Talk:Yoshi Sphinx

Layout

hey I just made this page and was wondering how to make the "Layout" bar so I can expand it. I've found the way in and out of this level and can write about it. please help me! ~User: Bonkaman

You mean the "Layout" header? Simply type this: " == Layout == ", on a new line. ThePremiumYoshi

thanks! by the way, awesome article!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bonkaman (talk).

More information

Are we not going to make a page or mention of the yoshi sphinx/sphinxes found in other desert locations, such as as seen here or here? I think it re-occurs enough to at least make some larger mention. Trig - 10:57, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

Eh, it's basically just a background detail outside of Sticker Star, I don't see why it would need an article. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 17:59, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

It still is notable, appearing in so many games, and being an entire level. A do think that this page should be expanded or split to add its appearances in other games. Doomhiker (talk) 18:15, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

How many games is it in, anyway? All I know of is Super Circuit, Mario Kart Wii, and Sticker Star. If anything, we could mention that a Yoshi sphinx appears in those games in the trivia, but I don't see why it deserves its own page. Is there any precedent for recurring background elements getting pages? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:21, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

It appeared in Super Circuit, Mario Kart Wii, and Sticker Star. And while there is not a precedent, the fact that it is a stage alone makes it worthwhile to create an article for it. The fact that it appeared in previous games is not trivia, as it is part of the subject's history, just like anything else appearing in a background. Doomhiker (talk) 18:27, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm not at all convinced we need to make a separate article for the Mario Kart appearances. It should just be mentioned here, although I think we should avoid claiming that they're the exact same sphinx, since I highly doubt it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:36, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

Trig said "a page or mention". Other instances of Yoshi-like Sphinxes warrant a mention, per an "Other appearances" section or similar. Not much to argue about once we get past that initial misunderstanding. -- Lord G. matters. 18:42, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

On the Yoshi Sphinx page we would put the Sticker Star sphinx in the history section, we would just a main article (this) for the level. Doomhiker (talk) 19:36, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, this page deserves expansion and a rewrite so let's delete it. I'm fine with mentioning it. TheDarkStar 19:55, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

Splitting and MarioWiki:New Articles

Even as an RPG, Sticker Star (and probably by extension, Color Splash, but I have no clue about Color Splash) is divided into levels and qualifies for the same rules that enforce the existence of independent level articles that World 1-Rainbow from New Super Mario Bros 2, Secret Course 16 from Super Mario Run, and Stitchy Scramble from Poochy and Yoshi's Woolly World do.

Whats going on? Sticker Star is a black sheep in Mario RPGs for a reason. Many reasons, but one of those reasons is that it's straight up divided into levels. (Well, the manual (US) calls them "stages". This wiki's article says "level" directly, as in "worlds are segmented into levels". Darn you insistent terminology!) As in, there is a world map, with which you move from unlocked level to unlocked level. Blue nodes for complete levels, red nodes for incomplete levels. Each level has a code. When a level is entered, Mario strictly starts at one point of the level, and has to make his way through a guantlet of enemies, platforms, and cutscenes to reach the other. There is a goal on the other side, in which touching it instantly terminates the level. In doing so, this clears the level and unlocks another level on the map. This is referenced in the manual as "completing" stages, as in the phrase: "Get a comet piece to complete a stage" Some levels have multiple goals, and Mario Wiki articles on them call the extra goals "secret exits" just as we do for articles on New Super Mario Bros.

There's only two locations in the whole game that are considered non-levels: Decalburg and Surfshine Harbor. The manual prefers calling them towns. Everything else totally counts, meaning MarioWiki:New articles's section on Level articles kicks in and makes W2-2 of Sticker Star an independent article. I'm not against articles for recurring background objects, but levels are levels and background objects are not, and policy says levels get to be separate. Sticker Star doesn't have to say "Course Cleared!" by word for that to happen Salmancer (talk) 05:42, October 29, 2024 (EDT)

I completely agree. World 2-2 (aka "Yoshi Sphinx") of Paper Mario: Sticker Star is a level in its own right and should not be lumped with the Yoshi Sphinx as a subject just because it shares the same name. Jdtendo^(T|C) 03:05, May 17, 2025 (EDT)

Uh, awkward correction! I have a physical copy of American English Sticker Star, and its digital manual uses "course". I assume there is a revision involved. Posting under a resolved topic is weird but I'd rather make sure no one is misinformed about it. Salmancer (talk) 00:45, July 13, 2025 (EDT)

Okay, I'm an idiot. So, the link in the earler comment is actually the European manual, I completely misidentified it! Here's a link to the real US manual [1]. Salmancer (talk) 10:51, July 13, 2025 (EDT)

Split the landmark from the Sticker Star level

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

split landmark 9-0
Quick recap of the history of this page: at first, the article was solely about the Paper Mario: Sticker Star level called "Yoshi Sphinx", but sometime last year, the article was completely restructured to include information about recurring Yoshi Sphinx landmarks. This is bad for two reasons.

Firstly, it's a violation of MarioWiki:New articles which states that "all individual game levels and stages should have a dedicated article". It should be noted that contrary to most Mario RPGs in which locations are not considered levels, Paper Mario: Sticker Star is actually divided into levels (or "stages" as the manual calls them): each level has a code ("World 2-2" in the case of "Yoshi Sphinx"), levels are accessible on a world map, and when a level is entered, Mario starts at a given location and must platform his way to reach the goal — the Comet Piece — that ends the level when touched and unlocks the next level. As such, "Yoshi Sphinx" is a level in its own right and thus needs a dedicated article.

Secondly, the way the article is structured is a confusing mess. If you're looking for info about the Sticker Star level, then you will first encounter a lot of unrelated appearances before finally finding the history subsection for Sticker Star, and the section for statistics is completely separated. Conversely, if you're looking for info about the landmark, then you will be baffled by the long Sticker Star statistics section that is unrelated to the funny dino sphinxes that you care about. The article tries to cover two subjects at once and this does a disservice to everyone.

For those two reasons, I propose to only keep info about the Paper Mario: Sticker Star level on this page and split all remaining information into a new Yoshi Sphinx (landmark) article, just like we have a Hammer Bros. Sphinx article. That new landmark article will retain a mention of the Sticker Star appearance (something like "A Yoshi Sphinx appears in the level of the same name in Paper Mario: Sticker Star.") with a link to the level article.

Proposer: Jdtendo (talk)
Deadline: June 3, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on May 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: split "Yoshi Sphinx (landmark)"

1. Jdtendo (talk) Per proposal
2. Salmancer (talk) Per proposal.
3. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Kinda wish this stayed about the Sticker Star level in the first place.
4. PrincessPeachFan (talk) This is like Flower (environmental object) getting all sorts of flowers merged to it when it was supposed to be about a specific kind of flower which releases stuff when you walk through it.
5. Sparks (talk) Per all.
6. EvieMaybe (talk) per proposal
7. Rykitu Sphinx (talk) Per all.
8. Nelsonic (talk) Per all.
9. Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us. Per proposal.

Comments (level vs landmark)

Checking the edit history, it was because the Hammer Bro Sphinx appeared in more than one game and that equated to this getting more appearances than just Sticker Star. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:01, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

What would happen to the Color Splash section? It is specifically a reference to the Sticker Star Yoshi Sphinx, given its colors. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 20:33, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Stays on this page as is. The Notes section of the level article gains a bullet point for the Dark Bloo Inn appearance, like Hither Thither Hill does. Salmancer (talk) 21:04, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

So does it stay as is or does it become a Note section? Those are two different answers to my question. Either way, does this mean that Color Splash would be removed from the Yoshi Sphinx (landmark) page? — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 21:22, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Since "Once and only once" was removed, we are allowed to put the same information on two pages. Which is what I'm advocating for. Salmancer (talk) 21:26, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Per Salmancer, the Color Splash appearance will remain on the landmark article and will also be mentioned in the Notes section of the level article. Jdtendo^(T|C) 01:53, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

Wait...since WHEN was "Once and only once" removed? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:16, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

Says here February 7th. (This counted as a minor edit, apparently.) As per its replacement, Repeated content, while having different articles with the same data is discouraged, it is allowed at user discretion. Salmancer (talk) 10:30, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

0_o How did I not know that!? This definitely changes things! SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:35, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

I feel a bit obligated to weigh in as the person responsible for the coverage of non–Sticker Star games on this article. I stand by this wiki having an article covering those, by the way. I'm not necessarily opposed to this split, but I have a few thoughts:

• The non–Sticker Star portion of the article is much smaller than the Sticker Star portion. I recognize that size isn't necessarily the criterion for splitting, here, but Yoshi Sphinxes are not particularly common. Eyeballing it on my browser scrollbar, only about the upper fifth of the article contains information irrelevant to Sticker Star.
• In regards to point 2: I honestly think we need a wiki-wide look at how we handle extra info about RPG appearances of recurring locales. They're either under their History heading (which doesn't really fit with the structure of History) or in a separate Statistics heading (which can be miles away from the relevant appearance — look at how far Bowser's Castle's M&LBIS stats are from its History heading). Neither solution is ideal, but the mixture of them is even less so. I bring this up just to say that I don't think this is a problem unique to Yoshi Sphinx.
• Finally, and I think my most strongly-held opinion: I think the article on the Sticker Star level should be the one with the identifier. Just by way of analogy to something like Bowser's Castle. Not that the Yoshi Sphinx is equally important, but Bowser's Castle, the article, is about the in-universe location, and that has primacy over the levels that take place there; I think it'd be odd to have the Yoshi Sphinx work differently to that.

Those are my thoughts on the subject. Ahemtoday (talk) 20:51, May 21, 2025 (EDT)

Only problem is it violated MarioWiki:New articles which states that "all individual game levels and stages should have a dedicated article". PrincessPeachFan (talk) 06:48, May 22, 2025 (EDT)

Responding to Ahemtoday's thoughts:

• In my opinion, the fact that the Sticker Star level info takes so much space on an article that presents itself as being about the "recurring decorative elements in the Super Mario series" is actually a reason for splitting: it would be more pleasant for people looking for the landmark info to go through a smaller article that only contains the info they actually care about, and they wouldn't have to scroll through the entire Paper Mario: Sticker Star statistics section to check if there's any non-Sticker Star information after that.
• A rather recent proposal aims to split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, which has already been done for Bowser's Castle in Superstar Saga, The Origami King, or Paper Mario 64. I assume the change has not been implemented yet for Bowser's Inside Story but it will someday. In some sense, that proposal may apply for this article as well.
• I also thought of giving an identifier to the level article, but the Sticker Star level has a clear-cut source for its name, whereas the only source that I know of for the name of the Yoshi Sphinx as a landmark is… the name of the Sticker Star level, so it makes sense to consider the Sticker Star level to be most prominent subject called "Yoshi Sphinx" and thus not give it any identifier, especially since other Yoshi Sphinxes are purely decorative and not very common. Jdtendo^(T|C) 07:45, May 22, 2025 (EDT)