Talk:Turning Floor

Name?

Soooooo, where did this name come from? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 07:03, July 24, 2025 (EDT)

Having read every strategy guide that I own that these things turn up in, I can confirm that "Turning Floor" flat-out does not exist. Most strategy guides refer to them by generic names like "rotating mound of earth" if they acknowledge them at all. The MK DS one is called "rotating cylinder" and it's called that in Mission Mode in-game and the 3D World Strategy guide calls them..."rolling hills". As such, this should be moved to Rolling hill and the MK ones called "rotating cylinder". PrincessPeachFan (talk) 21:12, July 25, 2025 (EDT)

Rename

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Having read through every strategy guide I have, Turning Floor flat out does not exist. As such, this should be moved to Rolling hill as it's an in-game name (Most strategy guides just use generic names like "rotating mound of earth" if they acknowledge them at all) while the MK ones be called "spinning bridge" as that's what it's called in Mission Mode in-game.

Proposer: PrincessPeachFan (talk)
Deadline: August 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on August 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Rolling, rolling! (Move)

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per proposal.

Turn around every now and then (Keep here)

1. Power Flotzo (talk) Per Waluigi Time in the comments.
2. Altendo (talk) Per Waluigi Time at the Olympic Games (series).
3. Salmancer (talk) This is one of those times where the proposal pushes research that ultimately reveals a mistake was never made in the first place. Yippee! Go Waluigi Time!
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Unless someone can present a source for the capitalized "Rolling Hill" name that's more recent than NSMBU/NSLU, we feel like Turning Floor kind of just wins by default here.
5. PopitTart (talk) Despite initially bringing this subject up on the Discord and bemoaning the Turning Floor name, seeing that it has a legitimate in-game source (Title Case, no less!) means it should stick.
6. Hewer (talk) It seems this proposal was made in the mistaken belief that "Turning Floor" isn't an official name, and the proposer has still failed to clarify where the name "Rolling Hill" supposedly appears in-game (being extrapolated from a pun in a level title doesn't count). Seems clear to me that "Turning Floor" should take priority as the in-game name.
7. YoYo (talk) by this logic the Shy Guys in Ninja Hideaway are called "Ninjas", even though we know that's not the case: they're Shy Guys. Point is: just because they are called something in a name of a level, that doesn't reliably tell us it's the actual name.
8. Waluigi Time (talk) Turning Floor is official and I'm yet to see any evidence that rolling hill is used in-game to directly refer to these.
9. 1468z (talk) Per all.

Comments (Hilly, isn't it?)

Where is "Rolling hill" used in-game? And is it capitalised ("Rolling Hill") or not? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:36, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

I believe it's a combination of Really Rolling Hills and the comparison between Yoshi Hill and Rolling Yoshi Hills. The topic came up on Discord and PopitTart mentioned these levels.Salmancer (talk) 21:33, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

In real life, the term "rolling hills" is a term that refers to gently rising and falling hills, and/or a landscape featuring such kind of hills; something like this photo. The course name "Really Rolling Hills" is a play on this term, with "really" being added to emphasize that the hills really are "rolling" (as in, rotating on an axis). Therefor, I'm not entirely sure if the name of this course is a good indication on the rotating hills being called "rolling hills", despite it appearing in-game, as it's essentially a joke on taking a real-life term literally instead of figuratively; it may be nothing more than a pun. rend (talk) (edits) 11:44, August 9, 2025 (EDT)

I mean, the platform could always be named to be a pun with the level then following from the platform name, it's not impossible. (But this is also why determining a subject's name from the name of the level should be a last resort.) Salmancer (talk) 12:46, August 9, 2025 (EDT)

Turning Floor is official, it comes from the in-game description of a bonus video for Prickly Goomba's Coinless Run in the NSMBU/NSLU compilation disc. If rolling hill is just being inferred from level titles, then Turning Floor would take precedence. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:34, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

This article also covers the rotating cylinder from DS Bowser Castle, as well as the rotating tubes from 3DS Bowser's Castle and 3DS Rainbow Road. If the article were to be renamed "rolling hill", then I'd rather want these three objects to be split off, since they aren't at all, y'know, hills.
Maybe they could be split off regardless of outcome, since I'm not entirely sure if the cylinder and the tubes can even be called "floors" either, and you travel across (or through) their horizontal axis rather than their vertical axis (as in, the axis that actually rotates). rend (talk) (edits) 16:25, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

The Mario Kart cylinders are probably related to the platformer cylinders, but not really the same thing. I'd split them off from this article even if it does not get renamed. (It's telling that this article has no Mario Kart navboxes and no Mario Kart categories. Salmancer (talk) 21:33, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

Someone had uploaded a bunch of Prima eGuides to Archive.org, which includes their eGuide for Mario Kart 7, and said guide does refer to the tube in 3DS Rainbow Road as a spinning tube (or just tube). However, the same guide seemingly refers to the one in 3DS Bowser's Castle as a... paddle wheel, I suppose. I mean sure, it's got paddles on... one end of the wooden tube, but it's also a lot longer than what you'd expect of a wheel (though to be fair, paddle wheels on boats tend to be quite long too, but those also have broad paddles over the entire cylinder). But sure, it's better names for these than Turning Floor or rolling hill. Maybe we have to get our hands on the physical Prima Guide too for certainty. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything online for the cylinder in DS Bowser Castle beyond the defunct European microsite (that's already covered on our wiki) referring to it as "slippery poles", so we may have to hunt for the Mario Kart DS Player's Guide anyway. rend (talk) (edits) 05:18, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

WAIT I JUST REMEMBERED THAT THERE WAS A MISSION ABOUT THIS! I looked up the mission description via this video, which calls it a spinning bridge! rend (talk) (edits) 05:22, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

I don't feel strongly either way about these splits, but I don't really understand how "Turning Floor" isn't a fitting name for a floor that turns. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:43, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

I would argue that the Mario Kart iterations aren't really floors, per se. The spinning bridge in Mario Kart DS is much too long and narrow, whilst the spinning tube and paddle wheel from Mario Kart 7 are essentially cylindrical tunnels. It feels like they've been indiscriminately added to this article purely because they're rotating cylinders that a player has to pass over, even though the way they have to be passed is via a different axis and they're a lot longer, compared to their platformer counterparts. The slot machine thing from an unused version of Waluigi Pinball and the turning gears at the end of Tick-Tock Clock (which are ironically also narrow, I guess) feel like much closer counterparts to the platformer Turning Floors in execution. rend (talk) (edits) 06:38, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

I'd argue that the Bowser Castle thing is a completely different object, functionally closer to rolling log than these wheel-hill things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:20, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

The spinning bridge from DS Bowser Castle definitely feels closer to a rolling log than a Turning Floor, especially since after my comment, me and Lady Sophie found that the Japanese name for the spinning bridge appears to be まるたばし Maruta Bashi (Log Bridge), which cements it as something very much related to the rolling log due to its Japanese name being simply まるた Maruta.
If the spinning bridge has to be split off later, then I feel like the same should happen to the spinning tube and paddle wheel from the 3DS courses, as they function even less like the Turning Floors than the spinning bridge, being basically hollow rolling logs that you have to travel through as if it were a tunnel. rend (talk) (edits) 15:18, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

Oh certainly, the thing in 3DS Bowser's Castle is an evolution of the thing in DS Bowser's Castle. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:48, August 7, 2025 (EDT)

@Waluigi Time: 1. If we are using a compilation disc as "taking precedence", then we should move Mega Goomba back to Big Goomba and put "Koopa" back in the Koopaling names because of NSMBUDX which is a recent release, 2. The PRIMA 3D World guide calls these Rolling hills and only uses generic names everywhere else if it even ACKNOWLEDGES them. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 21:46, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

Remakes and naming policy are very confusing together, but my understanding is that the text accompanying each video was first included on on the YouTube channel for New Super Mario Bros. U, then added as a bonus feature New Super Mario Bros. U + New Super Luigi U with text updates ("Turning Floor" is actually added in this pass on the text, the original video doesn't have it.), and then included unaltered for New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe. If this is indeed the case, then the Deluxe release isn't new writing, and therefore we would not have to update page names based on the release date of New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe. Anyone have a copy of New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe to confirm this? Salmancer (talk) 22:09, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

Although, even if it is new writing, I think we still don't move names back to older terms due to remakes, even if new marketing uses the old term. See Roll Attack, which no one renamed "Barrel Roll" when Donkey Kong Country Returns HD was the newest game even though new articles and descriptions used "Barrel Roll" because "Barrel Roll" was last used for the original Donkey Kong Country Returns and the new text is probably just being consistent with the old game. Salmancer (talk) 22:19, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

Well if we're playing the remake game then Bowser's Fury is more recent than NSMBU Deluxe, anyway. But what I want to know is if rolling hill is actually used anywhere to directly refer to these hills in-game, or if it's just being inferred from the name of Really Rolling Hills. If it's the latter, I'm more inclined to stick with Turning Floor. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 22:25, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

Given the era, there's a non-zero chance an answer may lie in official Miiverse posts. Salmancer (talk) 22:34, August 5, 2025 (EDT)

We have renamed pages due to remakes before, but I don't really see how that's relevant to this discussion? "Turning Floor" is still our only in-game name either way, right? Or if we're talking about the Koopalings and Mega Goomba that PrincessPeachFan brought up, it still doesn't matter since NSMBUDX isn't the most recent appearance of either of those subjects. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:33, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

Split spinning bridge (MKDS) and spinning tube/paddle wheel (MK7) from Turning Floor

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So, on March 5, 2021, just a couple weeks after the creation of this article, someone decided to add the Turning Floors from Mario Kart DS's Bowser Castle, and Mario Kart 7's Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road to the article. Which is strange to me, because I would not consider these three objects Turning Floors at all. The one from DS Bowser Castle is a long, narrow, metallic cylinder that acts like a spinning, log-like bridge; in fact, Mission 6-1 of Mario Kart DS even refers to it as a spinning bridge, and similarly, the Japanese version calls it a まるたばし Maruta Bashi (Log Bridge), so not even the game thinks these are floors. Similarly, the object in 3DS Bowser's Castle is a wooden, cylindrical tunnel with metal paddles at the end, and the one in 3DS Rainbow Road is similarly a long, white-and-rainbow, cylindrical tunnel with a star ring placed on the entrance. Official guides for Mario Kart 7 do not consider these to be floors either: Prima's English guide calls the BC tunnel a paddle wheel and the RR tunnel a spinning tube (or simply tube), and the Japanese Shogakukan guide refers to both as 回転かいてんパイプ Kaiten Paipu (Rotating Pipe).

What I think really sets these apart from Turning Floors is not only how they're shaped, but also how they're crossed, too. So the spinning bridge from DS Bowser Castle is a long path which needs to be crossed over through its X-axis (as in, when you cross it, the thing turns horizontally, to the left or right), and the same goes for the paddle wheel from 3DS Bowser's Castle and the spinning tube from 3DS Rainbow Road, except you have to cross right through them (since they're tunnels), and crossing on top of the paddle wheel in BC is an optional shortcut. Compare that to the shorter, wheel-like Turning Floors from the platformer titles, where you have to run over it through its Y-axis (as in, when you cross it, it turns vertically; forwards or backwards). That may not seem all too intuitive when it comes to sidescroller titles, so let's say that the spinning bridge and spinning tube/paddle wheel are more comparable to a rolling log.

It should also be noted that the spinning tube/paddle wheel also differs from the spinning tube and Turning Floor due to the way it's crossed: since the primary way to cross them is through inside, that removes the risk of falling off the object, meaning that only retaining your balance is the remaining obstacle. Now realize that the the fossilized dragon is not considered the same thing as Turning Floors either, in which similarly characters go inside a hollow cylinder-like thing. If that is considered different, then there's no excuse to keep the spinning tube/paddle wheel on this article.

I have created two draft articles in User:Arend/Spinning bridge and User:Arend/Spinning tube. I had once considered for the paddle wheel to have its own article as well, as it is later reused in Yoshi's Island T in Mario Kart Tour, but as Shogakukan considers the paddle wheel and spinning tube as the same object, paddle wheel gets merged to spinning tube; with spinning tube receiving priority since this describes both objects better generally.

Proposer: Arend (talk)
Deadline: September 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Spilt the spinning bridge and tube

1. Arend (talk) Per proposal.
2. Sorbetti (talk) These things are very different, why were they added to the page in the first place? Per proposal.
3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Not the same thing as the reverse hamster-wheel things from the platforming games whatsoever. The tube is definitely an extension of the bridge, so it should be treated as a variant of that.
4. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
5. EvieMaybe (talk) per all.
6. LadySophie17 (talk) I never liked how these two were treated as the same.
7. Camwoodstock (talk) They're only really "turning floors" in a very nominal sense--they're clearly meant to be their own thing separate from the floors introduced in NSMBW. Per proposal.
8. Altendo (talk) Per roll.