MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code ~~~(~). How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights). So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. Also, NO PROPOSALS ABOUT HAVING BANJO AND CONKER ARTICLES -The Management. CURRENTLY: 09:36, 23 May 2024 (EDT) New Features Super Mario Bros.:The Lost Levels Worlds I have noticed recently that none of the worlds in Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels have their own article. I realize that the reason for this is probably that the game is too similar to the original SMB to have it's own pages for the worlds, but it is a COMPLETELY separate game. There are new backgrounds, different and more challenging levels, backward warp zones, trampolines, overworld bloopers, etc. Another reason it may not have these articles may be because the game was never originally released outside of Japan, but though Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, and the virtual console almost every country has had the opportunity to play this game. So, I propose that just like the original game, we should make one article for each world and have the world's four levels on the article, amounting to eight new articles. Proposer: Glitchman (talk · contribs) Deadline: May 13, 2008, 17:00 Make new pages for each world Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per myself. — Stooben Rooben Per Glitchman. YELLOWYOSHI398 Per Glitchman. Isn't SMB:LL's only real similarity with the original SMB the two games' use ofthe same graphics? Is DP's opposition really legitimate? Stumpers! They're different levels, which is enough for me. Grandy02: There are many similar graphics (though they are even not exactly the same), but the levels are definitely different, so they deserve articles. Cobold (talk · contribs) - The levels are about the only things that were different in this game. They are not modified versions of the SMB ones, but newly designed ones. HyperToad@Proposals - Per Cobold. Walkazo - Per all. My Bloody Valentine I changed my vote, seeing how each level is entirely new. BLOC PARTIER. Per Glitchman. Bob-omb buddy -It does it on most games,Even if it is simalar and people want to compare it to the original. Don't make new pages for each world Comments Perhaps my opposition isn't valid... I've never played either game, so I have no idea what the differences are. My Bloody Valentine Well, the levels are laid out differently, enemies can be found in different locations, the graphics are slightly enhanced, and the game has many new features to each level. I think that about sums it up. — Stooben Rooben 00:49, 7 May 2008 (EDT) But, basically, they are still the same levels? If so, I tend to oppose. But I haven't played the games either. Time Questions 04:29, 7 May 2008 (EDT) Hmmm... Now I'm not sure what to vote for... I think I'll stay on the Opposition side for a little bit. There's still 7 days left, after all. My Bloody Valentine They created entirely new levels. There are no "differences", you'd have to mention everything for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:29, 7 May 2008 (EDT) Cobold's right. Some are completely new. HyperToad (talk · contribs) All of the levels are completely new, actually. Glitchman (talk · contribs) All the overworlds too. - Walkazo Smash Bros. Series Articles Currently, this wiki has article on the Super Mario series (as a whole), as well as Donkey Kong. I think we should have articles on Template:Fakelink and ect. This espically goes for Template:Fakelink. This could mention the series appearences in the Marioverse (e. g. SSB, M&S) and a brief section about the series it's self, perhaps. Proposer: HyperToad@Proposals Deadline: May 14, 2008, 17:00 Make the Articles Only Sonic HyperToad@Proposals - Yes, I, the proposer, have changed my stance. Sonic has background as a rivalry with Nintendo. Nope — Stooben Rooben Those series don't have enough to do with the Mario series. While the main characters from those series star in the SSB series (along with Mario), Mario doesn't star in those series. He may make occasional cameos, but that's what the List of Cameos article is for. Glitchman (talk · contribs) This is supposed to be the MARIO wiki, we already have to much to do with the SSB series as it is, so we shouldn't bring the Sonic and Metroid series in JUST because they appeared in the smash bros. games!!! XzelionETC Per the More Intelligent people above me. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - Per everyone. However, I wouldn't oppose making an article on the Sonic series - See my comment below. Walkazo - Per Blitzwing. My Bloody Valentine As seen in my Subspace Army Enemies Proposal, there is too much SSB info as it is. We can't go overboard, and even so, these series aren't important enough to have an article on the very series itself. Sonic and Pokémon could be exceptions, though. Palkia47 We are a Mariowiki, not a Nintendowiki. Since we a Mariowiki, we should not have articles about other series, when we are a Mariowiki. Comments As I said in the vote headers, I wouldn't oppose having an article on the Sonic series, which would provides (very) basic information about the franchise and details how it affected Mario. For example, the Transformers wiki has an article on "The Gobots", which were the main competitor of Transformers some times ago. The article gives information about Gobot without having too much non-specific Transformers information and also have a section about how Gobot got referenced in Transformers and vice-versa. Considering that Sonic was Mario main competitor back in the 90's, I think having an article on it would be about right. --Blitzwing 18:01, 7 May 2008 (EDT) I'm with Blitz on this one. The Sonic series can get its own article; There's already a lot of series information on Sonic's very own article. Perhaps Pokémon as well, but maybe not. But as for everything else, big NO. My Bloody Valentine How 'bout a list? HyperToad (talk · contribs) nty. I think the character articles are enough. My Bloody Valentine Uh... if that's everyone's reasoning that we are a MARIOwiki, then why do we have SSB at all? HyperToad (talk · contribs) Because Mario plays a big part in SSB. And uh, because a ot of our editors are SSB fans, duh. --Blitzwing 08:12, 8 May 2008 (EDT) The reason I'm opposing is because there IS a limit to the amount of Smash information allowed here. :| My Bloody Valentine Ok, Mario plays a large role in SSB, I understand that. Why do we have articles like Blizzard, Waddle Dee Toss and Condor (yes, I regret supporting that now) but not this? HyperToad (talk · contribs) Well, I don't fully understand your reasoning for wanting to create articles on the seperate series. I mean, we have the character articles that detail cameos and whatnot, isn't that enough? :\ My Bloody Valentine I suppose. What about the Sonic series though? HyperToad (talk · contribs) Hmmmmmm... That's quite possibly the ONLY exception. If you look at it, whereas Pokémon is the second best-selling series after Mario, have they REALLY had such a vicious rivalry? Have they REALLY taunted each other so much and considered each other a major threat? Not really. Sonic, on the other hand. Both series have posed as a huge threat to each other in the past, and their history with each other is far greater than any other series made to oppose Mario. Sonic and Mario have a long detailed history, so a Sonic series article would definitely be valid, IMHO. My Bloody Valentine So long as it only details the series' history with the Mario series, nothing more. So what exactly are we going to do with a Sonic (series) article? Are we going to go through every single game and describe how its sales affected Mario's sales? Are we going to compare Sonic Spinball to Mario Pinball Land? Are we going to compare Sonic's countless battles with Dr. Robotnik with Mario's countless battles with Bowser? Are we going to say how many similarities the series had? It's common knowledge that Sonic and Mario were big competitors in the early-to-mid-90's – especially in the 16-bit era. I still don't find this to be a good idea. Creating an article on the Sonic (series) is opening a door that we're constantly going to have to re-close. Users will come along, see that we have an article on the Sonic (series), and demand that we make articles on the Metroid (series), The Legend of Zelda (series), Star Fox (series), Pokemon (series)...etcetera, etcetera. I mean, this could even cause users to want an article on the Dance Dance Revolution (series) for obvious reasons; then that would lead to users wanting articles on the Karaoke Revolution (series), which would lead to an article on Rock Band, which would lead to an article on the Guitar Hero (series)... Do I need to go on? This is gonna make chaos on the wiki. >_> — Stooben Rooben No offense, HT. Not if we come to a consenses that only Sonic is allowed. I think the whole "Sonic is Mario's rival" thing get way exagerated. And no Stoobs, we wouldn't include trivial things like Sonic Spinball and MPL. >_> And nobody here is stupid enough to want to make articles on Gutair Hero. HyperToad am leik Proposals Alright. As long as we make it completely clear, I'm on board. — Stooben Rooben 11:56, 8 May 2008 (EDT) Removals None at the moment. Splits & Merges Subspace Army Enemies So, I've been going through the Wiki, and I've noticed a lot of articles being made on the the Subspace Army enemies. IMO, these articles are worthless. Yes, I know, it's amazing that I have a limit to the Smash Bros. content on the Wiki, but I believe the Subspace Army enemies are too minor to have their own articles. I propose we merge them all with the Subspace Army article. Proposer: My Bloody Valentine Deadline: May 8, 2008, 17:00 Merge with Subspace Army My Bloody Valentine I am the proposer, and... Blah blah blah. RAP... Per DP. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per DP. — Stooben Rooben Per DP. The less stublets, the better. BLOC PARTIER. Per DP. Marcelagus (T • C • E) Per DP - I already redirected a whole bunch of the enemies before, but now it's starting again... D: Storm Yoshi Per DP but... Green GuyPer DP, Stooben, and the Grarlic GuyE 1337Yoshi Per everyone else. MarioGalaxy2433g5 {Talk/Contribs} - Per all HyperToad@Proposals - Per DP. Keep 'em split Cobold (talk · contribs) - Those are just as notable as Melee Adventure mode enemies, who all have articles undebated last time I checked. Plumber Per Cobold Comments Eh, to be fair, they're more major than Condor. At least they have a name. --Blitzwing 06:38, 1 May 2008 (EDT) And I didn't want that article made. My point being, THERE IS A LIMIT! <_< My Bloody Valentine Blitzwing, this proposal could be what you're looking for. I'm sure you've noticed this before, but sometimes one proposal dominoes into another, with the new proposals being supported by the results of the previous one. Stumpers! 20:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT) At least have one on Primid, please? Palkia47 Yeah, having a Primid one would be nice, IMO. BLOC PARTIER. There's always room in lists for a main article template, right? Stumpers! 20:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT) Perhaps Primid could be an exception... Ehhhhhhh... That's debatable, I think. My Bloody Valentine But articles like Octorok, ReDead and Polar Bear are okay? I don't see them being any different to Subspace Army enemy articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:22, 2 May 2008 (EDT) Those articles should be merged into their own page as well... My Bloody Valentine Which would have a conjectural name. Or simply "List of enemies". I don't think we can put all those Subspace Emissary enemies into the Subspace Army article, I'm not quite sure where they all belong. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:54, 2 May 2008 (EDT) Seeing as all the SSE enemies are members of the Subspace Army, they DO fit in that article... And, making a list of enemies... How's that bad? Dude, you make articles on simple ENEMIES, then we'll have to make articles on Assist Trophies and Pokémon... =| My Bloody Valentine Yeah, things are debatable around here, and there's no clear line. In my opinion, we should have enemy articles. Thus I am voting for keeping them. This doesn't mean I would support Assist Trophy/Pokémon articles either. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:34, 2 May 2008 (EDT) IMO, we should have a page titled "List of Enemies and stage hazard in the Smash. Bros." series. I don't understand why we have articles on completly random things like Tingle, Ultimate Chimera and the guys Cobold listed above. --Blitzwing 11:40, 2 May 2008 (EDT) Agreed, Blitzwing. My Bloody Valentine Enemies have always had more importance than things like trophies. I'm with the merge side I think just because of the stubbiness factor. Stumpers! 01:20, 5 May 2008 (EDT) Super Mario Galaxy signposts merge For a long time now, I have been considering a merge of four articles, Gil Board, Phil Board, Bill Board, and Jill Board. All of these are very similar talking signposts that appear as minor characters in Super Mario Galaxy that provide hints hints to the player, such as how to perform a wall kick or control Mario's Boo suit. As these articles are all very short and the characters playing only miniscule roles in the game and essentially non-existant roles in the Mario universe as a whole, I suggest these four articles be merged into a new one entitled "Boards (Super Mario Galaxy)". Proposer: Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu Deadline: May 12, 2008, 17:00 Merge into "Boards (Super Mario Galaxy)" Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu (As said above) Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) Per Snack. ~Uniju(T-C-E) Per Snack, as long as the images don't end up deleted. Walkazo - Per Snack. My Bloody Valentine Per Snack. Grapes Per all. (Hey wasn't that the same idea I wrote in on the Talk:Bill Board?) Stumpers! The subjects are too minor for separation (more so than Ashley and Red, for example). Plus, they are stubs, and on one of them, literally half of the text was conjecture (about being related to the other boards, for example). Remove that, as should be done per current Wiki policy, and they are DEFINATELY stubs. Marcelagus (T • C • E) Per All. Mushroomkingdom.nl Per All Keep them Seperate — Stooben Rooben Even if they ARE similar in nature, they still have official names and provide information completely different from each other. They contain all the information required in each article, and each have their own image. Per Stooby. Plus, they're not even stubs, almost defeating the purpose of merging. SJ derp :P HyperToad Per Stoob. rend (talk) (edits) Bob-omb buddy Per all. They are just simalar,not the same and are different charecters that are not in a group. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per all. They're not even stubs, so, no reason to merge them. YELLOWYOSHI398 They seem just about like the different Paper Mario NPCs to me, and they're decided to have their own articles. CountBlumiere Per all. They're different characters, so they should have different articles. Comments I removed two votes with invalid reasons. Canama, Ashley and Red are also different characters, yet they are merged, so this logic doesn't work. However, I'm still not sure if all of the oppose voters have valid reasons. "Officially named" isn't reason enough to make a separate article, neither is "each has their own image" (again, cf. Ashley and Red example), and probably "they're not stubs" isn't either. Though I have no example for this. Time Questions 04:36, 7 May 2008 (EDT) To all those saying the Board should be kept split because they're different, the Isle Delfino Birds are also different (They have different colors and gives different things when you kill them), and yet they got merged. The Boards doesn't seems to have a whole load of differences from each other apart from their names. --Blitzwing 06:55, 7 May 2008 (EDT) Changes None at the moment. Miscellaneous Coconut Mall Department Stores In Mario Kart Wii, the Coconut Mall course has many little stores, advertisements, and other things like that. I think we should make articles for each of these, such as the one I already made, Coco Burger. If a store exists in the game and we can give the article enough information, I think we should go for it. What do you guys think? Okay, just to clarify the options: The first one means that we make a list of all the places in Coconut Mall,similar to the list of Mario Kart sponsors. The second one means you don't want to. To clarify even further: Yes, the first option means that a separate list will be made. Separate from the sponsors list. Because the stores in the mall are not sponsors of Mario Kart. Proposer: Tiptup Jr. Deadline: May 9, 2008, 20:00 Make them/Make a list! Tiptup Jr. So... yeah. I'm the proposer and all. Reasons stated above. Walkazo - A LIST. Not seperate artciles; they'd be stumps and a waste of space. However, since we have that Sponsor list, we might-as-well have one for the stores too. It's all valid information, even if it's just a bunch of easter-eggs. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - What Walkazo said. Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu Per Walkazo. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?See comment. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per Walkazo and Arend. Oppose! My Bloody Valentine This is the most ridiculous Proposal I've ever seen. They are merely stores and posters; No REAL information is EVER given. They are just easter eggs/minor additions, nothing more. And, Stumpers, play the game first before you assume the stores and posters have information... Uh-oh, that sounded kinda impolite. D= On that note, quite a bit of the information shown on the example given by Tiptup Jr. is kinda false... I don't remember seeing any menus or anything of the sort. X| Supertroopa Per DP. This way can't work because we can't have seperate articles of every single insignificant easter eggs as said before by DP. This has to be a wiki of more important information rather than more articles about shops that are advertised on a course of like Coconut Mall. The main the you see of the stores is a poster that says stuff you can't read. Like DP said, WHAT info is given about them: nothing. This is just plain stupid. Plus, like 90% of the Coco Burger article is false. Pictures on a wall, that isn't much of a menu. If you don't believe me, I just checked. SJ derp :P Ghost Jam Another stub article we don't need. Just merge into List of Mario Kart Sponsors. Green Guy Talk!E Per DP. Plus it's rather futile to have articles on things that don't even effect game play. Plumber 20:34, 4 May 2008 (EDT) Merge into List of Mario Kart Sponsors and move that to Mario Kart Advertisements (since the ads themselves aren't sponsors). Stumpers! In my defense it was assuming good faith. Whatever though. Per Ghost Jam. — Stooben Rooben Per DP. These places don't even affect gameplay! K.K. Slider somewhat affects gameplay in Brawl and HE doesn't even HAVE an article. If something doesn't affect gameplay, it doesn't really deserve it's own article. Booster -- Per Ghost Jam. Just put them on the sponsors list, perhaps in their own little section. MarioGalaxy2433g5 {Talk/Contribs}- per all Comments I think making these articles would make the Mario Wiki a more complete guide to Mario's world and would help people find as much information as possible about Mario Kart Wii. We could also put what type of Miis appear in each advertisement, like a female for a certain store, and a male for another. Just a thought. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiptup Jr. (talk). Tiptup Jr., please always add a reason next to your vote, otherwise it's invalid. Even if you're the proposer. :/ Time Questions 05:53, 3 May 2008 (EDT) Since there is no actual information given on any of the stores and posters in this circuit, any information added to the article will be speculation and fan junk... My Bloody Valentine What's about putting info of these things on the List of Mario Kart Sponsors? --Blitzwing 07:37, 3 May 2008 (EDT) Seems like a good idea, Blitzwing. My Bloody Valentine Technically, the stores in Coconut Mall are not sponsors of Mario Kart, they're just... there. Maybe we could make a separate article with a list of Coconut Mall stores, instead of one article for each store? Tiptup Jr. I 99.9% want to say oppose because this seems like a waste of time if theses stores are just random easter eggs in a Mario Kart course-- but I haven't ever played the game yet, which is the 0.1% holding me back from voting. CrystalYoshi 09:44, 3 May 2008 (EDT) Add them to the List of Mario Kart Sponsors. THIS I COMMAND!!! My Bloody Valentine “This is the most ridiculous Proposal I've ever seen.” —User:Pokemon DP Obviously, you've forgotten a little thing called Pie (otherwise known as Proof there is a God). Also, they can't be merged with List of Mario Kart Sponsors since they aren't sponsors. I think they should be added to List of Mario Kart Sponsors, but only if the page is then moved to Mario Kart Advertisements. Plumber 20:34, 4 May 2008 (EDT) Agreed with Plumber. The Pie Proposal was at least funny. :( My Bloody Valentine It's nice to know that you can't really call something around these parts stupid without referring to one of my creations. XD -- Chris 15:49, 5 May 2008 (EDT) Really, only if there really is enough information. If not, then consider merging it. File:Don Pianta2.PNGUser:Nothing444sup? 00:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT) DP, are you saying that all the information on the article example given by the proposer was false fanon? That would change things quite a bit, really. Stumpers! 01:11, 5 May 2008 (EDT) All that information is false, yes. I don't remember any menus or anything of the sort. My Bloody Valentine So why haven't we deleted/removed false data from that article than? Stumpers! 01:16, 5 May 2008 (EDT) For evidence, perhaps? My Bloody Valentine Well, you're heading the opposition so do as you wish, but can you at least make a note of that so people don't get confused? Stumpers! 07:52, 5 May 2008 (EDT) Er, Yoshitheawesome, your vote isn't really valid since Stumpers changed his vote. — Stooben Rooben 15:53, 5 May 2008 (EDT) Once this proposal fails there should be another one concerning lists of stores only. The options could be "No List", "Seperate List", or "Sponsors List". By the looks of it, one of the latter two options would win that proposal, so the information will get onto the Wiki one way or another. And that's what matters, right? - Walkazo No offense, but the only way I see a list working is if there is enough information. While I do feel the Coco Burger has a fairly decent amount of information for a non-affective store, I doubt that all stores would have enough info for even their own spots on a list. But, I don't own the game, so I couldn't say for sure. — Stooben Rooben 20:53, 5 May 2008 (EDT) According to DP that whole page just about is fanon. I have no idea, but he doesn't want to take it down for the sake of example... I dunno. If anyone knows what is real and what isn't can you please take care of it? Stumpers! 21:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT) Regardless, it is FAR too minor to get its own article. A... Minor cameo with no significance other than being a minor easter egg, with it's very own article? ...Uhhhhhhh... Logic is lacking in that plan. My Bloody Valentine Can you please clarify this: is that article fanon or not? Stumpers! 21:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT) The general article is true, but the entire menu is fanon. And the Pianta getting angry... Ehhhhh, not so sure about that one. My Bloody Valentine Tiptup Jr. should clarify the voting options. What does "Make a list" mean? Make a list separate from the Sponsors list, or make a list and put it to the Sponsors page? Because if you're thinking of the latter, several people currently opposing should better put their vote to the support section... Still, in case the support side wins, the only thing we'll know is that the information is going to be included in the wiki somehow. Whether in a list or as separate articles will still be unsettled... so I don't think it's a good idea of merging "Make separate articles" and "Make a list" into one voting option. Time Questions 13:47, 6 May 2008 (EDT) To all those saying these Coconut business aren't sponsors, I was playing the game with a friend the other night, who pointed out that the race is taking place in the Coconut Mall, so it, and any business therein, is sponsoring the race. Same with NASCAR. -- Chris 14:55, 6 May 2008 (EDT) Okey, I think we should make a list... and put it in a List of Implied Buisnesses page. We could do that with other small... easteregg... things, like YOSHIKART in other Mariokart titles and those Supa Koopa Sneakers Koopa the quick mentions in SM64. I'm writing this in comments to explain my vote. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? I'm fond of this idea. Didn't we have a List of Implied Businesses article at one time? -- Chris 23:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT) Actually... Since the buisnesses are ALL on Coconut Mall, I think they should be added to the Coconut Mall article. Thoughts? My Bloody Valentine That works too. -- Chris 23:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT) Oh, the menu in Coco Burger is not false. If you drive up and look closely enough, you can see the menu items. Tiptup Jr. Uhh, when I mess around I run into walls for no reason, and when I did that on Coconut Mall, I didn't see any menus at all. SJ derp :P Question: why was my vote removed? *Is too lazy to look in history* BLOC PARTIER. It had no valid reason. I think it was just something like "Hmm... just merge it". Time Questions 04:44, 8 May 2008 (EDT) Oh kay. Lemme fix it. BLOC PARTIER. So... Can we all agree to add all this information to the Coconut Mall article? My Bloody Valentine I can't think of any reason why not. Stumpers! 00:42, 8 May 2008 (EDT) I'll contact the proposer about this. 'cause strictly speaking, currently more voters vote against making a list, and to include the information in the Coconut Mall article would be like making a list, basically. Given that there doesn't seem to be an opposition to this idea, though, we might remove the proposal, with Tiptup Jr.'s approval. Time Questions 04:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)