MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
2. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
   • Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
   • Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
   • Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
6. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
7. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
10. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
12. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
13. Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
14. If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
15. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

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===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what you want this Proposal to be like, what changes you would suggest and what this is about]

'''Proposer:''' {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' [insert a deadline here, f.e. "5 January, 2010, 17:00". Rule 2 above explains how to determine a deadline]

====Support====

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

CURRENTLY: 06:37, 13 May 2024 (EDT)

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in alphabetical order. All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3, 4 and 5, as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one.
4. Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
5. After two weeks, a clear majority of three votes is required. Without the majority, the talk page proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM".
6. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

NOTE: Disorganized talk page proposals created before the current system may be running much longer than the standard two week voting period. In place of a deadline, these are marked as "overtime" and require immediate attention and resolution.

• Merge Cobalt Shard into Cobalt Star. (Discuss) Deadline: 6 January 2010, 17:00
• Merge Dancing Spear Guy into Spear Guy. (Discuss) Overtime
• Merge Dried Blooper into Bubble Blooper. (Discuss) Deadline: 5 January 2010, 17:00
• Merge Elevator Key (X-Naut) into Elevator Key. (Discuss) Deadline: 9 January 2010, 20:00
• Merge Fiery Bubble into Podoboo. (Discuss) Deadline: 9 January 2010, 20:00
• Merge the Luigi's Mansion elemental ghosts. (Discuss) Deadline: 3 January 2010, 15:00
  • Fire Elemental Ghost
  • Water Elemental Ghost
  • Ice Elemental Ghost
• Merge Gadd Science, Incorporated into List of Implied Organizations. (Discuss) Deadline: 9 January 2010, 20:00
• Merge Item Block into Used Block. (Discuss) Deadline: 17 January 2010, 15:00
• Merge Mario's Shirt into Mario, or simply delete it and ban the creation of any other page concerning clothing that does not affect gameplay. (Discuss) Deadline: 9 January 2010, 20:00
• Merge Maude and Flo into a single page, Template:Fakelink. (Discuss) Overtime
• Reorganize the "Metal" pages so that all information pertaining to the forms in general are found on Metal Mario, whereas metal characters get stand-alone articles. - Overtime
  • Merge Metal Wario into Metal Mario. (Discuss)
  • Split Metal Mario into Template:Fakelink and Template:Fakelink. (Discuss)
  • Move form aspects of Metal Luigi into Metal Mario, leaving information pertaining to the character in Super Smash Bros. Melee on the Metal Luigi article. (Mentioned in above Discussion pages.)
• Merge Tentacle into Blooper. (Discuss) Deadline: 15 January 2010, 20:00
• Merge Ultra Shroom into Ultra Mushroom. (Discuss) Deadline: 5 January 2010, 17:00

New Features

Mario Wiki Pulse

I suggest to put a new section on the main page, it shall be called the "Mario Wiki Pulse". Basically it's just something that shows either the top five or twelve articles most seen in that week.

note: if this is not possible to do then remove this proposal.

Proposer: Zero777 (talk)
Deadline: 7 January 2010, 15:00

Give it a Pulse

1. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Well there wasn't that much to say since it is so simple but it is a good idea. Zero signing out.

Let it pass....... away

1. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) A really bad article may end up getting on the front page which may give the wiki a bad reputation. There is a reason why we have featured articles, it's to make us look great. But having bad articles on the main page isn't so great. Besides, there may be a possible repeat of the featured article on the list. And I don't see any point on what article gets seen the most. We are here to provide information, not to showcase what articles were the most viewed this week or whatsoever.
2. Edofenrir (talk) - The basic idea is good, but there might be a slight problem. I think most people come here for, well, the main content. What would we do to prevent articles like Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Wario, or the most recently released game from occupying the list overly long? I'm gonna think aloud for a moment: Perhaps we could take on this matter the other way 'round. Instead of highlighting the articles that already have tons of attention, we could highlight some really obscure and overseen articles. It could even benefit the wiki itself, if our editors come across these articles and improve them. My (weird) thoughts to that subject.
3. Fawfulfury65 (talk) Changed my mind. Per BLOF.
4. Walkazo (talk) - We already have FAs, so adding another list of pages people should look at to the crowded Main Page seems like overkill. The Wiki Community box already lists pages and projects that need contributors, so Edofenrir's reverse idea is also unnecessary. It just seems like extra work with very little to show for it; we'd be better off focusing on fixing the pages straight away.
5. Paper Boo Guy (talk) Per BLOF.
6. Supermariofan14 (talk) Per BLOF, too.
7. T.c.w7468 (talk) Per all.

Comments

Fawfulfury65: Sorry, but "I like this idea" is not a reason why you should support. Please list your reason why you support this proposal. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

I think I like this idea, this could be interesting. BLOF, I don't think there's a problem with having bad articles on the Main Page. There's already the "Pages Seeking Contributors" section where we list bad articles, after all. Also, our most important article, which may be the most-viewed one, is quite bad actually. It may help to improve those articles, so why not? There's still one problem though: We already have a lot of stuff on the Main Page. A way to solve this would be to get rid of the Featured Image section. We hardly had any new nominations recently, looks like we're running out of good images, so I think it's time to say good-bye to it. If you modify your proposal so that we replace the Featured Images with the "Pulse", and if it's realizable technically, you have my vote. Time Q (talk)

@Edo: Not a bad idea either. Another idea that comes to my mind is to put articles on the Main Page that have the most increasing number of views compared to the previous week (so we wouldn't have articles like Mario that always have a large number of views but rather articles about current topics of interest). But I doubt this is possible technically. Time Q (talk)

@Walkazo: I wasn't talking about pages without many contributors, I was talking about pages that get overlooked by our visitors because they are too obscure (don't confuse it with badly-written). Pages with very few views. It doesn't matter though, because I wanted to open new possibilities for this didcussion. - Edofenrir (talk)

Edo: I feel like that idea would likely result in a list of(or very similar to a list of) the newest articles in the wiki. The real target for your idea would be pages that have been around for months/years that have only been viewed a few hundred times, correct? Garlic Man (talk)

Yes, old pages that nobody visits (probably because their existence is not well-known). What I was trying to say is, if we're going to highlight something (please note the "if"), then it should be those articles. Because, why should someone advertise something that already has masses of attention? - Edofenrir (talk)

People might not be visiting those pages because their topics aren't very interesting, in which case asking people to come to them is futile because they'll probably just leave again. Also, if a page's subject matter isn't well-known, it will be difficult for most people to write about it, and again, calling their attention to the article will not help things very much. "If you build it, they will come" is the cliché that comes to mind for these pages: people who are interested in the obscure things will find their way to the articles on their own (a stub will still register in Google searches); it may take some time, but someone will show enthusiasm for editing the neglected pages eventually. - Walkazo (talk)

Talk Pages Needing Answers

Not the best name for it, but that's all I can come up with. Anyways, this proposal is to add a little part in the MarioWiki Community section that addresses two talk pages who have an unanswered question. Some of these questions have been on the Mario Wiki for at least a year now, and I'm pretty sure somebody will be able to answer these questions. The thing is, there aren't many talk pages with the talk template, and it's hard to figure out which ones have a question. So, since we already address articles that are stubs, I feel that without this, more and more questions will come-and stay-unanswered.

Proposer: Reversinator (talk)
Deadline: 9 January, 2010, 20:00

Add Feature

1. Reversinator (talk) Per proposal.
2. Supermariofan14 (talk) I need answers!
3. Fawfulfury65 (talk) This would be good, because no one ever notices talk page questions.
4. MATEOELBACAN (talk) Per Reversinator

Comments

Y'know, theoretically we already have Category:Unresolved talk pages, which lists talk pages with open questions. The practical problem you mentioned, concerning that many of talk pages with questions lack Template:Talk, can hardly be solved by a Proposal. You need to encourage the users themselves to use this template with more confidence. - Edofenrir (talk)

I know about the category. But the thing is, a lot of people don't know about the template and as a result, don't know about the category. My proposal would bring more awareness to them. And I'm not saying that my proposal will answer the questions. I'm just saying it would address them in a more visible fashion. And how do I encourage users? What, I go up to their talk page and say "Hey, if you have a question, make sure to use Template:Talk"? Reversinator (talk)

I don't think another link to unresolved talk pages is necessary, since as far as I know they're already linked to on the Wiki Maintenance page. I do agree that the template is probably not used enough though. Not sure how possible this is, but maybe it could be mentioned in Help:Communication; the help page is linked to in the welcome template and tells people how to use talk pages, but as far as I'm aware does not currently mention the Talk template. It wouldn't seem out of place imo for the template to be mentioned there; just a suggestion though.--vellidragon (talk)

I think this is a good idea.

And about the whole issue itself: I don't think a Proposal about this subject is necessary (yet). Everything you've addressed could also be put into a suggestion on the respective talk page. consider to swap those. - Edofenrir (talk)

If a Sysop sees your suggestion and likes your idea, it might get realized shortly after. We (including myself) tend to hold a lot of Proposals for such things that easily could be suggested otherwise lately. - Edofenrir (talk)

I felt free to apply vellidragon's suggestion to this page. I hope it looks appropriate for everyone this way. - Edofenrir (talk)

We could get rid of the "... have at least one section under construction" line on the MarioWiki Community template and replace it by unresolved talk page questions. Naming articles under construction on the Main Page makes no sense at all IMO, since usually someone is working on them and they do NOT need other contributors at the moment. Time Q (talk)

If I recall correctly there are construction templates on pages that remained untouched for quite some time, but that's beside the point. You are basically right, we should

Removals

Remove Featured Images From Main Page

I propose to set the Featured Images project on hiatus - that is, to cancel the process of selecting a Featured Image each week and featuring it on the Main Page. I'm well aware that many users like this project, so please consider my arguments before voting:

• The project was extremely inactive lately. For example, the last non-maintenance edit on the FI page was three days ago, compared to dozens of edits a day some time ago. The last nominated image was added even 15 days ago, when we had several new images a day some time ago. And currently we have only 4 nominated images, in contrast to 15 or more images some time ago. It simply seems like we're running out of good images to feature which - if we don't do anything about it - will lead to the situation that we have to feature a bad image just because there are no better ones available.
• The idea of Featured Images is questionable in itself. While it makes sense to feature articles (because they're our own work as a wiki), it makes little sense to feature images which are only the work of Nintendo or other companies, but not of our wiki.

You may wonder what we will do with the new-won space on the Main Page if this proposal passes. Well, I do not propose anything, but there's already a lot of stuff on the Main Page so we don't necessarily have to replace the FI by anything. But of course we can put something different in its place if anyone has a good idea.

Proposer: Time Q (talk)
Deadline: January 10, 2010, 15:00

Get Rid of It

1. Time Q (talk): Per the reasons given above.
2. Cobold (talk) - the images are not our work, so we should not just pic a "good image" and upload it there. It does not compare to featured articles this way. Maybe we could use the gained space to advertise the wiki a bit more, e.g.: what tells us apart from the Mario Wikia or what subjects are still eagerly looking for contributors (like most of the Game Boy games), as new visitors are likely to only scan through the most popular games and find that they are all already done.
3. Edofenrir (talk) - I agree with Cobold. I also never really grew accustomed to the FI nomination system in general.
4. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. I always thought it was unnecessary.
5. Bloc Partier (talk) - Per all. Ever since we had a stolen image featured in it, I thought it was worthless.
6. Super Mario Bros. (talk) YES! I don't like how the process goes (that is why I stopped editing the FI nominations page for a long time). Before we continue the project, we need a massive reform of the project: although the project is, essentially, full of bias, the state it is in now is horrendous. We have fan votes like "ZOMG DK is in the image so its an instanant vot3 fr0m me!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111" and other stupid pointless votes like that. We need to have a way to clear the detrimental bias from the system as well as get the project more active and able to help the wiki. Also, I extemely agree with Cobold. Perhaps we could create a supplement to the Featured Image project on The 'Shroom. The bias could go into the votes if done like that because The 'Shroom is a community project, not our main hub.
7. T.c.w7468 (talk) Per all.
8. Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) Per all.

Keep It

1. Fawfulfury65 (talk) I think the FIs give the main page a colorful touch. To me, it seems like there are still many great pictures out there that are just waiting to be featured, and as more games are released, so will more great artwork. Without FIs the main page would look too bland for me.
2. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) - It brings us things that FF65 said above. We can't get rid of it. Why do we need a new image each week? We don't have a new FA every week. We can always reuse some, and that way we won't run low on images, won't use bad ones, and we always see some of our favorite images each week. Other wikia's do this, and why not, we do that with FA's...
3. Supermariofan14 (talk) Per Fawfulfury.
4. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Unlike what SMB said, I haven't seen a lot of fan votes compared to featured articles. Ok then, to my point, removing the FI would make our wiki main page text, text, one image from the news, one image from featured article, hmmm, oh yeah, more text! Per Fawful's Fury sixty-five and the Baby Mario/Blooper hybrid.
5. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! There is still a lot of good images to nominate even if there screenshots. And like FawfulFury65 said it gives a colorful look to the main page ever since the polls were removed. Zero signing out.
6. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I don't like this idea. I think there is still a good amount of images not unearthed in the wiki. Besides, there might be great and newer images in the future when more games come out. Besides, the closest thing to a fan vote I've seen was on that hideous Yoshi group picture (the white background). A lot of people voted on that "just because Yoshi is in." Otherwise, the votes are not so bad compared to some of the Featured Articles' ones. And I don't like those ideas to replace the Featured Image spot :P. Per all.

Comments

What will happen to the currently nominated images? Will we continue to vote on them and not allow any more images to be nominated, or just yank the project effective immediately? - Walkazo (talk)

I was thinking to yank it immediately (before this proposal passes, or if it does, however, we will regularly feature one more image on Thursday). Time Q (talk)

@Fawfulfury65: The Featured Images haven't been there for that long, and the Main Page worked great before we had them. As you can see, almost no new images were nominated lately, so this will likely lead to a bad image on the Main Page if we continue the project. However, if it turns out that there are really lots of more images that should be featured, we could bring the project back. It's not like it's lost forever if this proposal passes. Time Q (talk)

In order to vote, I need to see how will the Main Page will look after we remove this. Tucayo (talk)

We can make it so that there is a new FI every month so we don't run out of FIs too fast... That's all I can think of, but I really don't want to put the FI system on hiatus because its the only thing I usually enjoy on the Main Page. How long will it be gone anyway? Fawfulfury65 (talk)

I can already see people complain how boring it is to have the image changed only once in a month. This would probably prevent bad images from being featured, but we should better get rid of it completely. Time Q (talk)

THis is ironcial, we take polls because they are way too active, and now you want to take this because it is not very active. In FA's, the same articles are used again and again, we could do the same. Tucayo (talk)

Although I do agree that the voting system is weird, I think the idea of Featured Images is still good, and hope that we can come up with a better way to make this work and bring it back, if it does go to hiatus. I also agree with Tucayo's second comment, about circulating featured images on the main page. @TimeQ's proposal: Even if featured images may not be our "own work", great images, be they artwork or screenshots, serve as a very good appeal to the Mario series itself. Garlic Man (talk)

I agree with the above comment. The games aren't our work either, we simply take them from other resources or just by playing the games and implement them into an article. The images are part of the Mario series, we are a Mario wiki, so I think that it would make our wiki look nicer and more visually appealing. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

I'm not a Baby Mario/Blooper hybrid (sigh). Anyways, every featured FA has more than enough images. Getting rid of FI's is like taking away images off a page. All would be text, and we would see no color, no interesting things to point us out. That would be the main page if we got rid of it. Also, do we play Mario games with lots of images? I don't think we play it like we read a novel. Baby Mario Bloops (talk)

As I already said, we have had the Featured Images only since last April, which means the Main Page existed for years without them and worked perfectly. I understand that you can't imagine it since you probably joined after we started the FIs, but it's true. And no, you cannot compare it to taking away images off a page at all. Time Q (talk)

We don't feature games, we feature articles, that's a different thing. But we do feature images which is kind of strange considering we were not involved at all in their creation. Time Q (talk)

Here's a concept, we keep all the archived images and the current FI, and start playing them again, starting with the first one and continuing until the current image resurfaces, at which point the cycle repeats itself. I know this disagrees with the second part of the proposal, but I think it could work. Any objections? Timmy Tim (talk)

While this would be better than continuing the project like it is, I think it would still be boring to just repeat the same images. Why not put something completely different on the Main Page in place of the FIs? Of course, we can still keep the archive of already featured images, so they won't be lost. Time Q (talk)

Time Q: We are dismantling the Main Page slowly. The QOTD, the Affiliates thing (well, that was Steve), the Calendar.... This would leave a huge gap in the MP, and unless I am shown how will it be accomodated, I would have to oppose. Tucayo (talk)

Splits & Merges

Please note: From here on out, no new splits or merges will be accepted in this area. All splits and merges must be done on talk pages, as this section is reserved for talk page proposals.

Changes

None at the moment

Miscellaneous

Use Present tense for In-game elements/events

As I edit articles, I see in-game events being told in past tense(ex. "Level 4 consisted of these enemies..."), present tense(ex. "The boss of Level 4 is..."), and even future tense(ex. "The player will then encounter Donkey Kong..."). Some articles use multiple tenses in the same paragraph which, obviously, is grammatically incorrect and looks unproffesional. Of course, actual events in real life that happened in the past or will happen in the future should be their respective tenses. But in-game events, which happen each time somebody plays the game, should be in present tense.

To enforce/clarify this, creating a policy may be a good idea as well should the proposal pass.(Read EDIT below) This would help people to write articles in present tense when creating a new one, as well as edit existing articles to match the policy.

EDIT: Should the proposal pass, a guideline will likely be added to the existing Manual of Style policy, rather than a separate policy.

Proposer: Garlic Man (talk)
Deadline: 6 January 2010, 17:00

Support

1. Garlic Man (talk)
2. Edofenrir (talk) - I have waited a long time for such a proposal! Splendid! Per Garlic Man!
3. vellidragon (talk) - I was thinking about making this exact proposal earlier today, but I wasn't sure if there was already a guideline like this. I've come across unfitting past tense phrases in a lot of articles, mainly those about recurring enemies. Using past tense to describe how an enemy acts in a game makes it seem as if that game didn't exist anymore, or nobody could play it anymore, which is obviously not the case. I've been fixing some of it here and there, but there's a lot more of it still. If no guideline like this exists yet, there definitely should be one.
4. Grandy02 (talk) - I admit that I wrote several articles in past tense (especially when related to the WarioWare cutscenes), but my views have changed. Pure fiction should be handled as such and there really needs to be a guideline.
5. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I'm always wondering what tense should I write in when it comes to revising articles (most of the time, I use past tense, because I probably think that the game event already happened). This proposal is necessary.
6. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Hmmm I never notice that, but you are correct, using a combination of past, present, and future ghost tense is very unprofessional. Zero signing out.
7. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) per LeftyGreenFatMan (not an insult, I know my sister, she won't take that as an insult). No variety is allowed when it comes to tenses, according to the grammar rules. I was pondering what tense to write in, and this is the solution.
8. Redstar (talk) - Per my annoyance at in-article tense-jumping and not knowing which way to standardize it.
9. Gamefreak75 (talk) Per all.
10. Supermariofan14 (talk) Pel all.
11. FD09 While there are some more important things the manual of style needs this is very important.
12. Tucayo (talk) - Per Vellidragon and his/her comments.

Comments

I don't see what's wrong with the future tense example in your proposal description. IMO, some variety can't hurt. Time Q (talk)

Look at the talk page for Lou Albano. Apparently, with real life people, if they die, then the article must be changed to the past tense. Reversinator (talk)

Time Q: Grammar doesn't allow variety when it comes to tenses. If it's present tense, for example, then the whole article has to be present tense. LeftyGreenMario (talk)

Well, I think we should use the tense that is used here. I rewrote that article because it was in present simple and sounded really bad. I think that some sentences as :"The MEssage Block provides" are correctly written in present, but some other as "The fourth Dragon coin can be found" should use that tense. Present perfect, IIRC. ANyways, both are presents. Tucayo (talk)

"...can be found" is simple present as well, it's just a passive construction. Present Perfect is a construction with "has/have", i.e. "has been found". Present Perfect can also be used in a Simple Present text quite well; "after Mario has [done something], he can" etc. It's mostly a matter of how tenses are used really; "Mario has completed the level" etc. could not be used in a Simple Present text. I guess the guideline/policy/whatever shouldn't limit the tense to Simple Present (that would actually exclude Present Progressive as well, which can be useful in some cases), but simply require that the overall text should be in the "present".--vellidragon (talk)

Nice, thanks. And also, the article said before things like :"After a couple of more Rex and the second Dragon Coin, a Super Mushroom pops out of a bush when the player passes. That sounds really bad, as well as unprofessional. Wll those things be allowed? Tucayo (talk)

The fact that that sentence sounds bad doesn't seem to have much to do with the tense. It should go without saying imo that articles should be well-written; the proposal's point appears to be that in-game events should be treated as such, taking into consideration they're going to occur everytime someone plays the game.--vellidragon (talk)

Reversinator: Biographies and such that describe real life events that happened in the past should be past tense(ex. "Brawl was released the following year..."). Garlic Man (talk)

But what would you put if you want to say Mario will fight a boss after going through an area full of spikes? Supermariofan14 (talk)

"The player then must fight a boss after going through an area full of spikes". Garlic Man (talk)

I used "will" several times in the last articles I wrote. For example "They will not leave their place until Wario comes near", "When the treasure hunter does so, Shieragutchi will quickly move up", or "For defeating a Yukiotoko, Wario will be rewarded with a Bronze Coin." Would these sentences have to be rewritten as well? --Grandy02 (talk)

Yes. They would become something along the lines of these: "They do not leave their place until Wario comes near", "When the treasure hunter does so, Shieragutchi quickly moves up", and "For defeating a Yukiotoko, Wario is rewarded with a Bronze Coin." A good example of what the proposal is aiming for is the plot section of the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door article. -Garlic Man (talk)

The proposal has a minor change. I just remembered about the Manual of Style policy, and that's where this rule would go, not a policy in itself. Garlic Man (talk)

I agree with Time Q in that variety can't hurt - as long as it is done well, which it usually isn't, sadly. I'm not against setting standards, since they'll increase the overall appearance of the articles, however I don't think any one tense will do all the information justice. Reading present-tense History sections would feel odd (in school we learn that Genghis Khan invaded the Middle East and China, not that he is invading); so if we have to chose a conjugation for Level Articles and History sections of larger articles, it should be past tense. However, that would also seem inappropriate in Character Page introductions and sections such as Personality ("Princess Peach was a loving ruler." ...So, what is she now? A tyrant?): therefore, we should be able to use present tense in those sections. The stuff concerning the real world is going to be formatted this way (past, present and future in appropriate situations), if I understand Garlic Man correctly, and if we can make that work, we can make the fictional stuff work too. - Walkazo (talk)

The problem is that we're dealing with in-game stuff here which is going to repeat every time someone plays the game. Yes, "Genghis Khan invaded the Middle East and China" - it has happened, and he's not going to invade it again because he's dead. But "Parakoopas appear in Yoshi's Island" and "lose their wings when you jump on them", not "appeared in Yoshi's Island" and "lost their wings when you jumped on them" - the latter format is currently used for way too many enemy/species articles and would imply that they're not in the game anymore, and you can't jump on them to make them lose their wings anymore, which is of course not true; yes, the game was released in the past, but unless your game cartridge is broken, they're still going to be there and will be defeatable like that every time you play the game. In-game happenings aren't real world events; they don't only happen once.--vellidragon 10:07, 3 January 2010 (EST)

@Walkazo: You're right, histories and biographies should be written in past tense(E.g. Princess Peach made her first appearance in Super Mario Bros). Also, as Vellidragon also explained, Genghis Khan was a real man who existed in the past. As such, human biographies (e.g. Shigeru Miyamoto, Deanna Mustard, etc) would be written in past tense. However, if you're talking about something in a game, such as a plot of a game, it should be written as if you're going through the game, not as if you've already finished the game. If it's written in past tense, it seems like it would never happen again. Of course, when you're not necessarily speaking about in-game elements, this wouldn't apply. For instance, in the trivia section of a game article, you may see "The release date for Example Game was delayed twice before its final release", and this is OK, because it refers to the game as a real life object, rather than the content inside the game. (sorry if my explaination is confusing...) --Garlic Man (talk)

Since the events happening in the Mushroom World are fictional, the sections in articles describing in-game events (aka the plot itself) are basically summaries. I don't know how this is handled in America, but here in Germany, it is a general rule that summaries have to be written in present tense. This is commonly what is teached in schools (and any deviance is hit with penalty). On a personal note: I think by using present tense, we could show our still-lasting respect for old games. Past Tense seems to imply that they are already forgotten (something I don't want to stand for). - Edofenrir (talk)

I wasn't formally taught about tenses in respect to fictional works at all; looking at my old assignments, it was mostly in present, with some past tense mixed in (usually dealing with things that were described as being past events by the book itself, but also when talking about early plot points). In response to vellidragon and Garlic Man, I already understood that we'd be using past tense to describe RL events (the first part of the last sentence of my first comment, though perhaps I should have made it more than an aside), and in my vote I mentioned that ongoing things like Paratroopas losing their wings should be deal with in present tense (again, I should have been more explicit). I didn't like the idea of dealing with the games as if we're going through the games because that sounds a bit too much like walkthroughs, whereas past tense would be more like the articles are narratives in themselves. However, I've decided that I don't really oppose the standard enough to vote against it. I do have one final concern/question: in Character Pages containing Background sections in their Histories (dealing with preludes to RPGs, or overviews of their lives prior to their first chronological appearance going by release dates), could past tense be used in the Backgrounds or will it need present tense like the actual appearances' expositions? - Walkazo (talk)

As far as I'm aware, in summaries of fictional events, past tense can only be used for background information if it happened before the start of the timeframe that is being summarised (which in this case would be the game the section/article is dealing with, or all the games in which the character appears if the section does not mention any specific one). E.g. if a character were to mention in a game that they moved to, let's say, Toad Town, and you don't see them do just that during the game's events, it would make no sense to write it in present tense, since it happened before the timeframe that is being dealt with and unlike in-game events witnessed by the player in some way is not going to repeat when the game is replayed (the person will state that they moved there every time, but they won't move there again if it doesn't actually happen during the game's events). This is based on what I was taught & what I think makes sense though, other people may disagree.--vellidragon (talk)