off as well. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Tails777}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' January 23, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal | |||
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} I'm afraid I have to agree with this. A while ago, I created the merging proposal. It failed, because you said there were different enemies, despite the fact that they only had a color change and attack speed as difference. So technically, X bosses ''should'' be different enemies, for the reasons I stated. So I'm pro splitting this. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the opposition votes in the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/37#Merge_Dream_Team_enemies.27_articles_with_their_.22R.22_version|"R" enemies proposal]]. | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I support consistency | |||
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per proposal | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} Per all. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
====Comments==== | |||
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===Nicknames=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10}} | |||
Lazy people, rejoice! Nicknames are redirects to your userpage, so if your name is super-long and you are impatient to get to yours (or someone else's) page, you can just type in the nickname and it'll redirect you there. Ok, everyone keeps opposing, and you have good reason, so limit 3 nicknames. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' January 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} P p. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Icemario}} To be honest, it seems more like it'd just create an unnecessary excess of userspace redirects. You have a link to your userpage while you're logged in, and the search bar shows any possible userpages you could be looking for as you enter in the page name, meaning you can access the userpage of a person with a long name without typing the full name, so there wouldn't be much benefit out of this as the system feels convenient enough. | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} This is an unnecessary idea. As Icemario would say, people would be free to create a great amount redirects to their userpage. So this means that the administrators or something have to approve it first, which is already another unnecessary workload they have to contend with. If you think your name really is too long, ask for a rename, if you're qualified for it. | |||
#{{user|driftmaster130}} Per Icemario, this just takes up a lot of space. Also, why the heck does a few extra seconds of typing matter, and why do you even have to type a lot if letter matches come up in the search bar anyways? Also, chances are that if a username is long, it'll also be uncommon. (I often go by just "Drift", but I don't even have to type that whole until my page comes up) | |||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Completely unneeded, and potentially bad in the long-run. As Driftmaster130 said some people call him Drift, a new user may want to join under that name, and I highly doubt they'd be trying to impersonate Drift, when they go to create their userpage they can't because Drift will be used as a redirect and user pages are formatted so only the user and wiki admins can edit it so a request would have to be made and it'd take up unnecessary time. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} doesn't this violate the Userspace Policy? We have DISPLAYTITLE for this. | |||
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} Sorry, I'm going to oppose. Displaytitle sounds like a good idea, if you have a nickname. I have tons of nicks, and I'm sure they would be a bother for other users. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} Sorry, but <nowiki>[[User:Pinkie Pie|DISPLAYTITLEs like this]]</nowiki> is better then adding nicknames templates that redirect to your name. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Ashley anEoTselkie}}Per all. Plus, If a user have tons of nicknames, will be hard know who is. | |||
#{{User|Webkinz Mania}} Per all. What's the point? | |||
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BTW, no one searches for users via search bar anyway. And even if you do, you have to use the advanced settings, which no one would really user either, except for users...maybe? {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
OK. I give up. Cancel this, please. But I have a WAY better proposal coming up. {{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} | |||
:Is the next proposal dealing with the same subject matter? Because unless you're avoiding Rule 7 from preventing you from trying again with a modified proposal before the 1-month waiting period is over, "I give up" isn't actually a valid reason to have it pulled. It's better to let the proposal run its course. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
Don't worry, it isn't. And you guys have a point, so that's why I gave up. {{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} | |||
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===Remove character references from the References to other Games sections in game articles=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} | |||
O.K. the title may not really explain much, but what I'm saying is removing references like Rosalina being playable in game from Super Mario Galaxy references. Let me try to explain what I'm getting at. I've looked at a lot of reference to other games sections in game articles and I see things like "Rosalina also appears as a playable character/appears in the game" in Super Mario Galaxy points, mainly in ''Mario Kart Wii'', ''Mario Kart 7'', ''Super Mario 3D World'' and ''Mario Party: Island Tour''. Now Rosalina has become a rather popular character, a bit more popular than Dry Bowser for example and ''New Super Mario Bros'' rarely references him, while ''Super Mario Galaxy'' gets referenced every time Rosalina appears in a game. Now I'm suggesting we remove reference like these because we don't need to reference to a game because a certain character debuted in it. We don't reference to ''Super Mario World'' every time Yoshi appears and we certainly don't reference whenever Dry Bowser appears. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Tails777}}<br> | |||
'''Proposed Deadline:''' February 8th, 2014, 23:59 GMT<br> | |||
'''Date Withdrawn:''' February 1, 2014, 07:25 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per my proposal | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
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Wait, that isn't policy already? Even then, you can use your common sense to remove those references. Those absolutely do not qualify as references, so nobody will object if you remove these statements. At least, I won't object. {{User|Mario}} | |||
:Well stuff like that is indeed in the policy, I guess I have no need for this proposal then. {{User|Tails777}} | |||
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===Bowser's Minions-Category=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-10}} | |||
On the left side of the screen Bowser's Minions should be a category instead of enimies because there are so many. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|bumpynintendo}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': February 2, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} No, the purpose of "Browse" section is to be broad. Placing Koopas there is too specific. Just as we don't put humans in there. | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Baby Luigi. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Unneeded, the category Koopas will suffice. | |||
#{{User|Icemario}} If we were to put Koopas there, then it wouldn't be that logical to put Goombas there, and it'd just escalate until we had a whole bunch of unneeded and as Baby Luigi said too specific subjects in the "Browse" section, making it cluttered, overly lengthy and less helpful. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|KP}} If we put Koopas there, soon there would be a proposal saying we should put Goombas there. This would go on until the browse list reaches 50 entries. | |||
#{{User|Mario7}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|driftmaster130}} Per all. | |||
#{{user|Green 6017 King Of The Slowpoke}} Per all. This is useless. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
Could you be more specific? I cannot understand the one sentence proposal with spelling and gramatical errors. {{User|Mario7}} 19:42, 26 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:He's talking about the links on the left part of the page, specifically on the section labeled "browse". He wants to add a Koopas link in there. {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
There are more goombas than koopas! I might cancel this now. {{User|Bumpynintendo}} | |||
:Aren't you going to support your proposal? {{User|Pinkie Pie}} | |||
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===Move the "List of implied X" articles to "List of mentioned X"=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|don't move}} | |||
I dislike the title "List of implied X". I see it as violating NPOV, by suggesting that the thing in question may or may not exist, when in many cases, it does. Plus, most other Wikis use the word "mentioned" in this context. And while we're on the subject of these articles, I also think that they should be rewritten to be less obsessive. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|RickTommy}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': February 2, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|RickTommy}} | |||
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#{{User|Megadardery}} Does the difference between "implied" and "mentioned" worth all the trouble of updating the links? In addition, "mentioned" gives me the feeling that this item/character/whatever was only mentioned *really?* and it didn't actually appear whilst lots of mentioned/implied whatever already appeared but does not need a full page, just a minor section in this page. On the other hand, "implied" gives me the opposite feeling. I'd rather keep "implied" unless we find a better word. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} Per Megadarery | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Meg's got it | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Megadardery. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - "Implied" suits the subject matter perfectly well (stuff that's not directly shown), and is more inclusive (not all implied things are merely mentioned; for example, the [[List_of_implied_characters#King_Croacus_I|Crocuses]] are also shown in portraits). Either way, its not worth the trouble to change it. Also, proposals shouldn't include secondary purposes as vague as calling for the rewriting of pages to be "less obsessive". | |||
#{{User|KP}} Implied just sounds better than mentioned when you put it in the phrase. Also, we would have to change every single implied into a mentioned. Fixing the links would take days. All that work for one word which is actually worse than the current one. | |||
#{{user|bumpynintendo}} per all. | |||
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} It's a synonym. I don't think we should change because other wikis do it... | |||
#{{user|driftmaster130}} The term "implied" sounds more formal in encyclopedic sense. | |||
#{{User|Robecuba}}Per all, there is no need to do this, and it will just waste time. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
List of x's with unproved existences | |||
{{unsigned|Bumpynintendo}} | |||
:What? {{User|Baby Luigi}} 15:53, 26 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::Too wordy for page titles. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
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=== Revive featured images.=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-9}} | |||
Featured images should come back. They are fun and interesting. In fact, {{user|Baby Luigi}} says they are why she joined the wiki! Something this awesome and fun should come back. | |||
''' Proposer''' {{User|bumpynintendo}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': February 3, 2014, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Bumpynintendo}}The reason is listed above. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Mario}} [http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/21#Main_Page_Overhaul There is a reason featured images are removed], and since this proposal does nothing to address the previous problems the featured images system has, I will oppose. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per the reasons for why it was removed in the first place. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Mario and the old reasons for getting rid of FIs. They just don't add enough substance to the main page, whereas its current design is a good showcase of the wiki's merits as an information resource, and balances that with signs of the wiki's healthy community to boot: best not to change what's working so well. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} If we have the Featured Images Back, where would the polls go? This would make the Main Page go ugly. That why we removed the Featured Images, in order to get the polls back. Don't get me started on this lesson. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Icemario}} Per Mario. | |||
#{{User|driftmaster130}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Very uneeded. | |||
#{{user|Green 6017 King Of The Slowpoke}} While I liked the featured images they did get rid of it for a reason. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} I don't find it fun, but I do find it rather flawed. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
What was the reason behind its removal, for curiousity's sake? {{User|Lord Grammaticus}} | |||
:The system was highly flawed, governed by fan votes. "''There are, from what I've seen from a recent proposal, many repeat nominations. There are also problems with some users about 'fan votes'– that is, people who go voting on an image not for the quality of the image or because they feel it would do the Main Page some justice, but rather because their favorite character is in the image. There are also quite a few users that feel the system itself does not work at all (such as me).''" At the time, we were also running out of new images to feature (the system doesn't cycle), so the system just set itself up for a dead end. {{User|Mario}} | |||
Oh my god, the memories. {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
:Well, that explains it well enough. {{User|Lord Grammaticus}} | |||
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Latest revision as of 18:40, April 20, 2022
Split Nintendo 2DS from Nintendo 3DSDon't split 4-10 Proposer: Randombob-omb4761 (talk) Support
Oppose
Comments@Walkazo: The GBA revisions do feature notable hardware differences from the base model (such as a backlighted screen and the removal of backward compatibility in the Mcrio's case) and unlike the GBC or the DSi, the 2ds has no Mario universe-branded games that can't be played on the base model. Making a separate page for it when it has no relevance to Mario as a franchise would be coverage creep. --Glowsquid (talk) 14:39, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Create writing guideline for reception and sales sectionscreate guideline 12-0
Another week, another writing guideline! Kids love those, right? Anyway, the few sections about the critical and commercial performance of a given game have no consistent format and they are (as usual for "real world" subjects) rather weak. As such, I think it would be a good idea to create a guideline page to give an idea of how they should be organised and pointers on how to write them. I've made a draft for such a guideline page here. I've been told it looks ok. What do you think? Proposer: Glowsquid (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsMaybe we could use Wikipedia as inspiration as what to the reception section looks like? This looks nicely organized, and it has a great table to boot. Before y'all shoot me down for saying, "WE'RE NOT WIKI PEDIA BLAH BLAH BLAH" at least take my suggestion into consideration: there's a reason they do this and I don't see why not: I like the nicely organized table and I think it would improve the section more. Baby Luigi (talk)
Should we include reception for subjects other than games? Again, looking at Wikipedia, they have reception towards some of the characters and the game consoles. Baby Luigi (talk)
@reception for things that are not games: That's something I didn't think of, and I think it could be workable, but more on a case-by-case basis. The problem with Wikipedia's reception sections for characters and other fictional elements is that they, most of the time, only exist to establish the notability criteria required by Wikipedia policy and thus are little more than a ridiculous collection of inane statements of no use or interest to anybody. However, illustrating Mario's popularity and relevance to pop culture is certainly something that should be done. Additionally, if someone at Nintendo comes out and say something like "We changed Birdo's characters due to the criticism it received" or "We redesigned the Blue Shell due to players feedback", giving exemples of audience reaction to provide context to the statement would also make sense. --Glowsquid (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2013 (EDT) Remove coverage of "cameo" puzzle gamesremove 10-1 To take one example, Pushmo, despite having a page, features a limited amount of Mario references; there is only one Mario puzzle out of the first 100 (not counting the NES controller puzzle), and the remaining levels are found exclusively within two Nintendo-themed puzzle sections towards the end of the game. More to the fact, Mario characters do not make cameos outside of their puzzles, the game does not include any additional Mario themes or sounds, and the game’s story and characters do not reference the Nintendo characters much at all. So covering anything else from the game (story, character artwork, and menu icons) and calling it a crossover is not really justified by the amount of references the game has. The other cameo puzzle games are in a similar bunch; While the ratio of Mario vs non-Mario content may be slightly higher (with Tetris DS, for example, featuring NES Super Mario Bros. sprites prancing around in several modes), the depth of the Mario content featured within is extremely minimal and barely relevant to the actual game. So why are we giving these games crossover coverage? The answer: we shouldn’t be, and we shouldn’t let new users believe that we are. Some of these articles seem more like bloated references than worthy crossovers, so why have these entire content-creeping articles when the actual references, which only take up about a small percent of their article's length, would not be out of place on the references list. In short, we propose that we move the Mario-related information, which is the only thing relevant to the wiki, to the references list, and redirect the articles to that, because the cameo puzzle games simply don't have enough relevant content to be given full crossover coverage. The following games would be affected by this proposal: Proposers: GBAToad (talk) and Glowsquid (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsI assume that any sub-pages the games have will also be deleted. Yoshi876 (talk)
What about Captain Rainbow, whilst it has Mario references more frequently than the puzzle games, but they do have a role in the story? Yoshi876 (talk)
I agree with the main bulk of this proposal with one exception that prevents me from supporting it in its current form: Alleyway. As shown on the boxart and apparently in-game, Mario controls the paddle and is thus, in a somewhat indirect fashion, the playable character in this game. Compare to Golf. Other than the fact that you play as a very un-Mario looking Mario (and only in North America, to boot), this game has no connection to the Mario series. Yet it has a full article, as it should. Why is Alleyway any different? I would almost argue for keeping Tetris DS as well due to the depth of content (its Puzzle mode is basically a remake of Yoshi's Cookie, from the sound of things), but I don't have as strong of feelings or support for that objection. 1337star (talk) Allow Featuring and Unfeaturing nominations to fail before the deadlineallow 6-0 Proposer: Yoshi876 (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsWait, what? I tried reading what you're saying, but I don't understand the gist of it. LeftyGreenMario (talk)
@Lefty In a way that cannot be countered, what I mean by that is a counter-argument for which there is no counter. For example, on the Kirby nomination, the subject has no relevance to the quality, it cannot be countered. And the 1 week timeframe as said only applies to the FAs if the problem is unfixible, the 1 week deadline mainly applies to the unfeaturing because if the problem is fixed there's no point on the article just sitting around for 2 months with the unfeature template on it. Yoshi876 (talk)
The thing is, with SM3DW, all of the oppose votes are simply perring others, and even though it will fail, I don't want to hurt the feelings of the supporting people. Ztar Power (talk)
Ditch "Full Names" when appropriatepassed 4-0 Proposer: Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsWhat do you mean by "Full Name"? Yoshi876 (talk) Like, for Bowser Jr, "Prince Bowser Koopa Jr". It's speculative nonsense. Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Well, most are. Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) @Tails: You have a point, so I changed it a bit. Electrical Bowser jr. (talk)
Doesn't this need to be archived? Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Merge Dream Team enemies' articles with their "R" versionfailed 6-11 Proposer: Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsYou know, if we're going through with this, there may as well be proposals to deal with the other identical recolours from the other RPG games with them for consistency. Icemario11 (talk)
If we plan to go with many enemies that are like this, does that mean we'd merge Ember and Phantom Ember with Lava Bubble, just because they are stronger versions of it? Tails777 (talk) Well, if this fails, god do something about the copy-paste. It just ruins both articles. --Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) 12:01, 9 December 2013 (EST) Change all Mario power-up transformations from "Mario" to "Form"canceled by proposer Nintendo has lately stop restricting the use of items to only Mario and Luigi and have allowed other characters, Peach and Red Toad for example, to use them to the exact same effect and use. At first I was okay with the Template:Diff on the top of the article when it says that the power may also extend out to Luigi (only), but now I believe it is looking too cluttered and unprofessional when it lists out that the power-up may extend to not only Luigi but also to Peach, Yellow Toad, Blue Toad, Rosalina, etc. Think about it guys, Nintendo has been innovative and is currently trying out new things that we have never seen before. Who knows, maybe some time in the future we'll see a Fire Daisy, Tanooki Yoshi, Metal Waluigi, and Ice Wario. And I for one do not want to see that Diff template list grow even bigger because of that. The proposal is basically saying that all power-up transformation articles of which the said power-up item is not used exclusively by Mario (or by any other single individual [if one does exist now or in the future]) will be renamed from "Mario" to "Form". (e.g. Ice Form, Penguin Form, Tanooki Form, Shell Form, Invincibility Form, Double Form, Cat Form, etc.) And thus call to delete Template:Diff. It also calls for a change of the info-box photo. The info-box photo will have to be an official Nintendo company artwork (so no screenshots) of the latest exhibition of a group of characters in their power-up form. Example, the group artwork of Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad in Cat form for Super Mario 3D World. If a particular power-up form possesses no group artworks, then the latest appearance of the power-up form characters will all have to be pasted onto an artboard and uploaded to the SMW (the artworks all have to be from the same game, and the artboard has needs a transparent background, so it's like a composite). And, I know this part may be the most obvious of all, all of the renamed articles will have a redirect name of its previous name (Fire Mario, Ice Mario, Tanooki Mario, etc.) Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Change It
Don't Change It
CommentsWait! A proposal similar to this existed before? Man I've been gone for so long. In that case, whoever has the power to remove proposals may you please remove it? Zero777 (talk) Allow Removal of Support/Oppose in Proposalsdon't allow 1-12 Proposer: Randombob-omb4761 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsHave "Title reference" in the infobox for Mario Party minigamescanceled by proposer Proposer: MegaKoopa (talk) Support
Oppose
Comments@Zero777, I replaced "name" with "title". I always used "name", but it really seems that "title" is more correct. MegaKoopa (talk) 08:05, 23 December 2013 (EST) Walkazo brings up a pretty good point in his oppose, what do you suppose we could do with the more obvious references if/when this passes? Lord Grammaticus (talk
Create disambiguation pages for New Super Mario/Luigi (Bros.) U levelscreate the pages 6-0 Proposer: Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsI don't see the point of this. Specicifally, we can make disambiguations, certainly, though you didn't have to go right to the TPP, I think; a discussion on the talk page would've been a great starting point, and with enough support (I see no reason not to do this really), you can just go right ahead and do it.
@SuperYoshiBros: I think you're mistaken. The point is not to create disambiguation pages for worlds, but for levels. — Banon (talk)
don't split 1-5 Proposer:John G (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsYou forgot to put yourself in support John G. Zero777 (talk)
Semi-protect galleries of high traffic pagesdon't protect 4-10 Proposer: driftmaster130 (talk) Protect
Keep as is
Comments
Delete disambig pages for Paper Mario and Paper Mario:TTYD badgesdon't delete 1-4 Proposer: Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) Support
Oppose
Comments@RB4761: That's what the same page is for so you have two sections that describe both versions of it. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk)
Proposed Promotionsvetoed by the administrators Proposer: Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsIf you can think of a way to improve this proposal, please let me know! Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) As Per Rule 16: Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration, this proposal is illegal;. Yoshi876 (talk) Split Bowser's Inside Story/Dream Team X Bosses from the original bossessplit 8-0 Proposer: Tails777 (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsNicknamesfailed 1-10 Proposer: Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsBTW, no one searches for users via search bar anyway. And even if you do, you have to use the advanced settings, which no one would really user either, except for users...maybe? Baby Luigi (talk) OK. I give up. Cancel this, please. But I have a WAY better proposal coming up. Electrical Bowser jr. (talk)
Don't worry, it isn't. And you guys have a point, so that's why I gave up. Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Remove character references from the References to other Games sections in game articlescanceled by proposer Proposer: Tails777 (talk) SupportOpposeCommentsWait, that isn't policy already? Even then, you can use your common sense to remove those references. Those absolutely do not qualify as references, so nobody will object if you remove these statements. At least, I won't object. Mario (talk)
Bowser's Minions-Categoryfailed 0-10 Proposer: bumpynintendo (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsCould you be more specific? I cannot understand the one sentence proposal with spelling and gramatical errors. Mario7 (talk) 19:42, 26 January 2014 (EST)
There are more goombas than koopas! I might cancel this now. Bumpynintendo (talk)
Move the "List of implied X" articles to "List of mentioned X"don't move 1-10 Proposer: RickTommy (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsList of x's with unproved existences
Revive featured images.failed 1-9 Proposer bumpynintendo (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsWhat was the reason behind its removal, for curiousity's sake? Lord Grammaticus (talk)
Oh my god, the memories. Baby Luigi (talk)
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