MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/56

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I know this is just one example, but this has been bugging me for quite a while since it's super inconsistent as to how we deal with these characters' names. For clarification, both of their Tattles refer to them by their stage names, and their real names are only occasionally brought up a few times at best. Proposer: Archivist Toadette (talk) Deadline: September 28, 2020, 23:59 GMT Rename Chanterelle to Pop Diva Archivist Toadette (talk) My preferred option, as per the analysis above. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per Tattle/common name, and also because Simon Belmont is more commonly known as "Simon" and there's a bit less conflict than the alternative. DarkNight (talk) Per Link. Ray Trace (talk) Per all. SmokedChili (talk) Per Japanese script where these two are known only as "Songstress" and "Songwriter" while "Chanterelle" and "Simon" appear to be localization inventions. Rename Master Poet to Simon Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) I prefer this, personally. Niiue (talk) Preferred option. Do nothing #Waluigi Time (talk) This definitely seems like something that should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis rather than a blanket one size fits all proposal. LinkTheLefty (talk) On the other hand, I'm also okay with this option because Chanterelle calls herself "a Pop Diva" at one point, implying there are others, but it could just be an inconsistent translation (as the script is also inconsistent if they should be "the Pop Diva/Master Poet" or just "Pop Diva/Master Poet"). Comments @Waluigi Time: This IS a single case. (T|C) 17:22, September 21, 2020 (EDT) @Waluigi Time: Yeah, I guess the initial name of this proposal confused you a bit. Reworded for accuracy. (T|C) 17:31, September 21, 2020 (EDT) Upload images from the base game along with remakes Template:ProposalOutcome So what we're going to do is replace the images from games like SMAS and SM3DAS with ones from their base game, but still keep the images in their gallery, like this: Template:Levelbox Put all the other images in the gallery. Put the other images here as the game they're from Proposer: DarkNight (talk) Deadline: September 30, 2020, 23:59 GMT Support DarkNight (talk) Per my proposal and what Doc said here. Waluigi Time (talk) Personally I think it makes more sense to prioritize showing the content in its original form, so agreed. Not to mention that thanks to Virtual Console and other re-releases, I'd argue that in the case of some remakes like All-Stars and 64 DS, the originals are more iconic and well-known at this point. Scrooge200 (talk) This always bugged me, especially with Yoshi's Island. LinkTheLefty (talk) Couldn't agree more. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) While admittedly not as bad as the "this is a thing, but only in the reissue" style of writing, this is still a change that would do nothing but benefit (especially since a lot of environment tiles were outright changed in the SMAS redraws). A lot of older screenshot uploading priority suffered from a (rather naïve) "these ones look better so it's all we need!" mentality. In a way, this proposal is in-line with my replacing of NES port cover images with arcade materials for arcade game infoboxes. Anyways, per proposal. Archivist Toadette (talk) See the Choosing a Favorite Snack article as a good example for how this would work. Niiue (talk) Per all. Keyblade Master (talk) Per all Alex95 (talk) - I assumed this is how it was already. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all. Mister Wu (talk) I agree, much better to show the original version of the content, as often references are based on it (like the Blue Toad in Super Mario 3D World), there’s still space in the pages to show how it was then remade. Superbound (talk) Same thoughts as Alex95. Per all Camwood777 (talk) Always thought it was weird how only SOME pages did this. I feel like remakes should be included just as much as their original counterparts. Flame Runner Funky Kong (talk) In my opinion there should be both the orginal and remade photos. Tails777 (talk) Don't we do basically the same thing with Mario Kart tracks? Original in the template box, reappearances in a gallery? I thought this was just supposed to be the normal. Per all. BBQ Turtle (talk) This makes a lot of sense really, like some of the other people here I'm surprised this wasn't already the standard. Oppose Comments I think the proposal would be better worked out if it was drafted as a change to the image use policy. I think your points need a bit more fleshing out before we can officially apply it, since the title itself is a bit too vague for my tastes. There is a bunch of other articles that do bother me since they use images not in the original game, such as Super Mario Bros. and its use of All-Stars map images but I generally agree with the premise of the proposal nonetheless. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:11, September 23, 2020 (EDT) FYI, I'm not going through the hassle of puttting {{proposal notice}} on every page that this proposal includes. --DarkNight 18:30, September 23, 2020 (EDT) Um, you don't have to? I've seen plenty of encompassing proposals come and went fine without requiring usage of that template. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:36, September 23, 2020 (EDT) It doesn't seem vague to me, the point is just to prioritize using images from the original games rather than remakes whenever possible. I don't really think there's much fleshing out to do there. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:38, September 23, 2020 (EDT) @Ray Trace. Well, that might have been because the template was unused for a long time, and I decided to start using it again. --DarkNight 19:07, September 23, 2020 (EDT) Question, would you prefer the non-base game's image also in the infobox along with the base game's instead of being in the gallery? --DarkNight 00:02, September 24, 2020 (EDT) Doesn't matter to me either way as long as the original image is the most prominent. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:26, September 26, 2020 (EDT) I recommend two template boxes next to each other or something like merging the two in a box if possible. -- HUMPNUT!!! 18:33, September 29, 2020 (EDT) That's what I basically just said three comments above, but I think the idea of just having the other image in the gallery is better, as Waluigi Time (talk) said that the base game's image should be the most prominent. --DarkNight 19:04, September 29, 2020 (EDT) What happens when there are two or more products that can be considered the base game? Is the version with higher resolution given priority for the infobox or do both releases get an infobox image? An example would Captain Toad Treasure Tracker's Switch and 3DS release, specifically the Super Mario Odyssey based levels. Salmancer (talk) 16:38, September 30, 2020 (EDT) If there are noticeable graphical changes, then we could try to fit both in the box. (BTW, I'll archive this at around 4:00 WST.) --DarkNight 17:51, September 30, 2020 (EDT) Determine if Link's Awakening is a guest appearance On the Super Mario Wiki, coverage on articles has the limit on both crossovers and guest appearances. A good example is Wario appearing in Densetsu no Stafy 3. Because Wario's role is essential to the game (he assists Starfy in the eighth stage), it gets an article. Wreck-It Ralph, on the other hand, doesn't get an article because while Bowser did make a physical appearance and he is visible, his role is too minor for an essay. Then comes The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening. Currently, on the wiki, that game only gets referential coverage because the "only" Mario elements in the game are that many of the enemies are Mario enemies, and no actual physical Mario characters play a significant role. Except, that's not true! While I never played the game myself, there is one moment in the game that needs a mention. At one point in the game, Link can meet Mamu, who is also known as Wart. This moment is him as he shares his Japanese name with him and looks like he does in the Mario games. Not only that, he teaches Link the "Frog's Song of Soul", meaning he plays an integral part in the game's plot. Unless this is an entirely different character from Wart, it's a character who has the same Japanese name as him, has the same appearance, and impacts the game's plot. Not to mention, Wart has become a Mario character at this point and not a Dream Factory character. As for how we would handle the article, if this does get approved, we'd list both the original game and the remake as one article since they're similar enough. Like all guest appearances, only the Mario elements will be mentioned in the article. Proposer: Wikiboy10 (talk) Deadline: October, 9, 2020, 23,59 GMT Guest appearance Wikiboy10 (talk) Per proposal. Cameo appearance Comments