Talk:Yellow Toad and Blue Toad

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Why did this get merged? TheTacoReturnsFromTheSky (talk) 18:27, November 23, 2023 (EST)

Because of this proposal. Blinker (talk) 18:30, November 23, 2023 (EST)

oh... TheTacoReturnsFromTheSky (talk) 18:42, November 23, 2023 (EST)

Guards from The Super Mario Bros. Movie

Would these two Toads (the left having a blue-spotted head and the other having a yellow-spotted head) count as the same characters, a reference at the very least (the file summary links to here, implying that it is most likely them), or would it be just a coincidence? Yours truly, SleepyRedHair. 08:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

I would say it's a close enough reference to mention in the page. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:04, November 25, 2023 (EST)

Development/Internal Names

Before these articles were merged, I think there was something in each of them that mentioned names used during development and/or internally in the game files for New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I believe the yellow one was Ala Gold and the blue one was Bucken Berry. Is that right? —Thejohnston7 (talk) 20:35, February 1, 2025 (EST)

There's no evidence they were ever named Bucken Berry and Ala Gold. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 21:58, February 1, 2025 (EST)

Merge Blue Toad from SM3DW into Yellow/Blue Toad article

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Current time: Tuesday, September 30, 2025, 14:45 GMT

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I propose that the Blue Toad from Super Mario 3D World be moved to the Yellow Toad and Blue Toad article. Although he’s labeled “Toad,” his design — blue spots and vest — matches Blue Toad from the New Super Mario Bros. series and Super Mario Bros. Wonder, where he’s also called “Toad” in NSMBU Deluxe and Super Mario Maker 2. Nintendo consistently uses “Toad” as a generic label for colored variants, not as confirmation of identity.

The confusion comes from main red-spotted Toad, partly due to Super Mario Bros. 2, where Toad appeared blue because of graphic limitations. But Nintendo clarified that the main Toad is red-spotted, as shown in artwork, and his spots were fixed in the Super Mario Advance version (similar to Peach’s hair changing from brown to blonde). Even in Mario Party: Jamboree, multiple Toad NPCs are labeled “Toad,” including ones next to the actual main Toad.

The Wonder DLC trailer reinforces this — Blue Toad appears with the same cast as SM3DW (Mario, Luigi, and Peach). Therefore, his content belongs in the Yellow Toad and Blue Toad article, while the Toad article should focus on the red-spotted character with a consistent identity.

See also: Toad, Yellow Toad and Blue Toad, Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Bros. Wonder

Proposer: Sunsky (talk)
Deadline: October 11, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Merge 3D World Blue Toad with Yellow and Blue Toad article

1. Sunsky (talk) Blue Toad is one of the most iconic Toad variants in modern platforming games, second only to the main red-spotted Toad. It makes far more sense for the SM3DW character to be him — especially since he consistently appears alongside Mario, Luigi, and Peach as part of the core group. It’s less logical to assume the main Toad suddenly changed color without explanation, especially when Nintendo hasn’t clarified such a shift.

Oppose: Keep SM3DW Blue Toad with Toad

1. DryBonesBandit (talk) So if they’re not Toad the character, how exactly does that make them Blue Toad the character? They’re a generic blue Toad; all normal blue Toads have that design. That’s no confirmation of anything. Besides, it being on the Toad article isn’t wrong.
2. Sorbetti (talk) Toad is Toad, his name doesn't specify his color and neither should we.
3. Hewer (talk) Per DryBonesBandit. A singular character that has only been identified as "Toad" makes sense to be on the Toad article, and for what it's worth, an official bio for the 3D World Toad describes him as "Princess Peach’s loyal servant and Mario’s lifelong buddy". There may be some problems with our current Toad coverage but I don't think this solves any.
4. EvieMaybe (talk) while the lines between Toads are kind of fuzzy, i see this article's focus as "specifically the concept of a Yellow Toad and a Blue Toad that are both playable in addition to Mario and Luigi, as introduced in NSMBWii". SM3DW Toad is not relevant to that concept.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) This article is very, very expressly about the NSMB duo, not "any time a Yellow Toad or a Blue Toad appear". That's Toad (species) job.
6. Nintendo101 (talk) per DryBonesBandit, eviemaybe, and Camwoodstock.
7. Blinker (talk) Per eviemaybe and Camwoodstock
8. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
9. PrincessPeachFan (talk): NO.
10. Salmancer (talk) I think a character's identity persists even if they change color, otherwise we would genuinely have to split redesigns of characters because those changes are more substantial than colors being swapped around. Also, I would like to bring up how Mini Toad has gone from red spots to blue spots and back to red spots and is still comfortably one character despite being a Toad counterpart. Toad should probably operate on the same principle as his toy version.
11. Tails777 (talk) As far as I remember, the Toad in 3D World is treated as Toad himself. While this is purely speculative, I believe it to be a reference to how he looked in Super Mario Bros. 2. That all said, there is absolutely nothing stating that he's the same Blue Toad from the NSMB series. Camwoodstock puts it best, honestly.
12. Colin's world 3 YT (talk) per Eviemaybe, he's a generic toad, and him being in the toad article makes sense, because he has the same personality

Comments (3D World Blue Toad merge proposal)

Sunsky (talk) 06:52, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Would this also affect the playable Toad in Super Mario Maker 2? Sorbetti (talk) 09:06, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Given SM3DW's Toad is at least in part inspired by SMB2's in-game sprites and how Blue Toad "became" default Toad for NSMBUDX (with yellow as an alt, both being labeled just as "Toad"), I'd honestly be more inclined to merge this page there. It's pretty clear that "Toad" as a character is not a consistent recurring individual at this point, but whomever happens to be the most prominent generically designed Toad or more. Granted, the "best" solution might be to make separate articles for all five major Toad colors and include all appearances of each (playable, Toad Brigade, etc. - never liked "Mailtoad," "Banktoad," and "Hint Toad" being used by the wiki in games they weren't relevant to their role in), though that still leaves the problem of how "Red Toad" is sometimes its own thing, sometimes the "main" Toad, and sometimes Captain Toad - Super Mario Maker 2 had all three, with the "main" red-spot-blue-vest Toad labeled as the Taskmaster. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:15, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

I generally agree with this but it is worth noting that Super Mario Bros. Wonder went back on the changes from NSMBUDX, with Yellow Toad and Blue Toad being two separate characters and marketing explicitly identifying them as "two Toads", rather than just "Toad". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:56, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

It's worth mentioning that the Japanese version of the SMBW Direct just says "Kinopio" ("Toad(s)") like the previous game. Of course, "two Toads" sounds more natural in English, but it shows that's just a different approach in translation. Blinker (talk) 11:42, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

I think that's probably what happened with Super Mario Sunshine's manual labelling red-vest as "Toad," it was probably referring to the group as a whole like it does with Piantas and Nokis (so essentially, or perhaps literally, "Kinopio-tachi"). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:53, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, that also just says "Kinopio". Which makes sense. "Kinopio" is illustrated using only one Toad, just like "Monte-zoku" and "Mare-zoku". Blinker (talk) 12:07, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

@Doc von Schmeltwick Other way around - in New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, Yellow Toad is the default and Blue is the alt. rend (talk) (edits) 14:02, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Main Toad is a consistent individual, but the mainline games don’t always show that clearly — only Mario Party and Mario Kart most of the time consistently depict him as a single red-spotted Toad. Wether they fixed Blue and yellow's name being separate or not, Blue Toad's identiity ramains unsolved in 3Dw and SMM2. That’s why I think Blue Toad from SM3DW — and also SMM2 — fits better in the Yellow/Blue Toad or species article.

I’d support separate pages for Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, and Purple Toads. Main Toad and Captain Toad should remain their own page, like Toadette and Toadsworth. Main Toad’s red-spotted, blue-vested design should only represent him as a single character, and the article should focus on appearances that support him as an individual — not the species.Sunsky (talk) 10:58, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Red-vest is also just identified as "Toad" in some games, though, notably Mario Superstar Baseball and its sequel. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:02, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, that’s true — they can be included in the main Toad article if enough sources support it. Personally, I find it a bit odd when Toad is depicted as a red Toad only sometimes, but I get why those appearances might belong there as they add weight. It makes sense as long as the focus stays on consistent, individual portrayals — especially since Toad’s natural appearance is a red-spotted Toad.Sunsky (talk) 11:08, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

I get that — and I’m not claiming SM3DW’s Blue Toad is a fully fleshed-out character. But his design matches the Blue Toad used consistently in NSMBU Deluxe, Wonder, and SMM2 — all modern platforming games and two of them also labeled him as just “Toad” but clearly distinct from the red-spotted main Toad. That’s why I think grouping him with the other color variants makes more sense than placing him in the main Toad article, which should focus on the individual character with a consistent identity and his true apearence.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sunsky (talk).

The bio of Toad is not really consistent, cause there it also says he is implied to captain Toad official bio which also contradicts other sources aswell. So it still makes sense to add visible game apearences and it really maters that we should distuingish coloured Toads more with main Toad article even if they are called "Toad", otherwise people will have no idea anymore who to quess who and that's what I want to fix that.Sunsky (talk) 11:43, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Another note, Peach was originally not even planend to be playable, not sure if Yellow Toad got replaced by her, but they keep his fire form still intact via Blue Toad when he takes on a fire flower, either I propsose to move it to this article or the species can aslo be a good option and add that with main Toad's icon who did make an apearence via Captain toad's level separate from Blue Toad's one in the 3DW debut trailer. Sunsky (talk) 11:55, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

If people don’t agree with the current proposal, that’s fine — I just ask that my reasoning be heard. What if we move the SM3DW, SMM2, and MK Tour colored Toads to the Toad (species) article instead? These Toads share a consistent design but aren’t clearly the main Toad character. Placing them under the species could help clarify the main Toad’s physical appearance, as I explained earlier. If others are okay with that direction, I’m happy to support it too.Sunsky (talk) 15:57, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Actually, the Super Mario 3D World one is called Toad because he's meant to be regular Toad. The reason for his different look is because that's how he looked in in the NES version of SMB2. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:47, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

Thank you for your point, I already made my reason for this under my title section, feel free to read that there, have a nice Day.Sunsky (talk) 10:44, September 30, 2025 (EDT)