Talk:Metro Kingdom

Metro Kingdom = New Donk City?

Isn't New Donk City just a part of Metro Kingdom, not the entire kingdom itself? That seems to be what Nintendo's implying, judging by the fact that they're given different names. If that's the case, this should be merged with New Donk City, as there could be locations within the Metro Kingdom other than New Donk City that Mario can visit that they haven't shown us at E3 (and to be on the safe side, the Power Moons should've just been listed on that page in the first place, anyway). Mario JC 00:28, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

I would agree that what is on here now should be merged, as the atlas shows New Donk City inside of the Metro Kingdom, so I don't think they are the same. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

Regarding the Donkey Kong game Tweet

I think how we've explained this Tweet sounds a little speculative. The city has referenced the original Donkey Kong game a few times, but I haven't seen anything that says this is the city were the game took place. While that may be true come Oct. 27th and that may be what it's hinting at, I can't tell that from the Tweet currently and definitively. 18:58, 12 October 2017 (EDT)

Well, now that the game has been released, we have footage of "A Traditional Festival", which is "a celebration of the history of our city", and it's DK themed. So that could mean that the whole Donkey Kong situation has happened in this city, in the past.

WarioLandGoldPiramid (talk)

Is it possible that Big Ape City is a place in the metro kingdom, and not New Donk City? -- 02:13, 6 November 2017 (EST)

Given that place doesn't exist in any franchise that I'm aware of, I don't think that question can be properly answered. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:23, 6 November 2017 (EST)

Donkey Kong Country: Rumble in the Jungle says Big Ape City is located on Donkey Kong Island, and that Cranky had fought Mario there. Tiptup Jr. 18:03, 26 November 2017 (EST)

I highly doubt that Donkey Kong takes place in NDC. JoeRunner (talk and stuff) 13:31, August 12, 2019 (EDT)

On the topic of real life references.....

Is it possible that the artificial island NDC is on is a reference to Ellis Island in New York/Jersey? --File:Strollin' Stu.png BoygeyMario File:SMS Smolderin' Stu.png 15:13, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

Gallery

you have enough images on that whole page that you should be able to give it it's own page gallery right? CappyThrow (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Nah, I don't think there's enough for that. Not in the main gallery section, anyway. 19:19, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Donkey Kong or Cranky Kong?

Right now the page has "New Donk City has also been implied to be the location of the events that take place in the arcade game Donkey Kong, where Mario had to save Pauline from Donkey Kong." But the pages on Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong both say it was Cranky Kong in those games. I suggest changing it to "New Donk City has also been implied to be the location of the events that take place in the arcade game Donkey Kong, where Mario had to save Pauline from Cranky Kong (then known as Donkey Kong)." or at the very least leave the text but change the link to Cranky Kong.

--98.208.105.179 18:04, November 16, 2020 (EST)

We cover that info primarily on DK's page, though. It's separation through identity/persona, if you will. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:58, November 16, 2020 (EST)

"Beginnings" vs. "History"

Moving this here to avoid further back-and-forth, I feel listing "beginnings" in reference to the canonical events of Donkey Kong, while that one line of dialogue states this, I'm a bit hesitant to include it as it is in the article, hence my use of "history" before it was altered.

It's pretty clear to me that the "beginnings" line is primarily intended to reference that the city itself is based on the arcade Donkey Kong, ultimately making it a meta joke. I dont think it was meant to imply anything deeper than "this is where the concept came from". Furthermore, the line is much more vague in Japanese, with it reading something like "you could say this is the origin of our city", I'd argue as the article is written now, it indicates it was literally founded as a result of DK kidnapping Pauline, which is not actually specified. When talking about Mario canon, the series itself plays it insanely fast and loose, so I feel it's best to leave things more vague in terms of the wording especially in regards to more meta jokes. What do others think? BubbleRevolution (talk) 14:55, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Your interpretation isn't reflected by the source. English says "beginnings" Japanese says "origin". We can use one of those two words, but we base it on the source.SuperMarioSuperShow (talk) 15:12, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

The Japanese version says you COULD SAY it is, not that it necessarily definitively is. That could imply that the city existed before that and that the event merely helped shape the city into its modern state, but it's not really expanded upon so it could be either one. Plus, other sources merely say "history", which is why I used that. Ultimately it's a metatextual reference and I altered it because saying "the construction site was built up into New Donk and that's where the city was founded", which the page previously implied, feels like a massive stretch. BubbleRevolution (talk) 18:02, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Interpreting it as a stretch, doesn't change the fact that these straightforward statements from the game are crystal clear. SuperMarioSuperShow (talk) 18:11, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Crystal clear in what regard? There are multiple ways to interpret the statement, be it intended to be figurative, literal, or merely just a meta joke, especially with the more ambiguous wording on the Japanese version. BubbleRevolution (talk) 18:17, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Split New Donk City?

Given the various appearances that New Donk City is getting since its release in Super Mario Odyssey, is it maybe worth it to split it into its own article a la Bowser's Castle and Peach's Castle? The original Metro Kingdom article could still be used for its appearance in Super Mario Odyssey, much like Bowser's Kingdom and Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey). rend (talk) (edits) 15:41, July 16, 2025 (EDT)

Makes sense to me. BubbleRevolution (talk) 16:21, July 16, 2025 (EDT)

Split Super Mario Odyssey information from Metro Kingdom article

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Split non-Super Mario Odyssey information into "New Donk City" article 12-0
As pointed out in the previous topic, New Donk City has appeared in numerous games now, so this article being structured with its emphasis on Super Mario Odyssey, with all the Odyssey oriented templates and organisation, is becoming more and more inconvenient for the presentation of the information. Information regarding the Mushroom Kingdom in Odyssey is split from the article on the location itself for this very reason, and as New Donk City appears in more and more titles, it is becoming apparent that the same needs to happen here.

Information of the course in Mario Golf is already split off, and it makes sense to me to leave it split off.

Since no other game seems to refer to the location as "Metro Kingdom" it might also be worth having the article about the location itself simply be named "New Donk City" instead.

I think the two ways of doing this are to either:

• Have two articles: Metro Kingdom, which outlines the Odyssey appearance, and New Donk City, which is for all other appearances and general info on the location. (since New Donk City is what it is referred to in all appearances outside Odyssey)
• Split Odyssey info into Metro Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey) and leave this page with general info and other appearances titled just Metro Kingdom. (what we do with the Mushroom Kingdom, however it is only referred to as the "Metro Kingdom" in Odyssey, I believe)

Proposer: YoYo (talk)
Deadline: July 31, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on July 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Split non-Super Mario Odyssey information into an article named "New Donk City"

1. YoYo (talk) Per proposal.
2. Arend (talk) New Donk City is the more commonly used name; per proposal.
3. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us, and it's in-line with how we handle stuff like Peach's Castle. Per proposal.
5. DryBonesBandit (talk) Per all.
6. Sorbetti (talk) Per all.
7. LadySophie17 (talk) Per all.
8. Technetium (talk) Per all.
9. Mario (talk) Makes sensey
10. Metalex123 (talk) Yeah makes sense. Per all.
11. BubbleRevolution (talk) Per all.
12. Altendo (talk) I don't even think it's called the "Metro Kingdom" outside of Odyssey.

Split Super Mario Odyssey information into an article named "Metro Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey)"

YoYo (talk) second option.