Category talk:Hubs

This category is too loose

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This category is not meeting my expectations on what a "Hub" category should contain. I'm going to quickfire some outliers here.

• The Odyssey isn't a hub. It is a friendly area for Mario on all of the game's maps, and it is used to travel between the game's maps, but it is not a hub. Fundamentally, the ship that flies between areas is not connected to each of those areas. This is doubly true because the player does not enter the Odyssey in order to make it fly, meaning the Odyssey also is not a transitional area of the game. For all intents and purposes, the game Super Mario Odyssey does not have a hub in the same way Super Mario 64 has the Mushroom Castle (Super Mario 64) and Super Mario Galaxy has the Comet Observatory. The Odyssey is less of a hub than Starship Mario from Super Mario Galaxy 2 is. The Odyssey should not be in this category.
• Sarasaland, to my knowledge, is just the setting of Super Mario Land. There's no playable environment that is defined as Sarasaland, rather all of the locations implemented and explorable in the game are levels in one of the Birabuto Kingdom, Muda Kingdom, Easton Kingdom, or Chai Kingdom. We should remove Sarasaland from this category.
• The World of Trophies is a setting and world map. World maps are not hubs, unless we are going to add Sprixie Kingdom to this category. We shouldn't do that, therefore the World of Trophies is not a hub.
• The Planet of Trials links to five different locations in a game that has 50 or so locations (Counting domes, the Planet of Trials and galaxies, but not the Comet Observaatory itself and the "center of the universe". If we're letting that count a hub, then all the domes in Super Mario Galaxy should also be hubs. Additionally, Wiggler's Tree House and Mushrise Park should count as hubs because they also connect a larger number of locations than the majority of areas in their respective game. (Wiggler's Tree House has three exits, and as a course without hazards and enemies its extremely close to being functionally a friendly area. Mushrise Park connects to 5 real world locations as well as Dreamy Mushrise Park.)

I think we have to nail down what we want "Hub" to mean and then audit this category's contents to make sure they fit, because these are some strange inclusions. I suggest being more stringent on the hub being an explorable space. Salmancer (talk) 12:01, January 10, 2026 (EST)

Come to think of it, I don't know why the Flower Kingdom was treated as a "Hub," either.

Petal Isles might count, but the entire kingdom? Perhaps there's this misunderstanding somewhere about the difference between "main setting," and "Hub world," which aren't necessarily the same thing.

(Isle Delfino had this issue as well.) Wandering Poplin (talk) 12:31, January 10, 2026 (EST)

I also don't know if Flopside belongs here, considering how (aside from sub-areas and the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials) it only links to Flipside and Castle Bleck.

Compared to Flipside, which is most certainly a Hub area, Flopside's inclusion in this category feels a bit more... forced. Wandering Poplin (talk) 12:38, January 10, 2026 (EST)