Talk:Recorder

5 whistles?

Somebody once told me he saw someone get 5 whistles. Does anyone know anything about this? Zoidberg 09:34, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Sounds like a lie. There are only three Warp Whistles in the game. -- Son of Suns

I thought so to, but I thought I'd check. I though maybe it was some sort of game genie thing or something.Zoidberg 09:54, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Is the fourth Warp Whistle real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHfXNAcHVk

This video is a response to the alleged Fourth Warp Whistle trick from the Japanese release, and comes to the conclusion that the World 5-1 glitch will not yield a Warp Whistle. This glitch may need further testing because it may not be legit. LinkTheLefty 16:42, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

More Whistles?

Here is a letter from Princess Peach received at the end of Ice Land:

Greetings,

I am well. Please retrieve the Magic Whistle hidden in the darkness at the end of the Third World. I have enclosed a jewel that helps protect you.

Princess Toadstool.

Is this a mistake or are there more than three Warp Whistles? Also, in the letter received at the end of Giant Land, the princess says "The thief who stole the Whistle has escaped to the east side of the Sand Dunes." However, any level with sand is in Desert Land, two worlds earlier! So... how come Mario gets this hint after he can't make use of it? Is there some way to go backwards? Ultimate Mr. L (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2016 (EDT)

Third World can be referring to the third level, that's what I think. For the latter, I believe if Mario can't go backward, it's meant as a hint if the player replays the game. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, 6 September 2016 (EDT)

Warp Whistle or Recorder

I want to move this, but I think it should be discussed about before moving. The main reason I want to move this is the warp whistle makes an appearance in Paper Mario: Color Splash in the Super Mario Bros. 3 style. It becomes a recorder if squeezed. I think a move makes more sense. I want to hear from some people before doing so. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

I disagree, since the name Warp Whistle comes from Super Mario Bros. 3, and remains so throughout all of the games remakes such as Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance 4, which are all main series games, while Paper Mario: Color Splash is just a single spin-off game. 3D Player 2010 14:36, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Paper Mario: Color Splash also shows the Recorder in its 8-bit sprite when it first appears, and it is dedicated with a "From the Developers!" note in the digital manual. I think it makes perfect sense - it's actually the original name, but the Magic/Warp Whistle terminology lost that connection. Technically, the article should be renamed anyway since "Warp Whistle" seems to come from a later guide and "Magic Whistle" is directly used in one of the princess letters and overall more consistent, though "Recorder" should really get title priority. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

The requirements for the number of people for me to make a definite decision is 10 users including myself. Patrollers and Administrators count as 2, while Proprietor and Bureaucrat count as 5. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 12:32, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

Uhh... there's no need to think about a points system like that. And high ranks do not mean more weight in discussions. Just create a TPP if there are mixed opinions about your suggestion.

Shokora (talk · edits) 13:12, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

I put up the point system because this is how they will impact my decision. I respect the decision of authority. I do not want to do a TPP yet. I think it can be settled with this. But if I decide to do a talk page proposer, the number of people that vote will be based on a regular TPP and not like what I did here. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 13:21, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

If you want to do this, start a TPP. You're not allowed to do your own system. - Reboot (talk) 13:23, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

To be honest, I only put that there because it didn't have a very high attention. I didn't know why. 10 people seemed easier to based off of than what is there. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 13:52, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

I have a few reasons why I don't want to create a TPP.

1. I don't have enough information to create it (this doesn't mean I don't know how to create a TPP). Although, someone else could create it with the proper information.

2. It is not really necessary. Basically, because of this section, I don't feel it is necessary to create a TPP.

3. There are 7 proposals out there, 6 of which are TPP. Just because this is a TPP doesn't mean that it will have more attention there than here. I know that I can have two proposals running at the same time, but that is not the issue here.

4. There is no exact time restraint. While I want to have a census quickly, I am ok with it taking a while. Also, it will be easier to move or not to move if I can execute it right away.

Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

I would say create a separate page for Recorder and mention it here. But I have limited knowledge of the connection between the two, so I could be wrong.

Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 22:17, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

The warp whistle sprite is in the Super Mario Bros. 3 style, but if squeezed, it will be a recorder like the one in real life. The music that plays when the thing card is used is the Super Mario Bros. 3 warp zone music. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

Basically, this is asking if Warp Whistle, Magic Whistle, or Recorder is the most common modern name as all three have a confirmed source(s). Yoshi the SSM (talk) 10:11, 4 November 2016 (EDT)

Rename Warp Whistle to Recorder or Magic Whistle

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

rename to recorder 11-1-3
There is a discussion above about this, but to reiterate, the term Warp Whistle only seems to have had official use in the Super Mario All-Stars guide, whereas all Super Mario Bros. 3 instruction booklets - including the one that came with Super Mario All-Stars and the standalone NES version guide - refer to it as Magic Whistle, as does the princess' sixth letter in the game. However, the item shows up again in Paper Mario: Color Splash under the name Recorder, first as its sprite form before being converted into a card, and is also referred to as such in the digital manual's developer's notes. Incidentally, the name is actually a direct reference to the item's original appearance as one of the usable treasures shown in the opening demo of The Legend of Zelda.

To summarize:

Recorder - This is simultaneously the original and latest in-game name, and in strict accordance with policy, should be the one used as the article title.

Magic Whistle - This name came from the Super Mario Bros. 3 instruction booklets, so it theoretically should be the name most associated with the Mario series, and policy does mention "most commonly used English name" to consider.

Warp Whistle - This name is only known to officially come from a Super Mario All-Stars guide; however, for what it's worth, it seems to be widely-used in popular culture according to the references in other media section of the article.

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: August 31, 2017, 23:59 (UTC)

Rename to Recorder

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per proposal.
2. Toadette the Achiever (talk) This is the current name used in Paper Mario: Color Splash.
3. TheFlameChomp (talk) "Recorder" is the most recent name used.
4. Time Turner (talk) Per all.
5. Alex95 (talk) - Per all.
6. Yoshi the SSM (talk) You have my support. Per all and above section.
7. SmokedChili (talk) Per all.
8. Chester Alan Arthur (talk) Look we can't let nostalgia overcome our own policies. If this is the name used in the vast majority of situations then that's what we should use.
9. Baby Luigi (talk) Most recent name gets priority, end of story.
10. 7feetunder (talk) Most recent in-game name with the bonus of also being the original name. Even though "Magic Whistle" did actually appear in one of Peach's letters in SMB3, #1. it isn't the most recent name, and #2. SMB3's translation was obviously phoned-in anyway (Kuribo's Shoe, Jugem's Cloud, Castle of Koopa).
11. Skuchi037 (talk) Most recent name, end of story. This was why the article on Atomic Boos was called Big Boo (Paper Mario series) and not Atomic Boo, like it probably should have been. Per all.

Rename to Magic Whistle

1. Ultimate Mr. L (talk) While the sprite is reused in Color Splash, the function is not.

• • Super Mario Bros. 3 - The item warps Mario/Luigi to the Warp Zone, allowing them to choose from a selection of worlds to travel to.
  • Paper Mario: Color Splash - This time, it's a Battle Card used offensively, a totally different function from in SMB3.

I don't believe the two appearances should be treated as the same thing and find it clear that the appearance in Color Splash is a reference, not an appearance. Therefore, I think the article should be split into Magic Whistle (as it is called that in-game in SMB3 (see my comment above)) and Recorder (covering the card in Color Splash)

Keep as Warp Whistle

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) The "Clone Jump" sticker uses the Goomba's Shoe, but it's different. Admittedly, so is the function, but most widely-used official name is stated to be used under MarioWiki:Article naming.
2. Niiue (talk) Per Doc von Shmeltwick.
3. 3D Player 2010 (talk) the Warp Whistle name is simply too iconic for any other option to be considered viable.

Comments

This seems rather cut-and-dry to me. "Recorder" is the most recent name, plus it's been used in-game. I know there's some consideration to be given for the most popular names, but that mainly for when Prima calls the Swoopers a Bat again. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:19, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

On that note, recent games call Swoopers "Swoops," which makes me want to bang my head against a wall. And SMG Swoopers are Enigmas, apparently. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2017 (CT)

Arbitrary names changes: the bane of wikis everywhere. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:22, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

"And SMG Swoopers are Enigmas, apparently." wait what Niiue (talk) 01:34, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

I believe the Japanese Mario Encyclopedia listed them as such, was it Mario JC I head it from? I can't remember.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:20, 18 August 2017 (CT)

I found about it on the Japanese Wikipedia, asked Mister Wu about it, and he confirmed it. SmokedChili (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

(Meant to type this up last night, but router got turned off) I have a different solution to all of this. Can "Recorder" just be split? While it still summons tornadoes, it doesn't actually have a warping function, instead being used offensively. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:14, 19 August 2017 (CT)

@SmokedChili: On that note, I really don't think it's deliberate, mainly because of the obvious copyright reasons. Enigma also has an entirely different way of attacking where it spontaneously splits into many smaller bats, and the Super Mario Galaxy bat's internal name in both games matches Swoop's Japanese romanization. Why, of all the things that could return from Super Mario RPG, this one very obscure and fairly unremarkable enemy, and if this is so, why not make it more recognizable? It just doesn't add up; it makes more sense to connect it to Mega Man. At best, it is another unintentionally reused name.

@Doc von Schmeltwick: No, because the cards in Paper Mario: Color Splash already have their own article, and one split is asking for all the others to be split. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:17, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Shouldn't we keep Warp Whistle as a redirect? Plenty of people refer to it as that... ~Camwood777 15:04, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Of course we'll keep it as a redirect. 15:08, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

OK, what? This entire proposal is based off of a bunch of speculation that goes beyond my standards. How in the world can you say that the Warp Whistle and the Recorder are the same exact item? You CAN'T! Lcrossmk8 (talk) 15:59, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

I can't find an image of it here, but from what I've seen on YouTube, the Warp Whistle and Recorder look the same to me. It also appears to act as a homage to Super Mario Bros. 3, the game the Warp Whistle first appeared in, by playing the same Zelda tune and SMB3 melodies. The effects may be different, but it appears to be very obviously one and the same. 16:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Items changing effects happens from time to time (e.g. Coconuts in the first two Paper Mario games, several capsules/Orbs from Mario Party 5, 6, and 7). That does not automatically make it a different item. Furthermore, a Recorder split is not viable unless we give other Things their own articles. 16:12, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

In Paper Mario: Color Splash, during Green Energy Plant's Super Mario Bros. 3-themed course, the original item - complete with 8-bit graphics also ripped straight from the same game - can be found and squeezed into a usable card. It literally is the same item in this case, unlike the Clone Jump sticker which depicts Kuribo's Shoe artwork but isn't directly the same. It honestly comes across as a naming correction to me since the connection to The Legend of Zelda was somewhat lost in translation back in Super Mario Bros. 3. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:20, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

That is still too much speculation for me. You can't say that the 8-bit item is the Warp Whistle because there's no proof of that. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 16:26, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

The proof is in the references...? 16:27, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Yes I can, and there is. They have the same design, they play the same tune, and they both summon a tornado. The only difference is the gameplay function, which as I said previously, is on its own, not valid grounds to consider it a different item. You might as well claim that the Rupees on Hyrule Circuit aren't actually Rupees, after all, when have Rupees ever made karts go faster? 16:53, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Actually, YES IT CAN. If they both serve completely different functions and share speculative similarities, then they are most definitely NOT the same item. The Rupees in Hyrule Circuit are Rupees because Nintendo made it like that. Of course they would put Rupees in a stage confirmed to be completely based off of the Legend of Zelda franchise. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Again, you see it become a card with your own eyes, and the name makes more sense given its history. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

"Of course they would put Rupees in a stage confirmed to be completely based off of the Legend of Zelda franchise." Yet an item that looks exactly like an item from SMB3 from a stage completely based off of SMB3 is not actually that item from SMB3? Your line of logic is completely lost on me. 17:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Oh, WHAT? ...Awww, damn it, I didn't think that. I'm sorry, you're right. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

My point still stands that it is the most iconic name. If somehow a game came out and "Monty Mole" was once again mistranslated as "Chubby," we wouldn't move it to that. "Warp Whistle" is very iconic to this item, and that still stands. I'll bring up the example of Mad Scienstein to back me up here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2017 (CT)

No but if Chubby was the most consistent name for Monty Mole then I would support moving it over to Chubby. Like if the next 10 games started calling them Chubby should we ignore that because a name is more "iconic." Plus these aren't even the same situations because Monty Mole is the name that shows up in multiple games whereas Warp Whistle shows up in a single player's guide. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

I don't buy the "iconic name" argument. I don't care how many people call the Spiny Shell from Mario Kart the "Blue Shell", we're not moving it to that unless Nintendo starts calling it that as well. While "Warp Whistle" does have a proper source, it is, according our naming hierarchy, the least relevant of this item's names, and it apparently has only been referred to as such in one player's guide, while both "Magic Whistle" and "Recorder" are both backed by in-game text. If you want an example of an official name, take Kuribo's Shoe. The mistranslation was well-known enough to get referenced in Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, but we don't call it Kuribo's Shoe. We call it Goomba's Shoe, it's corrected name. 18:09, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Rename Recorder to Warp Whistle or Magic Whistle, split Recorder into its own article.

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Current time: May 6, 2026, 23:04 (UTC)

Almost a decade ago now, this was renamed from Warp Whistle to Recorder based on the name of the Thing item from Paper Mario: Color Splash - however, I believe that this wasn't the right move. This judgement isn't based on the Warp Whistle being the more known or iconic name for the item, but the simple fact these are very obviously two completely different items, with one simply being a homage to the other. I'm not even sure that an argument can be made for the Color Splash Recorder being the same item as the Warp Whistle considering they serve entirely different purposes in nearly every single way.

The Warp Whistle (or Magic Whistle I suppose), is a secret bonus reward for exploration that allows you to skip to another level. The Recorder is obtained in Color Splash through a secret level, but it is simply an attack that does damage and not much else. They share a resemblance and some referential themes such as the summoning of tornadoes, but grouping them together as the same item when these items are, by and large as connected as the Flute and Magic Silver Whistle are to the original, is a mistake. I can understand why this decision was made at the time, but simultaneously this is like if the wiki decided to rename 1-Up Mushroom to Ultra Mushroom after the Thousand-Year Door remake came out because they are identical and that's the most recent appearance. Furthermore, it is, as far as I am aware, the only Color Splash Thing card with an article shared with an entirely different mechanical item from an entirely different game - with most even having bespoke articles for both Color Splash and Sticker Star's versions. Should we be merging Magnifying Glass (Paper Mario: Color Splash) with every single other instance of a Magnifying Glass mechanic across the entire series? No. That would be absurd. It wouldn't make any sense - and in this case, there's basically no world where someone is looking for both of these items in the same place.

Ultimately, these are different items. Going by the standard on how the wiki treats Color Splash and Sticker Star Things vs. other instance of those items or mechanics in other games, these should be split and this article should be referred to by its original name(s), whether Warp Whistle or Magic Whistle. Alternatively, the far more time-consuming change of consolidating all other objects should be performed to standardize this information and how it is delivered. Finally, this article could be split to provide a unique article for the Color Splash item, while preserving the Recorder name on both.

Either way, I just think this is worth revisiting in some capacity. The Recorder is a cute throwback, but it's just a reference. It's not the Warp Whistle, it serves an entirely different purpose from the Warp Whistle, and it breaks the precedent of other Color Splash item article naming.

EDIT: The point has been raised that Magic Whistle is the in-game name and has been used consistently throughout versions of SMB3 and All-Stars, whereas Warp Whistle only comes from a single guide. I don't mind if Warp Whistle wins, however I'll swap my vote personally to Magic Whistle because I think it's probably objectively more correct - particularly as Warp Whistle will probably redirect here anyway.

EDIT 2: I've since retracted this stance because official material from Nintendo of Europe has referred to the item as the Warp Whistle in 2016 in the same month as Color Splash's release in their own promotional page for the Wii U port of Super Mario Bros. 3. (or at least the GBA port). With this in mind, I find it hard to argue that the Warp Whistle and the Recorder are the "same item"

Proposer: Fun With Despair (talk)
Deadline: May 12, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Rename to Warp Whistle, split Recorder

1. Cloudwalker (talk) Very detailed proposal that I wholeheartedly agree with.
2. EvieMaybe (talk) per proposal.
3. Wandering Poplin (talk) Per all. Especially since "Warp Whistle" is a much cooler name than "Recorder" anyhow.
4. TheCatLover738 (talk) Per all. Lumping completely different game mechanics into one article creates confusion for readers who may be unfamiliar with the subject at all.
5. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Per all.
6. LadySophie17 (talk) Warp that recorder out of here.
7. Fun With Despair (talk) Per proposal, swapping my vote back from Magic Whistle. LinkTheLefty does raise a good point about Magic Whistle as the in-game name, but as recent as 2016 (in the same month as Color Splash's release, no less), Nintendo of Europe did refer to the item as the Warp Whistle on their official site for the Wii U port - implying that it's not only an official name, but the most recent official name used in marketing materials to refer to the SMB3 iteration.
8. Okapii (talk) Per all!
9. Toadbert101 (talk) This reminds me a lot of the Pianta Thrower change, which made no sense from the practicality standpoint in that no one calls it that. This has always been the Whistle, which is a different real world instrument than a Recorder. I would argue they wanted to homage the original Legend of Zelda item more than the SMB3 one, because this looks visually not very much like the SMB3 sprite at all Apparently it is very much an SMB3 reference which honestly shocks me, but I stand by my other points
10. PopitTart (talk) Heavily referencing a previous game doesn't make two items the same.
11. Jdtendo (talk) Per all.

Leave as-is

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) This is overlooking the fact that the Super Mario Bros. 3 reference in Color Splash is painfully overt (using the exact same 8-bit sprite before "squeezing" into the card, even found behind the same exact end-of-stage scene in a retro SMB3-style course) and it is comparable to other genre-jumping power-up items like the Frog Suit (this might be worth a bigger discussion, but it's not what the proposal is about).
2. Sorbetti (talk) This is not different from the SMB3 object. Otherwise, per LinkTheLefty.
3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per, this seems pretty cut-and-dry a different role for the same thing.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) When you use the Recorder in Color Splash, it literally summons a tornado, and even if it's as an attack rather than as a fast travel option, the fact that, when you first encounter it, it literally recycles the 8-bit sprite verbaitim, tells us that this is meant to be the same item, just re-contextualized to fit in with the rest of Color Splash's Thing items. We can't think of any real reasons to split this unless we split every single Thing to its own page, or like... Just really dislike the idea of having Color Splash on a Super Mario Bros. 3 page for some reason? The former isn't something we really do, and the latter is pretty obviously not a valid reason for a split, so we doubt it's that.

Comments

It should be noted that the Japanese name for the Recorder Thing in Color Splash is specifically タテブエ Tatebue. Not even the Zelda Wiki (as the whistle seemed to have originated from the first LoZ) calls their flute item this, instead opting for フエ Fue, which matches with the item's name in the Japanese SMB3 manual. It seems they have been merged together simply because the Color Smash Thing plays the same melody and causes whirlwinds to appear.
That might be valid enough for some... but to be frank, I just find it a bit strange to merge Things with typical Mario items. Keep in mind that Turnip (Thing) is kept separate from Turnip, too, rend (talk) (edits) 02:36, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

The article also mentions it is found in the Green Energy Plant's SMB3 love-letter area. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:34, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

In this case,「タテブエ」is simply the more specific word for a recorder (the originally intended object).「フエ」is precisely why the translation was inconsistent in the first place. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:23, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

Guys, I checked this personally, and "Magic Whistle" is the in-game name in every single version of Super Mario Bros. 3. "Whistle" might even be better shorthand if you want to keep it simple - "Warp Whistle" breaks naming policy and shouldn't be an option. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:23, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

I could probably be convinced to swap to Magic Whistle, to be honest. I only defaulted to Warp Whistle as the previous name of the article - Magic Whistle does indeed seem to be the most "canonical" name for the item in SMB3, which considering the vastly different purposes between the SMB3 whistle and the Color Splash recorder, is half the point of this proposal. --Fun With Despair (talk) 14:42, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

Just checked, and in terms of naming, the official Nintendo page for the Game Boy Advance port of the game refers to the item as the Warp Whistle. As this page is currently supported by Nintendo and was created in 2016 with the Wii U release of the game, it is the most recent source for the item's name, especially as all versions of Super Mario Bros. 3 since have been ports that have changed nothing. With this official source in mind, as well as the recency and commonality, I have a hard time seeing why Warp Whistle doesn't fit naming policy after revisiting the issue. Official Nintendo marketing via twitter has also used the name "Warp Whistle", so it's not like it's fanon. --Fun With Despair (talk) 16:09, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

The policy gives deference to the in-game names, which we know we have (never mind that the site notes that Wii U downloads were discontinued and NoE pages tend to last longer than NoA - I have to check for electronic manuals, but I suspect they match the printed manuals that Nintendo offers). If product pages override games and manuals now, why isn't there a call to change Hammer Suit to Hammer Bros. Suit? Besides that, I just remembered: Super Mario Bros. 3 was added to the Nintendo Music app last year. If we're counting newer out-of-game references, "Magic Whistle Melody & Warp Zone" is a recent corroborative source. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:47, May 1, 2026 (UTC)

Just so the support is clear, Paper Mario: Color Splash will not be fully removed from the article if the proposal passes; as noted, the whistle transforms into the card, so the card info will be split into its own smaller article while the object will remain here and in the template (which, if I recall correctly, isn't how the game's card subjects are typically covered: for example, POW Block); also, SMB3-related articles should still be using the "Magic Whistle" term per policy, which makes the "Warp Whistle" use case fairly narrow (this is also why I would prefer the alternate in-game name "Whistle" if the article title had to change, as it's a 'universal' part of the name). LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:45, April 29, 2026 (UTC)

One important point I feel should be mentioned regarding the Recorder/Warp Whistle connection is that the Claw Hammer is a very comparable scenario, but yet it is not currently considered to be the same subject as the item from SMB3, nor has it been merged to the Hammer article. (And it absolutely shouldn't be. That page is already bloated enough as it is!) Wandering Poplin (talk) 01:03, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

"The pleasant, nostalgic melody makes you feel like you're being whirled up into the sky."

"This steel-headed hammer is harder than the one Mario usually uses. It can even break huge rocks that might be blocking your path."

I think that's straightforward. Sorbetti (talk) 01:08, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

I think there may have been a bit of a misunderstanding here. I wasn't referring to the "RPG melee-weapon Hammer", I specifically meant the "World map, rock-smashing Hammer item from SMB3."

The Claw Hammer initially borrows the appearance of the latter, much like how the Warp Whistle/Recorder is initially represented. The second half of its description even references its function in that game.

• "This steel-headed hammer is harder than the one Mario usually uses. It can even break huge rocks that might be blocking your path."

I certainly understand the confusion though, the state of the Hammer article is... a very convoluted mess, which can hopefully be resolved soon. Wandering Poplin (talk) 01:33, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

I see, thanks for explaining. The Hammer page is currently a mess, as you mentioned, full of different things, and the SMB3 item seems to be no exception. Now that I see it, the thing is, the color splash is the same item from SMB3 but adapted to the game and its fighting system. So it wouldn't surprise me if the SMB3 Hammer ends up on the Claw Hammer page. Sorbetti (talk) 01:47, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

.ᐟ I completely forgot about the Claw Hammer. It even uses an updated name too. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:00, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

@Fun With Despair There are quite a few flaws in this proposal that either don't state the facts correctly or omit information altogether, such as "there are very obviously two completely different items, with one simply being a homage to the other," when they both serve the same function of creating a tornado; "entirely different purposes in nearly every single way" (not true; they are objects that help you in the game, and the only real difference is that one is an attack item and the other is a world item); "the only Color Splash Thing card with an article shared with an entirely different mechanical item from an entirely different game" (not true either; there is the Claw Hammer, which is a wholly separate case); "they share a resemblance and some referential themes," and many other things that Camwoodstock pointed out. Finally, "cute throwback, but it's just a reference". This is simply not true for all the reasons I mentioned. You even said in the proposal that the Magic Whistle "is a secret bonus reward for exploration", but the Record is the exact same thing; just look at the video that LinkTheLefty brought up above. I think you should improve these arguments to show complete information and, also, if you want, notify the users who voted about the changes. Sorbetti (talk) 03:05, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

Strong disagree on the Claw Hammer case - the Claw Hammer item in Color Splash DOES have a different article from its SMB3 item despite being an ostensible reference, which sets a precedent that this article arbitrarily does not follow. The fact that they both spawn a tornado is also, in my opinion, not relevant. The tornado in the case of the original SMB3 item is simply a means to transport you to the warp zone, whereas the tornado in Color Splash acts as a direct attack. These are clearly different functions regardless of aesthetic - and aesthetic/reference should not take any precedent over the actual functionality and purpose of the item. See Genie Lamp vs. Magic Lamp (Gaddget). Both are ostensibly the same item, or at least the latter is a reference to the former, yet they serve different purposes across different games. This precedent far precedes the Warp Whistle/Recorder debate, and why should these two clearly different items be any exception? In any case, citing Claw Hammer is truly damning. If that article is segregated from Hammer, which contains info on the SMB3 item it is referencing in an identical way as the Recorder references the Warp Whistle, then there is no reason this article should remain merged with the Color Splash Thing. --Fun With Despair (talk) 03:24, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

I thought saying "which is a wholly separate case" was enough, but I see it's not the case. The reason the SMB3 hammer isn't on the Claw Hammer page has nothing to do with them being the same item or not, but rather with the current state of the Hammer page, which is a mess. Therefore, it's a separate case, which remains valid since Claw Hammer is still an item extracted from SMB3 either way. I think you didn't understand my message. I'm not asking you to debate whether you consider it important for both whistles to summon tornadoes, but rather that you didn't include it in the proposal. It doesn't matter if you disagree with these arguments; they should still be in the proposal, and you should counter them with your own arguments within the proposal itself because they are important. Sorbetti (talk) 03:37, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

This isn't about the Hammer page, and if you think that needs reworking to support the Claw Hammer and/or vice-versa, that is an unrelated issue. Your opinion on the state of that page at this moment is not relevant to the proposal, but the current state of the Claw Hammer and Hammer articles as completely distinct and separate with one being labeled a reference to the other rather than the same item is. Furthermore, you did not address my Magic Lamp case, which is very much the same scenario as we see with the Recorder. In any case, if you really want me to add the notion that they both summon tornadoes, I am happy to oblige and have added that to the proposal - however my argument remains identical to the one given already. These items serve entirely different purposes, regardless of what wind-based weather phenomena they summon, and I frankly doubt that any voter will be swayed by this addition --Fun With Despair (talk) 03:47, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

Doesn't the Gaddget have the possibility of player failure instead of being a guaranteed-use item like the other games in the series? LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:17, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

Yes, the Gaddget is different in functionality - but that is my point. The Gaddget Magic Lamp is correctly treated as a different item than the original Magic Lamp because it does different things, instead being treated by the wiki as a distinct item that is a reference to the original. Likewise, the Recorder from Color Splash is an item that fills a completely different role in a completely different game, but serves as a reference to the original Warp/Magic Whistle. My point is that it should be given the same treatment as the Magic Lamps have now --Fun With Despair (talk) 15:57, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

Yes, the Gaddget is different in functionality, but Mario Party has other entries of the same series with the same style of gameplay to draw from, so I'm not sure what the use is to focus on that. It's seen as derived from the main subject as one of the trick mushrooms or blocks. Putting aside that and for a moment, can we agree that depicts ? If so, keep in mind that pre- and post-flattened/squeezed Thing objects generally do not occupy separate articles - Claw Hammer fell through the cracks during discussions on how to clean up the Hammer page, so it's not a gotcha so much as a whoopsie. It seems like a nice fix to give the SMB3 items the same treatment. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:39, April 30, 2026 (UTC)

I agree that they use the same sprite and the use of said sprite (and the item in general) in Color Splash is a reference to the SMB3 item, but not that they are the same item. PopitTart raises the example of the SMB2 Mushroom in his support vote, and I believe it is a case almost identical to that item. They look identical, they are explicitly a reference to the game they originate from, but they serve different purposes and therefore have different articles. Look, I understand your point and I also agree that it is good if these SMB3 Color Splash reference items have the same treatment - we just disagree on what that treatment is (I would prefer they be separate, both the whistle and claw hammer, due to different mechanical purposes) and I don't know if my mind will be changed on the subject. --Fun With Despair (talk) 00:53, May 1, 2026 (UTC)

The SMB2 Mushroom sprite isn't identical, being recolored from the original by notably having a blue outline like the SMB2 character sprites (except Princess/Toadette). LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:11, May 1, 2026 (UTC)

@Camwoodstock I just checked the page listing all the Color Splash Thing cards, and they all DO have completely distinct articles already except for the Recorder, which is shared with the SMB3 Whistle. Part of your argument hinges on how you can't think of a reason to do this unless all the Things were split, but the fact of the matter is that they already are split and the Recorder/Warp Whistle is a strange exception to the rule. --Fun With Despair (talk) 01:00, May 1, 2026 (UTC)

I also feel that the Things from Paper Mario: Sticker Star all have their own distinct article as well, at most sharing it with a Color Splash thing (Magnifying Glass being the exception, as it functions differently between the two games). The Recorder really IS the exception here. rend (talk) (edits) 13:16, May 3, 2026 (UTC)