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General Question

I've noticed a few behaviors from you that I want to ask you about how you manage your Wikis. Do you generally have a hands-off approach and let the people who want to contribute to the wikis decide how it should be presented? I ask because you only seem to intervene when absolutely necessary and your editing is seldom. Or am I looking into it too deeply and you are just a busy person that doesn't have much time to contribute like the rest of us? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 15:34, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

I view my main function as making sure that everything works technically. I do have a largely hands-off approach to allow the wiki administration and community the room to do what they feel is right. Every now and then I will step in and steer things in a certain direction, but this has gotten rarer as the wiki has gotten more established in its policies. --Steve (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

RE:Image black borders

I have a few issues with that practice. I explained myself on A gossip-loving Toad (talk)'s talk page. Users have cropped over the years and we don't mention it in the {{aboutfile}}. I'm not inducing the black borders on the images if that is what you think I am doing. That is how Paper Mario (and some other but not all N64 games) render. I don't have any idea why Nintendo did that with some of their games. Diddy Kong Racing doesn't do this but games like Paper Mario do. It gets even worse when dealing with cropping a screenshot with the dialog bubble open as the bubble renders over the black box. In general, I find that people have a lot of misconceptions about the N64. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 22:46, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

I completely understand that you're not adding them, and that is how the game technically is. But the wiki isn't necessarily meant to be 100% technically accurate in all instances. In this case, looking "nice" trumps technical accuracy, and I believe that it looks nicer cropped. Cropping to 296x200 even with dialog bubbles is good (1). You can mention that it was cropped from the technical resolution in line 4 of {{aboutfile}} to coincide with image policy, which I'll add this to. --Steve (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

For the crop you provided to this image, you cut off part of the dialog box, which is what I said would happen. The crop you provided to this other image, I guess that is more acceptable. The only remaining concern is consistency with other N64 images (because the 1x internal resolution is ~320x240), such as the Paper Mario Title Screen comparing that to the examples you edited. I'm still quite torn between cropping or leaving the screenshots as-is. We would have to go through each image that has cropping done to it. I say we bring this issue up to the rest of the MarioWiki community because I don't want to accidentally spread false information through the implications of cropping. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:15, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Cutting off that little piece of the dialogue bubble is fine, as the crop is done to match the main view of the image. The title screen doesn't have a black border, so it doesn't need to be cropped. The consistency is what it is, and it's based on whether or not a black border is present (or pieces of a black border, in the case of the dialogue bubbles). This doesn't need community input, and I'll be happy to provide an answer for any other cases you're unsure about. --Steve (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree with this issue. For MarioWiki in general, we should represent Nintendo's flagship franchise as accurately as we can without projecting our biases onto it. The dialog box is part of the game view and if you crop the dialog bubble out, you crop a part of the game view out. It just looks off and bad. Anything within the ~320x240 is considered the game view. I guess the best thing for me to do right now is stop uploading screenshots for N64 games until we can get input from others. I would really prefer that before you make anything official policy. I'll still upload, just not N64 game screenshots because of this issue we are having with the images that doesn't seem to exist with other game systems. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:40, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

OK, that's fine. Cropping has always been the unofficial policy, and we're just not going to change that practice. I think the images look significantly worse with the black borders. --Steve (talk) 23:53, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Just to be clear, there was nothing wrong with my black border uploads and borderless screenshots are just your preference, correct? I just don't want to get on your bad side or get in trouble with you. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:11, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

You didn't do anything wrong because there was no set policy against the borders and I believe that your intentions were good. Just know that moving forward, there is now a policy that they must be cropped. Hopefully we can fix the existing uploads. --Steve (talk) 00:40, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

...and that is where I think we need to discuss it with the other MarioWiki contributors instead of just you making the call what we should do with our images before submission. I'll feel better about the whole situation if we do that. A few users have questioned my N64 uploads and just those kind of images in the past while others would agree with my N64 uploads. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:27, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

I feel strongly enough about this that it doesn't matter. If the proposal didn't go my way, I would veto it. I believe that it's in the best interest of this wiki to have clean, borderless images. --Steve (talk) 01:40, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

Do you know how many images that is that we need to modify to meet your specifications? This would apply to all the screenshots the contributors have ever contributed. Remember how I said this issue applies to N64 games only? There are a select few non-N64 game screenshots that have black borders or letterboxing, but that is usually cutscenes and not regular play, and that is why I excluded them originally. This also increases unnecessary maintenance, which I don't think anyone would appreciate. This also adds an extra step before submission, which might increase the chances of someone screwing up the crop. I think there are enough problems getting transparency right for sprites. Bazooka Mario (talk) brought up a good point to me in the past that images uploaded are best first-come, first-served on User talk:Wildgoosespeeder/QualityRequestTypes/sandbox. I think I provided enough reasons why you shouldn't enforce this but rather it should be kept as a suggestion at best. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:01, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

It doesn't matter. Replacing existing, cropped images with black-border images isn't exactly helping things. If improving the image quality is worth it, then it's worth going the extra step to remove the borders. Obviously, we have non-ideal images all over the place. They will continue to be fixed as we go, but the policy should represent the ultimate goal. --Steve (talk) 02:29, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

A lot of the images I was replacing had emulator mistakes, too small, JPEG literally converted to PNG (unnecessary bloated file size), blur, artifacts, images better as a clean PNG rather than in the JPEG format, applied video filters (against MarioWiki policy), and so many other kinds of issues. The cropped status wasn't one of those issues. It just looks like I did that. Take a closer look at the archived images compared to my cleaner counterparts. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:50, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes, I understand the quality improvements. Unfortunately, the border is an extremely noticeable undesired element. But now all they need is a good crop and they'll be perfect for our purposes on the wiki, so that is great! --Steve (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

OK, but can a regular talk be opened on MarioWiki:Image Use Policy just to gauge a reaction? No {{TPP}}, just a regular {{talk}}. I really do think that your simple change isn't so simple as you make it sound. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 03:20, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes, talk about it there. My user talk page can only take so much. --Steve (talk) 03:23, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

OK! Now I feel better! --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 03:24, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

Wiki chat

I got banned by chan serv all because I asked for op and the others talked about op. I didn't see in the rules about requesting for it getting you banned.SuperLuigi (talk) 18:47, 4 May 2016 (EDT)

Problem uploading image

Each time I try to upload this image, with the source URL for the image : https://nookipedia.com/wiki/File:AlbumArt-Dixie.png it says this:Cannot upload this file because Internet Explorer would detect it as "text/html", which is a disallowed and potentially dangerous file type. any help? TabuuandPeach 17:10, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

Once again, you are using the wrong URL. Click on the image on that page, then use that URL. --Steve (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

Batch Upload

Any way to batch upload? I have 105 images for Gallery:New Super Mario Bros. and they are all similar to File:W1-1.PNG. The 105 files I have are all named appropriately (NSMB Credits XXX.png). It would be tedious to upload one by one. I can concentrate my efforts elsewhere to replace uploads. This sort of enhancement for MarioWiki would be beneficial for other high volume uploads, such as new sprites (not existing sprites). --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 17:49, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

There are scripts out there that you could use, or I could do a batch upload if you can get me the files in a Dropbox ZIP or something. I trust you, but in general, we want to make sure all uploads are done with purpose - we don't want users going nuts with many uploads at once and then leaving them unused. --Steve (talk) 23:50, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

Is there a way to grant privilege to certain users if you want to defend against users going nuts? I do have an easy way to link them all and it involves CMD and using the command dir > files.txt. Once a little editing is done, I can copypasta into the gallery tags since File: isn't really needed inside galleries. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:41, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

Not the way I would do it for you. You could use something like this. --Steve (talk) 00:52, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

I'll fiddle around with that Perl script later. The talk section of that link seems to suggest that it is possible to upload PNGs since the script by default deals with JPEGs. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:07, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

I am getting a bunch of errors related to not being able to find *.pm libraries. I tried to fix it by downloading the missing libraries. Solve one problem, another one gets created in its place. It's too much trouble. Python-bot it is. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 21:49, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Bots

I have an idea. There are many articles with the older Image: and <br clear=all>. Why not put PorpleBot (talk) and/or MarioWiki Bot (talk) to work? Replace:

• <br clear=all> with {{br}}
• <br clear=left> with {{br|left}}
• <br clear=right> with {{br|right}}
• Image: with File:

Just make sure the search and replace is case-insensitive. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 15:43, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

What I've used for PorpleBot is this - take a look, I'm sure you could have some fun with it... You could probably loop through the upload script to upload your batch files, too. --Steve (talk) 17:02, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

I can handle the uploads. I though that the pywikibot was a plug-in? Since you have it set up, rehash it for those text replaces. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 19:11, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

No, you run it on your local PC and it logs-in to the wiki and performs functions using the MediaWiki API. --Steve (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

After a little bit of fiddling around, I got the bot to upload what I had! Thanks for the help! --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:11, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

Beware of these:

• "The Bob-omb will be a different speed depending on the image: [...] -- Bob-omb Derby
• "When Mario first meets Grubba, the promoter shows his public image: friendly and passionate about his life's work. -- Grubba

On an unrelated note, I'm currently removing the <center>s in the coding of galleries in mainspace articles by hand. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 01:53, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

No problem. "[[Image:" with "[[File:". --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:23, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

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After about hundreds of bot edits replacing text spanning hours (which I am unsure I got all of what I wanted to mass replace), I think the search function is broken. I search for "right" and nothing shows up and I know there are plenty of pages with that text! Do you have to purge or rebuild a cache or something or is this out of your control? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:41, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

New Drop-Down For Uploads

For Special:Upload, you have a drop-down for our image copyright tags. How about one for our game image categories, such as Category:Super Mario 64 Images and Category:Mario Kart 8 Images? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 22:45, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

Well, it could be done through JavaScript like this if you want a project. --Steve (talk) 23:35, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

That JavaScript looks a little too complex for the behavior I was looking to integrate and that behavior should be similar to that of the licensing drop-down box. The only thing that I don't have a clue is all image categories. I would do a RegEx MediaWiki page dump or whatever using /^Category:\s?(.+)\sImages$/gi or whatever works to gather all the categories in existence currently rather quickly. Then create an array that adds an entry per choice in the drop-down all in a loop. Then whatever code needs to be inserted for the drop-down to behave similarly to the licensing drop-down we have, insert that code. I was also thinking checkboxes for each category would be more suitable than a drop-down for category insert. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 03:02, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

But wouldn't that be too extensive? We have more than a hundred games in the Mario series, the drop-down is going to be too long to be useful, no to mention doing a REGEX dump everytime someone accesses the upload page is an unnecessary waste of resources. The best way to add the category automatically is either, modify the aboutfile template (it was a rejected idea.), or modify your own js (that's what I do, you'll find it somewhere around here). The only thing that I would support is a checkbox for pre-release and glitches.--

05:30, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

The dump is a one-time thing (text) so we can get the game categories en masse as the addition is hard-coded. Any new image categories created can be added later. It would be nice if all of this were automatic, but I don't see that being possible with current limitations. I was thinking the same thing modifying {{aboutfile}} to be more like Zelda Wiki's, but past experience is telling me people wouldn't like to go through ~70,000 images. In general, I am detecting a lot of resistance to change from other MarioWiki contributors, especially long-time users, but by doing that, it just makes problems worse the longer the problem is ignored. I am often conflicted to even bother discussing needed changes. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 17:39, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

My username.

I want to change my username on here. How do you do that?SuperLuigi (talk) 18:39, 15 May 2016 (EDT)

The Forums

I want to join the Forums, but it requires E-mail, I don't have E-mail, my family doesn't have E-mail. Im over the age of 13, but nobody in my family has an E-mail, can you change that requirement? Only one time. (from May 25-June 1st) The other requirements stay the same. TabuuandPeach 18:10, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Take a minute to create a Gmail account, or use a nonsense email. --Steve (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

So with the nonsense email, does it mean it doesn't exist? TabuuandPeach 21:08, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes. rj89434h23gg94h@rk2389.net --Steve (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Tabuuandpeach

On User:Serpent King's talk page, he talked about smash wiki. We don't really care about other wiki's problems. He set up a rude image on there as well, it was a can that said "Spam". He also has had many warnings.MasterDoopliss (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

Porplemotage, he doesn't know that it's officially over, on Serpent King's Talk Page, I told him it was over, the SmashWiki business is over, so ignore him. TabuuandPeach 16:30, 21 May 2016 (EDT)

Banned from the Forums.

Help me! I have been banned from the Forums! they said I was spamming, that was wrong, how can I be banned from the Forums from posting in the counting section? Contact Glowsquid on the Forums. A guy on the forums banned for no reason is not good. Im TabuuandPeach 19:51, 23 May 2016 (EDT) and I approve this message.

I'm not a moderator, but you were banned due to spamming irrevelant images in the Real-Life photos thread and refusing to stop when warned. Stargazing ♥♥♥♥ 11:52, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

Well, I stopped and went to the counting section. TabuuandPeach 12:07, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

You weren't banned for no reason. You had overall low quality posts and you made forum games that broke general rules so you can get results you want and that no one has fun playing with you and you revived finished forum games so you can get results you want. You're banned for those reasons aside from being told multiple times to stop posting crap images in the Real Life photos thread. I'm sorry to say this, but get better at posting or leave. Ray Trace^(T|C) 1

2:20, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

One more thing, the forums and the wiki operate as separate entities. All you're doing here is dragging drama from the forums and cultivating an even more negative image than you already have. Given that you've dragged drama from SmashWiki as well, you're on the road for another warning, especially for general incompetence. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 12:43, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

That's with my Miiverse posts also. Okay the "Drama" has stopped. TabuuandPeach 19:13, 26 May 2016 (EDT)

Implement This Change?

This topic kind of died down but what do you think about MarioWiki talk:Image Use Policy#MediaWiki Headers? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:06, 25 May 2016 (EDT)

Interwiki Addition

Would it be a good idea to include The Cutting Room Floor in the Interwiki table? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 15:17, 5 July 2016 (EDT)

Thanks! Although the first usage was User:Wildgoosespeeder/sandbox, this will be loads more useful on pages in Category:Pre-release and unused content. Some other people and I have also uploaded images copied from The Cutting Room Floor and need to link to the page as to give us a way to cite where the image was copied from to avoid being accused of plagiarism. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 17:21, 5 July 2016 (EDT)

image maps

It seems that pages that contain Image Maps, like this one, are being polluted by an unclosed <a> tag produced by the new version of the image map software. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 11:35, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Thank you for telling me! Fixed now. --Steve (talk) 15:59, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Thanks! Can it be fixed by "clearing the cache" i.e. removing the page and restoring it? I've also noticed that there are overlapping divs on the top-right corner of certain pages like Category:To be deleted. -- A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 02:36, 9 July 2016 (EDT)

MarioWiki had MediaWiki Software Upgraded

Thanks for upgrading this Wiki to the latest version! Special:Version and [1]. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 13:16, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Cache Refresh

I noticed the cache for Special:UnusedFiles and other related Special:SpecialPages were not refreshed last night. Please can you give it a manual refresh? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 14:26, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

User:MarioWiki Admins

May you please enter the account into the Bot usergroup? Cheers.

Shokora (talk · edits) 18:34, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

Checkuser

Hey. Would you perhaps support the possibility of having a drop down "Reason" menu for Checkuser? Reasons could be as follows.

• Routine new user check
• Suspected sockpuppet account
• Matching a vandal account

Maybe some more too, but I can't think of any at the moment.

Shokora (talk · edits) 14:47, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

You got it! --Steve (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

Thanks so much! And I suppose I could add more reasons if I think of any, now that I've seen how it's formatted on MediaWiki.

Shokora (talk · edits) 16:15, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

Tabber feature?

Would support for Tabber be possible or appropriate for this wiki? --Zootalo (Talk)

We don't need it. --Steve (talk) 19:55, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

Paper Mario screenshots

If a screenshot needs to be cropped to remove black borders or have transparency added (if a game element overlaps the border), note it in {{aboutfile}} parameter #4.

This seems to assume that everyone uses the screenshot button on the emulator. As far as I know, some of the commercial screenshot-taking utilities have a magnifier tool. Users of such tools might get a borderless Paper Mario screenshot directly, and it might have never occurred to them that the black border is part of the hardware output, and that the screenshot is actually cropped. Some newbies also mistake the black borders as part of the emulator window. Is the #4 parameter going to document what is different from the hardware output? If so, having some explanation on MW:UPLOAD might prevent possible misunderstanding.

By the way, it seems that galleries are still left-aligned in the mobile view. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 12:52, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

Sure, different from hardware. We're looking into a dedicated help page for this stuff which will be linked in the image policy. Thanks for the galleries tip. --Steve (talk) 19:55, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

It should be encouraged to use the screenshot function of emulators (pressing a keyboard shortcut, menu option, etc.) and not use something like Snipping Tool, unless otherwise stated. As for looking into a dedicated help page, is this going to be the shape of things to come related to YoshiKong (talk)'s policy drafts or my page? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 22:47, 1 August 2016 (EDT)

Probably. I'm not working on it. Ask around! --Steve (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

Thanks, but the new wording bugs me as not everyone knows what the "hardware output" means. What about mentioning the emulator's screenshot button explicitly? It seems to work well as a criterion for whether a black border "belongs" to a screenshot or not. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 23:29, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

That would go on the new help page. --Steve (talk) 23:33, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

On the Help:Screenshots-to-be? Well, that would be great. Yeah, galleries now look much better in mobile view. Thanks! A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 00:04, 1 August 2016 (EDT)

{{Quote}} and {{LLQuote}}

Hi. I saw that you turned {{Quote}} from something like ...<br>...<br> into a <div>. While this is a big improvement, it doesn't help the case where a left-side picture goes immediately under the quotation. What about using the <p> element instead? It seems to regulate the inter-paragraph space in more cases like the one I linked to above. -- A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 10:05, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

Thanks - good idea! --Steve (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

Wii U in Mobile View?

I browsed MarioWiki to replace a Wii U image for Super Mario 3D World. I think a recent update or your modifying of CSS files related to mobile devices is sending a false positive to the Wii U because it is more than capable of loading this website without the assistance of mobile view. If at all possible, can you make an exception somewhere for Wii U users to load in desktop view as default instead of mobile view? It can be difficult to use mobile view to submit images. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:02, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

Can't you just toggle to Desktop view? --Steve (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

Yes...but wouldn't it be nice if desktop mode was default for Wii U users? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:10, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

I'm running a test today and sending iPad users to the mobile site, as Wikipedia does, to see how it affects user engagement. Interesting that it affected Wii U. Are you using the iPad user agent? --Steve (talk) 02:15, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

I think the trigger is based on what the PHP detects as the browser. I think there are special builds for mobile devices or what the Wii U or 3DS uses. I think the detection is the same/similar compared to desktop versions. I have no idea what iPad user agent is because I don't own an iPad. All I know for sure is that it is possible to detect a Wii U because Loadiine and browserhax load something very different for the Wii U and 3DS respectively that won't happen on any other kind of device accessing the URL. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:28, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

Ok, I understand what happened. Thanks! --Steve (talk) 03:03, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

Template:Foreignname

Your last edit to that page replaced the non-ASCII characters with question marks. Was that intentional or a mistake? A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 22:50, 8 August 2016 (EDT)

Whoops, thanks! --Steve (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2016 (EDT)

Favor

Thanks for taking care of that vandal (I could've kept going all day if I wanted to, haha).

Can you remove the summary for this edit for me, please? I don't want people to get the wrong idea here... 12:43, 9 August 2016 (EDT)

Thanks :) 12:53, 9 August 2016 (EDT)

You're welcome! And thanks for reverting those edits. --Steve (talk) 13:09, 9 August 2016 (EDT)

Any time. 13:16, 9 August 2016 (EDT)

Maybe hide these three as well? driftmaster130 (Talk • Edits) 14:15, 9 August 2016 (EDT)