Talk:Gadd Science, Incorporated

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Where was this officially named? — Stooben Rooben 22:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Minutes 3:20 Super Mario Sunshine Intro

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Okay, that's all I needed; thanks. — Stooben Rooben 23:14, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

No prob (is that counted as spam?)Δ ΔΔ Δ

No, it's not spam. ;) — Stooben Rooben 23:32, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Thank you, lol alright im done here =]Δ ΔΔ Δ

You're welcome. — Stooben Rooben 23:36, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Nice find, but there isn't really much to say on this page other than repeating the list of inventions that is already on E. Gadd's page. I think it fits well on List of Implied Organizations. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:21, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I guess that'd work, since you don't actually see the business. — Stooben Rooben 13:51, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I concur. - Gabumon^(talk) 07:41, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Surprisingly, for once, I disagree. Do we really need to visit E. Gadd's factory or offices for this to be anything more than "implied"? We see Gadd's inventions or his presence in nearly every game since Luigi's Mansion, so I don't think we can really ask for more than that. It fits the profile for an actual organization as much as we're gonna get in a platformer series that doesn't even really have story anyways. Redstar 08:12, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Merge Gadd Science, Incorporated with List of Implied Organizations

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no quorum 0-3
This needed a proposal. To merge or not to merge? Decide it here.

Proposer: Bloc Partier (talk)

Deadline: 20:00, 9 January 2010

Leave un-merged

1. Bloc Partier (talk) -- Per Redstar above; "implied" gives the impression that it is simply made up. However, it appears, in every way, real.
2. Redstar (talk) - Per my comments
3. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk) This should not be merged because actual inventions from Gadd Science, Inc. have seen in the games. (and even the logo has appeared, multiple times)

Scope

From what I've seen, the only times this name is used is in regards to FLUDD's creation. I do not think we have enough information indicating it is synonymous with "all of Professor Gadd's inventions and other miscellaneous ventures," which is how the article is currently written. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:04, June 16, 2026 (UTC)

I've been thinking about the same thing for quite awhile. The company isn't ever really mentioned in any games other than Sunshine, and this article appears to draw a lot of unnecessary connections between games in order to include them in this page. Truth be told, this page probably should be merged with the List of Implied Organizations page. We already have Category:Professor E. Gadd's inventions fulfilling the same function in all but name, and this page isn't really serving any purpose of value at the moment. Wandering Poplin (talk) 00:21, June 17, 2026 (UTC)

The Galaxy movie material is, in fact, explicitly referring to FLUDD, as it is a hint on a quiz. The only other instance of "Gadd Science" I can think of is also in Sunshine, in reference to FLUDD's nozzles (eg, "the Gadd Science Hover Nozzle"). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:05, June 17, 2026 (UTC)

Merge Gadd Science, Incorporated with List of Implied Organizations: revisited

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merge 10-0
16 years later, and it's finally time to address this issue again.

This article is... delicately put, quite superfluous. Prior to its recent purging, it was effectively just a worse version of Category:Professor E. Gadd's inventions, even including miscellaneous E. Gadd inventions which were never associated with the company whatsoever beyond being created by the titular professor, blatantly contradicting our Canonicity policy. (Examples: Pixelator, Magic brush, nearly every variant of the Poltergust, including the karts, etc.) The only confirmed inventions ever attributed to this company are FLUDD and the Nozzle boxes, which immediately invalidates one of the votes from the previous proposal.

In its current, less speculative state, it is very small, not very informative, and overall highly unhelpful. The company itself is never really mentioned anywhere outside of bios and profiles for FLUDD. We never see any other (confirmed) products or employees, and I don't even think E. Gadd himself ever talks about it in any media he appears in, invalidating yet another counter-argument from the previous proposal.

I think it’s high time we rid ourselves of this page once and for all. If this proposal succeeds, this will be turned back into what it should've been all along: A redirect to List of implied organizations, and nothing more.

Proposer: Wandering Poplin (talk)
Deadline: September 9, 2026, 23:59 (UTC) Closed early on September 2, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support: Merge the company

1. Wandering Attorney (talk) This company is selling faulty, unlicensed, and potentially dangerous products, is directly responsible a unleashing a dangerous convict upon Evershade Valley due to corporate mismanagement, and is rumored to have committed over 16 years worth of tax fraud. It should not be allowed to continue operating.
2. Yoshi18 Productions (talk) Per proposal and Wandering Poplin.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Considering what little purpose this page had has been obsoleted by the aforementioned category, this seems only fair. The gallery of known inventions is literally two exact entries; F.L.U.D.D., and Nozzle boxes. Per proposal.
4. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
5. B.R.E.T.T. (talk) Per all.
6. Louie G Commits Tax Fraud: IanD255 Edition (talk) Per all.
7. Maw-Ray AS (talk) For alle.
8. Wilben (talk) Per all.
9. Illuminoid (talk) Per all.
10. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Per all.

Potentially invalid proposal

Close up of the building in the race course

I am terribly sorry for only bringing this up now, I forgot this proposal was happening. While I would normally agree about the proposal's outcome, I have some information to bring up that could invalidate part of it. In Mario Kart Arcade GP and Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 is a race course called Diamond City. This race course features a giant E. Gadd-themed lab building and, while this is hard to spot in-game, the building is labelled "Oya-ma Company". This name is a strange Japanese adaptation of Gadd Science, inc.'s Japanese name, オヤ・マーサイエンスしゃ (Oya Mā Saiensu-sha, "E. Gadd Science, Inc."). The Arcade GP games are riddled with such mistranslations in their in-game signs, such as calling Club Sugar "Club Sato" and calling Pianta "Monte", both of those also being their Japanese names.

Even with the slightly different name meanings ("E. Gadd Company" vs "E. Gadd Science, Inc,"), I find it hard to argue that is not intended to be the same organization, and given it physically appears in a game (you even have to drive through it), that would disqualify it from being in the List of implied organizations, wouldn't it?

In a semi-related note, several objects were removed from this article because they were not explicitly tied to the company. While I understand that and I don't intend to overwrite this aspect of the proposal yet, I have to ask, is the Gadd Science, Inc. logo not enough of a tie to imply a connection here? The logo is found in a lot of the objects that were removed from the article. If the logo is not enough of a connection, what exactly ties the Nozzle boxes to the company in this case? — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 22:23, September 4, 2026 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know any of that. If the proposal were still going on, this would be enough for me to revoke my support on it. If it's an integral part of a race course, I feel like that means it's definitely not just implied anymore since it's shown to have a physical location somewhere in the franchise. I-AHH-nD255 (talk/stalk) 01:13, September 5, 2026 (UTC)

Also just going to note and touch on the fact that, after looking into the content that's been removed from the page, I think that it's been removed pretty unfairly; if it has the company's logo on it, I think that's enough to safely back up the claim of it being made by the company, because why else would it have the Gadd Science, Incorporated logo on it. I-AHH-nD255 (talk/stalk) 01:16, September 5, 2026 (UTC)

Having re-read the proposal, its scope is entirely about merging the page back into the list of implied organizations. Since the edit to trim the page was done outside the scope's proposal, I believe re-adding some items would be fair game. Still, I would like to hear @Wandering Poplin's opinion on the matter concerning this and Arcade GP.

Regarding the Gadd Science logo, here are the objects that have them:

• Magic brush (used to, but that's still important)
• Magic Orb and Vacuum Orb (the second one has a shitty image but trust me on that one)
• All three main Poltergusts (seen in these schematics)
• Robo Mario (visible on his cap)

Hopefully this is a decent compromise. This is still a lot less than what the page had before.— Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 01:46, September 5, 2026 (UTC)

After going and giving the canonicty policy a quick reread to jog my memory on it, which the proposal uses to justify the removal of these aspects of the page; I feel like it's really stretching it. While, yes, something like the Pixelator has no confirmed connections to the company and only Gadd himself, everything mentioned above does because of the company logo, which, under the canonicity policy, seems to be valid because it comes from an official source, specifically Nintendo themselves. The proposal seems to imply that to be on the page an invention needs to be explicitly confirmed (like F.L.U.D.D. was in Sunshine), when that isn't really the case since there are, according to @Wandering Poplin, two inventions confirmed to be made by the company, both with the same logo, which, knowing that it's the logo of the company, is more than enough to imply that anything with the company's logo on it was made by them, which, according to the rules on reading between the lines, is not inherently bad, and okay to cover in certain situations; which I think this one is. Honestly, looking into it deeper; and I only mean well when I say this; this feels similar to overtrimming. I'm going to go ahead an add the inventions with the logo on it right now, since, as I mentioned, they should be completely acceptable for this article, but I will wait on further responses before putting anything related to the building in Diamond City. I-AHH-nD255 (talk/stalk) 05:11, September 5, 2026 (UTC)

I was not aware of the Diamond City cameo when creating the proposal. I do suppose that it means that the merge to "List of Implied Organizations" may indeed be invalid. (Also invalidating my claim that the company "isn't ever really mentioned in any games other than Sunshine.")

In terms of the issue regarding the Gadd Science logo... I'm somewhat unsure.

• On one hand, you could say the logo is simply E. Gadd's emblem, and that it does not automatically mean that every subject featuring this icon is therefore associated with the company.
• On the other hand... the first appearance of said logo was in the very game which introduced the company itself. And all three creations of E. Gadd in the game do feature this logo. The same could also be said for Robo Mario, given that the game he debuts in also happens to feature a physical appearance of the company itself.

...Yeah, I'm not currently sure what to think regarding the matter. Wandering Poplin (talk) 17:56, September 15, 2026 (UTC)

In my opinion, I feel like the fact that the logo was introduced for the first time alongside the company and is on the company building in Diamond City should be enough to tie inventions with it on it to the company so long as it's mentioned that it's not directly confirmed, which it now does thanks to @LadySophie17's contribution. While there is arguments to be made for it just being Gadd's emblem, following what we know to be confirmed in the franchise, there's a much stronger case for it being the company's logo instead. I-AHH-nD255 (talk/stalk) 19:10, September 15, 2026 (UTC)

I think the way the page looks currently is sufficient. Unless you'd like a more general wording regarding the emblem. I personally don't think we could consider it E. Gadd's emblem (regardless of what the actual emblem page might say) because it has never appeared in a scenario where other character emblems have appeared (e.g. in a Mario Kart vehicle), due to E. Gadd himself having never been playable. — Lady Sophie_17 ^(T|C) 19:39, September 15, 2026 (UTC)

I didn't even know the logo was listed as his emblem on the page. I'm not going to because I don't know where others would stand on it, but I feel like it should probably be removed from the emblem page on account of the fact that it's never actually officially used as his emblem, or at the very least be changed to mention that fact. I-AHH-nD255 (talk/stalk) 19:52, September 15, 2026 (UTC)