Talk:! Switch

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Picture.[edit]

The picture should be replaced with the new super Mario bros one. I am goombob and I love paper mario games (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2013 (EDT)Goombob

Why? I see no problem with it. Yoshi876 (talk)

It[edit]

would be better if they changed the title to ! Switch, just like Question Mark Block to ? Block. Unshy Guy (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Mistake, maybe?[edit]

There is also an ! switch in NSMB in the final boss fight. Killer (talk) 02:53, October 12, 2019 (EDT)

The switch has a skull on it and is clearly distinct from the ! Switches that appear in normal gameplay. Not really seeing any reason for it to be put here. TheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 10:04, October 12, 2019 (EDT)

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While I don't know about licensed guides for later games, these things to seem to be fairly consistently just called "switch" in firsthand sources in both English and Japanese. Should we move this in light of that? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:50, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

It's called "! Switch" in the New Super Mario Bros. manual, though... Toadette icon CTTT.pngArchivistToadettefont.png(T|C) 20:20, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
"! Switch block," actually. JP version of the manual uses a sprite to represent its name instead XD. Regardless, YIDS and YNI's manuals just say "Switch," and they come later. NSMB seems to be the exception, not the rule. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:33, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
I think the group in New Super Mario Bros. was a way to bridge inconsistent terminology and say, "hey, Switch Block refers to this object type in general, but going forward, that's probably the last time you'll see it since we want to use unique names for P/!/? Switches," and the switch file in New Super Mario Bros. U at least contains switch_bikkuri, switch_hatena, and switch_P models (Bowser's axe and switch combo is the boss_koopa_ax model in the separate switch_koopa file), but in regards to ! Switch in particular: Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (retroactively?) refers to it as 「ビックリスイッチ」 (Bikkuri Suicchi, Surprise Switch) for Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, New Super Mario Bros. 2, and New Super Mario Bros. U. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:38, April 12, 2020 (EDT)

This page should not be merged with the Switch page as there are a wide variety of different switches including P Switches and ? Switches. And then, there's an exclamation mark on it so, for me, it's called ! Switch. 1JUST1

The problem is most games, including the most recent appearances, just call these "switch." In light of that, this seems to generally be officially considered the "main" switch. Since "switch" itself is fine as a disambig page, this should probably be moved to "switch (object)," since the other objects simply called "switch" are limited to one series. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:32, June 15, 2020 (EDT)
In Super Mario Maker 1/2, they are only P-Switches and these are calld "P-Switches" and not "Switches", so, who knows. But if we move everything, the page will be very big and so we will need to do some galleries and maybe sub-galleries.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1JUST1 (talk).
You're missing my point completely. This would still be a separate page, it would just have a different name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:12, June 15, 2020 (EDT)
I think it would be wise to keep it as ! Switch.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by HEROWALUIGI (talk).
The "! Switch" name actually is legitimate; the name appears in both the NSMB2 and NSMBU Prima guides. I think it would be wise to just downplay the discussion for the time being now that we have solid proof of the current name. Toadette icon CTTT.pngArchivistToadettefont.png(T|C) 17:20, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
That settles that [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)Hyperluigi.gif 17:21, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
Except no it doesn't; manuals are at a higher naming priority than PRIMA guides. Manuals for Yoshi games consistently just say "switch." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:36, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
Yes....But we should take translation into account. What does the Japanese name call it? [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)Hyperluigi.gif 17:38, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
"Switch." The English word. That's their manual name there too. Some lesser-priority guides say "Bikkuri Switch," but again, lesser priority than packaged or digital manuals. Believe me, I searched up a whole lot of scans and compiled them in the Niol section of this page just a month or two ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:59, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
There's also source priority exceptions, and I'd say this case is worthy of it since we have three Prima guides that consistently call this "! Switch". Though you're free to create a proposal for that. Toadette icon CTTT.pngArchivistToadettefont.png(T|C) 18:04, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
There's also the fact the PM games have consistently just said "switch" in-game, which is the ultimate priority. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:05, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
While it's definitely an ultimate priority, I still wouldn't say it's absolute. Plus, it's more of a common name, and we tend to favor proper names more. Toadette icon CTTT.pngArchivistToadettefont.png(T|C) 15:33, June 29, 2020 (EDT)
Problem is, from what I can tell, it is commonly used as a proper name, even in cases where other switch types exist. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:51, June 29, 2020 (EDT)
As far as I know, that never happened in-game. I'm somewhat reminded by the Mini Goomba case, where there technically isn't an in-game reference as of yet but it's been used consistently in all guides since New Super Mario Bros. I'm with Toadette the Achiever and leaning towards source priority in this case. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:56, June 30, 2020 (EDT)