MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Saturday, June 1st, 23:04 GMT

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. "Vote" periods last for one week. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!"). All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

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===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "June 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Decide whether to redesign the Main Page (discuss) Deadline: June 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Include Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill back in the Rainbow Road article (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Consider Spike Top derived from both Buzzy Beetles and Spinies (discuss) Deadline: June 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Iron Cleft with The Iron Adonis Twins (discuss) Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Meat (object) with Meat (discuss) Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Re-merge Frog (Yoshi's Story) with Frog (discuss) Deadline: June 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move the chef-based recipe lists (such as List of Tayce T. recipes) to game-based ones (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge the corresponding chef-named recipes (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Silver Credit and Gold Credit to Silver Card and Golden Card, respectively (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move Moo Moo back to cow (discuss) Deadline: June 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split Samus from List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. (discuss) Deadline: June 11, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move attack info from Super Hammer to Spin Hammer and move the latter to Super Hammer (move) (discuss) Deadline: June 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Add Mario Bros. as a related game to the Super Mario series (discuss) Deadline: June 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move Chain Chompikins from Madame Broode to Big Chain Chomp (discuss) Deadline: June 15, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)

Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023)

Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)

Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)

Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024)

Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)

Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Consider "humorous" and other related terms as frequently misused in MarioWiki:Good writing, DrippingYellow (ended May 28, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)

Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023)

Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)

Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Split Strobomb from Robomb, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)

Split the NES and SNES releases of Wario's Woods, SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (ended March 27, 2024)

Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)

Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)

Split Cheep Blimp (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) and Zeeppelin from the blimp page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 28, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Make {{construction}} templates expire after 3 months. (Discuss) Deadline: November 14, 2015, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Princess Peach's voice. (Discuss) Deadline: November 15, 2015, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Shroom Fry with Fried Shroom Plate. (Discuss) Deadline: November 16, 2015, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Gold Credit, Gold Card, and Golden Card. (Discuss) Deadline: November 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create a suggestion template

I propose the creation of a suggestion template, which would serve to prevent the creation of unnecessary proposal (like make a edit change, add something to the wiki), which is not essentially required to go through the proposal systems. With the addition of this template, users who want to add a suggestion of adding something to the wiki without necessarily go through a proposal could use it and make a general request to the users and it could prevent formatting a proposal via the proposal system that frankly serve no purpose. What do you think about it?

Proposer: LudwigVon (talk)
Deadline: November 19, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. LudwigVon (talk) Per proposal.
2. Roy Koopa (talk) PP. (PP. is shorthand for per proposal for future reference)
3. Chocolate Mario (talk) This would be good for new users who are unused to our proposal system to share their ideas for stuff that can be added to articles, and we do need to be accessible to new users. I'm not totally convinced that established users would make much use of it, since they'd know to make a proposal when in doubt (or simply add the content otherwise), but creating a template can't exactly do much harm.

Oppose

1. Walkazo (talk) - Completely unnecessary (and poorly formatted). If you have an idea, either make the change yourself if it's minor or following existing regulations (e.g. fixing mistakes and adding info), or just make a regular ol' section on the talk page for it if you think it's major enough that some discussion/help would be good, but isn't a drastic and/or potentially divisive change that would warrant a full-blown TPP (e.g. splits, merges or complete overhauls). If you really want to flag something for feedback, just use {{talk}}: "can we do this?" is still a question of sorts, after all.
2. Bazooka Mario (talk) My gut reaction was to oppose this. We have an adequate amount of venues (including wiki talk pages, user talk pages, and our forums) for making suggestions, asking question, and otherwise participating in constructive wiki-related discussion, and this template heavily, if not 100% overlaps with a more versatile template: {{talk}}. The "new users who are unused to the proposal system" is a silly argument since we have clear instructions and even a nowiki template to fall back on, not to mention, existing proposals that are a valid framework as well (when I was a new user, I used the framework of other existing votes to help me vote on my own). If new users want to ask or suggest something, even a simple unsigned message on a talk page is enough, although it might be fair game whenever you get a response or not, but I believe particularly good questions usually get a response. The best venue for making your suggestions heard are the forums since your comments on a talk page in the Recent Changes may be swallowed by other edits. Making unnecessary proposals is only a minor mistake (which a lot of us has done in the past) and creating a template just for that seems frivolous, especially when we have other existing templates that achieve pretty much the same thing. People may not be aware of the forums initially, but we make frequent references to it, and if users stay here long enough, they'll be curious enough to check it out. Finally, if users really do have trouble formatting a proposal or anything, they are always welcome to ask on our FAQ and talk pages of experienced users, which is common sense and a responsible thing to do in general for a confused new user.
3. Baby Luigi (talk) Per all. If I have nothing else different to say, well, I won't say it.
4. Time Turner (talk) Per all.
5. Ghost Jam (talk) Per all.
6. PowerKamek (talk) Per all.
7. Magikrazy (talk) Per all, Walkazo in particular took the words right out of my mouth.

Comments

This template could serve to prevent to make a proposal for every propose of recipes merge in the Paper Mario (series), since some users just think its a little boring to do this all the time. LudwigVon (talk)

This template could look like this, but before opposing just because of the look of the template, please make a suggestion for improving it. LudwigVon (talk)

This talk page or section is about a suggestion made by a user. Please try to help and resolve the issue by living a comment.

the only thing i have to say is that i would omit the word and. Other than that, i think it's a good idea. J-Luigi (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2015 (EST)

The word and can be seen on other template. So Its why I let this word on this template.--^(TALK) 13:38, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Trying to help and trying to resolve are, for the most part, redundant. That's why I said that. J-Luigi (talk) 13:42, 12 November 2015 (EST)

May I ask why this is on the main page talk? IMHO, it would belong on MarioWiki:Proposals, since it is a general proposal that has no relation to the Main Page. Chocolate Mario (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Its because I didn't really know where to put this proposal, so I thought the Main Page was the best place to put this, but since you involved this, I forget this place. My mistake.--^(TALK) 13:48, 12 November 2015 (EST)

I don't really understand how you can just 'forget' about the proposals page when making a proposal. You're probably lucky that the proposal is still here. Chocolate Mario (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Mistakes can happen to everyone, I 'm not very experienced with the use of this.--^(TALK) 14:09, 12 November 2015 (EST)

It's not a little mistake, it's complete ignorance of the very basic principles of the proposal system. The very definition of a TPP, from this very page, is: "[A proposal] dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles [that is] held on the talk page of one of the articles in question." A proposal about making a template to use on article talk pages everywhere does not fit the TPP criteria at all and has nothing to do with the main page. If you're unsure where a TPP should go, that's a pretty big hint that it's not really a TPP at all, and should just go here as a regular proposal. - Walkazo 14:15, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Thanks for the reminder, I should know this before, but apparently not, now I would know more about this. Its a mistake.--^(TALK) 14:24, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Names in Other Languages organization for Mario episodes

I've been getting a little tired of seeing the Latin American and Spanish names of Mario episodes in one row, like this:

The same goes for Portuguese names. This also counts for rows like this:

In case of that one, I would edit it in a way that makes it result in this:

So one of the decisions I made about it is to separate the Spanish/Portuguese language rows from one another, in a way that looks like this:

I already did this to most, if not all, of the Mario episode articles. But you can help contribute to this.

Proposer: MeerkatMario (talk)
Deadline: November 11, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

1. MeerkatMario (talk) I support this, considering that I am the one who proposed this.

Oppose

1. Bazooka Mario (talk) "NOA" and "NOE" are the wrong abbreviations to use, implying that Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe played a hand in the localization, and that's not true. The explanations in the section do their jobs well enough. If something like the Latin and Spain language differences are a problem, then we should change the templates themselves. The NOA and NOE parameters were created with the games in mind, and I simply don't think it's a good idea that we stretch it to include cartoon dubs.
2. Pseudo-dino (talk) Per Bazooka Mario.
3. LudwigVon (talk) Per Bazooka Mario.
4. Roy Koopa (talk) Per BM.
5. BabyLuigi64 (talk) Using "NOA" and "NOE" would be misleading, so per Bazooka Mario.
6. Ghost Jam (talk) Per Bazooka Mario.

Comments

But NOA stands for Nintendo of America and NOE stands for Nintendo of Europe,both which are localization and promotion branches for Nintendo. Are you sure they played a part in localizing languages outside of English (since the show is American)? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:10, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Not at all, but I think it feels good because it also tells the language types apart. MeerkatMario (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2015 (EST)

But that would be misleading, since it leads readers into thinking that the abbreviations are Nintendo of America/Europe localizations when in fact they're not. Also, an original dub is different from a redub and has nothing to do with the different localization branches of each Nintendo of country companies. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:38, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Replace Remix with Remake on Level Articles

Ive been using this for all the Green Stars and stamps on my Mario 3D World, and I've noticed a lot of the World Mushroom/Flower levels have notes that say "a remix of Level X-Y: Z." For example, this article has a note that says "A remix of World 5-1: Sunshine Seaside." The thing is, dictionary.com says the definition of remix as a noun is "A remixed recording." Are levels recordings? No. Therefore, we are using it the wrong way. Because of this, I believe we should change all uses of remix (which will mostly be in 3D Land/World articles) to remake. If you have another idea for wording, let me know.

Proposer: Roy Koopa (talk)
Deadline: November 16, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Roy Koopa (talk) my proposal

Oppose

1. Time Turner (talk) Banning any word is way too strong, because there could always be a case where the word is applicable. Besides the fact that Wikipedia uses the term rather loosely, what you're proposing would prevent articles from pointing out that, for example, the level's song is a remix of another song. The proposal would have to be modified to be less extreme before I would consider voting in support for it.
2. LudwigVon (talk) Per Time Turner.
3. Ghost Jam (talk) Per Time Turner and Bazooka Mario's comments below.
4. Walkazo (talk) - "Remix" is inappropriate given how most readers will know it from the music usage and be perplexed by its use for a whole level (if not confused entirely), but "remake" would be less than ideal too since it's mainly used for entire games (or other media) being rebuilt from scratch to be very similar to the original. A level could be remade if it's in a completely different game but is otherwise the same level, I suppose, but if it's just reappearing in the same game with some alterations to be a different playing experience, that's not a remake in our usual sense of the word, and it'd be better to use non-jargon words without preexisting misusage baggage for that situation, like "variation" or maybe even "redesign" (in fact, in the example provided by the proposal, the line after the "remix" part already says "The level is a redesign of [the] original level.").
5. PowerKamek (talk) I think Remix is fine. Per all.
6. BabyLuigi64 (talk) Per all.

Comments

I changed the terminology so that it is not "ban," but rather "replace with." J-Luigi (talk) 14:46, 9 November 2015 (EST)

That still doesn't account for the term being used in other circumstances. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

I think the reasoning for this proposal is wrong all based on the denotation of "remix". Words are flexible and can be used outside its dictionary definition. Making a strict rule on that isn't really a good decision. That being said, I don't like "remix" being abused like this, so I suggest changing it to less vague and ambiguous terms like "variation", "alteration", "similar". Finally, just a side note: "remix" is more often than not used incorrectly not only in this wiki but even in professional games such as Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U, which only aggravates the abuse of "remix". It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, 9 November 2015 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.