Talk:Terrormisu

Terrormisu picture

Can anyone upload a picture of Terrormisu to the Wiki and post it on this page? I want to know what she looks like and I don't want to advance in the game!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rabidchomp (talk).

Super Princess Peach connection

In her boss fight, she uses 3 emotions as transformations, joy, sadness, and rage. Peach also uses these transformations, and even uses the same attacks, water, fire, and (possibly) wind (I've noticed many games represent "wind attacks" as cutters.)

I think it's fair to note Terrormisu, due to the fact that she appears to be a very blatant "parody", almost a direct ripoff, of Peach, is most likely also parodying her own game that had recently released before Master of Disguise on the same console.

These games also share a director, Azusa Tajima, who doesn't have a page here. I thought it was worth mentioning, though I'm not sure how much influence she would have had on the final boss' design concept as I'm not super familiar with what game directors have specific control over. So I'm not sure if that mention is appropriate. She is also only involved in four Mario games and only directed these two. (Apparently she was an assistant director for Wario World though)

Still, I think it is very notable that Terrormisu, the villain whose entire concept is that she is a twisted ripoff of Princess Peach, copies the gimmick for Peach's only game at the time. I think it's a very interesting detail that deserves to be mentioned.

Rendumguy (talk) 21:52, November 27, 2025 (EST)

As stated here, Terrormisu's mask phases (and her default mask) are most likely based on the same thing that Ogerpon's masks are based on; namely, Nōgaku theater, or more specifically, the four temperaments in East Asian theater, aka 喜怒哀楽 kidoairaku: joy, anger, sorrow, and happiness/fulfillment. While these are the same moods represented by the vibes in Super Princess Peach, I would moreso call that a reference to Nōgaku and kidoairaku too (in fact, our vibes article already notes the latter), and Terrormisu's resemblance to Peach in her fight are mere coincidence. After all, Terrormisu's second phase (the joy phase) is entirely gray as opposed to PPS!Joy's yellow color, and the attacks in that phase have absolutely nothing to do with the whirlwind that Peach uses.
Moreover, also said in the linked conversation, a typical depiction of a princess shows her young and pretty with a pink dress, blonde hair, and a tiara. Peach and Terrormisu in her battle are examples of this depiction, but so is Princess Aurora, in the Disney Princess franchise anyway. Just look up "cartoon princess" or "princess costume" on Google, and I assure you most of the images you'll find show pink dresses and/or long, blonde hair. Since it's a very common depiction of a princess, calling Terrormisu a "blatant parody" of Peach specifically feels waaaay too speculative. rend (talk) (edits) 18:46, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

The character design is clearly based on Princess Peach though, and this isn't comparable to other princesses as both of these are Mario characters and thus less likely to be cooncidental like Aurora from Sleeping Beauty, a character from a completely different franchise, medium, and company, someone in the other threat said Princess Shroob isn't based on Peach, but she clearly is, even with all her differences, she's based on Peach's design and the Shroobs are based on Toads, complete with Shroobsworth, a blatant reference to Toadsworth. I dunno if people just use "reference" differently but it's clearly based on Peach's design.

The fact that her design is a *princess* at all to begin with is important since Terrormisu isn't a princess and doesn't wear a crown until this form, you never even get to fight the "princess" form, the only notable thing about is its similaity to Peach. The earrings match, they have similar hair, a crown, the top of the dress is similar, they both have a jewel in the middle of their chest, as are the gloves. There are obvious differences, but the general vibe of the design is incredibly similar to Princess Peach.

I don't buy that Terrormisu looking like that isn't meant to be a reference to Peach, the design is uncannily similar, it's clearly intentional, Peach is too important a Mario character for this not to be the intention with the game starring a character who's conception was to be a "rip-off" of Mario.

Rendumguy (talk) 21:18, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

"The character design is clearly based on Princess Peach" is an entirely subjective take, though, as I can easily point out several clear differences between the two designs:

1. Most obvious difference: Terrormisu is wearing a silver, dragon-shaped tiara without any gemstones. Peach wears a small, regular crown with red and blue gemstones.
2. Terrormisu's hair has two bangs split down the middle (closer to Daisy's hairstyle) and a shoulder-length cut with bulbous ends. Peach's bangs are split into three parts, and her hair length runs down her back to her bottom woth pointed ends.
3. Terrormisu's dress is entirely hot pink, has a ballerina-style skirt, and includes pink stockings. Peach's gown is predominantly light pink with magenta accents on the bottom of her bell-shaped long skirt and her panniers.
4. Terrormisu has a green brooch on her chest, Peach's brooch is blue like her earrings. (This one is admittedly more subtle)

Yes, they do look alike, but there's too many differences for me to ascertain that one is a clear reference to the other like you keep saying. If Terrormisu's boss form is supposed to be a parody of Peach, I'd rather have that confirmed by an official source than just assumption.
Additionally, bringing up the Shroobs in this is not a good comparison. The Shroob army consists of a various amount of Shroobs and Shroob-like creatures that are a clear pastiche of various Super Mario characters and enemies, in a game that also takes place in a Super Mario world. Terrormisu is part of a TV show within a Wario game with has little to no references to the world of Super Mario (in fact, the worlds in the Wario franchise itself are more often than not very distant to that of Mario... I think only the first Wario Land game actually references things from the Mario world, such as the giant Peach statue that Captain Syrup has stolen). Anything in Wario: Master of Disguise is completely different from Mario, and entirely unique to itself. So any vague similarities (e.g. Gooey bearing a resemblance to Boo) might as well be coincidence.
...Also, next time you're posting a picture of Peach, could you please try to shrink it down a bit, instead of posting the file's full resolution in the page? It kinda distracts from the conversation that way. rend (talk) (edits) 22:30, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

I don't think listing off minor differences between the two designs really disproves the point that they are extremely similar to each other. I find it quite unlikely that someone designing a character for a Wario game had never seen Princess Peach before and just coincidentally happened to make a design that looks that close to hers. (That said, I don't think the article should definitively state a connection in the absence of an official statement on the matter, but I think it would be fine to at least neutrally point out the striking resemblance.) Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 22:48, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

That's fair; I just thought it was overly presumptuous of them to see two vaguely similar designs and then claim it must be a clear reference, when it might as well be a Nabbit/Ravio situation. rend (talk) (edits) 23:13, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

Context is important, and I think the standards are a bit different when one of the characters we're dealing with is Princess Peach (one of the most well-known video game characters ever). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 23:21, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

Establish that Terrormisu is based on Princess Peach's design.

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: April 28, 2026, 23:02 (UTC)

The character is clearly intended to look like Princess Peach. Peach is one of the most well known Mario characters and it's very unlikely that somebody designing a character for a Mario game would not know who she is, especially since the director of Wario Master of Disguise worked on a game starring Peach. Yes, a director doesn't work on every little detail of the game, but to think that the artist working on Terrormisu's design just happened to make such an accurate design by accident is extremely unlikely.

They both have pink dresses and a crown. Both have a round colored gem on their chest with puffed sleeves and elbow length gloves They both have long, blonde hair with a crown on top.

There are differences, but not enough so that design can't be identified as similar to Peach. Even outside of the Mario franchise, looking at other princesses like Aurora, there are significantly more similarities between Terrormisu and Princess Peach.

Both are designed as crowned princesses, despite Terrormisu having no connection to being a princess, she's just a demon, and her normal design before her "Princess" form looks significantly less like Peach.

Even if you have an argument she isn't, and these similarities are somehow coincidental, this is clearly worthy of being at least mentioned as a similar design.

While the page doesn't call her "ugly", Terrormisu's design is meant to be a conventionally "unattractive" character wearing a mask to pretend that she's a "prettier" person than she actually is, with the Mario series tending to use Peach as a symbol of "beauty" and "purity", contrasting Terrormisu, who's a conventionally "unattractive" demon with the opposite demeanor of Peach. This is seen in Super Paper Mario, TTYD, even Mario Party 3, Superstar Saga, it's a very common trope that Peach is a uniquely "Good" character in universe. TTYD even features a demon possessing Peach in a game that features a contrast between a "pure evil" demon and a "pure good" Peach.

This of course is much weaker evidence than the design, but a symbol of "pure evil", combined with her uncanny resemblance to Peach, seems like it's obviously trying to show that the character's appearsnce based on Peach.

Furthermore, Terrormisu comes from the Wario series, a series starring a "ripoff" version of Mario, Mario.

Proposer: rendumguy (talk)
Deadline: May 11, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

It should be written in Terrormisu's page that the character's "princess design" is based on Princess Peach

1. rendumguy (talk) Per proposal.
2. Conradd (talk) Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. This proposal reminded me of the whole Look-alike Category debacle when, I dared to say that Terrormisu’s and Daisy’s (classic) appearances were based on Peach, and was accused of abusing the Category system. Ahhhh... Those were good times... yep... truly good times indeed... Per proposal.

Opposition

1. Camwoodstock (talk) There was a whole talk about this, and a whole lot has actually already been said. But, in short, Terrormisu's masks and Super Princess Peach's vibes are probably far more likely both playing on Nōgaku theatre, rather than one another. For the long explanation, though... The argument that this is a deliberate reference hinges entirely on the mutual director for both games, but said director, Azusa Tajima, has been all over the place, being either Director or Assistant Director to Nintendo Puzzle Collection and Densetsu no Starfy 3, Game & Watch Gallery 4, Wario World and Dr. Mario 64. Notably, with the exception of Nintendo Puzzle Collection featuring a port of Dr. Mario 64 (nevermind that ports aren't references to their original game), none of these titles feature a reference to one another in such a capacity as this would be. Heck, Densetsu no Starfy 3, the game that features an actual level dedicated entirely to an homage to another Mario game, is in reference to... Wario Land 4, a game where Azusa Tajima had zero involvement. They pretty clearly could've done it and been really, really overt about it, but they did not. We find it far more likely to believe that these two games independently decided to reference Nōgaku-style plays, moreso than we would believe that the main antagonist of Wario: Master of Disguise is this director's singular instance of them making an incredibly explicit homage to a game they previously directed, when that is behavior that has never been exhibited by said director neither prior, nor since, the release of Master of Disguise. This is ignoring the more banal observations, such as the boss' more tutu-style ballerina dress contrasting with Peach's gown (this single distinction being enough to deprive Terrormisu from counting as a "Peach look-alike" for the sake of categorization awhile ago), or the fact this argument requires you to earnestly look at thisMedia:TerrormisuHappyForm.png and say "it's exactly like the Joy form!"
2. Sir Wandering Poplin (talk) My response was initially a lot longer, but seeing as Camwoodstock has already covered most of what I wanted to say, I have mostly condensed my counterargument down into two key points. 1: This theory does not properly account for Wario Land 4, which may well be a more likely inspiration for Terrormisu since it had it's own "pseudo-Princess Peach" character as well as a Final boss who utilized a very similar gimmick in her fight. 2: The counter-theory of "There's only so many ways to draw a 'pink clad, blonde-haired princess' without her looking like a pre-existing character." After all, it's not like Princess Toadstool is the only character in the series to have those traits...
3. Arend (talk) Per all and myself in the above discussion. It's fine to mention her bearing a slight resemblance to Peach, and maybe also how her masks and Peach's vibes in Super Princess Peach both share their origins in kidoairaku (the four temperaments in the Confucian Book of Rites and East Asian theater), but not more than that. We don't know for sure if Terrormisu's boss form was supposed to be a big reference or parody to Peach and Super Princess Peach, that's mere speculation. It COULD be the case, but since a typical depiction of a pretty princess has blonde hair and a pink dress as well (and that sadness is typically associated with water, and anger typically with fire), it is just as likely that it could be coincidence, like how Nabbit and Ravio unintentionally inspired each other during the developments of New Super Mario Bros. U and The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds.
4. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
5. Rykitu (talk) Per the section below this proposal's comment section.
6. The Dab Master (talk) Per all.

Comments

...couldn't you have at least waited for a counter-response in the above discussion? I was busy writing one (and fixing the size of your posted image) when suddenly I found myself in an edit conflict to see this whole proposal that I'm not sure is necessary right now (it didn't even have a comment section). rend (talk) (edits) 22:40, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

I will also add to Camwoodstock's statement regarding both games sharing a director meaning absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, regarding something I've found out for a proposal I made a couple months ago.
Kensuke Tanabe is credited as a producer for both Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!, and Donkey Kong Country Returns. In an Iwata Asks for the latter game, Tanabe states his favorite types of level featured the Rocket Barrel, which he claims to be a mechanic that "wasn't in the series before", without ever making a remark about a similar barrel-like rocket that appeared in the former game. These are from two games in the same franchise. If a producer doesn't see (or recall) an object from one game to be a reference from another game in the same series that they also worked on, how would a final boss from one game be a "clear reference" to a completely different game from a different subseries that just so happens to also share a producer? rend (talk) (edits) 23:05, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

I don't see how that proves anything? Kensuke Tanabe is a different guy, the rocket barrel is a comparatively more minor element of the game, and those games came out over a decade apart from each other (unlike here where it was a couple years). And anyway, I don't think the shared director is the main crux of the argument (contrary to Camwoodstock's claim), it's just an extra bit of circumstantial evidence to further suggest that the already observed similarities are less likely to just be coincidental. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 23:18, April 27, 2026 (UTC)

Another counterargument which came to mind regarding the matter is the simple fact that, aside from the title character himself, virually no pre-existing characters from either the Mario series, or the Wario series appear in Master of Disguise. So why would the developers choose to "parody" Princess Peach in a game that has almost no relation to the Mario franchise at all?

I mean, there's a non 0% chance that this game wasn't even initially supposed to include Wario in the first place, and he may have been added in later for marketing purposes. (Mind you, that's only a theory. But it does sound plausible...). Wandering Poplin (talk) 00:32, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

"Why would Wario reference a Mario character in a game with no Mario references" isn't really an argument against the character being based on Peach or not. I mean Wario being there himself proves that "Mario characters" are allowed, and a character being a reference to or based on another character does not mean that's the same character.

Why would Warioware Move it reference Cractus, a one time dead character from Wario Land 4 when the Warioware series has never directly referenced a Wario Land original?

Why would Mario 64 DS being back a Paper Mario character, Goomboss, for seemingly no reason? Why would Mario Party 7 make Paper Mario characters its hosts for seemingly no reason? When Paper Mario characters almost never appear in other Mario subseries?

Why would Wario Land 4 have Mr. Game & Watch as a princess?

Why would Super Princess Peach have a Starfy based enemy when the game has nothing to do with Starfy? Why would Wario himself be a major character in a Starfy game? (Incidentally the developer brought up here also works on the Starfy series)

Also, internally the developers of the game consider it similar to Wario Land, despite its differences. They even got the creator of the character Wario involved in some of his disguise designs. It's likely it was always intended to be a Wario game.

Rendumguy (talk) 02:49, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

Those are all well and good, but Terrormisu otherwise has nothing to do with Peach. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:55, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

@Rendumguy, You seem to have somewhat misinterpreted my point. I'm not arguing that "No Mario characters were allowed in the game, (Other than Wario) therefore, Tiaramisu cannot be based on Princess Peach."

What I meant was more along the lines of "Since very few pre-existing Mario elements appear in the game (Other than Wario), the chances of Tiaramisu specifically being based on Princess Peach, rather than just any generic 'pink pretty princess' are significantly lower." As stated in my vote, "There's only so many ways to draw a 'pink clad, blonde-haired princess' without her looking like a pre-existing character", and there's plenty of non-Mario princesses who tend to share a lot of her design traits, even within Nintendo itself. Directly stating in the article that this character is definitively based on Peach, without any sources other than theories, coincidences, and speculation, doesn't just contradict our good writing policy, it could potentially qualify as straight-up misinformation, which is the last thing we'd want on this wiki.

Also, regarding one of your points in particular, I'd like to remind you that the Shop owner is not currently considered to be "based on" Mr. Game & Watch. The article does note the resemblance, but it does not make any conclusive statements regarding the matter. Wandering Poplin (talk) 06:01, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

Why can't even Terrormisu's emotions being similar to Peach's be mentioned?

One, this is unrelated to the proposal, the proposal is if Terromisu is INSPIRED by Peach or not, not if they're similar, which is a completely different subject that is much easier to argue.

So why is it wrong to mention a notable "coincidence" (if you believe it's unintentional) like this?

It's worth mentioning that a character who looks just like Princess Peach uses the same emotions as Princess Peach, Calm, Joy, Rage, Sadness, with Sadness and rage even having the same elements of water and fire that Peach has.

Rendumguy (talk) 22:19, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

...because you opted to propose if it should be mentioned? Even if it was to pass, that wouldn't be permitted to be added to the page until it does pass. You can't just propose something, and then, in the middle of it being voted on, implement it anyways in the meantime. That's not how proposals work.

For the record, if the proposal were to fail, it would be acceptable to mention the link to Nōgaku theatre on both Terrormisu's page and the Vibe page, but outright linking the two together as a "reference" or otherwise wouldn't be acceptable, since that's what the proposal is about. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 22:24, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

No, I proposed that Terrormisu should be established to be based on Peach's design, nothing about that has to do with the emotions thing. Re read the proposal, I never mentioned it because I knew it would be a much more controversial proposal if I did. I even contemplated mentioning that this has nothing to do with the emotions thing.

Also, one of the Oppose votes supports mentioning the similarity between their emotions. Rendumguy (talk) 22:28, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

"For the record, if the proposal were to fail, it would be acceptable to mention the link to Nōgaku theatre on both Terrormisu's page and the Vibe page, but outright linking the two together as a "reference" or otherwise wouldn't be acceptable, since that's what the proposal is about."

The last edit wasn't linking it together as a "reference", it was just saying that this similar character had a similar gimmick to another one, not referring to whether or not it's a reference, something that many other articles on this site do...

There's a difference between saying something is "similar" and that it's a "reference". People disagree with it being a reference, fine, but saying that them sharing the exact same set of emotions is "similar" is just a detail about the character.

Rendumguy (talk) 22:34, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

...Okay, if "simply acknowledging the visual similarities, outside of any specific links to the vibes" was what was intended to be proposed, then something has gone fundamentally wrong with the proposal itself. Nobody in the prior conversation was telling you you can't acknowledge Princess Peach also has a pink dress, the problem was saying that the boss fight is, very specifically, a reference to Super Princess Peach's vibe mechanic. That much is an extrapolation that is a bridge too far, and relies on a definition of "reference" the wiki generally does not operate under. We assumed, and we reckon most other voters assumed, the proposal was about the "boss fight is a reference to vibes" thing, not "can we say her pink dress is like Peach's." ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 22:38, April 28, 2026 (UTC)

...Yeah, I too thought that the whole Super Princess Peach connection you kept bringing up in prior discussions was part of your proposal as well, and that because of that connection with the emotions (on top of the blonde hair and pink dress, of course), it would corroborate to your claim that Terrormisu is a clear reference/parody of Princess Peach instead of simply vaguely resembling her. I thought that the supposed connection to SPP and their respective uses of the Confucian emotions were a fundamental part of your claim and proposal. rend (talk) (edits) 22:53, April 28, 2026 (UTC)