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::A while back, I made a proposal about splitting a bunch of Donkey Kong Country Returns enemies that had 20 support votes and 0 oppose votes. It took nearly two years for all the necessary articles to be created, and that was only after I made a thread over on the forum. Even if the majority of them get attention, there's always one that slips through the cracks. {{User|GreenDisaster}} | ::A while back, I made a proposal about splitting a bunch of Donkey Kong Country Returns enemies that had 20 support votes and 0 oppose votes. It took nearly two years for all the necessary articles to be created, and that was only after I made a thread over on the forum. Even if the majority of them get attention, there's always one that slips through the cracks. {{User|GreenDisaster}} | ||
:::That's why I said it was a good idea. I also said, "Usually". We probably do need to make a section for passed proposals that didn't see action yet. {{User|LeftyGreenMario}} | :::That's why I said it was a good idea. I also said, "Usually". We probably do need to make a section for passed proposals that didn't see action yet. {{User|LeftyGreenMario}} | ||
===Accurate titles for files=== | |||
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">USE ACCURATE TITLES FOR FILE NAMES 21-0</span> | |||
I have noticed files with [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:530.jpg undescriptive names], [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:HappyFatty_9.png inappropriate names], and [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Babypeachyushee%27seyelandeees.png deliberately misspelled and practically unreadable ones]. Not only does this decrease professionalism and [[MarioWiki:Image Use Policy|violate the image policy]], but it also makes it more difficult to search for files (e.g. a search for filenames containing "toad" would leave out results if an undescriptive title was used). Even if these images are "only used once or twice", a descriptive title is still more useful. | |||
I am proposing that we go back and rename files used in mainspace/gallery/etc. ('Shroom and userspace would be exempt from this, basically) articles that are breaking the policy, as well as enforcing a standard based and possibly expanding on what is written in the image policy I linked beforehand. I would not be opposed to going back and helping with the work, assuming this proposal passes. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Turboo}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': May 5, 2013, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Turboo}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Hypnotoad}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} - Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|A Paragoomba and the Koopa Bros.}} - Per proposal, because names should be more clear and appropriate. | |||
#{{user|Kibago}} - I agree, specifically with the part about searching for files. Having fun is good and nice, but when functionality is compromised, that is when priorities must be set. | |||
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|King Pikante}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all. I used to like uploading retarded file names, but now, I don't. | |||
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} While I don't agree with the "professionalism" part (it can be both fun and presentable), we need standard and to-the-point file names instead of creative ones. I stopped making up my own file names a while ago. Also, per Walkazo's comment. | |||
#{{User|BowserJunior}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|ParaLemmy1234}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} — Per proposal, and Turboo and Kibago specifically. | |||
#{{User|Superchao}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per SMB. | |||
#{{User|ThePremiumYoshi}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Binarystep}} Per all. "Happy Fatty"? That's some serious BJAODN right there! | |||
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Oh god, "Babypeachyushee'seyelandeees". I cringe at the thought of doing that. I'm glad to god I decided to stop that while I had the chance. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Pinkie Pie}} Per all. I think to move 530.jpg to Koopa Bros Bowser Castle.jpg. | |||
#{{User|Mariotime11}} Per all. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
====Comments==== | |||
At [http://www.pidgi.net/wiki/Main_Page PidgiWiki], we have a [http://www.pidgi.net/wiki/PidgiWiki:Naming standard] which works well. What we do is put the subject of the image first, followed by a hyphen, and then the game/event is comes from. | |||
For example: "Bowser Artwork - Super Mario Bros." If there is an alternative image, we use "Bowser Artwork (alt) - Super Mario Bros.", "Bowser Artwork (alt 2) - Super Mario Bros.", etc. This could be a good way to go.--{{User|YoshiKong}} 05:17, 28 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I don't really like an idea of a naming standard, since that means we have to rename every single file in this wiki to match the standard. I think the best way to go is to at least make sure the image is descriptive, professional, and follows the image use policy. We don't need a single standard for this. {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
::If this proposal passes, we're going to be renaming all of the files anyways. I wouldn't be opposed to a standard naming convention, as long as it isn't too convoluted. {{User|GreenDisaster}} | |||
:::I don't think we should rename ''all'' the images, just the ones that seem to be in violation of policy. While YK's suggestion could work as a guideline placed on the image policy page (even then, like Walkazo said, we should focus on keeping names straightforward), I don't think we need to enforce it, especially since a lot of filenames work even if they're simply the name of the character or the location. - [[User:Turboo|Turboo]] ([[User talk:Turboo|talk]]) 18:46, 28 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
If we were the impose the standard, we should eliminate the "having fun part" since there is a degree where you may have fun uploading images, and it all depends on the user's personal idea what "fun" is. I know I might sound a wee bit sarcastic here since I did this crap in the past, but if we were to have more functional image files, we need to be as serious as writing articles on this. {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
:Removing the "fun" clause has actually come up in admin discussions before, but we never went back and actually got rid of it, but yeah, I'd agree that it'd be better without such a subjective point. As for the overall standard, I think making a rigid formula we have to follow ''or else'' would be a bad idea: as long as we can tell what the images are of, if there's some variety, it's not the end of the world. We ''could'' add more specific requests to the current "meaningful name" parameter, such as having the name of the game (or an abbreviation), what kind of image it is (profile art, screenshot, boxart, whatever), and what the image is of (name of the character in the profile, name of the level a screenshot it of and maybe some info about the shot, etc.). However, there should also be emphasis on making the names ''straightforward'': I'd argue that "''Bowser art SMB''" and "''Bowser art 2 SMB''" would be preferable to the ones YoshiKong suggested, since they're shorter and don't mess around with punctuation (brackets, dashes) and extra words ("alt"). Similarly, even if a screenshot contains Bowser, Mario and a Podoboo, something like "SMB screenshot end of 1-4" would be easier to use than "''SMB screenshot 1-4 Bowser, Mario and a Podoboo''"; or if a screenshot is of Mario and a Whacka, "''PM screenshot Whacka''" would be fine, since the Whacka's the important part. But again, most image names are fine even if they don't follow this sort of "what/kind/game" standard, and renaming them would be excessive and annoying, so even requesting those three things should be more of a guideline than a hard rule. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
At the [http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Friendship_is_Magic_Wiki My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic], they also don't use names like {{fakelink|File:HappyFatty 9.png}}. At that wiki, they use descriptive names for photos like [http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chrysalis_in_her_Cadance_disguise_S2E25.png this] {{User|Pinkie Pie}} | |||
:We don't follow wikias. Nevertheless, I think putting the description IN the file name is a bit unwieldly. I prefer the description to be reserved for the aboutfile. {{User|Baby Luigi}} | |||
::Yeah. Otherwise, the filename is too much of a mouthful. :P. {{User|UltraMario3000}} |
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Automatically Removing Fan Votes from FA NominationsAUTOMATICALLY REMOVE FAN VOTES 7-0 There have been far too many times where I have seen someone support or oppose the nomination or denomination of a featured article simply because of the fact that they like the character or enjoy the game or whatever. These kinds of votes have no place here, where articles are featured based on their ability to represent the best that the wiki has to offer, not on any personal preference. However, we still have to go through the process of getting three people, at least one of which has to be an admin, to vote to remove his vote and then waiting 24 hours before finally being able to remove it. Enough of these votes can stall either kind of nomination until they have no way of passing when they shouldn't even be there in the first place. So, what I propose is to outright disallow these kinds of votes from being used. If they are used, they're to be removed without going through the longer removal process (for unfeature nominations) or deleting the reasons and leaving the vote (for feature nominations). Proposer: GreenDisaster (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsMake an iPhone/iPad appDO NOT CREATE APP 1-14 My idea is to make an app for the iPhone or iPad that links you straight to the wiki. Since not entirely nessecary, it should be free. I got this idea because Khan Academy has the exact same thing as I'm suggesting. What's more, we'll be the FIRST wiki to do this! Proposer: Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) Make an app
Don't make an app
Comments@MortonBoo99--You can view and edit the wiki from those devices. In fact, I'm writing this from my iPod.--BowserJunior (talk) Even though I oppose the app, I think a mobile site might have some use (makes it easier to edit from mobile devices). I don't know though, you'll have to bring up anything like that with Porplemontage (talk).--Mariotime11 (talk) I agree with Mariotime11 Kamek the magikoopa (talk) Spoiler TemplateDO NOT ADD SPOILER TEMPLATES 1-15 I think we should use a template for articles that states that the page contains spoilers, a lot of other wikis have them. Like for example, what if someone was thinking of buying Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon and skimmed the article to read about it a little? The article has spoilers such as the game's ending right out in the open, so at least we should have a template we can put on SECTIONS that contain spoilers. Proposer: Mariotime11 (talk) Support
Oppose
Comments@MortonBoo99: I don't think you grasped the basic idea of the proposal. --YoshiKong (talk) 20:12, 1 April 2013 (EDT) Tell non-trolling IPS when their edits are undoneOPPOSE 1-15 I think that when we undo an edit from an anonymous IP that they should be notified, unless they are obviously a troll. This should happen because it means when they find out their edit has been undone they will have reasoning for why and so they'll know not to just add it back in. For example, today on the Yoshi's Island DS page, in the babies section, an IP address replaced the Yoshi Island DS Baby Mario and Baby Bowser sprite with their respective Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island sprites, this was undone and then a few minutes later they put it back and it had to undone again, if they told that their edit had been undone and were told why then it is likely that they would not have done it again. If the IP address is obviously just a troll then will not need to be notified about this, but for the honest people who just help out they do need to be notified. Proposer: Yoshi876 (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsYou could be more specific about what exactly will happen should this proposal pass. I mean, you are saying they should be notified, but how? If it is through normal messages on their talk pages, then I'm fairly sure this doesn't warrant a Proposal, but you could tell exactly what method should be used to notify them. --- ThePremiumYoshi (talk)
You know, if someone doesn't bother to create an account in the first place, chances are their interest in the wiki is already fleeting enough that they won't even care that their edit was undone. There's no need to bother these people with what they will most likely think is spam. - Kibago (talk) Notification for when watched pages are editedDON'T NOTIFY 5-15 You know how there's a banner that is on every page of the wiki whenever your talk page is edited, right? (the Mario article was used as an example) The "here" part would take you to the comparison window between the most recently-made edit and the edit right before it. Proposer: Goomba (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsWhat would be displayed if several pages which are on your watchlist have been changed since your last visit, rather than just one? Would it just show the most recent? --YoshiKong (talk) 03:15, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
@NSY I think profanity is not allowed here. Or am I wrong? newSMBU (talk)
I think it'll become a distraction. MortonBoo99 (talk) Allow Featuring/Unfeaturing Article Nominations to pass by majorityDO NOT ALLOW FEATURING/UNFEATURING ARTICLE NOMINATION BY MAJORITY 3-14 I'm pretty sure there has been several near-successful featuring or unfeaturing article nominations over the years that are unanimous, but right at the last moment, someone opposes it, and because of just one user, the entire thing fails. I wanted to change that by adding a rule that featuring/unfeaturing articles nominations must pass by 50% of the votes plus one. (i.e. 5 to 2, 7 to 3, etc.) It will be a better system and also show that more articles are in really good quality or that more articles need a dusting. Proposer: Goomba (talk) Support
Oppose
Comments@Yoshi876 Fan votes are automatically removed now, so that isn't a problem anymore. Goomba (talk) 04:58, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
Promotion/Demotion templatesDO NOT USE TEMPLATES 3-15 I think that we should have templates to alert a user that they have been promoted/demoted; it provides a quick reference on their talk page when they were changed. (Note that this is not changing the criteria for promotion in any way) The templates would look something like this:
Proposer: Mariotime11 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsEven though I supported, I know this will fail.
I actually wouldn't be opposed to this sort of thing. Then again I am kind of a sucker for tackiness (in moderation). - Kibago (talk) Delete Links to Passed Talk Page Proposals ONLY Until Action Has Been TakenLEAVE THE LINKS UP 10-0 Normally, when a talk page proposal passes, we delete the link to the talk page proposal in this page. The problem is that this may leave settled talk page proposals not done because the settled proposal basically is out of sight for many users. I remember one talk page proposal settled a long time ago and no action has been taken until years later; it may have been forgotten. Just recently, few users have taken action in splitting enemies in the Subspace Army article, and I'm wondering if people don't realize it or if they are too busy doing something else. My proposal is this: if a talk page proposal has passed, we should leave the link on the main proposal page until action has been taken according to the talk page proposal. And once the action has followed, then we can remove the link. That way, we know if action has been taken on that proposal or not. This is necessary so we ensure appropriate action has been taken when a talk page proposal has settled. This can also apply to more major proposals, but talk page proposals are the ones that need more awareness. Of course, exceptions can apply. Proposer: LeftyGreenMario (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsIsn't this what we normally do, anyways? That was the way it was at least a few months ago. GreenDisaster (talk)
For the bigger proposals, perhaps we could have a page where the passed proposals are moved to an archive specifically for proposals that haven't been taken into action yet? After whatever the proposal wanted to do has been done, it can be moved to the standard proposal archive. It would bring attention to proposals that haven't been put into effect, and wouldn't cause much cluttering. It's just a thought. GreenDisaster (talk)
Accurate titles for filesUSE ACCURATE TITLES FOR FILE NAMES 21-0 I have noticed files with undescriptive names, inappropriate names, and deliberately misspelled and practically unreadable ones. Not only does this decrease professionalism and violate the image policy, but it also makes it more difficult to search for files (e.g. a search for filenames containing "toad" would leave out results if an undescriptive title was used). Even if these images are "only used once or twice", a descriptive title is still more useful. I am proposing that we go back and rename files used in mainspace/gallery/etc. ('Shroom and userspace would be exempt from this, basically) articles that are breaking the policy, as well as enforcing a standard based and possibly expanding on what is written in the image policy I linked beforehand. I would not be opposed to going back and helping with the work, assuming this proposal passes. Proposer: Turboo (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsAt PidgiWiki, we have a standard which works well. What we do is put the subject of the image first, followed by a hyphen, and then the game/event is comes from. For example: "Bowser Artwork - Super Mario Bros." If there is an alternative image, we use "Bowser Artwork (alt) - Super Mario Bros.", "Bowser Artwork (alt 2) - Super Mario Bros.", etc. This could be a good way to go.--YoshiKong (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
If we were the impose the standard, we should eliminate the "having fun part" since there is a degree where you may have fun uploading images, and it all depends on the user's personal idea what "fun" is. I know I might sound a wee bit sarcastic here since I did this crap in the past, but if we were to have more functional image files, we need to be as serious as writing articles on this. Baby Luigi (talk)
At the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, they also don't use names like Template:Fakelink. At that wiki, they use descriptive names for photos like this Pinkie Pie (talk)
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