Talk:Mario & Luigi: Brothership

Developer

So, just to clarify, who exactly is developing this game if AlphaDream's been dead since the 2DS era? Was it not announced? User:Somethingone/sig 19:42, June 18, 2024 (EDT)

Not sure they have mentioned that yet, this may be one of those things we may neec to wait until much closer to release before we know for sure. Nightwicked Bowser 19:44, June 18, 2024 (EDT)

Locations

Should we add a locations tab at this point? We know of a few locations already, namely the brothership.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ukalik (talk).

Resurrecting this topic: The localized names for four of the locations that were just added have been revealed. “Grangran” is Rumbla Island, “Twiss” is Twistee Island, and two other islands are named Lottacoins Island and Desolatt Island.

Not sure why the page is protected but this clearly needs be updated. —AquaBat (talk) 12:11, September 3, 2024 (EDT)

Characters Gallery

Can we atleast use the Japanese name (Kanji and romanji names) of Zokket's army from the official Japanense site of the game until the official English name is revealed? --MushroomX20 (talk) 03:10, October 13, 2024 (EDT)

Ice Bro

The enemies section lists one enemy as an "Ice Bro", but it's obscured by explosion effects, and it looks more like a Boomerang Bro to me due to the dark-blue shoes. Maybe it's best to list it as "unknown Hammer Bro variant" instead. —Back Alley Guy (talk) 04:42, October 21, 2024 (EDT)

Mario Movie reference?

I'm sorry, but I feel the scene of Mario and Luigi flying through the portal to Concordia is just too similar to the scene in the Warp Zone from the Mario Movie for it not to be classified on the page. Defefefe (talk) 07:02, November 6, 2024 (EST)

Agreed man! It almost didn't seem too good to be true at first glance! There's even that one scene where Mario and Luigi deliver a big finishing punch together. A small snippet of that was shown in the overview trailer. It perfectly mirrors that Mario Movie scene of them delivering the finishing blow to Bowser under the Super Star effect. I don't understand how it could be deemed a coincidence! -User:Jude da Dude

While this' has't been added to the page, I do believe you are onto something. Besides, The Super Mario Bros. Movie affected other Mario games already; in Super Mario Bros. Wonder, Peach's hairstyle as Fire Peach changed to resemble the one from the movie, and that's not to mention the more animations in the game, seemingly inspired by the movie. Wonder Time!

Reorganising Antagonists List

Hmm, how should we reorder this, now we know Zokket isn't the leader of his forces? For example, the final boss should probably be included under villains, but I don't know if they'd count as Zokket's army, a third category or if we'd need to rename that category after them or something.

--Cheat-master30 (talk) 14:10, November 7, 2024 (EST)

Spelling Mistake

In the sections where it is featured, the Gulchrock Sea is misspelt as the Glutchrock Sea. If anyone is looking at this, please try and fix this issue. Shy Guy the Masked (User talk:Shy Guy the Masked). 13:59, November 24, 2024 (UCT)

I looked and didn't find this "Glutchrock" spelling anywhere. The only typo I did find was it being spelled as "Gulchrok", which I did correct. Feel free to edit any typos you notice yourself, btw. Technetium (talk) 09:17, November 24, 2024 (EST)

Make pages for side quests?

I was talking on the Discord about what pages need to still be made for Brothership coverage, and the question of whether each side quest should get its own article came up. I am of the opinion that they should, given the TTYD Trouble Center requests all get one, and like those each of the Brothership side quests has a name and specific rewards for completion. There are also pages for the Sparks of Hope side quests, now that I checked. So yeah, I'm fairly confident that we should do the same for Brothership, and that a proposal shouldn't be needed, but I thought I'd still bring it up here. Technetium (talk) 18:43, November 25, 2024 (EST)

Glohm Ice and Fire Bros. and Glohm Jet Zok Troopers

Glohm Jet Zok Troopers are in the files but in the table someone extracted: Skorcheen Ice Bro 439 Flame_Icebros_01_Trio Heatfreeze Ice Bro 393 Kandan_Icebros_01 Heatfreeze Ice Bro 405 Kandan_Icebros_01_Legion thing is i went to heatfreeze but couldn't find any glohm ones ok no kandan is "Heatfreeze Island (カンダーン島, Kandān-jima)" i don't see how to identify thte glohm versions as that file doesn't have any except 3 LetsPlayNintendoITA 17:08, November 29, 2024 (EST)

Scooby-Doo reference?

I found a screenshot of the game on Reddit (link provided), and the image shows Snoutlet saying "Zoinks...they pounced from outta nowhere." (An obvious reference to Shaggy Rogers from the Scooby-Doo franchise.) https://www.reddit.com/r/Mario/comments/1gzkojs/like_zoinks_scooby_doo_reference_in_a_mario_game/ Should this be in the "References to other media" section? 184.190.131.102 22:12, November 30, 2024 (EST)

Hydro Seedles

Are we sure that the Hydro Seedles in the second Monster Mania quest are regular ones? TV Tropes calls them Hydro Seedle Rs and [this video] calls them Hydro Seedle (Special) PrincessPeachFan (talk) 19:53, December 2, 2024 (EST)

They're special as they've the special property of the fight, but the name shown in game is Hydro Seedle. LetsPlayNintendoITA 20:05, December 2, 2024 (EST)

The video calls the Helmet Zok Trooper special too cause of their property in the fight. LetsPlayNintendoITA 20:06, December 2, 2024 (EST)

Peach kidnapped

Peach is kidnapped in this game, but in this game peach is not kidnapped by bowser or a new villain. Which is why it’s optional. 73.142.13.185 10:37, December 15, 2024 (EST)

It's optional because you can have Luigi get kidnapped by the Snaptors instead. Technetium (talk) 10:39, December 15, 2024 (EST)

Gossiping women

What names are used for the gossiping women on Shipshape? They definitely need an article, but I'd like to avoid using a conjectural name if possible. Technetium (talk) 12:44, January 2, 2025 (EST)

Which unnamed NPCs should get articles?

MarioWiki:Minor NPCs states that "if a minor NPC can be shown to have importance to the game or story, then the character warrants a conjectural name determined by the wiki and its own article." Besides the gossiping women (who definitely warrant an article and the question right now is what they should be called), there are many other minor NPCs who might deserve their own articles. I'd like to list the possibilities here so we can discuss each case - once we know who to make articles for, we can add them to the Brothership navigation box, giving us a clear indication of our progress on covering the game's characters.

Here are the possible characters I can think of right now - these conjectural names are not what would be used for the articles necessarily. Feel free to comment anymore I might've missed.

• Lottacoins Island cake maker (makes the cake for the wedding if you go with Shun's advice, though you can also totally ignore him if you don't listen to Shun)
• Slippenglide Island cake maker (same situation as above, but if you don't listen to Shun)
• The two flower crown guys (more wedding stuff)
• Explorer brothers (the guys on Allsand, they appear in multiple side quests)
• Bulbfish Island security guard (pretty important story wise, maybe security guard would count as a "name" here anyway…?)
• Security guard's brother (also plays a story role for Bulbfish and has a side quest)
• Lottacoins Island boss (his family getting kidnapped is a plot point on that island)
• One of the gossiping women's husbands (involved in a side quest iirc)
• The Club Dyode employee who hates Adaphne (based) (you need to talk to him to progress the story and get Adaphne out of the pool)
• Honestly a bunch more side quest characters, though I guess the thing there is that they could just be merged into the side quest page if they only ever appear in a single side quest

Technetium (talk) 12:44, January 2, 2025 (EST)

I do think very minor NPCs that only appear in side quests should be only mentioned in the List of Mario & Luigi: Brothership side quests article once we get that finished up. Characters that are connected to other characters that are important to the plot (like Ireen's mom) or appear semi-frequently (like the Explorer brothers) should get their own articles. I'm not sure about NPCs that only serve a super specific role in the plot, only for them to never be mentioned again, though.

TipoTimido! 15:49, January 5, 2025 (EST)

I Agree. also if there're a lot I'd do a separate page too LetsPlayNintendoITA 17:09, January 5, 2025 (EST)

well.. that aint true...
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tick838 (talk).

What is not true? Mario JC 20:16, January 14, 2025 (EST)

The Concordian species deserves its own article--Alternis (talk) 07:22, February 3, 2025 (EST)

I don't know, the article about Flipside/Flopside residents from Super Paper Mario was deleted a while ago and I don't think the Concordia species has an official name. Nightwicked Bowser 14:37, February 3, 2025 (EST)

I feel like the ones mentioned should get articles at least. They're relevant in multiple parts of the game, and probably have quite a bit of dialogue and what not. --Cheat-master30 (talk) 13:14, February 11, 2025 (EST)

I think the husband does have a "name" kinda: "gossiping woman's husband" in the description for An Invitation to the Spa. Technetium (talk) 13:16, February 11, 2025 (EST)

Bean list

Beans in this game are different in this game because they can't be found underground. However, beans are still limited, shouldn't someone make a list of bean locations so players can check if they found them all? 79.153.198.172 13:10, February 14, 2025 (EST)

Split groups of Bowser's Minions

This is referring specifically to each of the large groups where you have to take out all members at once: the Goom Battalion (Goombas), Koopa Troopa Paratroopa Joint Task Force (Koopa Paratroopas) and Bro. Brigade (Bro enemies; they're only fought in the optional gauntlet in Heatfreeze Island). I'm coming up with this idea since these groups are kind of notable members with official names and have a unique gimmick (constantly calling for backup) that other encounters with these enemies in the game doesn't have. Nightwicked Bowser 08:40, March 20, 2025 (EDT)

If they have in-game names, sure. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:09, April 3, 2025 (EDT)

Split groups of Bowser's Minions proposal

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

Do not split 1-5
As stated above, the Goom Battalion, Koopa Troopa Paratroopa Joint Task Force and Bro. Brigade have official names and call for backup if you don't wipe out all of them in the same turn. As such, they should be split.

Proposer: PrincessPeachFan (talk)
Deadline: June 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Goom de Koop, Support

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per proposal.

#Sorbetti Task Forces (talk) Per proposal and per Pentabros page.

Company Halt! Oppose

1. Camwoodstock (talk) If the Fly Guy Rs that have the Ultibed piece or the Anti Guy Unit can't have their own pages when they're a unique enemy formation used as a miniboss, and the 1337 H4MM3R BR0Z can't have their own pages when they have their own unique names, we can't think of many reasons to split these guys without also giving at least one of those a page, we're sorry. We don't know how irrational that is, as admittedly we have yet to play Brothership, but we are having a hard time justifying this split without thinking of other things we already decided should be merged.
2. Sorbetti (talk) Sorry, but Camwoodstock has a point here, if the others couldn't do this either, however I fully support the idea that these groups should have their own pages, but we need to change how the wiki handles these groups, with a larger proposal.
3. Power Flotzo (talk) Per Camwoodstock and Sorbetti.
4. Jdtendo (talk) I actually played Brothership, and the way Bowsers' troops are named felt more like a gimmick than an acknowledgement of proper army units.
5. Altendo (talk) Per all.

We need backup! Comments

i'm not really familiar with Brothership, can you add any explanations or examples of what they're like? — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 00:00, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

As said above, all three battles are ones where you have to wipe out all the enemies in one turn or they will call for backup to replace the ones you've beaten. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:03, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

Are they treated as like, miniboss encounters (with distinct music from the ordinary battle theme), or are they just set encounters with an added rule to them? ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 17:06, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

No, they don't, but there are similar pages like Pentabros which are a group of enemies with dialogues and history. Sorbetti (talk) 19:07, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

@PrincessPeachFan I think you should include Bob-omb Platoon, although they don't call reinforcements they are an introduction to the mechanics of the Bob-ombs and have their dialogues well established. Sorbetti (talk) 16:33, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

I'm not voting yet, but these groups (except Bro. Brigade) can be encountered twice, with a mandatory fight on Slippenglide Island and an optional encounter when returning to Heatfreeze Island. The battle music does not change for these encounters, and thus they're just groups of enemies that can summon more. We do have pages on the Glitz Pit teams though, and this is a similar case. Sparks (talk) 19:54, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

I don't think it was specified that these were unique, they are enemy formations that have names. We have several pages like this and we are no making an exception. Sorbetti (talk) 20:43, June 3, 2025 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock, @Sorbetti: Thing is, plenty of other enemy formations with unique dialogue and history such as the Pentabros which have pages no problem. Should we get rid of those pages too? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 06:54, June 5, 2025 (EDT)

The Pentabros should probably also be merged, per the same reason the Anti Guy Unit is merged. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 17:29, June 5, 2025 (EDT)

The recently split Chargin' Chuck Corps comes to mind too. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:00, June 6, 2025 (EDT)

I was wondering that too, but that group acts as a boss, something that has more relevance in the story. Sorbetti (talk) 11:07, June 7, 2025 (EDT)

The Fly Guys R in question don't have unique mechanics from other Fly Guys R. So that's one thing those Fly Guys R don't have that these groups do. The 1337 Bros. similarly don't have unique mechanics from other Hammer Bros. because they're the only Hammer Bros. in the game, much like Wiggler (Sticker Star) doesn't get to have a page even though its Segments absolutely do have unique mechanics because there are no standard Wigglers in that game. Salmancer (talk) 15:10, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

Which generative AI wrote this game?

Look at List of Mario & Luigi: Brothership staff. Tell me you see a human writer credited there.

The developer interviews go at length that they hired an external story-writing company (I assume Gekko, since they're credited for other bargain-bin RPGs and the other Special Thanks companies are for recording studios and such). They kept sending in story submissions that did not match the tone of the story at all, which reads to me like someone just typed in "Bing give me 10 ideas for a Mario RPG".

Whatever it turns out to be (like Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot, etc), should it get an article? Scrooge200 (talk) 16:16, July 24, 2025 (EDT)

Currently, there is no evidence generative AI was used in the writing process or any other aspect of the game. If you find any evidence, feel free to bring it up in this talk page in the future. For now, this is entirely speculative, and doesn't warrant the use of the Talk template. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 10:52, July 26, 2025 (EDT)

I don't think there are specific story-related branches in a studio covered in credits in general, which even if it's the case, outsourced credits are even trickier to pinpoint. Another issue I have is, while I don't intend offense, the rhetoric and word choice of this question, alongside the clear opinions expressed on the userpage and suggested in the parentheses, comes off as personal gripes and axe-grinding for a game that wasn't enjoyed, influencing information seeking. If you want me to be honest with you, I don't think it's productive to have this conversation. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:10, July 26, 2025 (EDT)

The story writing company struggled to come up with something fitting, and Gekko Inc. is known for being a story mill for bargain-bin RPGs, it's so out of place for the series. I don't believe that the game's preachy moral of "Mario & Luigi vs. EVIL SOCIAL MEDIA" was thought up by a human. Plus, we know the game's development was rushed and they didn't have time to iron everything out, so I can see them resorting to Gen AI just to have something, since Acquire wanted the story and gameplay to be developed at the same time. Besides, even if Nintendo claims they apparently won't use AI for now, Acquire forced their hand at so much that screwed this game over (that's why you can't control Luigi). I'm surprised nobody just gave them a fidget spinner and told them to wait in the car.

I'm looking for genuine answers here because this has bothered me since I first played the game. Can we find proof that Gekko Inc or Acquire or someone on them uses Gen AI? I found on MobyGames the names of a few Gekko staff members, which makes me wonder why Brothership couldn't have credited them either. Scrooge200 (talk) 16:45, July 26, 2025 (EDT)

I believe I'm just repeating what Mario said above, but really, this comes across as you venting your dislike for the game than any serious matter that merits wiki resources. You present no evidence for the game using any kind of Generative AI beside "I think the story is bad and has a lame message" ("They outsourced the script to a third-party" doesn't even rate as "circumstantial"). If you wish to talk about how much the writing of Mario & Luigi Brothership fucking sucks, there is a whole wild word of social media (including our own forum) for that purpose. --Glowsquid (talk) 17:30, July 26, 2025 (EDT)

No worries at all — I appreciate you taking the time to clarify! I actually agree with a lot of what you said. It’s true that large companies like Nintendo have a lot of oversight, and even if they weren't directly involved in that specific part of development, it’s unlikely they’d allow something as major as AI-written narrative to slip through without scrutiny.

The lack of clear credits is frustrating, but yeah, that doesn't automatically point to AI — plenty of projects still under-credit or vaguely list writing roles, unfortunately. And you're right: regardless of whether the story works for everyone, it clearly had a lot of moving parts and coordination behind it.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts — nothing came off as rude at all! Scrooge200 (talk) 20:31, July 26, 2025 (EDT)