Talk:Boss Goomba

Really a sub species?

I recall that the Goomba grew from an ordinary sized goomba in NSMB. Didn't Kamek cast a spell on it? Wouldn't that make it not a subspecies? Mario and Toad's Fan

Mega Enemies

Do you really think the game would be harder if enemies like hammer bros. or koopas turned mega? im imaginating a mega hammer bro throwing a mega hammer and breaking blocks in his way André, Do your homework !!!

Why does this matter?Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E You talk about things that are unneeded

Mega Mushroom

I never heard nor saw that it had obtained a Mega Mushroom. Where did you hear this? MarioGalaxy2433g5 15:23, 7 February 2008 (EST)

no mega mshrooms were there,mabye it got it before the battle started. Bob-omb buddy

SSB Melee

Didn't it first appear in Melee? NinjaCupcake 13:28, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Technically, no. The character itself originated in NSMB. Not sure whether the Goomba in SMG is confirmed to same character, though I doubt it.--Knife (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Where in Melee was a giant Goomba? I don't recall anything about that. - Gabumon^(talk) 19:42, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

You know how sometimes generic enemies appear by breaking barrels and crates? Well ocassionally a large Goomba will show up.--Knife (talk) 00:57, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Oh, ok. I knew that part with the generic enemies, but that giant Goomba thing was new to me. - Gabumon^(talk) 01:07, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

NSMB Wii Mega Goomba and image

Is the Mega Goomba really known as that in NSMB Wii? If it's not the same size as the one in NSMB, then it shouldn't be called a Mega Goomba. Also the image in the trivia section - isn't that from Mario Galaxy? 'Cause this article didn't mention that game. Mario JC

What levels do Mega Goomba's appear in in NSMBW? I might be able to get a image. Yoshidude99

I think the only appear in the goomba enemy course.YoshiGo99

Split Mega Goomba (Species) from Mega Goomba (Character)

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split 8-1
Look at the two Goomba's on this page while both are named Mega Goomba other than that they are different things one's a Goomba that has been given a Mega Mushroom and the others a sub-species. Also theres a huge size different the Mega Goomba species which is roughly half the size of the Mega Goomba Character. The Mega Goomba Character also can with stand three jumps, while the Mega Goomba Species can only take one jump before it splits off into two Grand Goomba's, for thee reasons i feel that these creatures should be split cause there not the same thing.

Proposer: Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
Deadline: July 7th, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Split

1. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) per my proposal.
2. UltraMario3000 (talk) Per proposal.
3. Zero777 (talk) Per proposal
4. Nicke8 (talk) Per GS15.
5. YoshiGo99 (talk) Per all.
6. Mario Bros.! (talk) Although it would be short, they should be split. They are clearly different.
7. Reddragon19k (talk) Yay to that! I'm Reddragon and I support this proposal on this special day! Per all!
8. Walkazo (talk) - Per all.

Keep Merged

1. Superfiremario (talk) No, because the other one about the enemy would be very short.

Comments

@Superfiremario so what it's better to have a short article than have two different things merged together Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

Mario Party 10 boss?

In Mario Party 10, Mega Goomba is a boss. Does this would be a species of Mega Goomba or this character?--LudwigVon (talk) 14:40, 18 January 2015 (EST)

Move to Boss Goomba, the proposal

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Move to Boss Goomba 11-6
Yes, it seems that moving pages without prior discussion is a mistake and goes against policy, sorry about that. Well, here's the proposal to do things right and fairly. The name Mega Goomba comes from two sources, the first being a Player's Guide, and the second being directly from Smash Bros. Brawl. On the other hand, the name Boss Goomba is relatively recent since it comes from Mario Portal. The reason I want to move the page is simple to understand, Boss Goomba is a much better name than using Mega Goomba with an (boss) identifier since it makes it easier to find the page and avoids confusion. Furthermore, the name Boss Goomba is consistent with the Japanese name for the same character, which is Bosu Kuribō (Boss Goomba). Therefore, in my opinion, they ensured that the character received a proper name and not the same name as the enemy, mainly to avoid this type of confusion. Additionally , the Mario Portal is a highly prioritized source since it provides us with names that weren't in English, like Pokeynut and others. While I know the in-game source for Smash Bros. is prioritized, I think we should make an exception here. In my opinion, Smash took the name Mega Goomba from the Player's Guide, which is a generic name commonly used for the enemy of the same name, and Mario Portal solved this by giving it the name Boss Goomba. I believe we shouldn't prioritize such an old non-Mario game with outdated information over an official website that took the time and effort to give the boss a proper name to avoid confusion. It's a change that represents an inherent benefit to the wiki and its readers, and that's why I want to make it.

Proposer: Sorbetti (talk)
Deadline: November 22, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Move to Boss Goomba (support)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per proposal.
2. Ihavenoideaboyo (talk) (Boss) Now you're talking my language! Per proposal.
3. Blinker (talk) This is clearly an intentional rename to avoid confusion with the enemy that currently bears the name Mega Goomba. I don't think the rename should be discounted just because it was conveyed through a website. And one that has proven this helpful so far at that.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Taking a personal 180 here. We're gonna be real here, we kind of really dislike the Megasparkle Goomba argument (we highly doubt that the name of that guy has anything to do with this man), and in general we'd suggest following games themselves over the Mario Portal, but given the sheer time gap, as well as the fact that the only real way we can be sure they'd re-translate the name as "Boss Goomba" again is in a world where they remake the original New Super Mario Bros., we think this is fine. It's clear that following the rule to the letter, in this case where it's unlikely for the subject matter to return in a game properly (as opposed to any of the Banzai Bill variants that could re-appear at basically any point post-Bomber Bill rename), is doing more harm than good.
5. EvieMaybe (talk) i don't think we should be prioritizing a non-Super Mario game old enough to vote over a recent, post-standardization, direct auxiliary source clearly linked to NSMBDS, just cuz said source happens to be a website.
6. PopitTart (talk) Per Camwoodstock and EvieMaybe. I'll say we already give this Goomba its own article because it's clearly a distinct concept from the Mega Goomba proper. NoA is just playing catchup.
7. Rykitu (boss) (talk) Per all.
8. Cloudwalker (talk) Per all.
9. Boss Altendo Changing my vote per the current support.
10. Frankly (talk) Per all.
11. PaperSplash (talk) Per all.

Do nothing (oppose)

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) We've known this as "Mega Goomba" (actually the origin of the species name) for nearly twenty years, Megasparkle Goomba was named after it too, there is no new game appearance using the "Boss Goomba" name, and we have an in-game source.
2. Martendo (talk) Per LinkTheLefty.
3. Salmancer (talk) Aside from policy saying we shouldn't move the page, I think Mario Portal is wrong, and I think Mario Portal is wrong because Nintendo of Japan is wrong. Nintendo of America, in all of its years of operation, has never called a entity named in Japanese "Boss [blank]" anything resembling "Boss [blank]" in English. Big Boo (character), Petey Piranha, Porcupuffer (boss), Cheepskipper, Kamella, Tower Power Pokey, Motley Bossblob. There's clearly something against that exact construction of name on the Nintendo of America side. Since there is, I feel reasonably confident that if this character ever comes around again, as an appearance, mention, or otherwise, it won't be as "Boss Goomba". And because of that, I don't want the article to be intermediarily named "Boss Goomba" for years and years. I would feel differently if the name was anything other than "Boss Goomba", and probably either not vote or go with evie's vote to the letter, but "Boss Goomba" reminds us that Mario Portal is more translation than localization and thus in this instance I think we should not accept "Boss Goomba" for this character's article's name. (I acknowledge Boss Brolder and Boss Sumo Bro are instances where Japanese "Boss [blank]" becomes English "Boss [blank]", but I am going to point out Boss Sumo Bro is the only real exception because the name "Boss Brolder" does not appear within the text of Super Mario 3D World and was likely given a hasty translation for the Prima guide.)
4. Shoey (talk) Per LinkTheLefty.
5. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per all.
6. Daita (talk) There are other boss Goombas, such as Goomboss.

#Camwoodstock (talk) Mega Goomba appears in the Brawl trophy, and this doesn't feel like one of those cases where skepticism towards trophies feels warranted--"Boss Goomba", in contrast, is from the Mario Portal, and is a lower-priority source as a result.
#Mega Altendo (boss) Per LTL and Camwoodstock.

Comments

I can see downgrading Smash Bros. trophies and tips when discussing elements of non-Super Smash Bros. games to the guidebook tier, since its a step removed from the text of the game its talking about, but at the same time that principle would boot Mario Portal down to the guidebook tier. If that change did happen doing a "Mega Goomba" -> "Boss Goomba" switch would at least be plausible. Salmancer (talk) 15:17, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Rather have a new group for general "non-Super Mario franchise in-game names" if that happens. It's still awkward to change names when there isn't another game/appearance to go with it, also considering its "variation". LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:30, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I don't know where you keep getting the idea that Megasparkle Goomba is a variant of Boss Goomba. If you're saying that because of the shared Japanese name, it seems like a complete coincidence to me. Most of the bosses in Sticker Star use the word "Boss" in their names, like Bosu Sanbo or Bosu Surōman, and even Gooper and Petey are also called Bosu Pakkun and Bosu Gessō. It seems like a total coincidence that Megasparkle Goomba and Boss Goomba have the same Japanese name. Not only do they come from games developed by different people, but they're generally completely different, and even the Sticker Star boss has its own history. Unlike Gooper and Petey, who are recurring characters, there's nothing that even indicate that Megasparkle Goomba is related to the NSMB boss. Sorbetti (talk) 16:20, November 8, 2025 (EST)

It certainly seems like there was more confusion with Mega/Boss Goomba and Megasparkle Goomba than there ever was with enemy Mega/Big Goomba, considering the Smash 4 profile seemingly swapped the older boss for the newer one when the Japanese version does not clearly indicate which Boss Kuribo it is referring to (as pointed out in the other talk page mentioned below) - rather most likely intended to still be the original subject mentioned in Brawl. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:42, November 10, 2025 (EST)

@LinkTheLefty Was Megasparkle Goomba really named specifically after the boss and not the species or something else? See, that's what I mean when I say this change avoids more confusion. Why do you think Mario Portal would take the time to change a name if it didn't have a benefit? Besides, the "we've known this for 20 years" argument isn't really convincing. Lately, quite a few characters in Super Mario have been changing their names, names they' ve had for quite some time, and that's proof that they're starting to care about naming, and Boss Goomba is a great example of this. Furthermore, Mega Goomba is "alternatively known as Big Goombas or Giant Goombas," so the name Mega Goomba is not even something definitive or predetermined for the species. Sorbetti (talk) 16:13, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Was Megasparkle Goomba really named specifically after the boss and not the species or something else? There was an entire talk page discussion about it since both bosses are Boss Kuribo in Japanese. we've known this for 20 years - not exactly what I said, I'm more than aware of name changes being a thing; what I don't get is why we can't wait for an in-game update like we did for Bomber Bill, especially since we're going to use the name at the time regardless and there is no new appearance we can attach the new name to yet. Why do you think Mario Portal would take the time to change a name if it didn't have a benefit? Why not make a broad proposal that includes the likes of Boom Boom (Super Mario Land) and Big Boo (Super Mario Sunshine) instead of smaller proposals? LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:30, November 8, 2025 (EST)

"(...) what I don't get is why we can't wait for an in-game update like we did for Bomber Bill, (...)" Where would this guy appear? He's been MIA since Brawl... Ihavenoideaboyo (talk) 17:12, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I see, thanks for the info, I suppose. Although, looking at the talk page, there wasn't a consensus, and the majority was against the decision, so stating affirmatively that they are variants seems totally subjective to me and not viable as a solid argument. On the other hand, with all due respect, I find it totally absurd to compare Boss Goomba with Bomber Bill. Bomber Bill is a very recurring character; it's normal that the name change would appear immediately in a game. The same does not apply to Boss Goomba; we don't even know if he'll ever return. That's why the website is important, because it makes changes to enemies that we don't even know if they'll ever be mentioned again in other media. Lastly, it seems to me you're going against Mario Portal and haven't fully seen my point. Mario Portal isn't perfect; it has its flaws like any guide or guidebook. That's no reason to dismiss it, but at least they fix those flaws over time because it's a website and can be updated. Furthermore, unlike the cases you mentioned, which offer no benefit, this one does, and it's inherent. That's why I'm making this proposal specifically about Boss Goomba. Sorbetti (talk) 16:58, November 8, 2025 (EST)

@Camwoodstock Brawl took the name Mega Goomba from the player guide, which seems less prioritized to me than anything else. Besides, the whole point of the proposal is to make an exception, as I explicitly stated in the body of it. Sorbetti (talk) 17:03, November 8, 2025 (EST)

...Is there any particular evidence that Brawl was using the Player Guide as its own source? If anything, this feels moreso like just a case of how, with the Japanese name for the enemy Mega Goombas, with ボスクリボー ("Boss Kuribo"), for whatever reason, they would love to translate ボス ("Bosu") as "Mega"; heck, if The Cutting Room Floor is to be trusted, they made this exact translation decision in a spreadsheet they handed to the Korean localization team. If anything, we feel like that little switcheroo is a more compelling argument against, rather than "what if the Brawl localizers used a player's guide?", especially when, to our awareness, there's not really any cases of the Brawl trophy text provably taking names from Player's Guides. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 17:10, November 8, 2025 (EST)

It doesn't make sense to translate "Boss" as "Mega." Rather, both Player Guide and Brawl saw a large Goomba and said, "This is a giant Goomba, a Goomba of mega proportions, a Mega Goomba." And that's how the name stuck. In any case, in my opinion, "Mega Goomba" was a unique name for the boss, but over time, with all the "big/mega" conflict, the name "Mega Goomba" was also given to enemies. Mario Portal realized this and fixed it by giving the name "Boss Goomba." Regardless of what it was once called, or what it once was,Mega Goomba ,as a name for a one game-exclusive boss, is currently useless, confusing, and generally hinders navigation. Mario Portal, even with its problems, provided a name that is 100% more accessible than Mega Goomba, and using it would offer a noticeable benefit. If Smash Bros. Brawl were 100% truly reliable source, I would still prefer the name Boss Goomba over it, and it's not even because it's newer or better, it's because it represents a benefit. Just as we have different character boards sharing a page even though they are distinct, we do this because it allows for better navigation and, in general, provides a benefit. Sorbetti (talk) 17:59, November 8, 2025 (EST)

It doesn't make sense to translate "Boss" as "Mega." ... Ah. Perhaps Boss Hana should be next. After all, it doesn't make sense to translate "Boss" as [blank]. Boss Hana is a Wiggler, not the Wiggler. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:45, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Without meaning to offend you, I really don't understand what you mean by your comment. Are you saying that Wiggler is a translation of Boss Wiggler? In that case, obviously not; it's the name given in English, just as Mega Goomba isn't a translation, but rather the name it was given in English until it was changed to Boss Goomba. Sorbetti (talk) 19:00, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Just observing that literalizing is clearly a motivating factor here. The way I see it, it makes less sense for Portal to keep the names of Cheepskipper and Lakithunder the same; it did, so it weakens the entire "boss" theming (actually makes it stand out more, in my (subjective) opinion) the Japanese was going for. I also want to add that we've had shadow-updates on the site, so who's to say this will stay in stone? LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:20, November 8, 2025 (EST)

From what I understand, you're against how Mario Portal handles the names, and that's fine, I understand, but it won't change my opinion. Boss Goomba wasn't a mistake; it was a change made with a very clear intention, much clearer than some others. For example, I'd consider this clearer than whatever the Fake Bowser (Blue) intentions were. Sorbetti (talk) 19:28, November 8, 2025 (EST)

This feels like a bad reason to not want to use Mario Portal. It's not like video games don't get updates. (Though they tend to be announced and documented somewhere and they tend to not change the names of things) Salmancer (talk) 19:47, November 8, 2025 (EST)

It's obviously much harder to change after print/press than digital, not to mention games still have red tape that makes online updating a hassle and more purposeful by necessity. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:51, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Nintendo, for whatever reason, chose to translate "Boss" as "Mega" for this guy. We don't see any reason to go against that and "fix" it for them. If Nintendo does something baffling, it's not our job to fix it--it's to reflect that baffling decision. This is why Banzai Bill Cannon is still named that, when we still have Bomber Bills--Nintendo hasn't renamed the cannons yet, and it's not our job to rename them for them. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 19:36, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Banzai Bill Cannon is called that because we don't even have a source that calls it Bomber Bill Cannon. There's no intention to fix the name, there's nothing there. You can't compare Bomber Bill Cannon to Boss Goomba because Boss Goomba exists, while Bomber Bill Cannon doesn't, and that's why it's still called Banzai Bill Cannon. Furthermore, we're not the ones fixing Nintendo's mistake, they already fixed it, and this proposal aims to implement it. We're not renaming it, we're using the name the character has now because it's beneficial. Sorbetti (talk) 19:42, November 8, 2025 (EST)

You say "benefit" a lot, but realistically, how does wiki piping benefit if we still have to use [[Boss Goomba|Mega Goomba]] virtually everywhere? LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:47, November 8, 2025 (EST)

Where to begin? I didn't think you'd ask. First, we removed the identifier (boss) from the article, which means that the name itself is much easier to type and search for. It's much easier to search for Boss Goomba than Mega Goomba (boss) because if you don't use the identifier or make a mistake, it will send you to a page you weren't looking for, and that's annoying. Second, and most obviously, we avoid confusing the enemy Mega Goomba with the boss Mega Goomba, since it gives the latter a more unique name. It might not be a big deal for you or me, but that's because we're nerds about these things. Someone who barely knows anything about this could easily get confused or even wonder, "Why do they have separate pages if they have the same name?" Third, this is another simple point: Boss Goomba gives the character more identity than Mega Goomba ever did. Boss Goomba is currently a more recognizable and unique name for the character, making it easier to identify, unlike Mega Goomba (boss) for the reasons I explained above. And fourth and last, it would be much easier to edit on pages that refer to this character, avoiding having to constantly type Mega Goomba (boss)|Mega Goomba, which gets annoying and can also be confusing when editing. Imagine a new user entering in the Mega Goomba page and seeing the notable members section "What? Notable member Mega Goomba? But that's not the same name as this page!" This and many other situations would be avoided. I'm sure I've missed some, but I think this is enough for now. Sorbetti (talk) 20:17, November 8, 2025 (EST)

the name itself is much easier to type and search for. The piping is already largely finished (unless, as stated before, there's ever a new appearance), and the redirect and search engine already takes care of these just fine? we avoid confusing the enemy Mega Goomba with the boss Mega Goomba, To be frank, the species article could probably be changed back to Big Goomba, considering this is the current Super Mario series name (as Portal says). Boss Goomba is currently more recognizable ... Is it? Someone looking up the name "Boss Goomba" without further context would assume it can refer to any number of boss Goombas. That hardly narrows it down. At least Mega Goomba has the Mega Mario/Mushroom connection, so the average reader would think, 'oh, "Mega Goomba (boss)" must be the large Goomba who's a boss' - where's the confusion? constantly type Mega Goomba (boss)|Mega Goomba ... So again, changing Big Goomba back also resolves this issue. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:52, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I think the Mega Goomba situation is complicated, I remember some users even wanting to split Mega Goomba from Big Goomba, so a simple renaming is a difficult option. Otherwise, it's fair enough; we have different perspectives on what constitutes a benefit. Sorbetti (talk) 21:10, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I was the one who brought that issue up, and this seems like a good solution. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:42, November 8, 2025 (EST)

We don't need to "fix" it. As Sorbetti says, Nintendo already did it themselves. That's why this proposal exists in the first place. You're just choosing to ignore that because they didn't do it in the right kind of medium. Why? Blinker (talk) 19:54, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I think there is a valid utilitarian arguments to be made that "Boss Goomba," an attested name, is more discrete and less ambiguous than "Mega Goomba," which is currently the title of an article for a more recurring enemy, and that adopting it for the article more appealing than using an identifier. However, that does not seem to be where the tension of discussion is. It seems to me that this discussion and proposal is less about the actual name for this article, and more so about our coverage and why we cover things. This underlying philosophies that shaped our policies like the ones concerning names. Are we a reference site that is primarily about creative media (e.g., video games, films, television shows, books, and music), or a site about a marketed brand? I think this is where the dichotomy truly lies, and I recommend folks direct themselves into either answering that question in sincerity, or reframe it around the utilitarian argument. - Nintendo101 (talk) 23:11, November 8, 2025 (EST)

I have a question. Why are we wanting to contradict an in-game name? Those always take priority. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 07:53, November 9, 2025 (EST)

Because sometimes names get outdated, I guess 🤷
Besides, the "in-game name" you're speaking of is the same game that claims Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother, so I'd rather trust the official Player's Guide instead (for the record, I'm indifferent on whether we use the Mega Goomba name from the guide or the Boss Goomba name from Mario Portal). rend (talk) (edits) 12:12, November 9, 2025 (EST)

It's still an in-game name, no? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:53, November 10, 2025 (EST)

What's the point of using an old in game name from a non Mario game over a newer name that is clearly better and was made with the clear intention of stopping the confusion between the character and the enemy? Sorbetti (talk) 13:02, November 10, 2025 (EST)

Because it's an in-game name and always takes priority. After all, Magic brush was moved to that over Magic Paintbrush even though you could argue that Magic Paintbrush is "clearly better". PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:53, November 11, 2025 (EST)