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Why Wario is a super hero if he is a very bad guy
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That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link.LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)
I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)
If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.--Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?--Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)
The writing is AWFUL
I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.
I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)
You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. --FanOfYoshi 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? (T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)
Please just remove Mario's dang height....
There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?
If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019
Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but
Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this...
GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019
First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.
Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.
Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! --FanOfYoshi 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...
And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?
Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.
As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.
I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.
Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.
Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.
Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.pngpointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpgartworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...
I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by KrazyKaos42212 (talk).
You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
Re: Mario's Playschool
While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? --LordG.matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Flappy Bird
It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogogomario (talk).
He doesn't, that's from a fake video. MarioJC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)
Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)
Religion
I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!! The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).
Please provide a source for this claim. (T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Mario's hair
Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
split.
jumpman is not mario The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatYoshi (talk).
He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)
That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023
"Vulgar Tendencies"
Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [1]Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
Mario's latest appearance
It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was
Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020) The preceding unsigned comment was added by PROPLAYEN (talk).
Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. MarioJC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality
Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.
—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?
Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.
Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)
~ Goldyfish110
He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)
To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.
Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.
Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.
I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.
When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...
Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn'thaveaconsistentheight. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)
The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the twointerviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)
Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...
Hi, is it okay that I change this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
Into this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)
Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary
I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)
(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.
<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>
One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅
Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but
Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)
No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)
I think it should be fine to change it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)
That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)
I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but
I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)
I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadforallI want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)
New Apparence in a game
I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.
That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. MarioJC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)
Vulgar Nonsense
Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)
Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)
I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Is the Mario page still not well put together?
So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?
I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).
I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)
Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?
If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).
No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)
"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "
Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)
It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Support! -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)
All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Proper Catchphrase for Mario
I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Early sources for Mario's occupations
An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.
Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.
The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.
If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)
Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.
So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's Species
I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
New Image
Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)
Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good.
Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)
Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?
Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)
You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Role Section
I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)
I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?
Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
Header text
Header text
Header text
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)
Ah, sorry to bother you at such a late hour. D: I'm all right; high school's nice, almost the end of my freshman year. It's been fast, actually. :o Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Hope to talk to ya soon. By the way, do you or your bros have Skypes or Steam accounts? Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Mario Kart Wii Character Select Icons
Hey MC, do you mind if you could put all the currently uploaded icons of MKW and put them in Gallery:Mario Kart Wii?--UM3000
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Friend request
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Just a friendly reminder
Before you process to merge an article with another one (Like you did with Ax), I think you should first discusss on the concerned article talkpage, not everyone might agree with you and it will avoid the sysops pointless deleting work that could have be easily avoid with a discussion. If another user disagree, but you still think your stance is valid, you can run a Proposal to see what the community point of view is.
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Blitzwing, understand?
Hello. Knife suited me better, right?Knife (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Impersonation
Thanks for impersonating me on Userpedia today! But CheckUser tells no lies. Wa TC@Y 15:52, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Dummmmmmy, you should've just left me alone when I added you to my enemy's list. Besides, you have a lot others, like I dared to tramp you -_-' User:Crypt raider/sig
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you have asperger's syndrome?
cool! me too Bigger sid 11:20, 23 February 2008 (EST)
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"However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike."
And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob.
Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster
Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11)
Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
Quote
We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns
Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk)
Images
No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus
That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk)
Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. PaperJorge
I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns
Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk)
For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)
I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? PaperJorge
To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk)
I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns
It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk)
Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns
Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk)
You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST)
You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST)
Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk)
Vote for quote
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST)
“So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!”
I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~Luigihc
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
Quality of writing is low.
Grammar needs major work.
Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy.
We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2.
Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting.
Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named).
“You”s need to be removed.
Powers and abilities can be expanded.
Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed.
Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber
And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
SSBB Pics
Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine
I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
Mario and Wario, cousins?
When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? ShroobyThe Wario fan here wanna know.
-sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:(
Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Plumber?
Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Image
The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
quote change
The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? LuigfreakMai talk
Creator of Wario
As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT)
Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Wario Waft
In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST)
Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood...
Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Quote to long
I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page...
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It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood...
New Wario image?
In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model.
Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST)
Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
Wario World Quote
In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab!
Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C)
partners in time (cameo)
in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center.
Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine.
while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario.
a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg
at 8:02
Introduction sentence
Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
Profiles and Statistics page
I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
The Super Mario Bros Super Show
I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ?
About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64
The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk)
I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter.
No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST)
The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor.
Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk -Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say.
Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'.
I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE
The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Primary image
Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs.
My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me!
I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
and now it's long!
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'Negative' Impact
I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall
it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
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Age
Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK
Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)
Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)
For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.
b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.
c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.
So, either B or C.
Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns
Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
- Yoshi Master
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. PaperJorge
I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13
May 2007 (EDT)
I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins...
User:Remiel
If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK
In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Mario is about 27.
Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)
At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK
I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)
I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!
They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins.
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.
I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)
SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
Images
If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). PaperJorge
Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398
Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine
Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398
If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) XzelionETC
Super Mario 64 DS
May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns
Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7
Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwjakesteel (talk).
Spring Cleaning!
THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10
It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns
I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
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Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote.
Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.
Relationships
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
Klaus Kratchet
In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.
Vote for the Main Quote
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.
change to option 1 3-1-1
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing
Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game
SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.
Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.
Option 2
Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Option 3
I think this option should be because:
1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario
and
2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud
vote for the Main quote
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
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Super Mario Galaxy
Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))
There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)
Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))
"Paper" Luigi...
Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.
Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!E
Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNGPrincess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)
Luigi's Final Smash
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc
Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article. The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
Where does he get that smash from anyway? The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
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Early artwork
Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)
The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi
That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi
It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)
You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi
A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Out of Order Pictures
I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]
Melee
how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911
I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Pizza!
From Wikipedia:
"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".
I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Luigi Mario?
OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOCPARTIER.
Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOCPARTIER.
Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros..
Interactions with other characters
I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK
But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK
The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus(T • C • E)
King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
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why is he in the police catagory? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"
Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.
And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.
How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk)
Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)
That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace(T|C)
Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!
Meaning
I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)
Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace(T|C)
Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Luigi in Brawl
I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)
The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)
Weegee
I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
-_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK~GameFreak~OUT!
I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
information actually about Luigi
In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Different in SMB3?
The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
2 Sections
How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. HappyHalloween!
There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)
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merge 6-1
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.
Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Support
Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.
I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk)
I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk)
Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Parent category
Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996(Talk)
In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk)
Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Quote
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}
Perhaps [6] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
Plus, it would go with Mario's well. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
Split a SMG Luigi into a new article
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split neither 0-5-14
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.
Proposer: 1337star (talk) Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.
Split the playable Luigi
Split the NPC Luigi
Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)
No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996(Talk)
I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)
1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)
"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"
Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.
Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)
An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace(T|C)
People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Luigi's Mansion
Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
New picture for info box
I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me!
I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.
In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.
With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...
--108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus
Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk).
Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi
Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time?
Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943)
and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Link to this? Ray Trace(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
First appearance
Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends
Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me!
Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)
"I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote
It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Hello
Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Paper Mario
At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
Luigi's Death Stare
I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58
First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Problem
There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)
I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario!Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.
Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)
lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)
What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.
@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)
I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk)
Mario + Rabbids not on here
Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig
Mario and Luigi
On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.
Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. --LordG.matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Only Appearance
The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)
Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig
It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk)
It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)
You see, the images that are on main page aren't supposed to be fully protected. Anyway, I've replaced this image to this one, so I though that you'll delete the old one and semi-protect the new one. SWFlash
My apologies, it was a mistake, I usually protect them to block out non-autoconfirmed users, but for some reason beyond me, I effed up and protected it to be admin only. @_@ XzelionETC
Friends
I never asked. Do you want to be friends? =P Supremo 10:34, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
I'm interested in this and don't really want to see it go to waste. If you don't mind, would you give me some more information on it before I look into signing up? - Turboo(Talk)
Well, my original plan was for the Wiki to be able to play this game together, as odd as that sounds. If you have ever been around the Wiki (I'm sure you have), then you know how it is with users making edits everywhere. I wanted it to act as an improvement drive for said game, sadly however, it hasn't drawn much attention and I, due to my hectic life haven't been able to give it the time and leadership it needs. I'd appreciate your sign-up, but I've asked SMB to put it on hold till I'm able to help out like I should be. XzelionETC
Alright, thanks. If I have enough free time to work on the articles, I'll sign up whenever it resumes. - Turboo(Talk)
Userpedia
I'm interested in joining. I can't create one, so can you please make an account for me? (With same username for that account and the forum's) Thanks. MarioJC
Thanks, I appreciate it. :) By the way, when I said the "forum's" above, I meant I have the same name in the MarioWiki forum, not for a Userpedia forum account. Sorry. Wait, there's a Userpedia forum? MarioJC
please
hey Xzelion can you make an account for me in userpedia? R3D347H wuz here
Sure, just let me know what username you want, and I need to know if you have a forum account so I can pm you the password. XzelionETC
I want my username to be "DKPetey99" and I have a forum account on this wiki. My name is "DKPetey99". DKPetey99TCE 08:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Username:GEX and I don't have a forum account:(.maybe later.yes...
R3D347H wuz here
Can you PM it to me now? DKPetey99TCE 17:38, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Userpedia
I made my page and thanks a lot for creating an account. I also want to sign up for the userpedia mario kart game. Can you make me artwork for that by using this and this, but without the King Boo? Please?!!!??? DKPetey99TCE 19:40, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
I made an oops.
I accidentally created pages Template:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig and DemeGeek/Sig/Sig while trying to edit User:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig... Can you please delete them?
Hello! I wanted to create an account on Userpedia, but it seems I needed to consult an administrator, and I was told that you might be able to help me. So please if it's possible, can you help me get an account on Userpedia? If so then thank you very much!
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
I almost forgot, if you needed my Forum name it's "Ryex617" sorry about that....
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
I was hoping to use my forum name "Ryex617". Thanks!
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
Userpedia again
Can you make me an acount on Userpedia? Yoshidude99
Hey um Kaptain K. Rool wants to have a Userpedia account. Can u please do that? He wants his username to be Kaptain K. Rool and he has a Forums account.[7]YoshiGo99
question?
My proposal on splitting the Giant Banana article hits its 4 week deadline today and it's not looking like either side will reach a 3 vote margin so when i archive it should i just archive it as failed or should a mention that it reached its deadline and that's why it failed Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
RE: Dude
Not a whole lot man, to be honest I didn't know you still edited yourself. :P YELLOWYOSHI398
mind if i could have a userpedia account as i cant create one and i know you can make one as your a admin of userpedia heres a username
Bowser Jrs Number 1 Fan thanks for your time bowser jrsnumber 1 fan
Hi
Can you make me an account for UserPedia? Please? 'Cause, YoshiDude99 was gonna ask you...
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than August 13th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Another person you probably don't know asking for a Userpedia account
I have a forum account already, name there is Dr. Javelin with a period instead of my wiki account which has none. I'd like the same name as this account. Dr Javelin (talk)
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than September 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
I was just a 'Shroomy lad, never knew no good from bad...!
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than October 8th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
This is RIDICULOUS. I have been getting Warnings of every kind left and right today. All I did was give Raven Effect a proper Waning for being immature and rude. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
Whoa. Deja Vu.
I just KNEW you would say what you just said about sarcasm! But seriously, why are you not banned? You are rude and a troll with a rank. You call users morons, you flame, you ruin the wiki. From what I've seen, you were better as GG. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
What is wrong with this picture? I What planet are you from, to think that sarcasm's ok? Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
Userpedia
Can you create an account for me there? My forum name is "Mario and Luigi". Mario & Luigi
It's that time of the month...
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than November 12th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Edofenrir your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than December 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, tell me, and I'll be sure to work something out.
In addition, this issue of The 'Shroom is a Special HOLIDAY Issue! In addition to your regular sections, you are invited to write one or more special guest sections on any topic, and should submit your special section on December 14th. Review a game you like, give us a Christmas story, play a game, maybe draw some Christmas artwork, there's so much choice! You are not required to write a special guest section for the Special Holiday Issue, but it is encouraged. There will be awards given out in the issue for the best writers for The 'Shroom, so be sure to impress us this month! Season's greetings to everyone, and an excellent New Year!
This is an important notice: the New Year Special Issue and the December issue have been merged together into the Holiday Special Issue. Please reread the special Holiday 'Shroom template above for updated information. · SMB(Talk) · 18:44, 4 December 2011 (EST)
userpedia
can you make me an account on userpedia?
in hopes of an account, --robokoopa(Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Happy 'Shroom Year!
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than January 14th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than February 11th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Sorry about that. Binarystep (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2012 (EST) (formerly Paperphailurethemariomonster99!)
Big Bubble
Where do they appear in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix? I watched a video of that Ghost House and didn't see one. Screenshot, please? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
I'm surprised that you've got 37 archives, even more than Porplemontage, who has only 13 archives! Seriously, do you hold the "Number of Pages Archived MarioWiki Record"?! Mari0fan100 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
Curious Question
Out of Curiosity, What did the redirect, Super Mario Bros. 5, redirect to. You deleted it. So I'm curious to know. --Partier (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
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Text replacement: Requests are valid when you've manually updated all templates and the number of mainspace links after doing so is at least 25.
Metal Mario (character)
Can you change all instances of [[Metal Mario (character)|Metal Mario]] to just [[Metal Mario]]? Thanks in advance. - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
Identifiers
Hey I saw you were able to make it so infoboxes displayed the identifier-less title for pages with identifiers, without the need for the |title= parameter. How did you manage to do that exactly? (and does this mean we can get rid of |title= entirely?) Somethingone (talk) 06:38, April 25, 2022 (EDT)
I did this by deploying {{PAGETITLE}} as a drop-in replacement for {{PAGENAME}}. There's no need to get rid of the title parameter, as there are stillsomecases where it's needed, but those instances are now much rarer. --Steve (talk) 09:07, April 25, 2022 (EDT)
Regarding the Mario Kart console abbreviation title thing
Okay, so I finally have a grasp on how I should argue for doing away with console abbreviations on titles of Mario Kart courses.
Take a look at this op-ed analysis by Ahemtoday (talk), where they argue, in summary, that the current titles for the variations of Mario Kart Tour courses returning in the Booster Course Pass are too confusing to use as article titles because a potential reader wouldn't guess that the article at, say, the Tokyo Blur title is actually one of four Mario Kart Tour variations, and that the article at the Tour Tokyo Blur title is for the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe variation.
I now realize that another good example comes to mind: the Donut Plains race courses from Super Mario Kart. Currently they're located at "SNES Donut Plains [number]", which is technically correct. However, there are also the articles located at "Donut Plains [number]" for the names of specific levels in Super Mario World. Since Super Mario World and Super Mario Kart are both SNES games, the "SNES" part could refer to either set of subjects, meaning they should receive proper disambiguation instead of forcing new readers to potentially do a double-take.
Thoughts worth considering perhaps. (T|C) 00:08, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
The {{about}} template solves both of these problems. If the user ends up in the wrong place, then the about template is the tool we use to guide them, and whether they're clicking on "Tokyo Blur (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)" or "Tour Tokyo Blur", "Donut Plains 1 (race course)" or "SNES Donut Plains 1", it isn't going to make a huge difference to them. But for our purposes, we certainly prefer to use the more-official name that appears in-game and in marketing materials than a wikified identifier name. It's really quite alright if the user has to read the about template or the first sentence of the article to figure out what's going on, that is valid and it's why we have the about template in the first place. --Steve (talk) 01:58, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
Considering my own post is what (re)started this conversation in the first place, I feel a bit obligated to weigh in - although I only really have a firm stance on the MK8 Tour tracks and not Archivist Toadette's larger point. The reason I think this situation may warrant a deviation from convention is that this is the first time this prefix is being used to distinguish an article about a course's reappearance from its original appearance. While they are officially listed as Tour Tokyo Blur and Tour Paris Promenade, it's not in a context where it's used to set the course apart from its original. If anything, these course prefixes serve to highlight and describe the original. My point is: these two articles are using this naming scheme to disambiguate in a way it wasn't designed to, and in a way that it isn't used officially. I don't believe the result of this is ideal for the end user. Ahemtoday (talk) 03:50, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
Internal name template
Hey, is there a way to make the internal name template automatically apply <tt></tt> to the file parameter, like how it automatically italicizes the Japanese romanizations in the foreign name template? Somethingone (talk) 15:19, May 17, 2022 (EDT)
It's best not to, since if you need to include a reference, or some context such as parenthesis after the filename, that would get included in the <tt> as well. --Steve (talk) 15:26, May 17, 2022 (EDT)
Question about image thumbnails
Do you know why thumbnails of JPG images look blurry, even when the image viewed at full size is not? Take my sandbox for example. The image on the bottom is just the image on the top converted to PNG, so it's not actually any different in quality than the JPG, yet the JPG (top) looks blurrier than the PNG (bottom) when thumbnailed. I don't know how it looks from your computer, but here's how it looks from mine (the difference is easier to notice when zoomed in, though it's there regardless) so you know what I'm talking about. 18:03, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
PNG tries to save every detail when generating thumbs, while JPG is heavily compressed and details are lost. That's also why there's a significant difference in the thumb file sizes. --Steve (talk) 18:46, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
The second archive of Electrical Bowser jr. user talk
Hello Porplemontage. First off, I wanted to say thank you for merging my account into Electrical Bowser jr.. I would like to ask if you could restore my second page of user talk as Electrical Bowser jr., from later 2012 to 2013, as Archive 2.
Thank you again, since you did this.
Electrical Bowser jr., 22:28, June 7, 2022 (EST)
My pleasure. --Steve (talk) 22:40, June 7, 2022 (EDT)
Last request related to Electrical Bowser jr.
Hi Porplemontage, I greatly appreciate your work to merge my account back to Electrical Bowser jr.. The last thing was wondering was if you could merge my old 2012-2014 userpage history as Electrical Bowser jr. in to my account now, and if not, if you could create a separate page as an archive or something else for my userpage history almost a decade ago.
Have a good night and thanks for reading and your work,
Electrical Bowser jr., 22:13, June 8, 2022 (EST)
Odd rewrite-expand templates
On pages such as the Kamek and Invincible Mario pages, the tag dates now appear as the reasons. Do you know why this is happening? WildWario (talk) 03:34, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
He made some modifications to the tag’s template. Now you can add a reason in the first parameter (without the need of a “reason” variable) while the date parameter comes second. This caused the data in some tags to swap around. -- KOOPACONCARNE 08:07, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. I noticed that we have 247 cases of ==Name in other languages==, which would normally be ==Names in other languages==. Would it be a good idea to replace them with a bot? --Dine2017 (talk) 10:42, July 26, 2022 (EDT)
Order of interwiki links
Hi. Is there any way to list the sidebar interwiki links in a consistent order, regardless of their position in the source? The current ordering is a bit inconsistent (compare SNES Battle Course 1 and SNES Battle Course 4). -Dine2017 (talk) 03:51, July 31, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Would you mind changing Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! to Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! in the mainspace and File namespace?
I believe there is no false positive in the File namespace and the only one in the mainspace is the interwiki link [[it:Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]] of the subject itself. --Dine2017 (talk) 10:36, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Replacing instances of "NS" with "Switch"
do it for "Category:Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (NS) images" too pls :) -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:49, August 23, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Would you mind changing ==Reference== to ==References==? I believe there are currently 152 instances of the former. --Dine2017 (talk) 09:50, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Could you change
[[List of games# followed by four digits
to
[[List of games by date# followed by the same digits
These changes target things like this:
|first_appearance=''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' ([[List of games#1996|1996]])
|latest_appearance=''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'' ([[List of games#2017|2017]])
Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of {{button|ns| to {{button|switch|? Thanks! (T|C) 08:23, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
I ran this when I updated the template. Where are you seeing the old syntax? EDIT: Found some that were missed and fixed them. --Steve (talk) 08:44, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
Hi. Regarding your recent use of the bot to propagate the {{hover}} template, there are still a few cases which can be covered.
By the way, SMW:JP#General rules is still instructing editors to use the old syntax -- does that need to be updated too? --Dine2017 (talk) 09:23, September 16, 2022 (EDT)
Finished the proposal railing against Mario Kart console abbreviation titles
You can view it here. (T|C) 15:44, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Where's the proposed solution? I can image you'd want to move Wii Maple Treeway to Maple Treeway, but what about something like SNES Rainbow Road? Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart) doesn't work since it appears in multiple games in addition to Super Mario Kart; perhaps Rainbow Road (SNES)?
I suppose that could be two separate options. "Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)" might actually work in theory (contrary to your claim) since it originates from Super Mario Kart and would be differentiated from other courses in the same series; as an example, we already have Warp Space (Mario Party 4) differentiated from Warp Space (Mario Party 10) despite the former space also appearing in Mario Party: Island Tour. (T|C) 15:58, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Oh yeah I talked about that in my last comment here. I will move those away from game identifiers since the appear in multiple games. --Steve (talk) 16:04, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
To briefly delve into that other topic though, what other possible identifier could be used for the two Warp Spaces? They have distinguishing functions so specific (to another player's space vs. to another Warp Space) that I don't think type identifiers would work in that case. (T|C) 16:08, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
"Category:Kinder Chocolate images" & "Category:Artwork by Masanori Sato"
Can you please move these to "Category:Kinder images" and "Category:Masanori Sato images"? "Kinder Chocolate" is the name of a particular line of products under the Kinder brand, not the brand itself, and the current wiki coverage of Kinder doesn't concern it. The other category is named so because, I think, at the time I created it, I wasn't aware the titles of the other "Images by artist" categories had been recast; I apologise for that. -- KOOPACONCARNE 09:37, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
Chuckster
Forgive me if this is off the beaten path, but is it true you once said "chuckster" should be split from Pianta? Just want to make sure the latter comment of this proposal stands. Nightwicked Bowser 06:15, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
Yes that's true, and that piece of porplemontage lore can be found here. In general I'm pro-split (I'd rather have many smaller articles with some breathing room than big articles where you have to hunt down the information), and especially so when a subject has a distinct name or term for it. Here's our average Google position for the query "chuckster" (1 is best). After being brutally owned by FANDOM for years (since their article came first), we've actually been creeping up the past few months and could be on the cusp of something great. A merge to Pianta would be a surrender in this fight since having an article with the matching title is what allows it to be close in the first place. I encourage everyone to be mindful of how discrete articles help search engine discoverability before voting to merge any article, not just chuckster. --Steve (talk) 11:17, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
As of now I'm not firm on one option or the other in that proposal (inclined towards keeping chucksters split), but I really don't think search rankings make a particularly strong argument in the face of an encyclopedia's bid for veracity. I really don't mean to offend, but given your position as site proprietor I'm assuming ulterior motives with this proposition. -- KOOPACONCARNE 11:45, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
I guess the reason I provide this info is for some broader context. The wiki doesn't exist in a vacuum. The real-world truth is that people find our articles through Google, and I thought our editors liked having their work found and read, liked outperforming FANDOM, etc. If these things aren't of significant importance or persuasive to you then so be it. --Steve (talk) 12:31, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
Hey can you remove the part on this policy that says "This policy does not apply to list or table pages such as Places and Trophy Descriptions (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), just actual articles."? my proposal to remove that text passed but I can't edit the page. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:05, November 7, 2022 (EST)
Thanks so much. Don't know why that outdated exception existed in the first place, but I'm glad it's gone! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:13, November 7, 2022 (EST)
Furigana
A while ago, you had <span class="explain"title="[H]">[K]</span> replaced with {{hover|[K]|[H]}} which I thought was more accessible. However, I wasn't aware that the wiki was capable of displaying furigana properly until I noticed it here, where it seems to look like <rb>K</rb><rt>H</rt>. Would you be able to script something conveniently similar to hover but explicitly meant for showing furigana? Also, on a semi-related note, do you have any thoughts on this? LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:06, November 30, 2022 (EST)
So now we have {{hover|[K]|[H]}} ([K]) and {{ruby|[K]|[H]}} ([K]). Should be easy enough to switch between them. I don't have a preference for which is used or any thoughts on the diff you've linked since I'm out of my depth when it comes to Japanese :) --Steve (talk) 10:49, November 30, 2022 (EST)
Fix the Rename template
Will you please do me a favor and replace {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]]) with {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]])}} on the {{move}} template? GuntherBayBeee
Ruby
Minor issue but is there any way to code Template:Ruby so that when you highlight it the hirigana doesn't get highlighted along with the kanji, like how it happened with Template:Hover? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 18:12, January 7, 2023 (EST)
Yeah I don't think that worked, I can still highlight the hirigana when the ruby template is used. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 08:40, January 8, 2023 (EST)
I added the special Safari CSS for it, but it doesn't seem to actually work, so that one's on Apple --Steve (talk) 09:10, January 8, 2023 (EST)
I made this template to check whether a given value matches a character's name when called in Template:WWGIT fit (the "parent" template) and decide whether to create a piped link based on that. However, it appears that, whenever the parent template locates a true #ifeq expression from "WWGIT fit pipe", it splices the second entered string and the truth value to create the link instead of using just the truth value, e.g. for "Young Cricket", the link becomes "Young CricketYoung Cricket & Master Mantis" instead of Young Cricket & Master Mantis. Do you know what causes this? -- KOOPACONCARNE 10:27, January 20, 2023 (EST)
If there's a proposal that's past the deadline date, you can archive it yourself. Nightwicked Bowser 12:20, February 3, 2023 (EST)
Your thoughts on Visual Editor
Just for the record, is it possible to make a Visual Editor for this wiki, and do you think it is or isn't a good idea? Just asking because of the situation that was brought up in this currently active proposal regarding the topic. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 13:12, February 25, 2023 (EST)
It's not currently technically feasible. I've done testing with it on the wiki, and trying to visual-edit large articles like Mario caused server CPU usage to spike and the visual editor eventually hit a 30-second timeout. Not good for server stability. However, I'm planning on migrating the site to an upgraded server early next year. I think there's a good chance it will be doable on the new hardware, but I have to test it first.
In terms of want/desire for it, I'm not really a huge fan, but if it runs well on the new server and the community wants it, then I think we can make it work. One aspect of it is TemplateData, which makes templates user-friendly to visual editor users. If we do decide to install the visual editor, then we should take it seriously and plan on adding TemplateData to as many of our templates as we can. This is a project I'd like the proposer and community to keep in mind when voting and help with if it were to pass.
So I guess the order has to be this: 1) Wait until the new server in 2024. 2) I'll test the visual editor and see if performance is acceptable. 3) If it's doable, community proposal and discussion on the matter can proceed. --Steve (talk) 15:34, February 25, 2023 (EST)
Visual Editor proposal
Commenters at the Visual Editor proposal made a good point that I should have asked you first if this proposal is acceptable or not. If not, I'm ready to cancel it. Spectrogram (talk) 07:41, February 26, 2023 (EST)
Yes, based on the above section it will have to be canceled now, with the possibility of revisiting next year. --Steve (talk) 10:57, February 26, 2023 (EST)
Question
Hi there, This user threatened to report me if I undo their edits. It stemmed from a misunderstanding over at the Mario Mover Gallery. It truly was not my intention to cause any trouble, I'm just doing my best to clarify the context of the art. I have also messaged a couple of pratrollers about it, but have not heard anything back. I don't want to come across as spamming this message, I just wanted to get the word out and I don't want to cause anymore trouble. Thank you and hope everything can be sorted out!
Hello Porplemontage, Happy Mario Day! I want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 10, 2023 (EST)
Mario Day ended, but I still want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 11, 2023 (EST)
CSS table width
Hi. This edit forced tables to appear 1px narrower than their natural width. It seems that this hack was added to fix something, but unfortunately it caused another problem:
{| class=wikitable
! Test 1
| The quick brown fox
|}
normally displays as
+--------+---------------------+
| Test 1 | The quick brown fox |
+--------+---------------------+
Now it displays as something like
+------+----------------------+
| Test | The quick brown |
| 1 | fox |
+------+----------------------+
To see the effect on real articles, see Three Beautiful Sisters#Felissa T. At least on my computer (Chrome on Windows 10) the "ー[1]" of "チェリー[1]" is moved one line down, even though the page is wide enough to set the name horizontally. Is there any way to avoid this? --Dine2017 (talk) 23:04, March 31, 2023 (EDT)
SmashWiki seems to have problems with internet trolls using ip addresses to repeatedly ban evade and vandalize.
Given that many Discord servers require a phone number before you can post in them, how would it be easy to require each account and IP address here to submit sensitive personal info such as bank card numbers, drivers license or government issued ID or phone numbers in order to edit?
MarioWiki itself wouldn’t use the data for any reason outside of logging it in a database to auto detect bans. Would it be difficult to verify info such as if bank numbers is real or something or would it result in hackers who hack into MarioWiki itself gaining access to your data?
This would also ensure that if an user is banned here, then tries to edit using an IP address, the info they provide would automatically flag and ban them instead of us having to do the annoying process of detecting if they are the same user.
There are many things that can be done to lock-down a wiki, but generally a conscious decision is made to keep things open and revert vandalism rather than have a restrictive system. --Steve (talk) 10:52, April 19, 2023 (EDT)
MarioWiki Namespace Shortcuts
Why exactly were all the "MW:[TEXT]" redirects removed? I see the bot moved all instances of them to a "SMW:[TEXT]" title, but that also doesn't show up in the search results. Never mind, they still exist. They just don't pop up in the search bar unless you type the full thing anymore.S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 16:50, April 19, 2023 (EDT)
Text replacement
Can you change all instances of [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario & Yoshi's Adventure Land images]] to [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land images]]? There are 51 images under the old category. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:43, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
Age template
I had an idea to update the template, also I updated on Wikipedia a bit. I believe there are more users that born in 1999 than 1989 on this wiki. Which is better, 1972 at time of 1986, or 1999 at time of 2013? Whether the status quo is better? Windy (talk) 18:06, April 26, 2023 (EDT)
Since it's just an example, it doesn't really matter what years are used, so it's fine to leave as-is. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
pls halp
How do I change the colour of image frames in my monobook? -- KOOPACONCARNE 22:27, May 7, 2023 (EDT)
Edit: And is it possible to change the colour of the navigation/tool boxes on the left side of the web page? -- KOOPACONCARNE 22:33, May 7, 2023 (EDT)
I suggest you familiarize yourself with your browser's "inspect element" (Ctrl+Shift+C) to see what selector MediaWiki uses for styling a given element.
And in case you didn't know, "Show preview" can be used on your CSS page to test changes to elements visible on that page. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
And I suggest you drop the condescending attitude. I know about the preview function on that page, the problem is that there are many elements that cannot be previewed in there, and no "Preview X page" exists on my end to aid me with that (templates have it, on the other hand). The only conducive thing I could do was repeatedly save my changes. I'm also using inspect element on the regular when I extract certain web content for documentation, it just didn't occur to me I could do so here too... -- KOOPACONCARNE 08:59, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not trying to have any attitude; sorry if it came off that way. --Steve (talk) 09:03, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
My reaction was overblown. I construed the previewing function as obvious enough not to merit an explanation, hence why I thought you were being facetious with that piece of advice, but I've come to accept that you were genuinely trying to help. I was an asshat. Please accept my sincere apologies. -- KOOPACONCARNE 10:17, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
[[Ashley & Red|Red]] into [[Red (WarioWare series)|Red]]
As of this moment, 283 pages still link to Ashley & Red and the above changes should take care of most of them. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, May 15, 2023 (EDT)
Help
Some of users seem that dissatisfied with editing the year from the age template from SmashWiki. A conflict of opinion has occured. Please help. Also, please unprotect the age template from this wiki. ADD: The template is too outdated and I updated it. (In Wikipedia, it was written in 2006, but this is so obsolete that it needs an update in our wiki. Here) Windy (talk) 07:4409:33, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
A decision has been made. Let's set as August 12, 2005, Mariowiki's found date, as an example of an Age template. And the second date is 35th anniversary of Super Mario Bros. date, September 13, 2020. Example: {{age|August 12, 2005|September 13, 2020}} Windy (talk) 10:36, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
On this wiki, the template will remain protected and any changes to the example will be the staff's decision to make. Please do not suggest any more changes to it. On SmashWiki, you should listen to the admins. --Steve (talk) 12:55, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
Thank you for change to more important date on Mariowiki! I'll look for a suitable answer on Smashwiki. Windy (talk) 13:14, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
After block expired on Smashwiki, I didn't checked the messages from Discord (before joining), and I said nonsense on talk page and I was blocked with unpleasant remarks. My weird obsession with that template must be gone off. Can I ask you one thing; can you update and protect the template from Smashwiki? I couldn't sleep properly. I'll listen to what the admin says. Thank you. Windy (talk) 10:50, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
I will leave that to the SmashWiki admins to decide. Let's try to keep this talk page focused on the Super Mario Wiki; any SmashWiki matters should stay on SmashWiki. Thanks! --Steve (talk) 12:46, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
I'll focus on this wiki and not to deviate from it. However, I can't say anything because I'm afraid that I'll be cussed by admins, please quietly improve any templates across multiple wikis. Thanks for discussion. Windy (talk) 13:10, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
Proposal on allowing fanon content
Last year on June 18, the Drawn to Life Wiki allowed fanon content on that wiki under the Fanon namespace. This time, I want to make a proposal on allowing fanon content on the Super Mario Wiki. You will be able to either create the "Fanon:Home" namespace if you want to or know how to create custom namespaces or create "MarioWiki:Fanon" if you cannot create any new namespaces. Lastly, the Content category will receive a subcategory known as Category:Fanon, which consists of the subcategories Category:Original characters, Category:Theories, Category:Alternate universes, Category:Fanfiction, and, via the {{fanon-image}} template, Category:Fanon images. For example, fanon pages respectively about moves, galleries, events, game mechanics, diseases, bestiaries, histories, pre-release and unused content, staff, consoles, and implied elements each belong to the "Theories" category, fanon pages respectively about characters, allies, and bosses belong to the "Original characters" category, fanon pages about third-party elements belong to the "Alternate universe" category, and fanon pages about fan history and fan-made media belong to the "Fanfiction" category. May I please make the proposal on allowing fanon content on the wiki? GuntherBayBeee 15:30, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
Unfortunately that would be a potentially big scope expansion into a content area that I'm just not looking to get the wiki involved with, so I'm sorry to say I would veto that proposal. I would encourage the Pikipedia/Pikmin Fanon model and go for a separate wiki. Check out the NIWA Discord server or maybe a site like Miraheze to get started. --Steve (talk) 16:10, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
Democracy
I checked who the proprietor is and I found it is you. My proposal got closed because they say it's your decision, and I'm beginning to worry that democracy here is under threat. As a consequence, please let me make a proposal where consensus will decide if you should add cat photos to your userpage. CoolNintendo (talk) 10:42, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Oh sorry i read rule 17, never mind i can respect that CoolNintendo (talk) 10:49, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Hidden orphaned pages
Hello! As of now, Special:LonelyPages is empty. However, there is a slight problem with that. It appears it considers any page "not orphaned" that is linked to from other namespaces outside of (Main) or Gallery: (File:, User:, Talk:, etc). The pages that are actually orphaned, that are only linked to from file descriptions or talk page discussions, simply don't show up. Would it be possible for you to change that? Thanks in advance, Spectrogram (talk) 14:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
I might be able to do this, not sure, but if I am then I'll implement it. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Unusual bot request
Hello, I made a couple mistakes in the documentation while mass-uploading some .gifs. Can we have
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-3-2, frame delay 13)
changed to
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2, frame delay 13)
and
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-(4*6), frame delay 13)
changed to
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-4-(5*6), frame delay 13)
While on that subject, is there any way to make the "upload by URL" not automatically populate (and irreversibly overwrite) the filename bar? Because when uploading via discord link (which I do frequently), all that does is add two extra steps to an already tedious process where I have to move it to the file description section to avoid it being lost. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Unfortunately that's very much a built-in MediaWiki thing, but I did have an idea for you. You could temporarily disable your browser's JavaScript next time you have a batch of uploads to prevent the autofill from happening. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Template question
Hello,
Let's say I have a template with three parameters, designated A, B, and C. When I give them values, the template produces the following:
This is a two-column list
A
B
C
Now, if I give B and C values but I don't give parameter A any value, I want the values of B and C to move one space up the list, such that B supersedes A, and C moves to the left column, like so:
This is a two-column list
B
C
How do I program a template to do this? If I just nest "if" expressions in each parameter definition so that the next parameter is displayed in its place if it's not given any value, said next parameter is going to repeat on the following spot in the list anyway, like so:
This is a two-column list
B
B
C
And that's an utter programming n00b move. Is there a wiki function that recognises whether a parameter had already been filled on the same template, and does something based on that? -- KOOPACONCARNE 20:08, July 2, 2023 (EDT)
I don't know of a wiki function that would make this easy. Ideally you'd want to design the template in a more forgiving way, like this:
{| style="border:solid black"
|'''This is a two-column list'''
|-
|<div style="column-count:2"><!--
-->{{#if:{{{A|}}}|*{{{A}}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{B|}}}|*{{{B}}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{C|}}}|*{{{C}}}}}<!--
--></div>
|}
If this doesn't help, I think I could be more useful if I knew more about the template you're working on. --Steve (talk) 23:36, July 2, 2023 (EDT)
I wasn't aware of the "column-count" attribute; that actually solves my problem partially, thanks! Having created the template in question, two issues remain:
the template may split the text in one entry between two columns. Here, for instance, the German text is moved to the column on the right while its heading stays on the left.
if multiple parameters in a row aren't filled in, the result is a jarring empty space where the next item on the list should be. For instance, if the Kor and Por parameters (both immediately following the Ita parameter) are left out, you can notice an empty space between the Italian and Spanish entries:
Thank you! -- KOOPACONCARNE 12:34, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
A question regarding your server storage
As you're already aware, lately I've been updating various articles on Mario Kart Tour subjects with in-game blurbs. Because the game only provides these to the end user for a relatively brief period of time, not everyone has ready access to the game's files, and there aren't always video recordings of this information available online to cite, I've taken upon myself to take screenshots featuring these blurbs and upload them to the wiki to act as citations. My concern is that the number of screenshots I have uploaded and will continue to upload is... quite large, to say the least.
Each item has a blurb localised in 11 languages, meaning I have to upload 11 screenshots at once for a single item.
The game currently has 265 drivers, 336 karts, and 225 gliders, totalling 826. Not nearly as many items have been given blurbs, but let's assume all of them have. Each screenshot, when optimised with TinyPNG, ends up being an average of 160kb; times 11, that's 1.76mb of material uploaded for 1 item; times the number of items shown above, that's 1453.76mb worth of content in our scenario.
Considering the wiki has around 70GB of media files as of writing, would you be ok with a potential 1.5 gb more to the wiki's storage, or would you prefer I found another way to cite the information mentioned above? -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:46, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
That's no problem - we have enough storage for it! --Steve (talk) 16:43, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
Something...
Didn't Alex95 get demoted? Why is his name still green in the "Who's online" section of Recent Changes? --FanOfYoshi 11:18, July 31, 2023 (EDT)
Since this morning on mobile view, the text in sections wouldn't appear in a page until refreshing a few times, and also don't appear while previewing. Nightwicked Bowser 07:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
Hello. The wiki software was updated this morning. Does it work after clearing your browser cache? --Steve (talk) 08:22, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I cleared my browsing history and previewing still doesn't work. Nightwicked Bowser 08:48, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not able to reproduce any issues with preview. Can you send a screenshot of what it looks like broken? --Steve (talk) 09:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
Looks like it's been fixed now, thanks very much. Nightwicked Bowser 13:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
On another note, is it possible to run a bot changing "Darkmess Portal" to the lowercase "Darkmess portal"? The reason being because the lowercase "p" is used in-game in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. There are still lots of usage of the capital "P" around articles, including in links. Nightwicked Bowser 20:54, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I don't know why so much of the display code was removed, but now the wiki pages look weird on my end. The infoboxes and galleries are all left-aligned, the navigation boxes and collapsed sections of infoboxes are only partially colored (only coloring the area around the text while the outline extends to the full part of the page), and the "compare differences" menu is completely vertical (which takes up more space than before). Was this intentional? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:24, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
It should go back to normal soon when your browser cache refreshes. --Steve (talk) 14:39, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
Yeah that worked, it looks normal now. Thanks for letting me know! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:49, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
Error code: Plessie
My userpage keeps signing me out when I save changes I've made to it. It keeps saying Error code: Plessie. What does that mean and how do I get it to stop happening?--Pizza Master 15:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
I've made my changes. If this happens again, What should I do? Wait until later to come back and make edits? Or should I contact you again?--Pizza Master 16:33, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
I was just asking for a request to the Porple Bot. We have now a guest article for Tetris 99, the bot should replace all mention of ''{{wp|Tetris 99}}'' with ''[[Tetris 99]]''PnnyCrygr 05:28, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
Div class (Halloween)
Hello, Porple. I would like to impliment a background for my userpage, specifically a halloween one (pumpkins, perhaps?). What would be the codes for this? --FanOfYoshi 09:29, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
Background images require CSS and that's not really supported here for user pages. I would suggest a solid color background and you can place Halloween graphics throughout the page.
IIRC, there were graphics from the Pumpkin Goombas from SMG, but that could just be my memory. Thanks for the help anyway! --FanOfYoshi 11:41, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
There are a few stragglers but the bot got the vast majority of article links. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Question about MIDI sampling
Is it allowed to use MIDI files converted to mp3 or oga? I'd like to fix a mistake/ommission on the SMW Overworld sample. --FanOfYoshi 13:39, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Sure, there's nothing wrong with converting media files to one of the wiki's supported formats. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
I guess this probably came about from Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but...I disagree with it being done this way. I know there's been public discussions on what to do with game filenames, and of thetwo proposals that got canceled, the latter was leaning in the direction of doing something about internal data with the development tier in the comments. Reclassifying game ("internal") data from development names to website ("external") filenames conflicts with at least two proposals: the encyclopedia one specifically outlines that Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia remains a lower priority than internal names, citing the Lumacomète example as a reason, and in the website proposal, no one was conflating game filenames with website filenames, and rather, there seemed to be general agreement of keeping them both distinguishable. Plus, therearecases where the unused data/string is not necessarily a filename or even "internal" per se. It's a weird technicality. As unrelated as possible: if there is a question we want to ask more privately, would the best way to do it be via forum DM? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:41, November 4, 2023 (EDT)
Sure you can DM me. I only did that change because the page mentioned website files but said nothing about game files. Given that we are creating articles based on game files, surely they should be mentioned somewhere in the policy and be a part of that hierarchy. I don't personally care where they fall; I can move the mention to number 5. --Steve (talk) 13:56, November 4, 2023 (EDT)
Tabber
There is discussion and proposals going on about extensive use of the tabber template. I am aware you said before that you didn't like it being used here. I was wondering if your thoughts on it are the same as then or if they have changed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:13, November 13, 2023 (EST)
I personally hate tabber and I think it's gimmicky. I'd rather just pick an image and cover the rest of the variations in the article body. Regardless of my feelings, I added it after the result of a democratic proposal (this isn't a dictatorship). Regarding the JavaScript point: I can have the tabber fail in one of two ways: (1) only show the first image, or (2) show all the images. #1 is good if the additional images can be considered supplemental and hiding them isn't going to conceal important stuff from the user (for example, if those images also appear elsewhere in the article). #2 can make the infobox look kinda silly, but I agree that it makes more sense to use it if the images don't appear anywhere else in the articles so we don't degrade what those users are seeing. Given that several articles have removed images from the article body and put them in the infobox, I switched the failure method to #2. --Steve (talk) 10:33, November 13, 2023 (EST)
Bowser's Muscle Car
I recently moved the Koopa Chase to its new official English name, would it be possible to use porplebot to replace the remaining links? — Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:36, November 16, 2023 (EST)
KannonBot
May the PorpleBot please change all instances of "[[kannon (cannon)|kannon]]" to "[[cannon|kannon]]" and "[[kannonball]]" to "[[cannonball|kannonball]]"? The pages were just merged. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:28, November 24, 2023 (EST)
And now "[[Gobblegut (Black)]]" to "[[Gobblegut|Gobblegut (Black)]]" and "[[Gobblegut (Black)|Gobblegut]]" to"[[Gobblegut]]". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:04, December 2, 2023
...and now "[[Mecha Bowser]]" to "[[Bowser Statue|Mecha Bowser]]" and </nowiki>"[[Mecha Bowser|</nowiki>" to "[[Bowser Statue|". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:32, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Hello, Porplemontage. Since we do not have any citation templates, I used a cite web template onto my sandbox called cite web. Although, since there is no category, I think we could have Citation templates as one. What do you suggest? Derekblue1(talk) 09:36, December 13, 2023 (EST)
Hey. Citation templates is certainly a good category name if we were to have at least a few of them (if it's just one it could probably be tossed in formatting templates), but that template would go against this proposal, so you'd need to do a new proposal to overturn that one before the template could be moved to the template namespace or used.
While I have you here: Note that the changes to MarioWiki:Article size were designed to make it less definitive and more discussion-based: 150 kB is simply when split consideration starts, but if it's decided to keep an article larger than that, that's allowed. That's not to say an article like Toad (species) couldn't be split into History of Toads just above 150K - Yoshi was actually split just under 150K months ago without complaint (so that's why the threshold was increased to 150K, since splitting at or around 100K didn't feel right to a lot of users while a 150K split was seemingly non-controversial, but in addition to the increase it's now meant to be an open discussion rather than a hard and fast rule). Thanks! --Steve (talk) 10:08, December 13, 2023 (EST)
Oh. Thank you for telling me about the failed proposal of citation templates. Let us see how the future proposal goes, but I will accept the fate if it does not come through.
For the article size question response, it took me a few hours to understand what you meant but I finally understand you are saying that splitting articles is meant to be an open discussion; that should show why Template:Split is there in the first place. I was excited to split pages straight away because they fit the 100kB threshold. That is when I ended up splitting up a few articles that have not been discussed in the first place until Mario reminded me on the wall that I stopped. Now I understand, for the Toad species, it is better to put a Split template and discuss user thoughts of splitting this. Derekblue1(talk) 19:23, December 13, 2023 (EST)
After reading the proposal, I can see where they got the MarioWiki:Citations, so I think it was resolved that they choose not to have a template but a policy. According to some people, the proposal looked forced to tell others to use the citation templates for "professionalism". I will cancel the cite web template idea. Derekblue1(talk) 22:45, December 13, 2023 (EST)
There's a proposal that is nine days old. Can you mark the proposal as passed? GuntherBayBeee 10:08, December 30, 2023 (EST)
For clarity's sake, I just archived it. As stated above, you can also archive proposals that have reached their deadline yourself. Power Flotzo (talk) 06:42, December 31, 2023 (EST)
Mass editing request
I would like to request that the string: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''|4=Optimized with TinyPNG
found across the file pages of hundreds of Mario Kart Tour screenshots (such as File:MKT Tour101 Spotlight Shop Flowery Badwagon.jpg) be replaced with: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''<br>Screenshot taken on Redmi Note 10 Pro|4=Cropped at photopea.com, then optimized with TinyPNG
The layout of the elements shown in these screenshots may adapt to the device's screen size, and I think it's best if the device is mentioned for verifiability and such. -- KOOPACONCARNE 17:53, January 18, 2024 (EST)
Thank -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:20, January 18, 2024 (EST)
Request
Thanks for helping me, however, can I please have my original username WaluigiMan10000 back with my current password? User:WarioDude
Navtemplate colors
Hi, should the navtemplate for Princess Peach: Showtime! use the same color scheme as the one for Super Princess Peach? I just ask because it's not yet brought up at MarioWiki:Navigation templates and it would make the most sense since both are the only games where Peach is treated as the primary protagonist. (T|C) 17:23, February 23, 2024 (EST)
Yes, sounds good. I've renamed the class from spp to peach to generalize it for more uses. --Steve (talk) 17:47, February 23, 2024 (EST)
The effect of the extraneous <i> is to make the whole page italic and extremely narrow. --Dine2017 (talk) 06:17, March 17, 2024 (EDT)
It seems fine on Wikipedia, so the fix should eventually make its way downstream to us. In the meantime, those tags should be closed anyway. --Steve (talk) 11:27, March 17, 2024 (EDT)
Fandom interwiki link
Can you please change the URL that the [[wikia:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link generates from https://community.fandom.com/wiki/c:<wiki> to https://<wiki>.fandom.com? Thanks! GuntherBayBeee 13:45, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
That is not possible due to how Special:Interwiki works. Luckily we can use {{fandom}} instead. --Steve (talk) 14:06, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
So are you going to remove the [[w:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link if the proposal here gets declined, since Fandom's interwiki link had problems in the past? GuntherBayBeee 12:28, March 22, 2024 (EDT)
No, I don't plan on it. While I would encourage articles to use {{fandom}}, the wikia interwiki is a pretty standard one to have and it's fine to have for backwards-compatibility, use in the userspace, etc. --Steve (talk) 13:37, March 22, 2024 (EDT)
Thanks for doing most of these, but it seems the first one (unlinked "Booster Course Pass", without "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe –" before it) still hasn't been changed. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:58, April 29, 2024 (EDT)
Ruby template
Hi, just letting you know of a certain comment (permalink) left on my talk page just now. To summarize, the {{ruby}} template apparently displays text too small for it to be readable on Chrome, and DandelionSprout suggested that the text size on the template be changed to 67% of the standard font size. (T|C) 20:05, April 16, 2024 (EDT)
More specifically, to change it from MediaWiki's ruby standard of "font-size: 50px", to 67%. DandelionSprout (talk) 20:13, April 16, 2024 (EDT)
Potential mass-conversion of YouTube links from HTTP→HTTPS with bot(s)
From a sample of a mere 27 games (the ones in Category:Wii U games), 21 (± 1) YouTube links in the articles were still written within the articles as http://. If the statistic holds true for the 28,610 pages that are listed on the front page, this would result in Mario Wiki as a whole needing to convert a low-to-medium four-digit amount of links. Manually converting each link on each page would not be realistically possible, unfortunately.
I've built up some RegEx skills over the years, and if PorpleBot uses the syntax I've seen used for wiki bots, i.e. "$1" instead of "\1", I propose adding ([\=]|//|\s{1,})http://(www\.|m\.)?youtube\.com/ → $1https://www.youtube.com/ to the bot.
Starting with YouTube links would in theory an easy starting point, as its video IDs have remained unchanged for each video for almost two decades, whereas sites like IGN and Gamespot are much more prone to having old links to them end up on 404 pages. YouTube also has full 100.0% support for HTTPS on all of its pages, while many gaming sites and Nintendo official sites have it depend on their sites' sections. DandelionSprout (talk) 02:46, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
I did something which will automatically update the YouTube links, and many more, to HTTPS without needing to edit anything. --Steve (talk) 10:23, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Undeletion/un-delete template request
Recently, a user went on a frenzy marking Smash redirects and miscellaneous pages for deletion due to misinterpreting a proposal (as clarified by the original proposer, they just wanted categories removed), and one of the sysops deleted several of them. Can a bot remove those templates and someone undelete (and restore the history of) the erroneously deleted redirects? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:31, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
Do yay want some? I can try, but I can't promise I could make you some. I'll leave a message if I successfuly do if you want me to. The thing is you see that Waluigi on the Welcome Banner of my talk/user page? That, I edited from ONE pose to make like 22! One includes that. So, I can try, but again, I can't promise anything.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some NSMB sprites if I can?
EDT2: I might, or maybe I could do how I made a Mini Mario, paste textures on your sprite. Trust me, it'll be fine, and if I do do it, I'll send it on your Talk Page in Userpedia, so be aware. Oh! And good luck starting NSMB srpites. Practice makes perfect! [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some tea?
I'm working on some! So, in in about 2 hours or so, go to Userpedia where you will get NSMB sprites. Typically, it's sidescrolling. And, since I will be in yours, may you PLZ be in my comic? Sign in at Userpedia plz (Comics:Minimariolover10's Mis-Adventures). [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some comics?
EDT3: Wait..Id din't get it. You don't want to be i my comic? Oke dokey. And I'm almost done with a sample of your NSMB sprite, if you want to see it. Just need to finish your dice and add more texture to your skin. Do you also want Twink in the sprites?
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
EDT6: I'm going to be a pain and so no. I'm gonna have to post it on Userpedia. Looka t your Talk Page, not reply plz.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some talk pages?
OK, I made a sample of the NSMB you. Tell me if you think it's NSMB styled or not *hueh*.
EDT7: But it would be considered pillowed since it's NSMB styled. And, I plan to mak emore maybe tomorrow whenenver you think I should. I gotta do more stuff and such.
EDT8: No, I can't on MFGG. But the sheet will be a LONG time, sorry. Maybe in a week. I'm too tempted to edit the Wiki now. Plus I have to make some messages to other users, and I'll get new messages while doing that, so..yeah I'm too busy right now.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
oK, there probably won't be alot, geez i wish i had someone to help me, what i'm talking about is all these requests, i got a ton of them, and one by october.
I guess I'll have you run and fly, either know it'll be hard for running because I have to lasso Mario's shoes just right. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!
Animated Gif
I'm deleting my spritesheets and moving them to ImageShack. So, can you make an animated gif of me walking platform style in M&LSS? Go to Moving, Left or Right, I truly donts care.
He'll be back. He didn't delete the talkpages and user page. I think it's what ya do when ya leaving for good. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also he probably won't reply to you soon Fg.
I have a little problem. The Gaming Acheivements section in my homepage has been getting a little long, and I have been wanting to make a table out of them. One part being games I copleted, one part finished games, and the third being for other acheivments. I looked at how it's done on the help section, and saw the table in the Shroom City article as an example, but it just looks too complicated for me. Do you have any advice?
Come on just tell me if your his friend or not i don`t care if your his friend or not it is not my distion!
just tell me you can trust me!come on and pluse you hate fantendo so come on please pretty please with a wii in your room!
PrincessBirdo
This user thinks the best Super Smash Bros. character is Roy.
This user dislikes the video game character Bandy Andy because he stole my hot dog.
This user loves CHEESE!.
This user loves WAFFLEZ!.
8,500
This user has over 8,500 edits on the Super Mario Wiki!
Hey there, I'm Xzelion a former: patroller, administrator, and bureaucrat. I've been honored to be apart of many administrative functions of MarioWiki, It's forums, and chat. I also help found Userpedia, a wiki dedicated to the fan-fiction about this Wiki (which is dead now. RIP). A few things you should know about me: I have a habit of dropping off the face of the earth every few months, and I'm extremely sarcastic. So if I should say something mean don't take it personally. Unless I say it multiple times, then maybe I'm trying to tell you something.
If you look through my edits expecting huge rewrites of large articles, you'll be disappointed. I work mainly on Wiki Maintenance.
The rest of this page is mainly kept for the nostalgia factor, a reminder of the fun I've had on this Wiki.
I caught a UFO last night. Isyou was inside. He tasted like waffles.
-3dejong
Lil_Boo: I live in London. Which is in England Xze: I live in a house, Which is in a neighborhood, :P
-Lilbooster & Xzelion
Someone needs a quote of me on their userpage...:|
-Toadbert101
<Xzelion> I need more quotes for my Page D:
<TB101|MK64> I'll give you some:
<Dannyboy> Im a some of a gun
* Xzelion hopes he gets flamed someday
<Dannyboy> XZ STOP BEING A JERK!
<Dannyboy> OMG I FREAKIN HATE YOU!
<Xzelion> :O
<TB101|MK64> X,if you weren't here (I should add something sappy here, but I won't) we woun't have another crat. XD
<Dannyboy> Hopes come true
<Xzelion> :P
<Dannyboy> GET A FREAKIN LIFE INSTEAD OF BEING A JERK HERE!
<Dannyboy> okim done
<Xzelion> :O
-Dannyboy, Xzelion, and Toadbert101
<Blitzwing> According to AC11, you are mean 65% of the time.
<Xzelion> Then I have phailed my job :(
<Xzelion> Its suppose to be 100% of the time XD
-Blitzwing & Xzelion
What people think of me
Negative
...and then RAP & Xzelion came (to the wiki) one of the best things to happen to the wiki IMO
-Knife
Xzelion, you're a perfect example of a good friend
-Pokemon DP
Yo, Amazing Sysop of Small Grammar Capabilities
-3dejong
You have captured all of our personalities perfectly (at least mine). You help us. You encourage us. Dude. You deserve to be sysop.
-3dejong (not before I was a Sysop! :P)
Congratulations! Your a 'Crat! Well Done for making that level. I think you earned it
-Lilbooster
He didn't get promoted becuase he had a "lot of influence.", he was because he deserved it.
-Glowsquid
Dark Lord of Sith-ness. 8]
-3dejong
Lord of the Pwnage(?)
-Lilbooster
Positive
Xze can be terrible sometimes
-Wayoshi
Your brother is always ganging up on me and I hate that.
-Fg to Master Crash
Im never gonna be friends with your bro because he is not so kind to me
-Fg to Master Crash
your brother needs to be a little nicer to everyone...
-Fg to Master Crash
Sheesh Your brother is irriatating me on chat the other day and he definitely has an attitude.So what's up with your brother?Sorry to tell you this again but this is ticking me off...
-Fg to Master Crash
And Im talking about your bro X who ticks me off...
-Fg to Master Crash
You suck Xzelion
-Murzon
You half-witted freak
-Murzon
You're as bad as Wayoshi!
-Murzon
Xzelion is being a jerk
-Saudy
Hi Wayoshi 2
-Plumber
But you know Xzelion thinks he has the power of the wiki and Im leaving because of him...And his brother master crash is WAY cooler than Xzelion.
-Fg to 3dejong
I liked you better as GG
-Alot of guys mainly, Fg, Max, Peachy, PLUMs, Wayo, saudy.
You suck, but I only say that to get on your list. :P HA! NOW YOU NOW HOW IT FEELS!! :P
-Pokemon DP
Okay listen Im tired of you ganging up on me and PLEASE STAY OUT OF MY LIFE AND I MEAN IT...
-Fg
Rot in hell, Xzelion
-MajorShyGuy
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Blurry images
Images on this wiki are showing up really blurry and pixelated to me, as if they're all really bad JPG images, but just the thumbnails. Why is this happening? It's been like this for many months now. Shadow2 (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2018 (EST)
They look fine on my end (and they are JPGs, anyway). Are you zoomed in or out? Sometimes that causes images to appear jagged. 00:24, 2 December 2018 (EST)
That's what I thought at first, but I'm not. I tried zooming in and out a bunch and nothing changed, but to confirm they are blurred when I'm at 100% zoom. Shadow2 (talk) 06:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)
Add a New Pages template to the main page
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.
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There is one thing that everyone sees when they enter the MarioWiki: The main page. The page is organized and includes trivia, the best articles on the site, news etc. However, under the Did You Know? template there is a large amount of empty space, a perfect place for a new template. The template that I am proposing is a template that, whenever a new page is created, the template will be updated containing a short 1-3 sentence paragraph summarizing the start of the page, preferably took directly from the page. The template would be called New Pages. This idea was approved by Porplemontage. This template would be a auto-comfimed only regularly updated template like the {{News}} template where, whenever a new page is published, a brief summery with a link to the article will be added as the top bullet, as shown above. The rules of this template would be the following:
When a new page is published, a brief 1-3 sentence paragraph summarizing the start of the page, preferably took directly from the start of the page, will be used as a bullet point on the template. (Model A only) The page's main image will be pictured in a maximum 150px image.
(Model A only) Even if the latest page does not have an image at the time of release, Model A will still only have one bullet.
If an article is deemed too short or is badly written, then the article can be skipped.
The template has two bullets in Model B, one in Model A, and whenever a new page is published the article is mention on the first bullet on the top of the template, with the oldest page's bullet point being removed.
Every paragraph should end with the code: '''[[pagename|Read more...]]'''.
The page's name should be linked and bolded.
As mentioned in the rules, there is two models that could work, because, as mentioned by Porplemontage, there is only enough space for either one bullet and an image, or two bullets with no image. Here is an example of how both models would look like:
Safe Buster(pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
Model B:
Safe Buster(pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
Bomb Sweeper is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on June 15, 1987, and is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a policeman and a character named John Solver attempt to stop a character named Dynamite Jack, who plants bombs underground town. Read more...
In my opinion, Model B is better, as while images are nice, not all pages immediately has an image when created, and two bullets can encourage more activity improving new pages than with just a single bullet. Still, this template could not only fill in space on the Main Page, but it could also encourage the creation of pages and the improvement of said pages.
EDIT:Per Alex95's suggestion, {{Special:NewPages|limit=2}} could also work, although in my opinion having a 1-3 sentence paragraph would better help readers get interested with the page than just the edit log, however it is still a viable option, so adding {{Special:NewPages|limit=2}} as option C. (As this Model would update automatically none of the other rules apply) This Model would look like this:
7feetunder (talk) Per Bazooka Mario's comment below. Too much effort for too little gain. If we really wanted to fill out that empty space, we could just make the "Mario & Nintendo News" section longer or something.
Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per 7feetunder. Plus, this only benefits desktop viewers, but not mobile viewers (since it would add to the list instead of equaling the other side). I like 7feetunder idea of how we could remove the added space, but we could either just extend a template (though, that still leaves space, but is part of the template too, and maybe not as preferred) or add something that viewers would be interested in (maybe something like the feature media from the DK wiki that is being merge (in the present) with this wiki). These two are just other two possibilities, but 7feetunder's option is both removes the space altogether and is easy to implement.
Bazooka Mario (talk) I don't think it's needed nor does it provide much benefits for its price of extra maintenance.
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) While the usefulness exists, it is quite slim, can be seen through a button that's already on the wiki, and isn't pretty by any means. The main page should at least look good.
BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, I think it'd be a bit too difficult to decide when to update, plus the space it would occupy drastically varies in size, at least on my laptop, depending on the length of the Did You Know? and Mario & Nintendo News sections- sometimes it has lots of space, and other times it goes below the 'Shroom box- if the News, Did You Know and this were all long, it wouldn't save space and may then create an issue of more empty space on the left.
TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all. While it could have some usefulness, I feel that the extra maintenance would be an issue, along with the fact that the empty space is not the same across browsers.
In my opinion having a 1-3 sentence paragraph would better help readers get interested with the page than just the edit log, and the reason that I added the "Read more..." so that if a user is new they may not know that blue=link so having an obvious link to the page would help attract new readers. Doomhiker (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2019 (EST)
I'm not sure having part of a behind-the-scenes log on the wiki's main page is a good idea, especially since users can type anything in the summary. MarioJC 06:42, 11 January 2019 (EST)
I feel that using behind-the-scenes logs instead of summaries could end up being confusing for people who are just here to read, while also being way less descriptive. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2019 (EST)
So would this have to be updated every time a new page is created? What about when new games are released and articles are constantly being made for its content? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 11:40, 11 January 2019 (EST)
@Waluigi Time it would have to be updated every time a new page is created, even when new games release. It would be the responsibility of the user who made the page, or another user if the user does not do so, to update the template. However, unlike the news and DYK template which require a large amount of effort to maintain, this template would really only need a copy-and-paste of the first few sentences of the page with extra code added and extremely minor adjustments. Doomhiker (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2019 (EST)
I personally do not think that updating it every single time a new page is created in situations such as that is necessary, as sometimes, multiple articles are created in a span of several minutes, and it does not seem necessary to have to update it every few minutes when it will quickly be updated again (especially if the user is unaware that they have to do it). --TheFlameChomp (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2019 (EST)
@TheFlameChomp I agree, and in one of the rules If an article is deemed too short or is badly written, then the article can be skipped. Perhaps I can modify that rule so it also includes Also, if a large amount of new pages are created in a short time span due to a new game or another major event, the updating of this template can be temporarily set aside until page creation is slowed down to a normal pace.Doomhiker (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2019 (EST)
This seems like a lot of maintenance and trouble (via new quality standards that prompts a new discussion) to go through for a small spot on the main page where only a fraction of readers will be pretty invested on. Unlike the other spots, this section isn't going to be updated on a schedule. It'll require constant watch on part of the recent changes. I really don't see the benefit for this for all this trouble aside from general aesthetics of the new page. I think there are other ways we can minimize empty space on the page; this appears to be just padding. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:28, 15 January 2019 (EST)
Character article infobox discrepancies
Okay, this has been bugging me even more so now. On a certain character article on this wiki that I will not name here, I was kindly trying to tell the respective parties that in terms of appearances, it's in regards to the game installment that they first appeared in. But the other editor begs to differ and says it's in regards to their first/latest appearances overall. Can anyone clarify on this and confirm if the character article infoboxes are mainly in regards to game installments only? --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 13:39, 9 February 2019 (EST)
The infoboxes first and latest appearance should be their first/latest appearances overall as those are their first/latest appearance, even if it is not in a game, although articles should also note a thing's first game appearance in an infobox. Doomhiker (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2019 (EST)
Easter Egg on the Super Mario Wiki discovered?
I found this a while ago, but decided to mention it today. If you go to the BJAODN section of the Super Mario Wiki, the wiki's logo will change to one that somewhat resembles Wikipedia's, except the logo includes Mario's eyes, nose, and mustache, the letters are replaced with Mario-themed stuff, and the text is written with the old Mario-style letters. See for yourself: https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:BJAODN
This easter egg also appears on every subpage of BJAODN (with the exception of those that feature an edited wiki that stars another character, as is the case of the April Fools 2017 and 2018 subpages) Speaking of April Fools, I believe that the April Fools subpages should have their own category, rather than being part of the Complete "articles", can someone do it if they agree with that? Gold Luigi (talk) 08:13, March 21, 2019 (EDT)
April Fouls Day logo change: Stinky Kong (aka Pink Donkey Kong Jr.) deserves nothing more than to be lacerated by Rambi
Just the facts. Get the hell off my screen, you abomination, and be replaced by Purple Captain Toad, who is so much more enjoyable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:13, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
comes here uninvited Boo! I wanted a Bowsette Wiki, not this nonsence! Gold Luigi (talk) 13:59, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Out or my signature, Stinky Kong! I'll have to wait tomorrow to remove it. --FanOfYoshi 14:06, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Bowsette sucks. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:16, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
What about Weegee? (T|C) 18:20, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I'm just saying Waluigi is always a good option --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:49, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Weegee is a funny punching bag in Super Smash Bros. Crusade but alas they removed him. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:50, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Weegee sucks, Fortran and Malleo were better. But Weegee's still better than Fortran's more-famous ripoff "Grand Dad," or those other two ripoffs. A ripoff of a ripoff. Bowsette was....OK-level-amusing at first, and that's the best I can say. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:27, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
To be perfectly fair, taking all factors into account....the logo is garbage and you should feel ashamed. Tosses an endless supply of particularly-stinky fish. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:34, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I will additionally suggest not changing the colors of the ranks on the recent changes again, the bureaucrat green was near blinding. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:58, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Agreed as well. The green melted my eyes and then tossed them in a dump heap. TheDarkStar (talk) 22:11, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I hated it as well. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:39, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah. Maybe next year, they could change all usernames to red, making it look like no-one has a userpage. That might be a nice prank for April Fool's 2020. TheDarkStar 23:47, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, I made the bureaucrat color too bright, that's my bad. I can't check how the colors look until the css page is saved, and I just didn't feel like making correction after correction, so I just went with it :P 00:16, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
You could get color values from GIMP or practically any image editor program so you have a general idea of it before you save the page. Ah well, just something to keep in mind in case it's needed again. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:18, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I got them from here, which looked perfectly fine to me. But I guess I'm not the best at picking colors ^^; (I don't know why a bureaucrat didn't just change it) 00:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Concentration. A small amount in a pattern against a huge white background is going to make any super-bright color practically unbearable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:42, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I have to agree with FireyYoshi. This year's April Fools' joke definitely was weak, especially when compared to previous year's. Plus, it didn't show the "We Are Pink Donkey Kong Jr." logo (at least for me), it kept showing the regular "Super Mario Wiki" logo instead. Gold Luigi (talk) 14:02, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Try hard refreshing (Ctrl+F5) next time. TheDarkStar 14:20, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Wow, this discussion has gone on a long time... TheDarkStar 14:23, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It feels especially weak to me, since I had my "Death to Pie" proposal planned nearly a whole year in advance. In fact, the only recent editions to it were adding Starlow and Kersti alongside Mr. Star Gate after I realized the extent of the bile that stupid yellow thing had amassed for herself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, Pink Donkey Kong Jr. probably wasn't the best April Fool's prank the wiki has seen, especially the eye-melting bureaucrat green. TheDarkStar 14:27, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
As I said above, Dark Star X or Fawful might be good choices for April Fool's 2020. TheDarkStar 14:50, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I DO have the perfect choice for April Fools 2020, but I'd rather keep it a secret... OK, not really, how about we turn every Nintendo wiki into a 100% anime wiki for 2020, similar to how we turned them into a Sony wiki in 2017? We can put Astro Boy for Mario, Yokai Watch for Pokemon, etc. Gold Luigi (talk) 15:01, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Good idea, but I will vehemently oppose that in favor of Dark Star X. TheDarkStar 15:04, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Forgot to mention that, the reason I want for my April Fools prank to come true in 2020, and ONLY in 2020, is because of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games. Anime (and Astro Boy, the first anime ever) were both originated in Japan, right? And Tokyo is in Japan. So I came up with that. Gold Luigi (talk) 15:07, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
What about the inevitable 2020 release of a Super Mario Bros. platformer featuring a revived Dark Star? TheDarkStar 15:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I can even try my hand at rendering characters for an official style though I don't know how quickly that'd turn out to be fake... Ray Trace(T|C) 15:27, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
If so, could you please do a Dark Star render for my userpage? TheDarkStar 15:35, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
That's a lot of effort, not sure if I can undertake that. Ray Trace(T|C) 15:46, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
OK, thanks! TheDarkStar 18:03, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
This discussion is growing awfully long. Anyone know what we should do with it? TheDarkStar 18:04, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
In the event another M&L game is announced, I move for Starlowiki. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:15, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Darkstarlowiki? TheDarkStar 18:17, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
If this is possible perhaps Porple could change the pop-up ads to just Starlow stating obvious facts such as "the Mario wiki has a Mario page". Doomhiker (talk) 18:21, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Sounds reasonable. TheDarkStar 19:38, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I think so. TheDarkStar 14:58, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
Uhhh...
Does the Pink DK Jr logo at the top need to be replaced since it's no longer April Fools? TheIceCream (talk) 10:07, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It should. --FanOfYoshi 10:09, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It has been. Click File:Mariowiki.png and do a hard refresh. 11:34, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It hasn't. It still shows DK Jr. TheIceCream (talk) 14:50, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Try Ctrl+F5. TheDarkStar 14:51, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Ah yes. Cheers. TheIceCream (talk) 17:28, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Nintendo's own browsers
For the last couple of weeks, I have been unable to access MarioWiki (and SmashWiki) from the 3DS and Wii U's browsers. Why? RickTommy (talk) 05:59, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
Well, it's not because Nintendo isn't allowing it specifically-the wiki isn't affiliated with Nintendo. JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 17:07, July 7, 2019 (EDT) 22:25, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
The same thing happened to me on my Wii U. Are you saying that Nintendo only allows websites affiliated with it? I'm confused. --DeepFriedCabbage 15:58, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
Oh, no. What I mean is that the reason that the wiki is not accessible is not because Nintendo blocked it specifically (judging by the discussion title, it looks like that's what Rick was asking about). JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 20:40, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
I'm not saying anything of the sort. The reason I chose that title was for the irony. Anyway, I asked this same question on the SmashWiki (see here) and got an answer that may help. RickTommy (talk) 20:22, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
Okay. Sorry about that, and I'm glad you found an answer. JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 15:12, August 7, 2019 (EDT)
Change my password
How do I change my password on my profile if I can't remember my current password? MarioLover54 12:26 PM 7/31/2019 (EST)
There should be a "reset password" option if you set an email address. If you didn't, you'll have to talk to Porplemontage (talk). -YFJ (talk · edits) 12:28, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Loging in on NIWA
Can you sign in on Smashwiki when you only have a Mariowiki account? Mad Hunter (talk) 13:53, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Accounts between sites are not shared within NIWA. You have to make a new account on Smash Wiki. 14:02, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Mad Hunter (talk) 14:08, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Really?
This years April Fools joke is not good, are we running out of ideas? FireyYoshi (talk)
what joke, steve needs more money okay --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 10:24, April 1, 2020 (EDT)
A new Paper Mario game was just announced. Should we add that to Mario & Nintendo news MarioMorty (talk) 09:26, May 14, 2020 (EDT)
It's up, thanks for notifying. MarioJC 10:25, May 14, 2020 (EDT)
Donkey Kong Country coming to Switch Online!
I think it's worth mentioning on the front page. User:DK Fan
Added. 23:18, July 7, 2020 (EDT)
Random Question
How do you get the images in your usernames? everytime I try, it fails.. -- MarioMorty (talk) 13:17, July 18, 2020 (EDT)
[[File:Image.png|32px]], for example. For signatures, you should avoid using "thumb" or "frame". Learn more at MarioWiki:Signatures. 13:29, July 18, 2020 (EDT)
Could I get a link to the template for links? (lol) I think outside links should open in new tabs,(e.g.) correct me if I'm wrong. I was going to propose to do this on the template, couldn't find it. I should know the code to accomplish this. CappyThrow (Talk) 03:36, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
Why would people want to be forced to open a new tab? Before my recent browser cleanup, there was enough that any more would start hiding them due to space. Regardless, if anyone wants to open a new tab for whatever reason, they need only right-click. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:16, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
I usually open pages in a new tab. But I'm not sure what you mean, are you talking about MarioWiki:Links? 13:48, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
'Shroom?
Why does the main page advertise the 'Shroom... twice? There are two bars, one at the top and the other towards the middle. -Mags (talk) 15:47, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
Top one is MediaWiki:Sitenotice which is displayed across the wiki, middle is {{Announcement}} which is just displayed on the main page. 16:12, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
Why does the search function suck?
I have noticed that the search function on MarioWiki really doesn't work very well. Or, at least, it doesn't function like most other sites' search functions and ends up usually not being helpful. For example, I searched for "Mario Party 3 Credits" once because at the time, I couldn't remember the exact title of the page. What are the results of this search?
...etc, etc, just a long list of popular, or often visited, pages that just happen to contain "Mario" within them somewhere. This doesn't help at all. I find that nine times out of ten, the pages for Mario, Luigi, DK and for some reason "List of Items" will always be at the top of the search results. So, what's wrong with it? Shadow2 (talk) 06:18, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
Well, the credits page does not actually have the word "credits" anywhere in the page. So that will definitely play a part in search never bringing that up. List of Mario Party 3 staff. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
When you search, the results will only list pages containing all the words in your search. To avoid the type of results you got, try searching "Mario Party 3" in quotes, without "credits" because that word isn't present (we use "staff"). You'll then see all pages containing Mario Party 3 in the title.
I understand your points, but I still think there's something not quite right. I'm comparing this to search functions on other Wikis, including Wikipedia, and none of those wikis will always spit out the same list of articles if it can't find one with a matching title. On other wikis if you search for something it'll give you stuff that's at least a little close, but this wiki will always give me "Mario" "Luigi" "List of items" every single time. This gives the impression to the user (me) that the search function is broken. You go to the Zelda wiki or something, and "Link" doesn't show up at the top of every single possible search result. Shadow2 (talk) 19:46, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
What would be a good search function (to me) would be a thing that you could toggle in the settings. The thing that you could toggle would be acrually two things: The ability to search for just the phrase and not it jumbled up, and the ability to be able to search d and have articles that included d also as part of a word than just seperately. By the way, it was really hard to phrase this. DarkNight 19:58, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
I get the feeling this happens with every wiki that is run by Porplemontage, including this one and the Kingdom Hearts wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
The game is now available for me to play which means the latest appearance can be updated. However, would this be the sort of thing we would update the latest appearance to for everything? Nightwicked Bowser
Yes, everything that appears in 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy. (T|C) 20:49, September 17, 2020 (EDT)
Citation format
Hey fellas, didn't know where to ask. We borrow a citation format from Wikipedia, but there is a huge discrepancy on the entire wiki on whether citations go after the period, or before the period. Wikipedia places the citations after the period. Our official MarioWiki:Citations page tells us to put it before the period. Most our articles have the citations after the period which is supposedly wrong (don't believe me? look up any major article, Mario, Yoshi, Bowser and just CTRL+F [1] [2]). Our sysops have been enforcing the citation before the period on new articles, as I've noticed Alex95 doing when I was writing the Steve (Minecraft) article. But it's causing a major discrepancy and I just wanted to bring it up. Personally, I think it should be after the period, it looks neater, but whatever is chosen, there is no standard right now. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
I agree with after. Same with commas --Steve (talk) 22:20, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
"Tap to display image"
Anyone on mobile view, are lots of images in pages covered with a message saying this until you actually tap the image? Is there a setting anywhere where all images will be displayed immediately? This doesn't apply to desktop view. Nightwicked Bowser
Your outdated software may not have this, but the fix is to go to Settings -> Safari -> Advanced -> Experimental Features and enable "Intersection Observer" --Steve (talk) 09:09, October 29, 2020 (EDT)
App
Do we have an app. and if we don't please don't expect me to make it as I have no history in app design --MarioMorty (talk) 16:59, November 7, 2020 (EST)
Trivia
The trivia isn't even correct. Wario appears in Super Mario Land 2. Polterpup (talk) 20:55, November 22, 2020 (EST)
But he's not playable there. 20:56, November 22, 2020 (EST)
Grammatically speaking, "appears and is playable" implies it is the only game he appears in. It should just say "is playable." Polterpup (talk) 15:58, November 23, 2020 (EST)
Fixed. DarkNight 16:05, November 23, 2020 (EST)
Talk page archive template
I noticed that any talk pages with archive subpages have formatting that seem more suitable as a template (i.e. see Talk:Mario, Talk:Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, and so more). Is it doable to make this a template and is it recommended? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:36, December 11, 2020 (EST)
Where I can help
I want to help, but I don't know where to start as I don't have much coding experience --MarioMorty (talk) 00:15, February 7, 2021 (EST)
Non-Japanese/English voice actors in infoboxes
I'm not sure if this was already discussed among the admins, but I think this should be discussed publicly. There was an anon adding names of voice actors for characters originating from other franchises such as Sonic in languages besides Japanese and English. My question is should we keep those or remove them. Personally, my concern about this practise is that it's not really that consistent with the rest of the wiki, with every other infobox listing English/Japanese actors only (which is possible could be the only voice actors), and I feel it clutters them a bit. Nightwicked Bowser 19:49, February 9, 2021 (EST)
We talked about it on the admin and the discord and found the 3DS version of M&S 2016 does have dubbed voice clips for languages beside English and Japanese (specifically French, Spanish, German and Italian,), so the voice actor information warrants to be listed somewhere - for the characters that appear in that, game for those languages.
Now the following two thoughts (these are not admin teams concensus)
-For the sake of avoiding clutter, I feel infoboxes should only list the source language of a given media, and English. If the source language is English, then only that.
-Information about dubs beside English and Japanese should be mentioned somewhere. There's no reason to. My favoured approach would be in the "List of portrayals" sections seen on some character pages. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:14, February 9, 2021 (EST)
I agree with this. MarioJC 22:43, February 9, 2021 (EST)
Seconded; if anything in terms of the infobox for character articles, I think it should be listing the English voice artists only. For those that have voice artists in other language, I think it should be under a sub-section under "List of portrayals" in character articles after the English ones have been listed first (when it is really necessary). --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 00:01, February 10, 2021 (EST)
I agree. --MarioMorty (talk) 19:46, February 12, 2021 (EST)
Idea For April Fools 2021
Idea For April Fool's: Remove everything relating to Mario's 35th anniversary for a day. (you probably know why) --MarioMorty (talk) 20:04, February 19, 2021 (EST)
Did you know ideas
For the next "did you know" we cold put: Mario and Luigis last name is Mario. Bubbasour11
Worldwide release dates
For games with a worldwide release date, we could put a globe next to the date of release to signify this. Spooky! (talk) 19:56, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
This was something I was thinking of bringing up, I don't really like the look of certain game infoboxes saying the exact same date for every country. Nightwicked Bowser 19:58, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
Demo subsection/subpage
I was wondering if we should add a section about demos (not tech demos) such as store kiosk demos or the gamecube demos discs featuring multiple games Bobster (talk) 14:23, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
R.I.P. Walker Boone
I think it's worth mentioning on the main page. DK Fan
Dr. Mario World Memories
Even if the main game of Dr. Mario World's App. close the 1 November 2021, the App. was still working to let players to access to the Dr. Mario World's Memories from the App. until today. On the site, they said it will be closed for the 31 January 2022, but they actually close it between 00:00 (UTC) and 02:00 (UTC) the 1 February 2022 (today). As a proof, I got pictures where it worked at 11:57 PM (UTC), the 31 January and before and when it doesn't work anymore at 02:00 (UTC). Can we add those informations in the Trivia section of the main page of this site, please?
The page for Dr. Mario World should also include those informations.
Please be patient, talk page messages aren't always noticed immediately. If there's information missing from pages you're free to add it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:15, February 3, 2022 (EST)
April Fools 2022 idea.
Since 2022 will mark the 30th anniversary of Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins, the first appearance of Wario, we should briefly turn this wiki into the Super Wario Wiki. DK Fan
The staff have already decided on what April Fools will be themed on this year. You'll see when the time comes. Nightwicked Bowser 20:46, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Um, is there any way to update the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass Course info with it being released in the US of A as well? Because I was able to purchase it off the eShop. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:45, March 18, 2022 (EDT)
Considering
I've been considering to create a SSB proposal where instead of asking to further simplify and/or delete, it allow for allowing more SSB coverage. I thought about this a bit... The Super Smash Bros. series title is a pun on Super Mario Bros..... in the English language, that is, and while it's not the case in Japanese, this is still an English-speaking wiki & many are familiarized with Mario being the flagship of not only Nintendo but the main representative of the overall SSB series, especially the earlier installments with fewer third-party characters. In this regard I consider Super Smash Bros. a "related series" to the Mario franchise (whereas Zelda & Kirby, for example, are obviously their own thing). I just wanted to get feedback on this idea for a proposal before putting it into practice. It's also the main resource for casual SSB players not only in NIWA but online in general. Results May Vary (talk) 10:18, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Smash coverage is a majorly polarizing aspect of this wiki, so if you're going to seriously suggest that we undo all that progress we've made toward limiting our Smash coverage in favor of treating the series as full-on Mario titles and fully covering it then you'd better be ready for the floodgates to open. I, for one, vehemently oppose. I'd rather do the exact opposite and get rid of our non-Mario coverage of Smash (or spin it off to a new wiki or something). I posted several comments on that proposal I just linked explaining why, but I think Glowsquid's comment sums it up better. 11:06, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
I mean I have relocated a lot of the content elsewhere (user page could point in the right direction), but I'm infamous around NIWA, so that's a problem when it comes to directly connecting it to Mario Wiki. Know what I mean? Results May Vary (talk) 11:20, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Can't say I do know what you mean about your alleged "infamy". It's not a good excuse for dumping the content here regardless. 12:39, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Yeah I just meant if the SSB coverage issue were brought up again, the current solution to it might not be ideal as it not a full replication of the Mario Wiki style. This is because it's a Miraheze wiki (I can't afford to host wikis anymore) and I don't plan to move it off or try & have it inducted in NIWA or be hosted by Grifkuba (long story). That's why I figured the representation of casual SSB within NIWA would mainly be done from the Mario Wiki itself. Results May Vary (talk) 12:53, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Film infobox
Hey, I think it's time we develop an infobox for movies, with the upcoming Mario movie and whatnot. I would make it myself but I get a little confused by how to make a template. Aside from having the details that already covered therein the article like director and cast, it could cover details like the movie's runtime, budget and box office, details that are not present in these types of articles. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
I know what to do for April Fool's 2023 make it Sonic themed like I did hereNatsMario 02:38, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Updated on 05:50, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I do think we should wait for more ideas next year, see if new ideas crop up as we'll get more Mario games and whatnot. April Fools was just 2 months ago, after all. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:14, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
As I said a few sections above, the staff decide on what to do for April Fools, and we start thinking about it around February-March. Nightwicked Bowser 07:51, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Maybe We Can Use This Whem Mario And Sonic At The Olympic Games 2023 Comes Out NatsMario 19:12, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
That editing field...
I think several of us agree that the background we're using for editing is.... not the greatest. There has been proposed changes to it in our Discord channel, such as changing the images or removing it all together and simply having a blank background. I don't think it hurts to have a bit of flavor, but I wonder what images we should settle on before we fire a proposal. I also decided to at least have a discussion here just so people without a Discord and those editing the wiki DO get a chance to discuss any changes and whatnot. There are several group images I like to share below.
Image 1
This is a good one since all major series stars are here. There's one issue: there's no alpha channel. (Yes Mario and Waluigi, I know you're disappointed, but don't blame Koopa con Carne this time, blame Nintendo) However I do think we can resolve this easily, doesn't seem like a difficult job to remove it; we'll probably be editing the image anyway to wash it out for the sake of good contrast with what's more important, the functionality of the editing field). Other issues do include lack of bigger players like Daisy, Rosalina, and the powerups (but to be fair, we already have powerups scattered on the sidebar anyway). I would go for this one, but I'd really like Rosalina and Daisy on there. Can't have everything.
Here's a mockup I did for a potential new background
Here is a mockup of the new background if we successfully replace it
And here's a source png with the background white removed. I'd rather we don't pad out the image with this white space and use css functions to arrange the image at the bottom, but I'm not a css wizard at all, I just know how to inspect element and stuff
Image 2
This one is good too since it encompasses the entire playable cast of the initial release of Strikers Battle League minus Donkey Kong a rich line up of Mario characters and powerups, but there's one issue: there's no alpha channel. Also, the lack of Donkey Kong should be an issue because we do cover the DK series in full so I feel Donkey Kong should have to be here. I figure a mockup would look pretty similar to the first attempt, so I'm not going to attempt it here.
Image 3
And this last one does have the big benefit of an alpha channel, but it's held back by a more limited cast with no Wario despite their series being prominent part of MarioWiki.
As for the future, well, there might be new an improved group art, but as far as goes, the 2D stuff should be more future-proof than 3D. We really shouldn't be using GCN-era renders though, especially when those three images don't even belong in the same game as each other, and one isn't a stock image of Mario, but clearly identified as artwork from 2000s. Thanks, FLUDD.
Anyway, before I try carrying out a proposal, I'd like to see any more candidates for an editing field, and we can narrow down to a few, if any, so we don't overwhelm voters with all these options. Also suggestions for adjustments to the image is fine before I file it for a proposal. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:51, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Comments for editing field
Image 3 definitely NatsMario 03:55, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Why do you think so? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:55, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Because it looks pretty NatsMario 03:58, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
But it doesn't have WAAAAALuigi. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:11, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I'm of the sentiment that having an editing background is pretty pointless, particularly because any images would need to be transparent hard enough just to permit the editing text to be visible at all times. It just wouldn't look good to see, and as a result I don't see a reason to have another editing background that will have to be adjusted and be very faint to see. That being said, I think Image 1 looks the best, as it contains the primary cast of Mario-related characters. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 04:14, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I like it because it adds a subtle accent (similar to the background in our proposals-space, as tacky as that one is) and it does help distinguish the field from the rest of the interface a bit. Our wiki looks, admittedly, plain and minimalist at points, but maybe an accent here will help it keep it a little more unique compared to other wikis aesthetics-wise. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:19, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I think Image 2 is pretty good, since it contains most of the major characters and enemies of the franchise, though I can rarely even see that edit background image. Most of the time, it's blocked by a ton of words. WildWario (talk) 04:33, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
It's definitely a good lineup but it just irritates me that DK is missing, and DK content takes up a big chunk of the wiki. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:37, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I'm personally in the "we don't need one at all" camp, but I'd prefer image 1. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 12:02, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Hey, what if we combined the two? I could do that... -ChilliDaYoshi555
Because the opacity of image 2 was a concern in Bazooka Mario's original post, I'd like to inform everyone that Play Nintendo provides a version with an alpha channel, although it's smaller and has some shading dither: -- KOOPACONCARNE 19:16, November 23, 2022 (EST)
I'd personally choose the Play Nintendo version of image 2. Power Flotzo (talk) 17:36, November 25, 2023 (EST)
Well, it looks like from my skin, the images have been removed all together. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:40, November 25, 2023 (EST)
List of every Mario Kart course?
I recently had an idea of creating a list article of every original course in the Mario Kart series, with links to the games and courses’ respective articles. If this sounds like a good idea, let me know and I’d be happy to start it off. If this idea is rejected then that’s okay. This was signed by NintendoFan08 15:30, December 10, 2022 (EST)
There's already a complete list of courses here. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 15:32, December 10, 2022 (EST)
Okay, my mistake. This was signed by NintendoFan08 18:31, December 10, 2022 (EST)
New 2D Mario game leak
A new 2D Super Mario game has been leaked as of today.[1] The leak says that Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad are the playable characters, Takashi Tesuka and Hiroyuki Kimora are producers, and it’s set to launch in 2023/2024. I’m not saying an article should be made yet because leaks aren’t enough for one, but just keep your eyes peeled for any information on this untitled Mario game. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 07:58, December 19, 2022 (EST)
1) Unfortunately, no, none so far. 2) Is that sarcasm or a serious question? Not trying to be rude or accuse you of anything, just asking. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 09:52, December 27, 2022 (EST)
1) Sad. 2) That was a serious question. I was just excited. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:13, January 04, 2023 (CST)
1) I know, right? 2) Okay. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 13:49, January 4, 2023 (EST)
Well, the leaks were true. Time to close the discussion. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 11:40, June 24, 2023 (EDT)
List of games by date link contains... malware??
I was reading an article (Fliprus to be specific) and clicked on the link in the infobox that takes you to the list of games by date when my antivirus software aborted connection to due it being infected with "URL:Phishing". Was this a mistake, a hack or something else? An explanation would be greatly appreciated. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 09:56, December 27, 2022 (EST)
Do you have a reliable source for this? Nightwicked Bowser 15:45, March 1, 2023 (EST)
You can find many resources on google. I heard it from a friend, so I looked it up. All of them seem reliable. Of course, that is up to you to decide. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:36, March 2, 2023 (CST)
This brings up a good question. 2 sections ago, NintendoFan08 talked of a new 2D Super Mario game within that same year period. Would this game be for this new console, if both turn out to be correct? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:39, March 2, 2023 (CST)
IT'S REAL! NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ARE COVERING IT! LOOK ONLINE! SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:44, January 9, 2024 (CST)
Third-party sources don't really count as official. It's safer to wait until info comes from Nintendo themselves. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 11:18, January 9, 2024 (EST)
And THAT compliment is not an April Fools joke, right? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:23, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
indeed it's not a joke :3 -- KOOPACONCARNE 04:26, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
That's complete fact. Mario. --FanOfYoshi 04:27, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
Awww, thanks! Mario. It was my idea, but we wouldn't have done it without encouragement and contributions from fellow staff! Mario. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:29, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
Check the nav template again! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:11, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
It has Supermarionation. I checked. Also, it seems like this took Mario way too far. What's next, a Super Mario Multiverse wiki, with articles on everything Mario, official & unofficial? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:16, April 10, 2023 (CST)
DKC animation on Did You Know
Quick update as Ron Rubin also came back to do Kaptain Scurvy for that fan animation. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 13:27, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
elongated muskrat amirite xDDDD
Do we change all instances of the name "Twitter" to "X" in the wake of the site's rebranding? -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:08, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
We should honestly first put these links through an archive. Every Twitter source in the future needs to be archived It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
How weird!
It is unusual for the wiki to use Emojis, I found one on the microgame Apple Blaster --AJOMarioWiki (talk) 16:29, November 17, 2023 (EST)
Apparently the Microgame uses an apple ICON rather than the word apple in traditional WarioWare style so the editors used the emoji. But yes, the wiki does not use emojis at all otherwise.
P.S. Also, it might have been better to say this on the talk page of the article rather than the talk page of this one. Wonder Time!
Very funny.., VERY funny, guys…
That’s not sarcasm, I actually was almost convinced that the April Fool’s Joke was real for a second there. Wonder Time!
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Why the heck is this article so huge?! It lags like a WIKIA page! Are all of those images necessary? HavocReaper48 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be huge because it is a Featured Article, and this article follows everything the Featured Articles needs, huge articles need to stay that way, etc. HappyHalloween!
No, it's huge because there's a lot of info that needs to be covered. Being large isn't actually an FA requirement: as long as the article's not tiny, it's the quality that matters, not the quantity. - Walkazo 16:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
Split
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I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections into separate, respectful sub-articles, just like the staff and soundtracks. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Proposed Deadline: April 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT Date Withdrawn: April 15, 2011
Really? All you need to do is find the time in GMT (which for you I heard you mention is +8 hours for you) then check the date. Go forward two weeks from that date and end at 23:59 or 24:00 GMT. Rule 2 on the proposal page can be a little confusing, I had to read it a few times before I got what it was saying. Bop1996(Talk) 10:34, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I just have my date and time preferences set to the server default and look at RecentChanges to keep track of what time it is in GMT. For the deadline, I just look at a calendar and go straight down the day column two weeks; adding 14 days to the date also works if you're not crossing into another month (in this case, 3 + 14 = 17). The only potentially confusing part of Rule 2 (imho) is the stuff about rounding the voting start time, which doesn't apply to TPPs. I added specific dates to the Rule 2 example to try and make it a bit better, and I added a deadline example to TPP Rule 3 too. - Walkazo 11:13, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
That works too, my point with Rule 2 is that people seem to have a hard time applying the differences between their time and GMT. Most of the incorrect end times seem to be because people forget to convert to GMT... I think I saw a place on the wiki that listed the differences between GMT and other time zones, maybe a link to that page would help. Bop1996(Talk) 13:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I think that would be a good idea, though I have one question: Why does the wiki use GMT in the first place? Mario4Ever (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
I think it's because of the time facility in Greenwich, England. They count the Earth's rotation and it's supposed to be extremely accurate. I'm not really the person to ask this, as I never cared until I came to the wiki and had to care. Bop1996(Talk) 09:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
No, it's because we're an International wiki, and GMT is the standard one used all over the world (hence it's the server default); we used to use EST/EDT, but that was considered too America-centric (and daylight savings time muddled the issue pretty badly). Here's the proposal that had is start using GMT. We use one time zone to regulate when voting ends so proposals don't randomly disappear all the time and confuse people; that's how it's always been done. As for people having trouble converting to GMT, it's not complicated at all: just memorize how many hours are added or removed for your time zone. For me, EST is GMT-5; the only confusing bit is when we switch to EDT, which is GMT-4, but that's why I've got my preferences set to GMT - to double-check times if I'm ever a bit unsure of myself. Daylight savings time issues aside, asking people to memorize one addition or subtraction equation is not unreasonable, and folks can just Google search "GMT" to find out their time zone's offset (the first website is a conversion page, the first image result is a map, etc.), so we shouldn't even need a page of conversions here. We could always link to one of the many Wikipedia articles dealing with time zones, tho; this one has a nice chart, for example, and this has a map, although you need to view it at full resolution in order to read it. - Walkazo 10:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
@Kaptain K. Rool: Yeah, I know they are part of the cast. What is the point you're trying to make. Zero777 (talk)
That they are both a part of he cast and we don't need two separate articles about the cast. Kaptain K. Rool (talk)
I was trying to make a point but his idea is better.
Is it possible for me to make changes to the proposal and to strike out everybody's vote until they revert their's for fairness? Zero777 (talk)
I'm not sure, the three day period where you are allowed to edit your proposal is up. You could ask for the proposal to be cancelled and then relist it according to how you want to change it, or you could ask a sysop what you should do... Bop1996 (talk)
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Split from Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Merge into staff sub-articles 7-0
I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections and merge them into the staff sub-articles. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit, and also it seems like the proposal to merge the Subspace Emissary back into the article looks like it is going to succeed and it will make the article enormous-er.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Deadline: May 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Wouldn't it be better to put the music staff with the rest of the staff? The article's current segregation and placement of those folks seems rather silly to begin with... - Walkazo 14:26, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
@Zero: You'd better change the proposal now, unless you want the proposal removed again and to re-list it... By April 32, did you mean May 2? I must've missed the universal calendar changes... Bop1996(Talk) 14:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
I actually changed the deadline to May 1. Using 24:00 should be perfectly fine, but if folks are going to keep changing it to 0:00 the next day (which is NOT allowed, as it messes up the nice +14 days motif), it's best to simply use 23:59. - Walkazo 15:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
I say we merge all of the subspace emissary levels into one article kirby9612
I'm upset with the way the merge was handled.
I've been gone from this wiki for quite a while, and I was surprised at what I found on the SSBB staff list page when I got back. I am disappointed by how the merge happened, specifically with how Walkazo handled it. This is not a "merge". This is basically just overwriting all of the work I did in compiling a list of the game's arrangers. You practically copied from the official Dojo website, which leaves out a lot of the arrangement credits. The only things you added to my original list (which is still in the page history) was the names of performers. But you also added in arrangers who were already covered in the "Music and Sound" section of the credits as they actually appear in the game on your TV screen.
For example: Kentaro Ishizaka, who was credited as one of the "Music and Sound" individuals in the credits, also arranged twelve songs, if one searches through the sound test. In the big honkin' table that was dropped on this page, Ishizaka is only listed as the "arrangement supervisor" (a term I disfavor to "arranger" or "arranged by") of two songs: "Waluigi Pinball" and "Famicon Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally - Title". That leaves out all his work on songs like "Corneria" and "You Call This a Utopia?!"! Then again, Ishizaka's arrangement credits were already listed by me in the "Music and Sound" section.
The original intent of the "Music Arrangement" section was to list things exactly as they were in the original, on-your-TV credits. Isn't that the point of any "/Staff" article? List the credits as they appear on screen in the same order? That's what I was trying to do with this page when I created it six months ago (with help from someone's YouTube copy of the credits). I just added in more information by my own research that made the page more useful.
In the end, I think a "merge" could be completed much better if we were to leave the "Music and Sound" section alone, and list the names in the "Music Arrangement" section in the same order that they appear in the game. List only those names, plus the performers (like James Cowan and Emily McIntosh, for example), and leave the "Music and Sound" names out of the "Music Arrangement" names. That's just my two fifty cents.
Oh! Just thought of something. The people who performed vocally on the songs should be listed under the voices, not the music arrangement credits, following the example set here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors -Dogman15 20:19, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
wtf
My PC displays erroneously the images with some wacky and funny effects such as:
The pic of Groudon is a Trampoline.
The entire Subspace map is a soccerball, (BJAODN forward) suggesting that upon a time the entire Subspace was a soccerball. Pretty interesting.
The Kongs' emblem is Bowser. IT'S SO FREAKIN' GENIUS.
The SSBB Battlefield is Sonic. From today everyone can now battle over Sonic!
The Halberd is the Mushroomy Kingdom. Did there was a fatal merge error somewhere?!
Barrels are Wii Remotes. How can I throw my Wii Remote on the screen and assisting its transformation?
The Super Mushroom is now a Stock Ball. Wow, now I can get both an extra life and more power!
The Samurai Goroh is smoke. BREAKING NEWS!!! The Samurai Goroh has now the power to turn into colored smoke!!!
And more! The text in bold is sarcastic opinion.
--Super Famicom 64 16:59, 25 February 2012 (EST)
About 1 out of 4 times when I get a Game Over in Subspace Emissionary, the music plays before the trophies hit the ground. Could anyone explain why this is? Please?
The link to the dojo now directs you to the Smash Bros. 4 website. I think this should either be removed, or changed to one of the existing site pages. ---Skittles
Since it no longer covers Brawl, I recommend removing the link and adding a section about it to the article itself. Tacopill (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
Fun Fact: DELETE!!!!!!
When you want to delete ALL of your data, the game will ask you 3 times if you are sure.
First Time: Are you sure your want to erase data? (Erased data cannot be recovered.)
Second Time: Absoluetly sure? (No erased date can be recovered.)
Final Time: Really? (You will lose it FOREVER!)
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Music Links?
Something I noticed was that there were only links for a few of the songs (one or two per stage). Is this simply because the site being linked to only has those songs? If so, we could just edit in links to YouTube videos that have each song. Just seems like something to make the article a bit more user-friendly. Kathogenia (talk) 02:00, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Maybe....Ray Trace(T|C) 02:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Move The Subspace Emissary to a separate page
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Baby Luigi (talk) I have to agree with this proposal for a variety of reasons. One, unlike other game modes, this is a pretty damn huge game mode. It's practically its own thing and it even gets its own sections of enemies in there. Having the Subspace Emissary, a huge complex deep mode in an article that's already quite extensive enough is overkill for me. It's the same reason I made the Super Duel Mode article by itself rather than having it cluttered on the Mario Party 5 article. Coin Rush, Boost Rush, and some other modes also have their own articles too because they're quite detailed, deep, and very complex gameplay. This isn't some optional side mode like Battle Mode or Time Trials or Extras mode, it's a full on complex own thing that I feel should deserve its own article. I wouldn't completely move it to its own page, but we could leave a short section for it in the Brawl article. I think making an article focused on the Subspace Emissary is a good move and it should rightfully deserve its own page, unlike Adventure mode from Melee.
Yoshi K (talk) I have to agree with the above, because of all the other game modes that have their own page. I think The Subspace Emissary is in a similar situation as the game modes mentioned above.
Oppose
Time Turner (talk) This is the proposal that originally merged the Subspace with this article, and I agree wholeheartedly with it. The solution really shouldn't be to split the Subspace Emissary simply due to its length. Yes, it is overly long, but if the problem lies in the fact that it's long, then maybe we should try to not make it long? Besides the length, what exactly warrants for this section to be split? It's very distinctly a mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which would mean that splitting it would be inconsistent (as per other proposals who merged modes). Also, the Subspace Emissary section, despite being overwhelmingly and unnecessarily long, is poorly written. There is an excellent reason for why it has that rewrite template, with lines like "On the verge of tears, while all alone," and "As Diddy stares in fear and awe," (are we writing an article or a novel?) really accentuating why it's bad. Simply put, we shouldn't just send the info off to another article; it's like we're just shoving the problem in a corner and saying, "Nope, nothing wrong here." What we should do is work to shorten, trim, and improve what's already there. Besides, if this did get split, I'd advocate for it to be deleted just because of how badly written it is.
SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per Time Turner. This is like moving the History section of Mario's page to another page because it's too long.
SeanWheeler (talk) Per Time Turner. Crossover games like Super Smash Bros. shouldn't get more special treatment than mainstream Mario games. If you want the Subspace Emissary with its own article, see Smash Wiki.
Holy constipated shit god, that plot section! Please, somebody has to reduce the writing; this is just literally too much. Once this is considered, then we can find out if there is enough information to give it a separate article. It does have its own sets of bosses and enemies, plus, a really dumb plot, though. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:14, 15 February 2014 (EST)
Could I cancel this proposal? Pinkie Pie (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Where are Master Hand's sounds in the sound test?--NintendoFan369 (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
The origin of Wario's victory theme in Smash Bros series: EXPLAINED
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wario victory theme is the original track stylistically meant to match the sound/tone of WarioWare games. You should keep in mind that this jingle was created before Wario Land: Shake It actually came out or was even announced.
This melody would be repurposed for the song "Stonecavring City" in the latter game. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.171.13.145 (talk).
Where is an official source saying the victory theme is the original? It shouldn't be treated as a reference without confirmation, and like Ray Trace said, there's also the possibility it's the other way around since both games were developed at the same time. The interviewer in the reference on SmashWiki does claim that the fanfare is an arrangement of Shake It! (which makes me confused about the SmashWiki paragraph since it claims the opposite), but he was not involved in either game's development so I don't think this is reliable. And please sign your comments. MarioJC 11:43, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
The edvience of Stonecarving City music from Wario Land: Shake It being inspired by Wario's victory jingle in Smash Brawl is all there!
Check this link: https://archive.vgfacts.com/thread-2160.html It says that unlike everyone else's, Wario's victory flourish is completely original Untitled user (talk) 18:57, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
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That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link.LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)
I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)
If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.--Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?--Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)
The writing is AWFUL
I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.
I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)
You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. --FanOfYoshi 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? (T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)
Please just remove Mario's dang height....
There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?
If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019
Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but
Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this...
GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019
First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.
Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.
Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! --FanOfYoshi 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...
And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?
Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.
As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.
I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.
Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.
Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.
Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.pngpointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpgartworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...
I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by KrazyKaos42212 (talk).
You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
Re: Mario's Playschool
While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? --LordG.matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Flappy Bird
It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogogomario (talk).
He doesn't, that's from a fake video. MarioJC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)
Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)
Religion
I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!! The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).
Please provide a source for this claim. (T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Mario's hair
Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
split.
jumpman is not mario The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatYoshi (talk).
He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)
That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023
"Vulgar Tendencies"
Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [10]Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
Mario's latest appearance
It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was
Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020) The preceding unsigned comment was added by PROPLAYEN (talk).
Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. MarioJC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality
Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.
—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?
Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.
Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)
~ Goldyfish110
He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)
To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.
Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.
Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.
I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.
When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...
Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn'thaveaconsistentheight. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)
The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the twointerviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)
Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...
Hi, is it okay that I change this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
Into this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)
Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary
I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)
(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.
<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>
One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅
Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but
Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)
No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)
I think it should be fine to change it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)
That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)
I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but
I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)
I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadforallI want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)
New Apparence in a game
I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.
That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. MarioJC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)
Vulgar Nonsense
Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)
Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)
I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Is the Mario page still not well put together?
So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?
I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).
I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)
Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?
If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).
No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)
"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "
Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)
It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Support! -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)
All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Proper Catchphrase for Mario
I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Early sources for Mario's occupations
An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.
Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.
The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.
If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)
Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.
So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's Species
I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
New Image
Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)
Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good.
Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)
Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?
Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)
You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Role Section
I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)
I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?
Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
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Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)
Ah, sorry to bother you at such a late hour. D: I'm all right; high school's nice, almost the end of my freshman year. It's been fast, actually. :o Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Hope to talk to ya soon. By the way, do you or your bros have Skypes or Steam accounts? Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Mario Kart Wii Character Select Icons
Hey MC, do you mind if you could put all the currently uploaded icons of MKW and put them in Gallery:Mario Kart Wii?--UM3000
Hello, the subpage you have for userboxes is not allowed per the new userspace policy. You need to merge it to your main userpage. Thanks.--Knife (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2012 (EST)
Friend request
Hey there Master crash I am also a fellow christian and I was wondering if you woul like to be friends if so include your friend code and contact me at user:meeper thanks:)
so....
do you want to be friends? user:meeper
my forum account
A while ago (around the time I made my last contribution to my userpage) all my accounts logged out, including for the forum. I figured that asking a forum admin would be a good way to get my account back. My display name is "Allan" on the forums. My username is "The Cosmic Vin" (as long as I'm here, can you change that to Vinnie?) Vinnie
Friends
Hi, i'm User:SombreroGuy. Want to be friends? copy my user box , then i can copy yours!
Remember that when you create user sub-pages (like a talk archive), you have to add a link to them somewhere on your user or talk page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:59, 24 December 2007 (EST)
When you want to delete articles or merge them with others, provide reasons. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:03, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Just a friendly reminder
Before you process to merge an article with another one (Like you did with Ax), I think you should first discusss on the concerned article talkpage, not everyone might agree with you and it will avoid the sysops pointless deleting work that could have be easily avoid with a discussion. If another user disagree, but you still think your stance is valid, you can run a Proposal to see what the community point of view is.
Blitzwing
"Point of view" was only a way of speaking. If you make a proposal about the merge, users will vote on it. If at least 3 users support your proposal and that there is not an equal/superior number of users opposing it, the article will be merged after the proposal pass. If the opposite happen, well, the article won't be merged.
Blitzwing, understand?
Hello. Knife suited me better, right?Knife (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Impersonation
Thanks for impersonating me on Userpedia today! But CheckUser tells no lies. Wa TC@Y 15:52, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Dummmmmmy, you should've just left me alone when I added you to my enemy's list. Besides, you have a lot others, like I dared to tramp you -_-' User:Crypt raider/sig
Warning
This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (Flaming other users) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.
You ever heard of making a new e-mail account -_-' GrodenETCEl
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Plus, I'm only 3 years younger -_- User:Crypt raider/sig And my bro's e-mail is sony_sgea_nintendo@yahoo.com you happy? He won't give a rat's hat about be flamed, because they're always in our spam folder.
You know, I wasn't being a coward, I don't want to be annoyed. And why do you vandilize random sites? It's not cool. And I have a userbox for you, on my userpage. I think you should add it to your userpage/ GrodenETCEl
I'm...I'm sorry I hated you so much. I didn't know you had autism. My brother has it. But I think it's a different kind. So I just wanted to apoligize. GrodenETCEl
That's what my bro has! GrodenETCEl is being st00pid right now
Can you please chill out? I don't hate you. HyperToad
you have asperger's syndrome?
cool! me too Bigger sid 11:20, 23 February 2008 (EST)
its true. you would enjot [14] because its an asperger's community.--RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 17:58, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
hi
hey isn't your user account InuYashaZero --User:Hemu/sig
Moved Talk Archives
I moved your talk archives because you were Dummmmmmy, and then now you're RapidRocker.
This user has been blocked for over four years... MasterR.O.B.
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"However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike."
And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob.
Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster
Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11)
Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
Quote
We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns
Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk)
Images
No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus
That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk)
Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. PaperJorge
I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns
Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk)
For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)
I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? PaperJorge
To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk)
I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns
It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk)
Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns
Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk)
You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST)
You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST)
Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk)
Vote for quote
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST)
“So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!”
I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~Luigihc
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
Quality of writing is low.
Grammar needs major work.
Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy.
We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2.
Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting.
Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named).
“You”s need to be removed.
Powers and abilities can be expanded.
Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed.
Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber
And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
SSBB Pics
Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine
I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
Mario and Wario, cousins?
When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? ShroobyThe Wario fan here wanna know.
-sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:(
Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Plumber?
Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Image
The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
quote change
The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? LuigfreakMai talk
Creator of Wario
As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT)
Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Wario Waft
In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST)
Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood...
Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Quote to long
I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page...
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood...
New Wario image?
In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model.
Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST)
Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
Wario World Quote
In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab!
Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C)
partners in time (cameo)
in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center.
Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine.
while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario.
a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg
at 8:02
Introduction sentence
Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
Profiles and Statistics page
I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
The Super Mario Bros Super Show
I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ?
About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64
The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk)
I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter.
No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST)
The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor.
Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk -Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say.
Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'.
I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE
The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Primary image
Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs.
My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me!
I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
and now it's long!
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'Negative' Impact
I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall
it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
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Age
Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK
Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)
Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)
For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.
b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.
c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.
So, either B or C.
Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns
Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
- Yoshi Master
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. PaperJorge
I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13
May 2007 (EDT)
I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins...
User:Remiel
If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK
In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Mario is about 27.
Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)
At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK
I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)
I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!
They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins.
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.
I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)
SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
Images
If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). PaperJorge
Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398
Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine
Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398
If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) XzelionETC
Super Mario 64 DS
May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns
Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7
Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwjakesteel (talk).
Spring Cleaning!
THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10
It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns
I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
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Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote.
Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.
Relationships
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
Klaus Kratchet
In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.
Vote for the Main Quote
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change to option 1 3-1-1
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing
Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game
SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.
Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.
Option 2
Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Option 3
I think this option should be because:
1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario
and
2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud
vote for the Main quote
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
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Super Mario Galaxy
Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))
There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)
Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))
"Paper" Luigi...
Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.
Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!E
Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNGPrincess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)
Luigi's Final Smash
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc
Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article. The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
Where does he get that smash from anyway? The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
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Early artwork
Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)
The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi
That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi
It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)
You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi
A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Out of Order Pictures
I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]
Melee
how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911
I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Pizza!
From Wikipedia:
"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".
I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Luigi Mario?
OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOCPARTIER.
Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOCPARTIER.
Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros..
Interactions with other characters
I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK
But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK
The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus(T • C • E)
King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
?
why is he in the police catagory? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"
Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.
And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.
How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk)
Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)
That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace(T|C)
Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!
Meaning
I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)
Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace(T|C)
Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Luigi in Brawl
I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)
The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)
Weegee
I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
-_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK~GameFreak~OUT!
I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
information actually about Luigi
In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Different in SMB3?
The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
2 Sections
How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. HappyHalloween!
There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)
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merge 6-1
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.
Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Support
Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.
I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk)
I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk)
Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Parent category
Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996(Talk)
In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk)
Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Quote
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}
Perhaps [15] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
Plus, it would go with Mario's well. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
Split a SMG Luigi into a new article
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split neither 0-5-14
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.
Proposer: 1337star (talk) Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.
Split the playable Luigi
Split the NPC Luigi
Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)
No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996(Talk)
I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)
1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)
"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"
Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.
Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)
An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace(T|C)
People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Luigi's Mansion
Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
New picture for info box
I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me!
I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.
In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.
With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...
--108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus
Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk).
Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi
Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time?
Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943)
and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Link to this? Ray Trace(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
First appearance
Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends
Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me!
Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)
"I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote
It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Hello
Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Paper Mario
At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
Luigi's Death Stare
I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58
First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Problem
There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)
I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario!Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.
Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)
lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)
What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.
@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)
I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk)
Mario + Rabbids not on here
Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig
Mario and Luigi
On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.
Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. --LordG.matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Only Appearance
The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)
Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig
It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk)
It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)
You see, the images that are on main page aren't supposed to be fully protected. Anyway, I've replaced this image to this one, so I though that you'll delete the old one and semi-protect the new one. SWFlash
My apologies, it was a mistake, I usually protect them to block out non-autoconfirmed users, but for some reason beyond me, I effed up and protected it to be admin only. @_@ XzelionETC
Friends
I never asked. Do you want to be friends? =P Supremo 10:34, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
I'm interested in this and don't really want to see it go to waste. If you don't mind, would you give me some more information on it before I look into signing up? - Turboo(Talk)
Well, my original plan was for the Wiki to be able to play this game together, as odd as that sounds. If you have ever been around the Wiki (I'm sure you have), then you know how it is with users making edits everywhere. I wanted it to act as an improvement drive for said game, sadly however, it hasn't drawn much attention and I, due to my hectic life haven't been able to give it the time and leadership it needs. I'd appreciate your sign-up, but I've asked SMB to put it on hold till I'm able to help out like I should be. XzelionETC
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Userpedia
I'm interested in joining. I can't create one, so can you please make an account for me? (With same username for that account and the forum's) Thanks. MarioJC
Thanks, I appreciate it. :) By the way, when I said the "forum's" above, I meant I have the same name in the MarioWiki forum, not for a Userpedia forum account. Sorry. Wait, there's a Userpedia forum? MarioJC
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Sure, just let me know what username you want, and I need to know if you have a forum account so I can pm you the password. XzelionETC
I want my username to be "DKPetey99" and I have a forum account on this wiki. My name is "DKPetey99". DKPetey99TCE 08:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Username:GEX and I don't have a forum account:(.maybe later.yes...
R3D347H wuz here
Can you PM it to me now? DKPetey99TCE 17:38, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Userpedia
I made my page and thanks a lot for creating an account. I also want to sign up for the userpedia mario kart game. Can you make me artwork for that by using this and this, but without the King Boo? Please?!!!??? DKPetey99TCE 19:40, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
I made an oops.
I accidentally created pages Template:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig and DemeGeek/Sig/Sig while trying to edit User:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig... Can you please delete them?
Hello! I wanted to create an account on Userpedia, but it seems I needed to consult an administrator, and I was told that you might be able to help me. So please if it's possible, can you help me get an account on Userpedia? If so then thank you very much!
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
I almost forgot, if you needed my Forum name it's "Ryex617" sorry about that....
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Userpedia again
Can you make me an acount on Userpedia? Yoshidude99
Hey um Kaptain K. Rool wants to have a Userpedia account. Can u please do that? He wants his username to be Kaptain K. Rool and he has a Forums account.[16]YoshiGo99
question?
My proposal on splitting the Giant Banana article hits its 4 week deadline today and it's not looking like either side will reach a 3 vote margin so when i archive it should i just archive it as failed or should a mention that it reached its deadline and that's why it failed Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
RE: Dude
Not a whole lot man, to be honest I didn't know you still edited yourself. :P YELLOWYOSHI398
mind if i could have a userpedia account as i cant create one and i know you can make one as your a admin of userpedia heres a username
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Can you make me an account for UserPedia? Please? 'Cause, YoshiDude99 was gonna ask you...
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Another person you probably don't know asking for a Userpedia account
I have a forum account already, name there is Dr. Javelin with a period instead of my wiki account which has none. I'd like the same name as this account. Dr Javelin (talk)
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This is RIDICULOUS. I have been getting Warnings of every kind left and right today. All I did was give Raven Effect a proper Waning for being immature and rude. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
Whoa. Deja Vu.
I just KNEW you would say what you just said about sarcasm! But seriously, why are you not banned? You are rude and a troll with a rank. You call users morons, you flame, you ruin the wiki. From what I've seen, you were better as GG. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
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Can you create an account for me there? My forum name is "Mario and Luigi". Mario & Luigi
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in hopes of an account, --robokoopa(Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
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Big Bubble
Where do they appear in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix? I watched a video of that Ghost House and didn't see one. Screenshot, please? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
I'm surprised that you've got 37 archives, even more than Porplemontage, who has only 13 archives! Seriously, do you hold the "Number of Pages Archived MarioWiki Record"?! Mari0fan100 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
Curious Question
Out of Curiosity, What did the redirect, Super Mario Bros. 5, redirect to. You deleted it. So I'm curious to know. --Partier (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
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Metal Mario (character)
Can you change all instances of [[Metal Mario (character)|Metal Mario]] to just [[Metal Mario]]? Thanks in advance. - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
Identifiers
Hey I saw you were able to make it so infoboxes displayed the identifier-less title for pages with identifiers, without the need for the |title= parameter. How did you manage to do that exactly? (and does this mean we can get rid of |title= entirely?) Somethingone (talk) 06:38, April 25, 2022 (EDT)
I did this by deploying {{PAGETITLE}} as a drop-in replacement for {{PAGENAME}}. There's no need to get rid of the title parameter, as there are stillsomecases where it's needed, but those instances are now much rarer. --Steve (talk) 09:07, April 25, 2022 (EDT)
Regarding the Mario Kart console abbreviation title thing
Okay, so I finally have a grasp on how I should argue for doing away with console abbreviations on titles of Mario Kart courses.
Take a look at this op-ed analysis by Ahemtoday (talk), where they argue, in summary, that the current titles for the variations of Mario Kart Tour courses returning in the Booster Course Pass are too confusing to use as article titles because a potential reader wouldn't guess that the article at, say, the Tokyo Blur title is actually one of four Mario Kart Tour variations, and that the article at the Tour Tokyo Blur title is for the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe variation.
I now realize that another good example comes to mind: the Donut Plains race courses from Super Mario Kart. Currently they're located at "SNES Donut Plains [number]", which is technically correct. However, there are also the articles located at "Donut Plains [number]" for the names of specific levels in Super Mario World. Since Super Mario World and Super Mario Kart are both SNES games, the "SNES" part could refer to either set of subjects, meaning they should receive proper disambiguation instead of forcing new readers to potentially do a double-take.
Thoughts worth considering perhaps. (T|C) 00:08, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
The {{about}} template solves both of these problems. If the user ends up in the wrong place, then the about template is the tool we use to guide them, and whether they're clicking on "Tokyo Blur (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)" or "Tour Tokyo Blur", "Donut Plains 1 (race course)" or "SNES Donut Plains 1", it isn't going to make a huge difference to them. But for our purposes, we certainly prefer to use the more-official name that appears in-game and in marketing materials than a wikified identifier name. It's really quite alright if the user has to read the about template or the first sentence of the article to figure out what's going on, that is valid and it's why we have the about template in the first place. --Steve (talk) 01:58, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
Considering my own post is what (re)started this conversation in the first place, I feel a bit obligated to weigh in - although I only really have a firm stance on the MK8 Tour tracks and not Archivist Toadette's larger point. The reason I think this situation may warrant a deviation from convention is that this is the first time this prefix is being used to distinguish an article about a course's reappearance from its original appearance. While they are officially listed as Tour Tokyo Blur and Tour Paris Promenade, it's not in a context where it's used to set the course apart from its original. If anything, these course prefixes serve to highlight and describe the original. My point is: these two articles are using this naming scheme to disambiguate in a way it wasn't designed to, and in a way that it isn't used officially. I don't believe the result of this is ideal for the end user. Ahemtoday (talk) 03:50, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
Internal name template
Hey, is there a way to make the internal name template automatically apply <tt></tt> to the file parameter, like how it automatically italicizes the Japanese romanizations in the foreign name template? Somethingone (talk) 15:19, May 17, 2022 (EDT)
It's best not to, since if you need to include a reference, or some context such as parenthesis after the filename, that would get included in the <tt> as well. --Steve (talk) 15:26, May 17, 2022 (EDT)
Question about image thumbnails
Do you know why thumbnails of JPG images look blurry, even when the image viewed at full size is not? Take my sandbox for example. The image on the bottom is just the image on the top converted to PNG, so it's not actually any different in quality than the JPG, yet the JPG (top) looks blurrier than the PNG (bottom) when thumbnailed. I don't know how it looks from your computer, but here's how it looks from mine (the difference is easier to notice when zoomed in, though it's there regardless) so you know what I'm talking about. 18:03, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
PNG tries to save every detail when generating thumbs, while JPG is heavily compressed and details are lost. That's also why there's a significant difference in the thumb file sizes. --Steve (talk) 18:46, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
The second archive of Electrical Bowser jr. user talk
Hello Porplemontage. First off, I wanted to say thank you for merging my account into Electrical Bowser jr.. I would like to ask if you could restore my second page of user talk as Electrical Bowser jr., from later 2012 to 2013, as Archive 2.
Thank you again, since you did this.
Electrical Bowser jr., 22:28, June 7, 2022 (EST)
My pleasure. --Steve (talk) 22:40, June 7, 2022 (EDT)
Last request related to Electrical Bowser jr.
Hi Porplemontage, I greatly appreciate your work to merge my account back to Electrical Bowser jr.. The last thing was wondering was if you could merge my old 2012-2014 userpage history as Electrical Bowser jr. in to my account now, and if not, if you could create a separate page as an archive or something else for my userpage history almost a decade ago.
Have a good night and thanks for reading and your work,
Electrical Bowser jr., 22:13, June 8, 2022 (EST)
Odd rewrite-expand templates
On pages such as the Kamek and Invincible Mario pages, the tag dates now appear as the reasons. Do you know why this is happening? WildWario (talk) 03:34, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
He made some modifications to the tag’s template. Now you can add a reason in the first parameter (without the need of a “reason” variable) while the date parameter comes second. This caused the data in some tags to swap around. -- KOOPACONCARNE 08:07, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. I noticed that we have 247 cases of ==Name in other languages==, which would normally be ==Names in other languages==. Would it be a good idea to replace them with a bot? --Dine2017 (talk) 10:42, July 26, 2022 (EDT)
Order of interwiki links
Hi. Is there any way to list the sidebar interwiki links in a consistent order, regardless of their position in the source? The current ordering is a bit inconsistent (compare SNES Battle Course 1 and SNES Battle Course 4). -Dine2017 (talk) 03:51, July 31, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Would you mind changing Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! to Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! in the mainspace and File namespace?
I believe there is no false positive in the File namespace and the only one in the mainspace is the interwiki link [[it:Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]] of the subject itself. --Dine2017 (talk) 10:36, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Replacing instances of "NS" with "Switch"
do it for "Category:Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (NS) images" too pls :) -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:49, August 23, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Would you mind changing ==Reference== to ==References==? I believe there are currently 152 instances of the former. --Dine2017 (talk) 09:50, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
Text replacement
Hi. Could you change
[[List of games# followed by four digits
to
[[List of games by date# followed by the same digits
These changes target things like this:
|first_appearance=''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' ([[List of games#1996|1996]])
|latest_appearance=''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'' ([[List of games#2017|2017]])
Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of {{button|ns| to {{button|switch|? Thanks! (T|C) 08:23, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
I ran this when I updated the template. Where are you seeing the old syntax? EDIT: Found some that were missed and fixed them. --Steve (talk) 08:44, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
Hi. Regarding your recent use of the bot to propagate the {{hover}} template, there are still a few cases which can be covered.
By the way, SMW:JP#General rules is still instructing editors to use the old syntax -- does that need to be updated too? --Dine2017 (talk) 09:23, September 16, 2022 (EDT)
Finished the proposal railing against Mario Kart console abbreviation titles
You can view it here. (T|C) 15:44, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Where's the proposed solution? I can image you'd want to move Wii Maple Treeway to Maple Treeway, but what about something like SNES Rainbow Road? Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart) doesn't work since it appears in multiple games in addition to Super Mario Kart; perhaps Rainbow Road (SNES)?
I suppose that could be two separate options. "Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)" might actually work in theory (contrary to your claim) since it originates from Super Mario Kart and would be differentiated from other courses in the same series; as an example, we already have Warp Space (Mario Party 4) differentiated from Warp Space (Mario Party 10) despite the former space also appearing in Mario Party: Island Tour. (T|C) 15:58, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Oh yeah I talked about that in my last comment here. I will move those away from game identifiers since the appear in multiple games. --Steve (talk) 16:04, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
To briefly delve into that other topic though, what other possible identifier could be used for the two Warp Spaces? They have distinguishing functions so specific (to another player's space vs. to another Warp Space) that I don't think type identifiers would work in that case. (T|C) 16:08, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
"Category:Kinder Chocolate images" & "Category:Artwork by Masanori Sato"
Can you please move these to "Category:Kinder images" and "Category:Masanori Sato images"? "Kinder Chocolate" is the name of a particular line of products under the Kinder brand, not the brand itself, and the current wiki coverage of Kinder doesn't concern it. The other category is named so because, I think, at the time I created it, I wasn't aware the titles of the other "Images by artist" categories had been recast; I apologise for that. -- KOOPACONCARNE 09:37, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
Chuckster
Forgive me if this is off the beaten path, but is it true you once said "chuckster" should be split from Pianta? Just want to make sure the latter comment of this proposal stands. Nightwicked Bowser 06:15, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
Yes that's true, and that piece of porplemontage lore can be found here. In general I'm pro-split (I'd rather have many smaller articles with some breathing room than big articles where you have to hunt down the information), and especially so when a subject has a distinct name or term for it. Here's our average Google position for the query "chuckster" (1 is best). After being brutally owned by FANDOM for years (since their article came first), we've actually been creeping up the past few months and could be on the cusp of something great. A merge to Pianta would be a surrender in this fight since having an article with the matching title is what allows it to be close in the first place. I encourage everyone to be mindful of how discrete articles help search engine discoverability before voting to merge any article, not just chuckster. --Steve (talk) 11:17, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
As of now I'm not firm on one option or the other in that proposal (inclined towards keeping chucksters split), but I really don't think search rankings make a particularly strong argument in the face of an encyclopedia's bid for veracity. I really don't mean to offend, but given your position as site proprietor I'm assuming ulterior motives with this proposition. -- KOOPACONCARNE 11:45, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
I guess the reason I provide this info is for some broader context. The wiki doesn't exist in a vacuum. The real-world truth is that people find our articles through Google, and I thought our editors liked having their work found and read, liked outperforming FANDOM, etc. If these things aren't of significant importance or persuasive to you then so be it. --Steve (talk) 12:31, October 9, 2022 (EDT)
Hey can you remove the part on this policy that says "This policy does not apply to list or table pages such as Places and Trophy Descriptions (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), just actual articles."? my proposal to remove that text passed but I can't edit the page. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:05, November 7, 2022 (EST)
Thanks so much. Don't know why that outdated exception existed in the first place, but I'm glad it's gone! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:13, November 7, 2022 (EST)
Furigana
A while ago, you had <span class="explain"title="[H]">[K]</span> replaced with {{hover|[K]|[H]}} which I thought was more accessible. However, I wasn't aware that the wiki was capable of displaying furigana properly until I noticed it here, where it seems to look like <rb>K</rb><rt>H</rt>. Would you be able to script something conveniently similar to hover but explicitly meant for showing furigana? Also, on a semi-related note, do you have any thoughts on this? LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:06, November 30, 2022 (EST)
So now we have {{hover|[K]|[H]}} ([K]) and {{ruby|[K]|[H]}} ([K]). Should be easy enough to switch between them. I don't have a preference for which is used or any thoughts on the diff you've linked since I'm out of my depth when it comes to Japanese :) --Steve (talk) 10:49, November 30, 2022 (EST)
Fix the Rename template
Will you please do me a favor and replace {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]]) with {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]])}} on the {{move}} template? GuntherBayBeee
Ruby
Minor issue but is there any way to code Template:Ruby so that when you highlight it the hirigana doesn't get highlighted along with the kanji, like how it happened with Template:Hover? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 18:12, January 7, 2023 (EST)
Yeah I don't think that worked, I can still highlight the hirigana when the ruby template is used. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 08:40, January 8, 2023 (EST)
I added the special Safari CSS for it, but it doesn't seem to actually work, so that one's on Apple --Steve (talk) 09:10, January 8, 2023 (EST)
I made this template to check whether a given value matches a character's name when called in Template:WWGIT fit (the "parent" template) and decide whether to create a piped link based on that. However, it appears that, whenever the parent template locates a true #ifeq expression from "WWGIT fit pipe", it splices the second entered string and the truth value to create the link instead of using just the truth value, e.g. for "Young Cricket", the link becomes "Young CricketYoung Cricket & Master Mantis" instead of Young Cricket & Master Mantis. Do you know what causes this? -- KOOPACONCARNE 10:27, January 20, 2023 (EST)
If there's a proposal that's past the deadline date, you can archive it yourself. Nightwicked Bowser 12:20, February 3, 2023 (EST)
Your thoughts on Visual Editor
Just for the record, is it possible to make a Visual Editor for this wiki, and do you think it is or isn't a good idea? Just asking because of the situation that was brought up in this currently active proposal regarding the topic. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 13:12, February 25, 2023 (EST)
It's not currently technically feasible. I've done testing with it on the wiki, and trying to visual-edit large articles like Mario caused server CPU usage to spike and the visual editor eventually hit a 30-second timeout. Not good for server stability. However, I'm planning on migrating the site to an upgraded server early next year. I think there's a good chance it will be doable on the new hardware, but I have to test it first.
In terms of want/desire for it, I'm not really a huge fan, but if it runs well on the new server and the community wants it, then I think we can make it work. One aspect of it is TemplateData, which makes templates user-friendly to visual editor users. If we do decide to install the visual editor, then we should take it seriously and plan on adding TemplateData to as many of our templates as we can. This is a project I'd like the proposer and community to keep in mind when voting and help with if it were to pass.
So I guess the order has to be this: 1) Wait until the new server in 2024. 2) I'll test the visual editor and see if performance is acceptable. 3) If it's doable, community proposal and discussion on the matter can proceed. --Steve (talk) 15:34, February 25, 2023 (EST)
Visual Editor proposal
Commenters at the Visual Editor proposal made a good point that I should have asked you first if this proposal is acceptable or not. If not, I'm ready to cancel it. Spectrogram (talk) 07:41, February 26, 2023 (EST)
Yes, based on the above section it will have to be canceled now, with the possibility of revisiting next year. --Steve (talk) 10:57, February 26, 2023 (EST)
Question
Hi there, This user threatened to report me if I undo their edits. It stemmed from a misunderstanding over at the Mario Mover Gallery. It truly was not my intention to cause any trouble, I'm just doing my best to clarify the context of the art. I have also messaged a couple of pratrollers about it, but have not heard anything back. I don't want to come across as spamming this message, I just wanted to get the word out and I don't want to cause anymore trouble. Thank you and hope everything can be sorted out!
Hello Porplemontage, Happy Mario Day! I want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 10, 2023 (EST)
Mario Day ended, but I still want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 11, 2023 (EST)
CSS table width
Hi. This edit forced tables to appear 1px narrower than their natural width. It seems that this hack was added to fix something, but unfortunately it caused another problem:
{| class=wikitable
! Test 1
| The quick brown fox
|}
normally displays as
+--------+---------------------+
| Test 1 | The quick brown fox |
+--------+---------------------+
Now it displays as something like
+------+----------------------+
| Test | The quick brown |
| 1 | fox |
+------+----------------------+
To see the effect on real articles, see Three Beautiful Sisters#Felissa T. At least on my computer (Chrome on Windows 10) the "ー[1]" of "チェリー[1]" is moved one line down, even though the page is wide enough to set the name horizontally. Is there any way to avoid this? --Dine2017 (talk) 23:04, March 31, 2023 (EDT)
SmashWiki seems to have problems with internet trolls using ip addresses to repeatedly ban evade and vandalize.
Given that many Discord servers require a phone number before you can post in them, how would it be easy to require each account and IP address here to submit sensitive personal info such as bank card numbers, drivers license or government issued ID or phone numbers in order to edit?
MarioWiki itself wouldn’t use the data for any reason outside of logging it in a database to auto detect bans. Would it be difficult to verify info such as if bank numbers is real or something or would it result in hackers who hack into MarioWiki itself gaining access to your data?
This would also ensure that if an user is banned here, then tries to edit using an IP address, the info they provide would automatically flag and ban them instead of us having to do the annoying process of detecting if they are the same user.
There are many things that can be done to lock-down a wiki, but generally a conscious decision is made to keep things open and revert vandalism rather than have a restrictive system. --Steve (talk) 10:52, April 19, 2023 (EDT)
MarioWiki Namespace Shortcuts
Why exactly were all the "MW:[TEXT]" redirects removed? I see the bot moved all instances of them to a "SMW:[TEXT]" title, but that also doesn't show up in the search results. Never mind, they still exist. They just don't pop up in the search bar unless you type the full thing anymore.S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 16:50, April 19, 2023 (EDT)
Text replacement
Can you change all instances of [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario & Yoshi's Adventure Land images]] to [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land images]]? There are 51 images under the old category. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:43, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
Age template
I had an idea to update the template, also I updated on Wikipedia a bit. I believe there are more users that born in 1999 than 1989 on this wiki. Which is better, 1972 at time of 1986, or 1999 at time of 2013? Whether the status quo is better? Windy (talk) 18:06, April 26, 2023 (EDT)
Since it's just an example, it doesn't really matter what years are used, so it's fine to leave as-is. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
pls halp
How do I change the colour of image frames in my monobook? -- KOOPACONCARNE 22:27, May 7, 2023 (EDT)
Edit: And is it possible to change the colour of the navigation/tool boxes on the left side of the web page? -- KOOPACONCARNE 22:33, May 7, 2023 (EDT)
I suggest you familiarize yourself with your browser's "inspect element" (Ctrl+Shift+C) to see what selector MediaWiki uses for styling a given element.
And in case you didn't know, "Show preview" can be used on your CSS page to test changes to elements visible on that page. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
And I suggest you drop the condescending attitude. I know about the preview function on that page, the problem is that there are many elements that cannot be previewed in there, and no "Preview X page" exists on my end to aid me with that (templates have it, on the other hand). The only conducive thing I could do was repeatedly save my changes. I'm also using inspect element on the regular when I extract certain web content for documentation, it just didn't occur to me I could do so here too... -- KOOPACONCARNE 08:59, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not trying to have any attitude; sorry if it came off that way. --Steve (talk) 09:03, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
My reaction was overblown. I construed the previewing function as obvious enough not to merit an explanation, hence why I thought you were being facetious with that piece of advice, but I've come to accept that you were genuinely trying to help. I was an asshat. Please accept my sincere apologies. -- KOOPACONCARNE 10:17, May 8, 2023 (EDT)
[[Ashley & Red|Red]] into [[Red (WarioWare series)|Red]]
As of this moment, 283 pages still link to Ashley & Red and the above changes should take care of most of them. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, May 15, 2023 (EDT)
Help
Some of users seem that dissatisfied with editing the year from the age template from SmashWiki. A conflict of opinion has occured. Please help. Also, please unprotect the age template from this wiki. ADD: The template is too outdated and I updated it. (In Wikipedia, it was written in 2006, but this is so obsolete that it needs an update in our wiki. Here) Windy (talk) 07:4409:33, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
A decision has been made. Let's set as August 12, 2005, Mariowiki's found date, as an example of an Age template. And the second date is 35th anniversary of Super Mario Bros. date, September 13, 2020. Example: {{age|August 12, 2005|September 13, 2020}} Windy (talk) 10:36, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
On this wiki, the template will remain protected and any changes to the example will be the staff's decision to make. Please do not suggest any more changes to it. On SmashWiki, you should listen to the admins. --Steve (talk) 12:55, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
Thank you for change to more important date on Mariowiki! I'll look for a suitable answer on Smashwiki. Windy (talk) 13:14, May 24, 2023 (EDT)
After block expired on Smashwiki, I didn't checked the messages from Discord (before joining), and I said nonsense on talk page and I was blocked with unpleasant remarks. My weird obsession with that template must be gone off. Can I ask you one thing; can you update and protect the template from Smashwiki? I couldn't sleep properly. I'll listen to what the admin says. Thank you. Windy (talk) 10:50, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
I will leave that to the SmashWiki admins to decide. Let's try to keep this talk page focused on the Super Mario Wiki; any SmashWiki matters should stay on SmashWiki. Thanks! --Steve (talk) 12:46, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
I'll focus on this wiki and not to deviate from it. However, I can't say anything because I'm afraid that I'll be cussed by admins, please quietly improve any templates across multiple wikis. Thanks for discussion. Windy (talk) 13:10, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
Proposal on allowing fanon content
Last year on June 18, the Drawn to Life Wiki allowed fanon content on that wiki under the Fanon namespace. This time, I want to make a proposal on allowing fanon content on the Super Mario Wiki. You will be able to either create the "Fanon:Home" namespace if you want to or know how to create custom namespaces or create "MarioWiki:Fanon" if you cannot create any new namespaces. Lastly, the Content category will receive a subcategory known as Category:Fanon, which consists of the subcategories Category:Original characters, Category:Theories, Category:Alternate universes, Category:Fanfiction, and, via the {{fanon-image}} template, Category:Fanon images. For example, fanon pages respectively about moves, galleries, events, game mechanics, diseases, bestiaries, histories, pre-release and unused content, staff, consoles, and implied elements each belong to the "Theories" category, fanon pages respectively about characters, allies, and bosses belong to the "Original characters" category, fanon pages about third-party elements belong to the "Alternate universe" category, and fanon pages about fan history and fan-made media belong to the "Fanfiction" category. May I please make the proposal on allowing fanon content on the wiki? GuntherBayBeee 15:30, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
Unfortunately that would be a potentially big scope expansion into a content area that I'm just not looking to get the wiki involved with, so I'm sorry to say I would veto that proposal. I would encourage the Pikipedia/Pikmin Fanon model and go for a separate wiki. Check out the NIWA Discord server or maybe a site like Miraheze to get started. --Steve (talk) 16:10, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
Democracy
I checked who the proprietor is and I found it is you. My proposal got closed because they say it's your decision, and I'm beginning to worry that democracy here is under threat. As a consequence, please let me make a proposal where consensus will decide if you should add cat photos to your userpage. CoolNintendo (talk) 10:42, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Oh sorry i read rule 17, never mind i can respect that CoolNintendo (talk) 10:49, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Hidden orphaned pages
Hello! As of now, Special:LonelyPages is empty. However, there is a slight problem with that. It appears it considers any page "not orphaned" that is linked to from other namespaces outside of (Main) or Gallery: (File:, User:, Talk:, etc). The pages that are actually orphaned, that are only linked to from file descriptions or talk page discussions, simply don't show up. Would it be possible for you to change that? Thanks in advance, Spectrogram (talk) 14:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
I might be able to do this, not sure, but if I am then I'll implement it. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Unusual bot request
Hello, I made a couple mistakes in the documentation while mass-uploading some .gifs. Can we have
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-3-2, frame delay 13)
changed to
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2, frame delay 13)
and
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-(4*6), frame delay 13)
changed to
|4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-4-(5*6), frame delay 13)
While on that subject, is there any way to make the "upload by URL" not automatically populate (and irreversibly overwrite) the filename bar? Because when uploading via discord link (which I do frequently), all that does is add two extra steps to an already tedious process where I have to move it to the file description section to avoid it being lost. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Unfortunately that's very much a built-in MediaWiki thing, but I did have an idea for you. You could temporarily disable your browser's JavaScript next time you have a batch of uploads to prevent the autofill from happening. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
Template question
Hello,
Let's say I have a template with three parameters, designated A, B, and C. When I give them values, the template produces the following:
This is a two-column list
A
B
C
Now, if I give B and C values but I don't give parameter A any value, I want the values of B and C to move one space up the list, such that B supersedes A, and C moves to the left column, like so:
This is a two-column list
B
C
How do I program a template to do this? If I just nest "if" expressions in each parameter definition so that the next parameter is displayed in its place if it's not given any value, said next parameter is going to repeat on the following spot in the list anyway, like so:
This is a two-column list
B
B
C
And that's an utter programming n00b move. Is there a wiki function that recognises whether a parameter had already been filled on the same template, and does something based on that? -- KOOPACONCARNE 20:08, July 2, 2023 (EDT)
I don't know of a wiki function that would make this easy. Ideally you'd want to design the template in a more forgiving way, like this:
{| style="border:solid black"
|'''This is a two-column list'''
|-
|<div style="column-count:2"><!--
-->{{#if:{{{A|}}}|*{{{A}}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{B|}}}|*{{{B}}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{C|}}}|*{{{C}}}}}<!--
--></div>
|}
If this doesn't help, I think I could be more useful if I knew more about the template you're working on. --Steve (talk) 23:36, July 2, 2023 (EDT)
I wasn't aware of the "column-count" attribute; that actually solves my problem partially, thanks! Having created the template in question, two issues remain:
the template may split the text in one entry between two columns. Here, for instance, the German text is moved to the column on the right while its heading stays on the left.
if multiple parameters in a row aren't filled in, the result is a jarring empty space where the next item on the list should be. For instance, if the Kor and Por parameters (both immediately following the Ita parameter) are left out, you can notice an empty space between the Italian and Spanish entries:
Thank you! -- KOOPACONCARNE 12:34, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
A question regarding your server storage
As you're already aware, lately I've been updating various articles on Mario Kart Tour subjects with in-game blurbs. Because the game only provides these to the end user for a relatively brief period of time, not everyone has ready access to the game's files, and there aren't always video recordings of this information available online to cite, I've taken upon myself to take screenshots featuring these blurbs and upload them to the wiki to act as citations. My concern is that the number of screenshots I have uploaded and will continue to upload is... quite large, to say the least.
Each item has a blurb localised in 11 languages, meaning I have to upload 11 screenshots at once for a single item.
The game currently has 265 drivers, 336 karts, and 225 gliders, totalling 826. Not nearly as many items have been given blurbs, but let's assume all of them have. Each screenshot, when optimised with TinyPNG, ends up being an average of 160kb; times 11, that's 1.76mb of material uploaded for 1 item; times the number of items shown above, that's 1453.76mb worth of content in our scenario.
Considering the wiki has around 70GB of media files as of writing, would you be ok with a potential 1.5 gb more to the wiki's storage, or would you prefer I found another way to cite the information mentioned above? -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:46, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
That's no problem - we have enough storage for it! --Steve (talk) 16:43, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
Something...
Didn't Alex95 get demoted? Why is his name still green in the "Who's online" section of Recent Changes? --FanOfYoshi 11:18, July 31, 2023 (EDT)
Since this morning on mobile view, the text in sections wouldn't appear in a page until refreshing a few times, and also don't appear while previewing. Nightwicked Bowser 07:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
Hello. The wiki software was updated this morning. Does it work after clearing your browser cache? --Steve (talk) 08:22, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I cleared my browsing history and previewing still doesn't work. Nightwicked Bowser 08:48, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not able to reproduce any issues with preview. Can you send a screenshot of what it looks like broken? --Steve (talk) 09:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
Looks like it's been fixed now, thanks very much. Nightwicked Bowser 13:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
On another note, is it possible to run a bot changing "Darkmess Portal" to the lowercase "Darkmess portal"? The reason being because the lowercase "p" is used in-game in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. There are still lots of usage of the capital "P" around articles, including in links. Nightwicked Bowser 20:54, August 5, 2023 (EDT)
I don't know why so much of the display code was removed, but now the wiki pages look weird on my end. The infoboxes and galleries are all left-aligned, the navigation boxes and collapsed sections of infoboxes are only partially colored (only coloring the area around the text while the outline extends to the full part of the page), and the "compare differences" menu is completely vertical (which takes up more space than before). Was this intentional? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:24, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
It should go back to normal soon when your browser cache refreshes. --Steve (talk) 14:39, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
Yeah that worked, it looks normal now. Thanks for letting me know! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:49, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
Error code: Plessie
My userpage keeps signing me out when I save changes I've made to it. It keeps saying Error code: Plessie. What does that mean and how do I get it to stop happening?--Pizza Master 15:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
I've made my changes. If this happens again, What should I do? Wait until later to come back and make edits? Or should I contact you again?--Pizza Master 16:33, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
I was just asking for a request to the Porple Bot. We have now a guest article for Tetris 99, the bot should replace all mention of ''{{wp|Tetris 99}}'' with ''[[Tetris 99]]''PnnyCrygr 05:28, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
Div class (Halloween)
Hello, Porple. I would like to impliment a background for my userpage, specifically a halloween one (pumpkins, perhaps?). What would be the codes for this? --FanOfYoshi 09:29, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
Background images require CSS and that's not really supported here for user pages. I would suggest a solid color background and you can place Halloween graphics throughout the page.
IIRC, there were graphics from the Pumpkin Goombas from SMG, but that could just be my memory. Thanks for the help anyway! --FanOfYoshi 11:41, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
There are a few stragglers but the bot got the vast majority of article links. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Question about MIDI sampling
Is it allowed to use MIDI files converted to mp3 or oga? I'd like to fix a mistake/ommission on the SMW Overworld sample. --FanOfYoshi 13:39, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Sure, there's nothing wrong with converting media files to one of the wiki's supported formats. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
I guess this probably came about from Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but...I disagree with it being done this way. I know there's been public discussions on what to do with game filenames, and of thetwo proposals that got canceled, the latter was leaning in the direction of doing something about internal data with the development tier in the comments. Reclassifying game ("internal") data from development names to website ("external") filenames conflicts with at least two proposals: the encyclopedia one specifically outlines that Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia remains a lower priority than internal names, citing the Lumacomète example as a reason, and in the website proposal, no one was conflating game filenames with website filenames, and rather, there seemed to be general agreement of keeping them both distinguishable. Plus, therearecases where the unused data/string is not necessarily a filename or even "internal" per se. It's a weird technicality. As unrelated as possible: if there is a question we want to ask more privately, would the best way to do it be via forum DM? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:41, November 4, 2023 (EDT)
Sure you can DM me. I only did that change because the page mentioned website files but said nothing about game files. Given that we are creating articles based on game files, surely they should be mentioned somewhere in the policy and be a part of that hierarchy. I don't personally care where they fall; I can move the mention to number 5. --Steve (talk) 13:56, November 4, 2023 (EDT)
Tabber
There is discussion and proposals going on about extensive use of the tabber template. I am aware you said before that you didn't like it being used here. I was wondering if your thoughts on it are the same as then or if they have changed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:13, November 13, 2023 (EST)
I personally hate tabber and I think it's gimmicky. I'd rather just pick an image and cover the rest of the variations in the article body. Regardless of my feelings, I added it after the result of a democratic proposal (this isn't a dictatorship). Regarding the JavaScript point: I can have the tabber fail in one of two ways: (1) only show the first image, or (2) show all the images. #1 is good if the additional images can be considered supplemental and hiding them isn't going to conceal important stuff from the user (for example, if those images also appear elsewhere in the article). #2 can make the infobox look kinda silly, but I agree that it makes more sense to use it if the images don't appear anywhere else in the articles so we don't degrade what those users are seeing. Given that several articles have removed images from the article body and put them in the infobox, I switched the failure method to #2. --Steve (talk) 10:33, November 13, 2023 (EST)
Bowser's Muscle Car
I recently moved the Koopa Chase to its new official English name, would it be possible to use porplebot to replace the remaining links? — Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:36, November 16, 2023 (EST)
KannonBot
May the PorpleBot please change all instances of "[[kannon (cannon)|kannon]]" to "[[cannon|kannon]]" and "[[kannonball]]" to "[[cannonball|kannonball]]"? The pages were just merged. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:28, November 24, 2023 (EST)
And now "[[Gobblegut (Black)]]" to "[[Gobblegut|Gobblegut (Black)]]" and "[[Gobblegut (Black)|Gobblegut]]" to"[[Gobblegut]]". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:04, December 2, 2023
...and now "[[Mecha Bowser]]" to "[[Bowser Statue|Mecha Bowser]]" and </nowiki>"[[Mecha Bowser|</nowiki>" to "[[Bowser Statue|". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:32, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Hello, Porplemontage. Since we do not have any citation templates, I used a cite web template onto my sandbox called cite web. Although, since there is no category, I think we could have Citation templates as one. What do you suggest? Derekblue1(talk) 09:36, December 13, 2023 (EST)
Hey. Citation templates is certainly a good category name if we were to have at least a few of them (if it's just one it could probably be tossed in formatting templates), but that template would go against this proposal, so you'd need to do a new proposal to overturn that one before the template could be moved to the template namespace or used.
While I have you here: Note that the changes to MarioWiki:Article size were designed to make it less definitive and more discussion-based: 150 kB is simply when split consideration starts, but if it's decided to keep an article larger than that, that's allowed. That's not to say an article like Toad (species) couldn't be split into History of Toads just above 150K - Yoshi was actually split just under 150K months ago without complaint (so that's why the threshold was increased to 150K, since splitting at or around 100K didn't feel right to a lot of users while a 150K split was seemingly non-controversial, but in addition to the increase it's now meant to be an open discussion rather than a hard and fast rule). Thanks! --Steve (talk) 10:08, December 13, 2023 (EST)
Oh. Thank you for telling me about the failed proposal of citation templates. Let us see how the future proposal goes, but I will accept the fate if it does not come through.
For the article size question response, it took me a few hours to understand what you meant but I finally understand you are saying that splitting articles is meant to be an open discussion; that should show why Template:Split is there in the first place. I was excited to split pages straight away because they fit the 100kB threshold. That is when I ended up splitting up a few articles that have not been discussed in the first place until Mario reminded me on the wall that I stopped. Now I understand, for the Toad species, it is better to put a Split template and discuss user thoughts of splitting this. Derekblue1(talk) 19:23, December 13, 2023 (EST)
After reading the proposal, I can see where they got the MarioWiki:Citations, so I think it was resolved that they choose not to have a template but a policy. According to some people, the proposal looked forced to tell others to use the citation templates for "professionalism". I will cancel the cite web template idea. Derekblue1(talk) 22:45, December 13, 2023 (EST)
There's a proposal that is nine days old. Can you mark the proposal as passed? GuntherBayBeee 10:08, December 30, 2023 (EST)
For clarity's sake, I just archived it. As stated above, you can also archive proposals that have reached their deadline yourself. Power Flotzo (talk) 06:42, December 31, 2023 (EST)
Mass editing request
I would like to request that the string: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''|4=Optimized with TinyPNG
found across the file pages of hundreds of Mario Kart Tour screenshots (such as File:MKT Tour101 Spotlight Shop Flowery Badwagon.jpg) be replaced with: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''<br>Screenshot taken on Redmi Note 10 Pro|4=Cropped at photopea.com, then optimized with TinyPNG
The layout of the elements shown in these screenshots may adapt to the device's screen size, and I think it's best if the device is mentioned for verifiability and such. -- KOOPACONCARNE 17:53, January 18, 2024 (EST)
Thank -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:20, January 18, 2024 (EST)
Request
Thanks for helping me, however, can I please have my original username WaluigiMan10000 back with my current password? User:WarioDude
Navtemplate colors
Hi, should the navtemplate for Princess Peach: Showtime! use the same color scheme as the one for Super Princess Peach? I just ask because it's not yet brought up at MarioWiki:Navigation templates and it would make the most sense since both are the only games where Peach is treated as the primary protagonist. (T|C) 17:23, February 23, 2024 (EST)
Yes, sounds good. I've renamed the class from spp to peach to generalize it for more uses. --Steve (talk) 17:47, February 23, 2024 (EST)
The effect of the extraneous <i> is to make the whole page italic and extremely narrow. --Dine2017 (talk) 06:17, March 17, 2024 (EDT)
It seems fine on Wikipedia, so the fix should eventually make its way downstream to us. In the meantime, those tags should be closed anyway. --Steve (talk) 11:27, March 17, 2024 (EDT)
Fandom interwiki link
Can you please change the URL that the [[wikia:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link generates from https://community.fandom.com/wiki/c:<wiki> to https://<wiki>.fandom.com? Thanks! GuntherBayBeee 13:45, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
That is not possible due to how Special:Interwiki works. Luckily we can use {{fandom}} instead. --Steve (talk) 14:06, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
So are you going to remove the [[w:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link if the proposal here gets declined, since Fandom's interwiki link had problems in the past? GuntherBayBeee 12:28, March 22, 2024 (EDT)
No, I don't plan on it. While I would encourage articles to use {{fandom}}, the wikia interwiki is a pretty standard one to have and it's fine to have for backwards-compatibility, use in the userspace, etc. --Steve (talk) 13:37, March 22, 2024 (EDT)
Thanks for doing most of these, but it seems the first one (unlinked "Booster Course Pass", without "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe –" before it) still hasn't been changed. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:58, April 29, 2024 (EDT)
Ruby template
Hi, just letting you know of a certain comment (permalink) left on my talk page just now. To summarize, the {{ruby}} template apparently displays text too small for it to be readable on Chrome, and DandelionSprout suggested that the text size on the template be changed to 67% of the standard font size. (T|C) 20:05, April 16, 2024 (EDT)
More specifically, to change it from MediaWiki's ruby standard of "font-size: 50px", to 67%. DandelionSprout (talk) 20:13, April 16, 2024 (EDT)
Potential mass-conversion of YouTube links from HTTP→HTTPS with bot(s)
From a sample of a mere 27 games (the ones in Category:Wii U games), 21 (± 1) YouTube links in the articles were still written within the articles as http://. If the statistic holds true for the 28,610 pages that are listed on the front page, this would result in Mario Wiki as a whole needing to convert a low-to-medium four-digit amount of links. Manually converting each link on each page would not be realistically possible, unfortunately.
I've built up some RegEx skills over the years, and if PorpleBot uses the syntax I've seen used for wiki bots, i.e. "$1" instead of "\1", I propose adding ([\=]|//|\s{1,})http://(www\.|m\.)?youtube\.com/ → $1https://www.youtube.com/ to the bot.
Starting with YouTube links would in theory an easy starting point, as its video IDs have remained unchanged for each video for almost two decades, whereas sites like IGN and Gamespot are much more prone to having old links to them end up on 404 pages. YouTube also has full 100.0% support for HTTPS on all of its pages, while many gaming sites and Nintendo official sites have it depend on their sites' sections. DandelionSprout (talk) 02:46, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
I did something which will automatically update the YouTube links, and many more, to HTTPS without needing to edit anything. --Steve (talk) 10:23, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Undeletion/un-delete template request
Recently, a user went on a frenzy marking Smash redirects and miscellaneous pages for deletion due to misinterpreting a proposal (as clarified by the original proposer, they just wanted categories removed), and one of the sysops deleted several of them. Can a bot remove those templates and someone undelete (and restore the history of) the erroneously deleted redirects? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:31, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
Do yay want some? I can try, but I can't promise I could make you some. I'll leave a message if I successfuly do if you want me to. The thing is you see that Waluigi on the Welcome Banner of my talk/user page? That, I edited from ONE pose to make like 22! One includes that. So, I can try, but again, I can't promise anything.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some NSMB sprites if I can?
EDT2: I might, or maybe I could do how I made a Mini Mario, paste textures on your sprite. Trust me, it'll be fine, and if I do do it, I'll send it on your Talk Page in Userpedia, so be aware. Oh! And good luck starting NSMB srpites. Practice makes perfect! [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some tea?
I'm working on some! So, in in about 2 hours or so, go to Userpedia where you will get NSMB sprites. Typically, it's sidescrolling. And, since I will be in yours, may you PLZ be in my comic? Sign in at Userpedia plz (Comics:Minimariolover10's Mis-Adventures). [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some comics?
EDT3: Wait..Id din't get it. You don't want to be i my comic? Oke dokey. And I'm almost done with a sample of your NSMB sprite, if you want to see it. Just need to finish your dice and add more texture to your skin. Do you also want Twink in the sprites?
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
EDT6: I'm going to be a pain and so no. I'm gonna have to post it on Userpedia. Looka t your Talk Page, not reply plz.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some talk pages?
OK, I made a sample of the NSMB you. Tell me if you think it's NSMB styled or not *hueh*.
EDT7: But it would be considered pillowed since it's NSMB styled. And, I plan to mak emore maybe tomorrow whenenver you think I should. I gotta do more stuff and such.
EDT8: No, I can't on MFGG. But the sheet will be a LONG time, sorry. Maybe in a week. I'm too tempted to edit the Wiki now. Plus I have to make some messages to other users, and I'll get new messages while doing that, so..yeah I'm too busy right now.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
oK, there probably won't be alot, geez i wish i had someone to help me, what i'm talking about is all these requests, i got a ton of them, and one by october.
I guess I'll have you run and fly, either know it'll be hard for running because I have to lasso Mario's shoes just right. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!
Animated Gif
I'm deleting my spritesheets and moving them to ImageShack. So, can you make an animated gif of me walking platform style in M&LSS? Go to Moving, Left or Right, I truly donts care.
He'll be back. He didn't delete the talkpages and user page. I think it's what ya do when ya leaving for good. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also he probably won't reply to you soon Fg.
I have a little problem. The Gaming Acheivements section in my homepage has been getting a little long, and I have been wanting to make a table out of them. One part being games I copleted, one part finished games, and the third being for other acheivments. I looked at how it's done on the help section, and saw the table in the Shroom City article as an example, but it just looks too complicated for me. Do you have any advice?
Come on just tell me if your his friend or not i don`t care if your his friend or not it is not my distion!
just tell me you can trust me!come on and pluse you hate fantendo so come on please pretty please with a wii in your room!
PrincessBirdo
We just can't know for sure. Technickal 17:00, 28 November 2011 (EST)
Vandelizim
I don't really understand 2 things. 1. Why did Max2 Vandelize. 2. What kind of things did he say?
User:DummmmmmyWarning: Display title "Axhole" overrides earlier display title "<font color="white">User:RAP</font>".
This user thinks the best Super Smash Bros. character is Roy.
This user dislikes the video game character Bandy Andy because he stole my hot dog.
This user loves CHEESE!.
This user loves WAFFLEZ!.
8,500
This user has over 8,500 edits on the Super Mario Wiki!
Hey there, I'm Xzelion a former: patroller, administrator, and bureaucrat. I've been honored to be apart of many administrative functions of MarioWiki, It's forums, and chat. I also help found Userpedia, a wiki dedicated to the fan-fiction about this Wiki (which is dead now. RIP). A few things you should know about me: I have a habit of dropping off the face of the earth every few months, and I'm extremely sarcastic. So if I should say something mean don't take it personally. Unless I say it multiple times, then maybe I'm trying to tell you something.
If you look through my edits expecting huge rewrites of large articles, you'll be disappointed. I work mainly on Wiki Maintenance.
The rest of this page is mainly kept for the nostalgia factor, a reminder of the fun I've had on this Wiki.
I caught a UFO last night. Isyou was inside. He tasted like waffles.
-3dejong
Lil_Boo: I live in London. Which is in England Xze: I live in a house, Which is in a neighborhood, :P
-Lilbooster & Xzelion
Someone needs a quote of me on their userpage...:|
-Toadbert101
<Xzelion> I need more quotes for my Page D:
<TB101|MK64> I'll give you some:
<Dannyboy> Im a some of a gun
* Xzelion hopes he gets flamed someday
<Dannyboy> XZ STOP BEING A JERK!
<Dannyboy> OMG I FREAKIN HATE YOU!
<Xzelion> :O
<TB101|MK64> X,if you weren't here (I should add something sappy here, but I won't) we woun't have another crat. XD
<Dannyboy> Hopes come true
<Xzelion> :P
<Dannyboy> GET A FREAKIN LIFE INSTEAD OF BEING A JERK HERE!
<Dannyboy> okim done
<Xzelion> :O
-Dannyboy, Xzelion, and Toadbert101
<Blitzwing> According to AC11, you are mean 65% of the time.
<Xzelion> Then I have phailed my job :(
<Xzelion> Its suppose to be 100% of the time XD
-Blitzwing & Xzelion
What people think of me
Negative
...and then RAP & Xzelion came (to the wiki) one of the best things to happen to the wiki IMO
-Knife
Xzelion, you're a perfect example of a good friend
-Pokemon DP
Yo, Amazing Sysop of Small Grammar Capabilities
-3dejong
You have captured all of our personalities perfectly (at least mine). You help us. You encourage us. Dude. You deserve to be sysop.
-3dejong (not before I was a Sysop! :P)
Congratulations! Your a 'Crat! Well Done for making that level. I think you earned it
-Lilbooster
He didn't get promoted becuase he had a "lot of influence.", he was because he deserved it.
-Glowsquid
Dark Lord of Sith-ness. 8]
-3dejong
Lord of the Pwnage(?)
-Lilbooster
Positive
Xze can be terrible sometimes
-Wayoshi
Your brother is always ganging up on me and I hate that.
-Fg to Master Crash
Im never gonna be friends with your bro because he is not so kind to me
-Fg to Master Crash
your brother needs to be a little nicer to everyone...
-Fg to Master Crash
Sheesh Your brother is irriatating me on chat the other day and he definitely has an attitude.So what's up with your brother?Sorry to tell you this again but this is ticking me off...
-Fg to Master Crash
And Im talking about your bro X who ticks me off...
-Fg to Master Crash
You suck Xzelion
-Murzon
You half-witted freak
-Murzon
You're as bad as Wayoshi!
-Murzon
Xzelion is being a jerk
-Saudy
Hi Wayoshi 2
-Plumber
But you know Xzelion thinks he has the power of the wiki and Im leaving because of him...And his brother master crash is WAY cooler than Xzelion.
-Fg to 3dejong
I liked you better as GG
-Alot of guys mainly, Fg, Max, Peachy, PLUMs, Wayo, saudy.
You suck, but I only say that to get on your list. :P HA! NOW YOU NOW HOW IT FEELS!! :P
-Pokemon DP
Okay listen Im tired of you ganging up on me and PLEASE STAY OUT OF MY LIFE AND I MEAN IT...
-Fg
Rot in hell, Xzelion
-MajorShyGuy
User:Dummmmmmy/welcomeWarning: Display title "<font color="white">User:RAP</font>" overrides earlier display title "Axhole".
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Blurry images
Images on this wiki are showing up really blurry and pixelated to me, as if they're all really bad JPG images, but just the thumbnails. Why is this happening? It's been like this for many months now. Shadow2 (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2018 (EST)
They look fine on my end (and they are JPGs, anyway). Are you zoomed in or out? Sometimes that causes images to appear jagged. 00:24, 2 December 2018 (EST)
That's what I thought at first, but I'm not. I tried zooming in and out a bunch and nothing changed, but to confirm they are blurred when I'm at 100% zoom. Shadow2 (talk) 06:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)
Add a New Pages template to the main page
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.
do not add 0-3-0-9
There is one thing that everyone sees when they enter the MarioWiki: The main page. The page is organized and includes trivia, the best articles on the site, news etc. However, under the Did You Know? template there is a large amount of empty space, a perfect place for a new template. The template that I am proposing is a template that, whenever a new page is created, the template will be updated containing a short 1-3 sentence paragraph summarizing the start of the page, preferably took directly from the page. The template would be called New Pages. This idea was approved by Porplemontage. This template would be a auto-comfimed only regularly updated template like the {{News}} template where, whenever a new page is published, a brief summery with a link to the article will be added as the top bullet, as shown above. The rules of this template would be the following:
When a new page is published, a brief 1-3 sentence paragraph summarizing the start of the page, preferably took directly from the start of the page, will be used as a bullet point on the template. (Model A only) The page's main image will be pictured in a maximum 150px image.
(Model A only) Even if the latest page does not have an image at the time of release, Model A will still only have one bullet.
If an article is deemed too short or is badly written, then the article can be skipped.
The template has two bullets in Model B, one in Model A, and whenever a new page is published the article is mention on the first bullet on the top of the template, with the oldest page's bullet point being removed.
Every paragraph should end with the code: '''[[pagename|Read more...]]'''.
The page's name should be linked and bolded.
As mentioned in the rules, there is two models that could work, because, as mentioned by Porplemontage, there is only enough space for either one bullet and an image, or two bullets with no image. Here is an example of how both models would look like:
Safe Buster(pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
Model B:
Safe Buster(pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
Bomb Sweeper is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on June 15, 1987, and is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a policeman and a character named John Solver attempt to stop a character named Dynamite Jack, who plants bombs underground town. Read more...
In my opinion, Model B is better, as while images are nice, not all pages immediately has an image when created, and two bullets can encourage more activity improving new pages than with just a single bullet. Still, this template could not only fill in space on the Main Page, but it could also encourage the creation of pages and the improvement of said pages.
EDIT:Per Alex95's suggestion, {{Special:NewPages|limit=2}} could also work, although in my opinion having a 1-3 sentence paragraph would better help readers get interested with the page than just the edit log, however it is still a viable option, so adding {{Special:NewPages|limit=2}} as option C. (As this Model would update automatically none of the other rules apply) This Model would look like this:
7feetunder (talk) Per Bazooka Mario's comment below. Too much effort for too little gain. If we really wanted to fill out that empty space, we could just make the "Mario & Nintendo News" section longer or something.
Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per 7feetunder. Plus, this only benefits desktop viewers, but not mobile viewers (since it would add to the list instead of equaling the other side). I like 7feetunder idea of how we could remove the added space, but we could either just extend a template (though, that still leaves space, but is part of the template too, and maybe not as preferred) or add something that viewers would be interested in (maybe something like the feature media from the DK wiki that is being merge (in the present) with this wiki). These two are just other two possibilities, but 7feetunder's option is both removes the space altogether and is easy to implement.
Bazooka Mario (talk) I don't think it's needed nor does it provide much benefits for its price of extra maintenance.
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) While the usefulness exists, it is quite slim, can be seen through a button that's already on the wiki, and isn't pretty by any means. The main page should at least look good.
BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, I think it'd be a bit too difficult to decide when to update, plus the space it would occupy drastically varies in size, at least on my laptop, depending on the length of the Did You Know? and Mario & Nintendo News sections- sometimes it has lots of space, and other times it goes below the 'Shroom box- if the News, Did You Know and this were all long, it wouldn't save space and may then create an issue of more empty space on the left.
TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all. While it could have some usefulness, I feel that the extra maintenance would be an issue, along with the fact that the empty space is not the same across browsers.
In my opinion having a 1-3 sentence paragraph would better help readers get interested with the page than just the edit log, and the reason that I added the "Read more..." so that if a user is new they may not know that blue=link so having an obvious link to the page would help attract new readers. Doomhiker (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2019 (EST)
I'm not sure having part of a behind-the-scenes log on the wiki's main page is a good idea, especially since users can type anything in the summary. MarioJC 06:42, 11 January 2019 (EST)
I feel that using behind-the-scenes logs instead of summaries could end up being confusing for people who are just here to read, while also being way less descriptive. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2019 (EST)
So would this have to be updated every time a new page is created? What about when new games are released and articles are constantly being made for its content? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 11:40, 11 January 2019 (EST)
@Waluigi Time it would have to be updated every time a new page is created, even when new games release. It would be the responsibility of the user who made the page, or another user if the user does not do so, to update the template. However, unlike the news and DYK template which require a large amount of effort to maintain, this template would really only need a copy-and-paste of the first few sentences of the page with extra code added and extremely minor adjustments. Doomhiker (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2019 (EST)
I personally do not think that updating it every single time a new page is created in situations such as that is necessary, as sometimes, multiple articles are created in a span of several minutes, and it does not seem necessary to have to update it every few minutes when it will quickly be updated again (especially if the user is unaware that they have to do it). --TheFlameChomp (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2019 (EST)
@TheFlameChomp I agree, and in one of the rules If an article is deemed too short or is badly written, then the article can be skipped. Perhaps I can modify that rule so it also includes Also, if a large amount of new pages are created in a short time span due to a new game or another major event, the updating of this template can be temporarily set aside until page creation is slowed down to a normal pace.Doomhiker (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2019 (EST)
This seems like a lot of maintenance and trouble (via new quality standards that prompts a new discussion) to go through for a small spot on the main page where only a fraction of readers will be pretty invested on. Unlike the other spots, this section isn't going to be updated on a schedule. It'll require constant watch on part of the recent changes. I really don't see the benefit for this for all this trouble aside from general aesthetics of the new page. I think there are other ways we can minimize empty space on the page; this appears to be just padding. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:28, 15 January 2019 (EST)
Character article infobox discrepancies
Okay, this has been bugging me even more so now. On a certain character article on this wiki that I will not name here, I was kindly trying to tell the respective parties that in terms of appearances, it's in regards to the game installment that they first appeared in. But the other editor begs to differ and says it's in regards to their first/latest appearances overall. Can anyone clarify on this and confirm if the character article infoboxes are mainly in regards to game installments only? --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 13:39, 9 February 2019 (EST)
The infoboxes first and latest appearance should be their first/latest appearances overall as those are their first/latest appearance, even if it is not in a game, although articles should also note a thing's first game appearance in an infobox. Doomhiker (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2019 (EST)
Easter Egg on the Super Mario Wiki discovered?
I found this a while ago, but decided to mention it today. If you go to the BJAODN section of the Super Mario Wiki, the wiki's logo will change to one that somewhat resembles Wikipedia's, except the logo includes Mario's eyes, nose, and mustache, the letters are replaced with Mario-themed stuff, and the text is written with the old Mario-style letters. See for yourself: https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:BJAODN
This easter egg also appears on every subpage of BJAODN (with the exception of those that feature an edited wiki that stars another character, as is the case of the April Fools 2017 and 2018 subpages) Speaking of April Fools, I believe that the April Fools subpages should have their own category, rather than being part of the Complete "articles", can someone do it if they agree with that? Gold Luigi (talk) 08:13, March 21, 2019 (EDT)
April Fouls Day logo change: Stinky Kong (aka Pink Donkey Kong Jr.) deserves nothing more than to be lacerated by Rambi
Just the facts. Get the hell off my screen, you abomination, and be replaced by Purple Captain Toad, who is so much more enjoyable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:13, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
comes here uninvited Boo! I wanted a Bowsette Wiki, not this nonsence! Gold Luigi (talk) 13:59, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Out or my signature, Stinky Kong! I'll have to wait tomorrow to remove it. --FanOfYoshi 14:06, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Bowsette sucks. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:16, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
What about Weegee? (T|C) 18:20, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I'm just saying Waluigi is always a good option --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:49, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Weegee is a funny punching bag in Super Smash Bros. Crusade but alas they removed him. Ray Trace(T|C) 18:50, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Weegee sucks, Fortran and Malleo were better. But Weegee's still better than Fortran's more-famous ripoff "Grand Dad," or those other two ripoffs. A ripoff of a ripoff. Bowsette was....OK-level-amusing at first, and that's the best I can say. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:27, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
To be perfectly fair, taking all factors into account....the logo is garbage and you should feel ashamed. Tosses an endless supply of particularly-stinky fish. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:34, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I will additionally suggest not changing the colors of the ranks on the recent changes again, the bureaucrat green was near blinding. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:58, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Agreed as well. The green melted my eyes and then tossed them in a dump heap. TheDarkStar (talk) 22:11, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
I hated it as well. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:39, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah. Maybe next year, they could change all usernames to red, making it look like no-one has a userpage. That might be a nice prank for April Fool's 2020. TheDarkStar 23:47, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, I made the bureaucrat color too bright, that's my bad. I can't check how the colors look until the css page is saved, and I just didn't feel like making correction after correction, so I just went with it :P 00:16, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
You could get color values from GIMP or practically any image editor program so you have a general idea of it before you save the page. Ah well, just something to keep in mind in case it's needed again. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:18, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I got them from here, which looked perfectly fine to me. But I guess I'm not the best at picking colors ^^; (I don't know why a bureaucrat didn't just change it) 00:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Concentration. A small amount in a pattern against a huge white background is going to make any super-bright color practically unbearable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:42, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I have to agree with FireyYoshi. This year's April Fools' joke definitely was weak, especially when compared to previous year's. Plus, it didn't show the "We Are Pink Donkey Kong Jr." logo (at least for me), it kept showing the regular "Super Mario Wiki" logo instead. Gold Luigi (talk) 14:02, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Try hard refreshing (Ctrl+F5) next time. TheDarkStar 14:20, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Wow, this discussion has gone on a long time... TheDarkStar 14:23, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It feels especially weak to me, since I had my "Death to Pie" proposal planned nearly a whole year in advance. In fact, the only recent editions to it were adding Starlow and Kersti alongside Mr. Star Gate after I realized the extent of the bile that stupid yellow thing had amassed for herself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, Pink Donkey Kong Jr. probably wasn't the best April Fool's prank the wiki has seen, especially the eye-melting bureaucrat green. TheDarkStar 14:27, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
As I said above, Dark Star X or Fawful might be good choices for April Fool's 2020. TheDarkStar 14:50, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I DO have the perfect choice for April Fools 2020, but I'd rather keep it a secret... OK, not really, how about we turn every Nintendo wiki into a 100% anime wiki for 2020, similar to how we turned them into a Sony wiki in 2017? We can put Astro Boy for Mario, Yokai Watch for Pokemon, etc. Gold Luigi (talk) 15:01, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Good idea, but I will vehemently oppose that in favor of Dark Star X. TheDarkStar 15:04, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Forgot to mention that, the reason I want for my April Fools prank to come true in 2020, and ONLY in 2020, is because of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games. Anime (and Astro Boy, the first anime ever) were both originated in Japan, right? And Tokyo is in Japan. So I came up with that. Gold Luigi (talk) 15:07, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
What about the inevitable 2020 release of a Super Mario Bros. platformer featuring a revived Dark Star? TheDarkStar 15:25, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I can even try my hand at rendering characters for an official style though I don't know how quickly that'd turn out to be fake... Ray Trace(T|C) 15:27, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
If so, could you please do a Dark Star render for my userpage? TheDarkStar 15:35, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
That's a lot of effort, not sure if I can undertake that. Ray Trace(T|C) 15:46, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
OK, thanks! TheDarkStar 18:03, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
This discussion is growing awfully long. Anyone know what we should do with it? TheDarkStar 18:04, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
In the event another M&L game is announced, I move for Starlowiki. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:15, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Darkstarlowiki? TheDarkStar 18:17, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
If this is possible perhaps Porple could change the pop-up ads to just Starlow stating obvious facts such as "the Mario wiki has a Mario page". Doomhiker (talk) 18:21, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Sounds reasonable. TheDarkStar 19:38, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I think so. TheDarkStar 14:58, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
Uhhh...
Does the Pink DK Jr logo at the top need to be replaced since it's no longer April Fools? TheIceCream (talk) 10:07, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It should. --FanOfYoshi 10:09, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It has been. Click File:Mariowiki.png and do a hard refresh. 11:34, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It hasn't. It still shows DK Jr. TheIceCream (talk) 14:50, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Try Ctrl+F5. TheDarkStar 14:51, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Ah yes. Cheers. TheIceCream (talk) 17:28, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Nintendo's own browsers
For the last couple of weeks, I have been unable to access MarioWiki (and SmashWiki) from the 3DS and Wii U's browsers. Why? RickTommy (talk) 05:59, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
Well, it's not because Nintendo isn't allowing it specifically-the wiki isn't affiliated with Nintendo. JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 17:07, July 7, 2019 (EDT) 22:25, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
The same thing happened to me on my Wii U. Are you saying that Nintendo only allows websites affiliated with it? I'm confused. --DeepFriedCabbage 15:58, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
Oh, no. What I mean is that the reason that the wiki is not accessible is not because Nintendo blocked it specifically (judging by the discussion title, it looks like that's what Rick was asking about). JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 20:40, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
I'm not saying anything of the sort. The reason I chose that title was for the irony. Anyway, I asked this same question on the SmashWiki (see here) and got an answer that may help. RickTommy (talk) 20:22, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
Okay. Sorry about that, and I'm glad you found an answer. JoeRunner (talkand stuff) 15:12, August 7, 2019 (EDT)
Change my password
How do I change my password on my profile if I can't remember my current password? MarioLover54 12:26 PM 7/31/2019 (EST)
There should be a "reset password" option if you set an email address. If you didn't, you'll have to talk to Porplemontage (talk). -YFJ (talk · edits) 12:28, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Loging in on NIWA
Can you sign in on Smashwiki when you only have a Mariowiki account? Mad Hunter (talk) 13:53, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Accounts between sites are not shared within NIWA. You have to make a new account on Smash Wiki. 14:02, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Mad Hunter (talk) 14:08, November 20, 2019 (EST)
Really?
This years April Fools joke is not good, are we running out of ideas? FireyYoshi (talk)
what joke, steve needs more money okay --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 10:24, April 1, 2020 (EDT)
A new Paper Mario game was just announced. Should we add that to Mario & Nintendo news MarioMorty (talk) 09:26, May 14, 2020 (EDT)
It's up, thanks for notifying. MarioJC 10:25, May 14, 2020 (EDT)
Donkey Kong Country coming to Switch Online!
I think it's worth mentioning on the front page. User:DK Fan
Added. 23:18, July 7, 2020 (EDT)
Random Question
How do you get the images in your usernames? everytime I try, it fails.. -- MarioMorty (talk) 13:17, July 18, 2020 (EDT)
[[File:Image.png|32px]], for example. For signatures, you should avoid using "thumb" or "frame". Learn more at MarioWiki:Signatures. 13:29, July 18, 2020 (EDT)
Could I get a link to the template for links? (lol) I think outside links should open in new tabs,(e.g.) correct me if I'm wrong. I was going to propose to do this on the template, couldn't find it. I should know the code to accomplish this. CappyThrow (Talk) 03:36, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
Why would people want to be forced to open a new tab? Before my recent browser cleanup, there was enough that any more would start hiding them due to space. Regardless, if anyone wants to open a new tab for whatever reason, they need only right-click. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:16, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
I usually open pages in a new tab. But I'm not sure what you mean, are you talking about MarioWiki:Links? 13:48, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
'Shroom?
Why does the main page advertise the 'Shroom... twice? There are two bars, one at the top and the other towards the middle. -Mags (talk) 15:47, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
Top one is MediaWiki:Sitenotice which is displayed across the wiki, middle is {{Announcement}} which is just displayed on the main page. 16:12, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
Why does the search function suck?
I have noticed that the search function on MarioWiki really doesn't work very well. Or, at least, it doesn't function like most other sites' search functions and ends up usually not being helpful. For example, I searched for "Mario Party 3 Credits" once because at the time, I couldn't remember the exact title of the page. What are the results of this search?
...etc, etc, just a long list of popular, or often visited, pages that just happen to contain "Mario" within them somewhere. This doesn't help at all. I find that nine times out of ten, the pages for Mario, Luigi, DK and for some reason "List of Items" will always be at the top of the search results. So, what's wrong with it? Shadow2 (talk) 06:18, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
Well, the credits page does not actually have the word "credits" anywhere in the page. So that will definitely play a part in search never bringing that up. List of Mario Party 3 staff. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
When you search, the results will only list pages containing all the words in your search. To avoid the type of results you got, try searching "Mario Party 3" in quotes, without "credits" because that word isn't present (we use "staff"). You'll then see all pages containing Mario Party 3 in the title.
I understand your points, but I still think there's something not quite right. I'm comparing this to search functions on other Wikis, including Wikipedia, and none of those wikis will always spit out the same list of articles if it can't find one with a matching title. On other wikis if you search for something it'll give you stuff that's at least a little close, but this wiki will always give me "Mario" "Luigi" "List of items" every single time. This gives the impression to the user (me) that the search function is broken. You go to the Zelda wiki or something, and "Link" doesn't show up at the top of every single possible search result. Shadow2 (talk) 19:46, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
What would be a good search function (to me) would be a thing that you could toggle in the settings. The thing that you could toggle would be acrually two things: The ability to search for just the phrase and not it jumbled up, and the ability to be able to search d and have articles that included d also as part of a word than just seperately. By the way, it was really hard to phrase this. DarkNight 19:58, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
I get the feeling this happens with every wiki that is run by Porplemontage, including this one and the Kingdom Hearts wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
The game is now available for me to play which means the latest appearance can be updated. However, would this be the sort of thing we would update the latest appearance to for everything? Nightwicked Bowser
Yes, everything that appears in 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy. (T|C) 20:49, September 17, 2020 (EDT)
Citation format
Hey fellas, didn't know where to ask. We borrow a citation format from Wikipedia, but there is a huge discrepancy on the entire wiki on whether citations go after the period, or before the period. Wikipedia places the citations after the period. Our official MarioWiki:Citations page tells us to put it before the period. Most our articles have the citations after the period which is supposedly wrong (don't believe me? look up any major article, Mario, Yoshi, Bowser and just CTRL+F [1] [2]). Our sysops have been enforcing the citation before the period on new articles, as I've noticed Alex95 doing when I was writing the Steve (Minecraft) article. But it's causing a major discrepancy and I just wanted to bring it up. Personally, I think it should be after the period, it looks neater, but whatever is chosen, there is no standard right now. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
I agree with after. Same with commas --Steve (talk) 22:20, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
"Tap to display image"
Anyone on mobile view, are lots of images in pages covered with a message saying this until you actually tap the image? Is there a setting anywhere where all images will be displayed immediately? This doesn't apply to desktop view. Nightwicked Bowser
Your outdated software may not have this, but the fix is to go to Settings -> Safari -> Advanced -> Experimental Features and enable "Intersection Observer" --Steve (talk) 09:09, October 29, 2020 (EDT)
App
Do we have an app. and if we don't please don't expect me to make it as I have no history in app design --MarioMorty (talk) 16:59, November 7, 2020 (EST)
Trivia
The trivia isn't even correct. Wario appears in Super Mario Land 2. Polterpup (talk) 20:55, November 22, 2020 (EST)
But he's not playable there. 20:56, November 22, 2020 (EST)
Grammatically speaking, "appears and is playable" implies it is the only game he appears in. It should just say "is playable." Polterpup (talk) 15:58, November 23, 2020 (EST)
Fixed. DarkNight 16:05, November 23, 2020 (EST)
Talk page archive template
I noticed that any talk pages with archive subpages have formatting that seem more suitable as a template (i.e. see Talk:Mario, Talk:Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, and so more). Is it doable to make this a template and is it recommended? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:36, December 11, 2020 (EST)
Where I can help
I want to help, but I don't know where to start as I don't have much coding experience --MarioMorty (talk) 00:15, February 7, 2021 (EST)
Non-Japanese/English voice actors in infoboxes
I'm not sure if this was already discussed among the admins, but I think this should be discussed publicly. There was an anon adding names of voice actors for characters originating from other franchises such as Sonic in languages besides Japanese and English. My question is should we keep those or remove them. Personally, my concern about this practise is that it's not really that consistent with the rest of the wiki, with every other infobox listing English/Japanese actors only (which is possible could be the only voice actors), and I feel it clutters them a bit. Nightwicked Bowser 19:49, February 9, 2021 (EST)
We talked about it on the admin and the discord and found the 3DS version of M&S 2016 does have dubbed voice clips for languages beside English and Japanese (specifically French, Spanish, German and Italian,), so the voice actor information warrants to be listed somewhere - for the characters that appear in that, game for those languages.
Now the following two thoughts (these are not admin teams concensus)
-For the sake of avoiding clutter, I feel infoboxes should only list the source language of a given media, and English. If the source language is English, then only that.
-Information about dubs beside English and Japanese should be mentioned somewhere. There's no reason to. My favoured approach would be in the "List of portrayals" sections seen on some character pages. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:14, February 9, 2021 (EST)
I agree with this. MarioJC 22:43, February 9, 2021 (EST)
Seconded; if anything in terms of the infobox for character articles, I think it should be listing the English voice artists only. For those that have voice artists in other language, I think it should be under a sub-section under "List of portrayals" in character articles after the English ones have been listed first (when it is really necessary). --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 00:01, February 10, 2021 (EST)
I agree. --MarioMorty (talk) 19:46, February 12, 2021 (EST)
Idea For April Fools 2021
Idea For April Fool's: Remove everything relating to Mario's 35th anniversary for a day. (you probably know why) --MarioMorty (talk) 20:04, February 19, 2021 (EST)
Did you know ideas
For the next "did you know" we cold put: Mario and Luigis last name is Mario. Bubbasour11
Worldwide release dates
For games with a worldwide release date, we could put a globe next to the date of release to signify this. Spooky! (talk) 19:56, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
This was something I was thinking of bringing up, I don't really like the look of certain game infoboxes saying the exact same date for every country. Nightwicked Bowser 19:58, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
Demo subsection/subpage
I was wondering if we should add a section about demos (not tech demos) such as store kiosk demos or the gamecube demos discs featuring multiple games Bobster (talk) 14:23, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
R.I.P. Walker Boone
I think it's worth mentioning on the main page. DK Fan
Dr. Mario World Memories
Even if the main game of Dr. Mario World's App. close the 1 November 2021, the App. was still working to let players to access to the Dr. Mario World's Memories from the App. until today. On the site, they said it will be closed for the 31 January 2022, but they actually close it between 00:00 (UTC) and 02:00 (UTC) the 1 February 2022 (today). As a proof, I got pictures where it worked at 11:57 PM (UTC), the 31 January and before and when it doesn't work anymore at 02:00 (UTC). Can we add those informations in the Trivia section of the main page of this site, please?
The page for Dr. Mario World should also include those informations.
Please be patient, talk page messages aren't always noticed immediately. If there's information missing from pages you're free to add it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:15, February 3, 2022 (EST)
April Fools 2022 idea.
Since 2022 will mark the 30th anniversary of Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins, the first appearance of Wario, we should briefly turn this wiki into the Super Wario Wiki. DK Fan
The staff have already decided on what April Fools will be themed on this year. You'll see when the time comes. Nightwicked Bowser 20:46, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Um, is there any way to update the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass Course info with it being released in the US of A as well? Because I was able to purchase it off the eShop. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:45, March 18, 2022 (EDT)
Considering
I've been considering to create a SSB proposal where instead of asking to further simplify and/or delete, it allow for allowing more SSB coverage. I thought about this a bit... The Super Smash Bros. series title is a pun on Super Mario Bros..... in the English language, that is, and while it's not the case in Japanese, this is still an English-speaking wiki & many are familiarized with Mario being the flagship of not only Nintendo but the main representative of the overall SSB series, especially the earlier installments with fewer third-party characters. In this regard I consider Super Smash Bros. a "related series" to the Mario franchise (whereas Zelda & Kirby, for example, are obviously their own thing). I just wanted to get feedback on this idea for a proposal before putting it into practice. It's also the main resource for casual SSB players not only in NIWA but online in general. Results May Vary (talk) 10:18, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Smash coverage is a majorly polarizing aspect of this wiki, so if you're going to seriously suggest that we undo all that progress we've made toward limiting our Smash coverage in favor of treating the series as full-on Mario titles and fully covering it then you'd better be ready for the floodgates to open. I, for one, vehemently oppose. I'd rather do the exact opposite and get rid of our non-Mario coverage of Smash (or spin it off to a new wiki or something). I posted several comments on that proposal I just linked explaining why, but I think Glowsquid's comment sums it up better. 11:06, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
I mean I have relocated a lot of the content elsewhere (user page could point in the right direction), but I'm infamous around NIWA, so that's a problem when it comes to directly connecting it to Mario Wiki. Know what I mean? Results May Vary (talk) 11:20, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Can't say I do know what you mean about your alleged "infamy". It's not a good excuse for dumping the content here regardless. 12:39, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Yeah I just meant if the SSB coverage issue were brought up again, the current solution to it might not be ideal as it not a full replication of the Mario Wiki style. This is because it's a Miraheze wiki (I can't afford to host wikis anymore) and I don't plan to move it off or try & have it inducted in NIWA or be hosted by Grifkuba (long story). That's why I figured the representation of casual SSB within NIWA would mainly be done from the Mario Wiki itself. Results May Vary (talk) 12:53, April 12, 2022 (EDT)
Film infobox
Hey, I think it's time we develop an infobox for movies, with the upcoming Mario movie and whatnot. I would make it myself but I get a little confused by how to make a template. Aside from having the details that already covered therein the article like director and cast, it could cover details like the movie's runtime, budget and box office, details that are not present in these types of articles. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)
I know what to do for April Fool's 2023 make it Sonic themed like I did hereNatsMario 02:38, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Updated on 05:50, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I do think we should wait for more ideas next year, see if new ideas crop up as we'll get more Mario games and whatnot. April Fools was just 2 months ago, after all. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:14, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
As I said a few sections above, the staff decide on what to do for April Fools, and we start thinking about it around February-March. Nightwicked Bowser 07:51, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Maybe We Can Use This Whem Mario And Sonic At The Olympic Games 2023 Comes Out NatsMario 19:12, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
That editing field...
I think several of us agree that the background we're using for editing is.... not the greatest. There has been proposed changes to it in our Discord channel, such as changing the images or removing it all together and simply having a blank background. I don't think it hurts to have a bit of flavor, but I wonder what images we should settle on before we fire a proposal. I also decided to at least have a discussion here just so people without a Discord and those editing the wiki DO get a chance to discuss any changes and whatnot. There are several group images I like to share below.
Image 1
This is a good one since all major series stars are here. There's one issue: there's no alpha channel. (Yes Mario and Waluigi, I know you're disappointed, but don't blame Koopa con Carne this time, blame Nintendo) However I do think we can resolve this easily, doesn't seem like a difficult job to remove it; we'll probably be editing the image anyway to wash it out for the sake of good contrast with what's more important, the functionality of the editing field). Other issues do include lack of bigger players like Daisy, Rosalina, and the powerups (but to be fair, we already have powerups scattered on the sidebar anyway). I would go for this one, but I'd really like Rosalina and Daisy on there. Can't have everything.
Here's a mockup I did for a potential new background
Here is a mockup of the new background if we successfully replace it
And here's a source png with the background white removed. I'd rather we don't pad out the image with this white space and use css functions to arrange the image at the bottom, but I'm not a css wizard at all, I just know how to inspect element and stuff
Image 2
This one is good too since it encompasses the entire playable cast of the initial release of Strikers Battle League minus Donkey Kong a rich line up of Mario characters and powerups, but there's one issue: there's no alpha channel. Also, the lack of Donkey Kong should be an issue because we do cover the DK series in full so I feel Donkey Kong should have to be here. I figure a mockup would look pretty similar to the first attempt, so I'm not going to attempt it here.
Image 3
And this last one does have the big benefit of an alpha channel, but it's held back by a more limited cast with no Wario despite their series being prominent part of MarioWiki.
As for the future, well, there might be new an improved group art, but as far as goes, the 2D stuff should be more future-proof than 3D. We really shouldn't be using GCN-era renders though, especially when those three images don't even belong in the same game as each other, and one isn't a stock image of Mario, but clearly identified as artwork from 2000s. Thanks, FLUDD.
Anyway, before I try carrying out a proposal, I'd like to see any more candidates for an editing field, and we can narrow down to a few, if any, so we don't overwhelm voters with all these options. Also suggestions for adjustments to the image is fine before I file it for a proposal. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:51, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Comments for editing field
Image 3 definitely NatsMario 03:55, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Why do you think so? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:55, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Because it looks pretty NatsMario 03:58, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
But it doesn't have WAAAAALuigi. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:11, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I'm of the sentiment that having an editing background is pretty pointless, particularly because any images would need to be transparent hard enough just to permit the editing text to be visible at all times. It just wouldn't look good to see, and as a result I don't see a reason to have another editing background that will have to be adjusted and be very faint to see. That being said, I think Image 1 looks the best, as it contains the primary cast of Mario-related characters. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 04:14, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I like it because it adds a subtle accent (similar to the background in our proposals-space, as tacky as that one is) and it does help distinguish the field from the rest of the interface a bit. Our wiki looks, admittedly, plain and minimalist at points, but maybe an accent here will help it keep it a little more unique compared to other wikis aesthetics-wise. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:19, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I think Image 2 is pretty good, since it contains most of the major characters and enemies of the franchise, though I can rarely even see that edit background image. Most of the time, it's blocked by a ton of words. WildWario (talk) 04:33, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
It's definitely a good lineup but it just irritates me that DK is missing, and DK content takes up a big chunk of the wiki. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:37, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
I'm personally in the "we don't need one at all" camp, but I'd prefer image 1. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 12:02, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Hey, what if we combined the two? I could do that... -ChilliDaYoshi555
Because the opacity of image 2 was a concern in Bazooka Mario's original post, I'd like to inform everyone that Play Nintendo provides a version with an alpha channel, although it's smaller and has some shading dither: -- KOOPACONCARNE 19:16, November 23, 2022 (EST)
I'd personally choose the Play Nintendo version of image 2. Power Flotzo (talk) 17:36, November 25, 2023 (EST)
Well, it looks like from my skin, the images have been removed all together. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:40, November 25, 2023 (EST)
List of every Mario Kart course?
I recently had an idea of creating a list article of every original course in the Mario Kart series, with links to the games and courses’ respective articles. If this sounds like a good idea, let me know and I’d be happy to start it off. If this idea is rejected then that’s okay. This was signed by NintendoFan08 15:30, December 10, 2022 (EST)
There's already a complete list of courses here. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 15:32, December 10, 2022 (EST)
Okay, my mistake. This was signed by NintendoFan08 18:31, December 10, 2022 (EST)
New 2D Mario game leak
A new 2D Super Mario game has been leaked as of today.[2] The leak says that Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad are the playable characters, Takashi Tesuka and Hiroyuki Kimora are producers, and it’s set to launch in 2023/2024. I’m not saying an article should be made yet because leaks aren’t enough for one, but just keep your eyes peeled for any information on this untitled Mario game. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 07:58, December 19, 2022 (EST)
1) Unfortunately, no, none so far. 2) Is that sarcasm or a serious question? Not trying to be rude or accuse you of anything, just asking. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 09:52, December 27, 2022 (EST)
1) Sad. 2) That was a serious question. I was just excited. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:13, January 04, 2023 (CST)
1) I know, right? 2) Okay. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 13:49, January 4, 2023 (EST)
Well, the leaks were true. Time to close the discussion. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 11:40, June 24, 2023 (EDT)
List of games by date link contains... malware??
I was reading an article (Fliprus to be specific) and clicked on the link in the infobox that takes you to the list of games by date when my antivirus software aborted connection to due it being infected with "URL:Phishing". Was this a mistake, a hack or something else? An explanation would be greatly appreciated. Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean NintendoFan08. 09:56, December 27, 2022 (EST)
Do you have a reliable source for this? Nightwicked Bowser 15:45, March 1, 2023 (EST)
You can find many resources on google. I heard it from a friend, so I looked it up. All of them seem reliable. Of course, that is up to you to decide. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:36, March 2, 2023 (CST)
This brings up a good question. 2 sections ago, NintendoFan08 talked of a new 2D Super Mario game within that same year period. Would this game be for this new console, if both turn out to be correct? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:39, March 2, 2023 (CST)
IT'S REAL! NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ARE COVERING IT! LOOK ONLINE! SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:44, January 9, 2024 (CST)
Third-party sources don't really count as official. It's safer to wait until info comes from Nintendo themselves. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 11:18, January 9, 2024 (EST)
And THAT compliment is not an April Fools joke, right? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:23, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
indeed it's not a joke :3 -- KOOPACONCARNE 04:26, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
That's complete fact. Mario. --FanOfYoshi 04:27, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
Awww, thanks! Mario. It was my idea, but we wouldn't have done it without encouragement and contributions from fellow staff! Mario. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 04:29, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
Check the nav template again! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:11, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
It has Supermarionation. I checked. Also, it seems like this took Mario way too far. What's next, a Super Mario Multiverse wiki, with articles on everything Mario, official & unofficial? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:16, April 10, 2023 (CST)
DKC animation on Did You Know
Quick update as Ron Rubin also came back to do Kaptain Scurvy for that fan animation. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 13:27, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
elongated muskrat amirite xDDDD
Do we change all instances of the name "Twitter" to "X" in the wake of the site's rebranding? -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:08, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
We should honestly first put these links through an archive. Every Twitter source in the future needs to be archived It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
How weird!
It is unusual for the wiki to use Emojis, I found one on the microgame Apple Blaster --AJOMarioWiki (talk) 16:29, November 17, 2023 (EST)
Apparently the Microgame uses an apple ICON rather than the word apple in traditional WarioWare style so the editors used the emoji. But yes, the wiki does not use emojis at all otherwise.
P.S. Also, it might have been better to say this on the talk page of the article rather than the talk page of this one. Wonder Time!
Very funny.., VERY funny, guys…
That’s not sarcasm, I actually was almost convinced that the April Fool’s Joke was real for a second there. Wonder Time!
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Why the heck is this article so huge?! It lags like a WIKIA page! Are all of those images necessary? HavocReaper48 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be huge because it is a Featured Article, and this article follows everything the Featured Articles needs, huge articles need to stay that way, etc. HappyHalloween!
No, it's huge because there's a lot of info that needs to be covered. Being large isn't actually an FA requirement: as long as the article's not tiny, it's the quality that matters, not the quantity. - Walkazo 16:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
Split
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I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections into separate, respectful sub-articles, just like the staff and soundtracks. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Proposed Deadline: April 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT Date Withdrawn: April 15, 2011
Really? All you need to do is find the time in GMT (which for you I heard you mention is +8 hours for you) then check the date. Go forward two weeks from that date and end at 23:59 or 24:00 GMT. Rule 2 on the proposal page can be a little confusing, I had to read it a few times before I got what it was saying. Bop1996(Talk) 10:34, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I just have my date and time preferences set to the server default and look at RecentChanges to keep track of what time it is in GMT. For the deadline, I just look at a calendar and go straight down the day column two weeks; adding 14 days to the date also works if you're not crossing into another month (in this case, 3 + 14 = 17). The only potentially confusing part of Rule 2 (imho) is the stuff about rounding the voting start time, which doesn't apply to TPPs. I added specific dates to the Rule 2 example to try and make it a bit better, and I added a deadline example to TPP Rule 3 too. - Walkazo 11:13, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
That works too, my point with Rule 2 is that people seem to have a hard time applying the differences between their time and GMT. Most of the incorrect end times seem to be because people forget to convert to GMT... I think I saw a place on the wiki that listed the differences between GMT and other time zones, maybe a link to that page would help. Bop1996(Talk) 13:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I think that would be a good idea, though I have one question: Why does the wiki use GMT in the first place? Mario4Ever (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
I think it's because of the time facility in Greenwich, England. They count the Earth's rotation and it's supposed to be extremely accurate. I'm not really the person to ask this, as I never cared until I came to the wiki and had to care. Bop1996(Talk) 09:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
No, it's because we're an International wiki, and GMT is the standard one used all over the world (hence it's the server default); we used to use EST/EDT, but that was considered too America-centric (and daylight savings time muddled the issue pretty badly). Here's the proposal that had is start using GMT. We use one time zone to regulate when voting ends so proposals don't randomly disappear all the time and confuse people; that's how it's always been done. As for people having trouble converting to GMT, it's not complicated at all: just memorize how many hours are added or removed for your time zone. For me, EST is GMT-5; the only confusing bit is when we switch to EDT, which is GMT-4, but that's why I've got my preferences set to GMT - to double-check times if I'm ever a bit unsure of myself. Daylight savings time issues aside, asking people to memorize one addition or subtraction equation is not unreasonable, and folks can just Google search "GMT" to find out their time zone's offset (the first website is a conversion page, the first image result is a map, etc.), so we shouldn't even need a page of conversions here. We could always link to one of the many Wikipedia articles dealing with time zones, tho; this one has a nice chart, for example, and this has a map, although you need to view it at full resolution in order to read it. - Walkazo 10:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
@Kaptain K. Rool: Yeah, I know they are part of the cast. What is the point you're trying to make. Zero777 (talk)
That they are both a part of he cast and we don't need two separate articles about the cast. Kaptain K. Rool (talk)
I was trying to make a point but his idea is better.
Is it possible for me to make changes to the proposal and to strike out everybody's vote until they revert their's for fairness? Zero777 (talk)
I'm not sure, the three day period where you are allowed to edit your proposal is up. You could ask for the proposal to be cancelled and then relist it according to how you want to change it, or you could ask a sysop what you should do... Bop1996 (talk)
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Split from Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Merge into staff sub-articles 7-0
I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections and merge them into the staff sub-articles. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit, and also it seems like the proposal to merge the Subspace Emissary back into the article looks like it is going to succeed and it will make the article enormous-er.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Deadline: May 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Wouldn't it be better to put the music staff with the rest of the staff? The article's current segregation and placement of those folks seems rather silly to begin with... - Walkazo 14:26, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
@Zero: You'd better change the proposal now, unless you want the proposal removed again and to re-list it... By April 32, did you mean May 2? I must've missed the universal calendar changes... Bop1996(Talk) 14:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
I actually changed the deadline to May 1. Using 24:00 should be perfectly fine, but if folks are going to keep changing it to 0:00 the next day (which is NOT allowed, as it messes up the nice +14 days motif), it's best to simply use 23:59. - Walkazo 15:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
I say we merge all of the subspace emissary levels into one article kirby9612
I'm upset with the way the merge was handled.
I've been gone from this wiki for quite a while, and I was surprised at what I found on the SSBB staff list page when I got back. I am disappointed by how the merge happened, specifically with how Walkazo handled it. This is not a "merge". This is basically just overwriting all of the work I did in compiling a list of the game's arrangers. You practically copied from the official Dojo website, which leaves out a lot of the arrangement credits. The only things you added to my original list (which is still in the page history) was the names of performers. But you also added in arrangers who were already covered in the "Music and Sound" section of the credits as they actually appear in the game on your TV screen.
For example: Kentaro Ishizaka, who was credited as one of the "Music and Sound" individuals in the credits, also arranged twelve songs, if one searches through the sound test. In the big honkin' table that was dropped on this page, Ishizaka is only listed as the "arrangement supervisor" (a term I disfavor to "arranger" or "arranged by") of two songs: "Waluigi Pinball" and "Famicon Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally - Title". That leaves out all his work on songs like "Corneria" and "You Call This a Utopia?!"! Then again, Ishizaka's arrangement credits were already listed by me in the "Music and Sound" section.
The original intent of the "Music Arrangement" section was to list things exactly as they were in the original, on-your-TV credits. Isn't that the point of any "/Staff" article? List the credits as they appear on screen in the same order? That's what I was trying to do with this page when I created it six months ago (with help from someone's YouTube copy of the credits). I just added in more information by my own research that made the page more useful.
In the end, I think a "merge" could be completed much better if we were to leave the "Music and Sound" section alone, and list the names in the "Music Arrangement" section in the same order that they appear in the game. List only those names, plus the performers (like James Cowan and Emily McIntosh, for example), and leave the "Music and Sound" names out of the "Music Arrangement" names. That's just my two fifty cents.
Oh! Just thought of something. The people who performed vocally on the songs should be listed under the voices, not the music arrangement credits, following the example set here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors -Dogman15 20:19, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
wtf
My PC displays erroneously the images with some wacky and funny effects such as:
The pic of Groudon is a Trampoline.
The entire Subspace map is a soccerball, (BJAODN forward) suggesting that upon a time the entire Subspace was a soccerball. Pretty interesting.
The Kongs' emblem is Bowser. IT'S SO FREAKIN' GENIUS.
The SSBB Battlefield is Sonic. From today everyone can now battle over Sonic!
The Halberd is the Mushroomy Kingdom. Did there was a fatal merge error somewhere?!
Barrels are Wii Remotes. How can I throw my Wii Remote on the screen and assisting its transformation?
The Super Mushroom is now a Stock Ball. Wow, now I can get both an extra life and more power!
The Samurai Goroh is smoke. BREAKING NEWS!!! The Samurai Goroh has now the power to turn into colored smoke!!!
And more! The text in bold is sarcastic opinion.
--Super Famicom 64 16:59, 25 February 2012 (EST)
About 1 out of 4 times when I get a Game Over in Subspace Emissionary, the music plays before the trophies hit the ground. Could anyone explain why this is? Please?
The link to the dojo now directs you to the Smash Bros. 4 website. I think this should either be removed, or changed to one of the existing site pages. ---Skittles
Since it no longer covers Brawl, I recommend removing the link and adding a section about it to the article itself. Tacopill (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
Fun Fact: DELETE!!!!!!
When you want to delete ALL of your data, the game will ask you 3 times if you are sure.
First Time: Are you sure your want to erase data? (Erased data cannot be recovered.)
Second Time: Absoluetly sure? (No erased date can be recovered.)
Final Time: Really? (You will lose it FOREVER!)
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Music Links?
Something I noticed was that there were only links for a few of the songs (one or two per stage). Is this simply because the site being linked to only has those songs? If so, we could just edit in links to YouTube videos that have each song. Just seems like something to make the article a bit more user-friendly. Kathogenia (talk) 02:00, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Maybe....Ray Trace(T|C) 02:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Move The Subspace Emissary to a separate page
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Baby Luigi (talk) I have to agree with this proposal for a variety of reasons. One, unlike other game modes, this is a pretty damn huge game mode. It's practically its own thing and it even gets its own sections of enemies in there. Having the Subspace Emissary, a huge complex deep mode in an article that's already quite extensive enough is overkill for me. It's the same reason I made the Super Duel Mode article by itself rather than having it cluttered on the Mario Party 5 article. Coin Rush, Boost Rush, and some other modes also have their own articles too because they're quite detailed, deep, and very complex gameplay. This isn't some optional side mode like Battle Mode or Time Trials or Extras mode, it's a full on complex own thing that I feel should deserve its own article. I wouldn't completely move it to its own page, but we could leave a short section for it in the Brawl article. I think making an article focused on the Subspace Emissary is a good move and it should rightfully deserve its own page, unlike Adventure mode from Melee.
Yoshi K (talk) I have to agree with the above, because of all the other game modes that have their own page. I think The Subspace Emissary is in a similar situation as the game modes mentioned above.
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Time Turner (talk) This is the proposal that originally merged the Subspace with this article, and I agree wholeheartedly with it. The solution really shouldn't be to split the Subspace Emissary simply due to its length. Yes, it is overly long, but if the problem lies in the fact that it's long, then maybe we should try to not make it long? Besides the length, what exactly warrants for this section to be split? It's very distinctly a mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which would mean that splitting it would be inconsistent (as per other proposals who merged modes). Also, the Subspace Emissary section, despite being overwhelmingly and unnecessarily long, is poorly written. There is an excellent reason for why it has that rewrite template, with lines like "On the verge of tears, while all alone," and "As Diddy stares in fear and awe," (are we writing an article or a novel?) really accentuating why it's bad. Simply put, we shouldn't just send the info off to another article; it's like we're just shoving the problem in a corner and saying, "Nope, nothing wrong here." What we should do is work to shorten, trim, and improve what's already there. Besides, if this did get split, I'd advocate for it to be deleted just because of how badly written it is.
SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per Time Turner. This is like moving the History section of Mario's page to another page because it's too long.
SeanWheeler (talk) Per Time Turner. Crossover games like Super Smash Bros. shouldn't get more special treatment than mainstream Mario games. If you want the Subspace Emissary with its own article, see Smash Wiki.
Holy constipated shit god, that plot section! Please, somebody has to reduce the writing; this is just literally too much. Once this is considered, then we can find out if there is enough information to give it a separate article. It does have its own sets of bosses and enemies, plus, a really dumb plot, though. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:14, 15 February 2014 (EST)
Could I cancel this proposal? Pinkie Pie (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Where are Master Hand's sounds in the sound test?--NintendoFan369 (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
The origin of Wario's victory theme in Smash Bros series: EXPLAINED
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wario victory theme is the original track stylistically meant to match the sound/tone of WarioWare games. You should keep in mind that this jingle was created before Wario Land: Shake It actually came out or was even announced.
This melody would be repurposed for the song "Stonecavring City" in the latter game. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.171.13.145 (talk).
Where is an official source saying the victory theme is the original? It shouldn't be treated as a reference without confirmation, and like Ray Trace said, there's also the possibility it's the other way around since both games were developed at the same time. The interviewer in the reference on SmashWiki does claim that the fanfare is an arrangement of Shake It! (which makes me confused about the SmashWiki paragraph since it claims the opposite), but he was not involved in either game's development so I don't think this is reliable. And please sign your comments. MarioJC 11:43, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
The edvience of Stonecarving City music from Wario Land: Shake It being inspired by Wario's victory jingle in Smash Brawl is all there!
Check this link: https://archive.vgfacts.com/thread-2160.html It says that unlike everyone else's, Wario's victory flourish is completely original Untitled user (talk) 18:57, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
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Could somebody say how to unlock Dr. Mario and Luigi. YoshiFan 21:27, 4 November 2006 (EST)
For Luigi, play 800 Versus Matches. (There's another method, but it's complicated and I don't have time to explain it now.) For Dr. Mario, just beat Classic mode with Mario.Waluigi Freak 99 17:20, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Luigi is also unlockable by doing adventure mode and finishing the stage with a two in the seconds column (03:12:43). Luigi will then join the melee and kicks Mario away so he can fight you with Peach. Kill them both and Luigi's yours. But, next time, don't use the talk page for things like that on this wiki. Para YoshiWahoo! 17:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Rewrite
Anything still to be covered, or can the rewrite template be removed? Cobold 11:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
food
Food is from the Kirby series! Max2 (talk) in the Kirby games Kirby could eat various foods to increase his health. IF it says SSBM we should mention Kirby.
The trophy doesn't make any mention of the Kirby series. Besides, I believe there's at least one Pokémon food in the game, so I doubt all of it came from the Kirby series. --KPH2293 19:00, 6 March 2007 (EST)
According to the guide, Food's first appearance is in SSBM. PhoenixRider
I'm just saying, some of the food (cherries, soda/syrup lookin thing) are all Kirby while others (that white and black triangle-thing) is actually Pokemon (I think, maybe the TV show...) anyway, so not all of the food is Smash Original. and, they messed up before. Max2 (talk) listening to Onett theme on loop. Yay!
Or... maybe they are just regular food from no series in particular?Knife (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Exactly! but... the Cherries and soda/syrup holder-thing are Kirby. Max2 (talk) I am currently working in Operation:Fake Isyou. see Talk:Main Page for details.
That would be my guess, Knife. I think they're just generic food. Besides, cherries were also in Super Mario Bros. 2; that doesn't prove anything. PhoenixRider
The MediaWiki software has noted that the article is too long, which may cause editing problems with some browsers. It suggests splitting the article into several sections. It would be possible splitting the level information for the adventure mode and event matches to special pages. I also propose the Marioverse Character Moves to be removed. The characters' moves can be easily seen on their corresponding pages. - Cobold
I support removing the character's move, useless.
Gofer
I feel it may be a good idea to move the special attacks to each character's respective page, under an "Attacks" section, or something of the like. --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 15:54, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
The special moves have been moved to the characters' pages. However, the article is still tagged as too long. What parts of it should be moved to special pages? (see also Special Paper Mario Pages) Event matches? - Cobold
There is no need to do anything to page. It happens to all long pages, like the Mario page. To prevent this problem, people with bad browsers should consider editing section by section.Knife (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
I agree with Knife on this one. Just edit section by section, it isn't that hard. My Bloody Valentine
Wow, didn't know how old this comment is? Of course, now I'm thinking the same way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 03:18, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Descriptions of Characters, Items and Stages
Currently, only the Marioverse items have a short description on this page. Shouldn't there be some kind of short description for all items, and for characters and stages, too? Their articles then can go in-depth. Something like on Super Mario Strikers was on my mind. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:23, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
Why does Jigglypuffs box have her japanese name? - Ultimatetoad
The images are official artwork which was most likely released on some Japanese official website. We can't edit the names now. Also look at Bowser's name (Koopa). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:10, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
What you see there is (if I remember right) the result of the Japanese Nintendo site's edits. We never were given a plain artwork for the secret characters. Stumpers! 03:08, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
Event Matches table
We apparently do have a MediaWiki bug in there, because the borders don't display properly. The same table looks fine when only using the Show Preview mode. Anyone have a solution? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:23, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Isn't this the same thing that happened on my User Page? Well, kinda the same thing? My Bloody Valentine
There kinda the same.--Luigibros2 12:13, 25 November 2007 (EST)
New way to unlock Marth?
My friends and I were playing Super Smash when Marth suddenly came up (in VS, before Jiggs even) for no reason.
The memory was fairly new, but I think I know what happened: We got Marth by playing as all the defaults once. We played as Mario, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, DK, Link, Zelda/Shiek, Falcon, Fox, Pika, Ness, Kirby, the Ice Climbers, and Samus.
Someone wanna test this out? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).
Beating the Classic Mode with all default characters, or playing 400 VS matches.
So you didn't unlock him in one of those ways? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Nopes. We had only played ten-ish matches, so I figured it was the mthod I stated above. -Dodo
It won't help us much if we don't know what caused it. Also, it sounds like a bug. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Once again, the method that I stated above. If someone tried it, we'd know for sure. -User:dodoman
Wow, that's pretty neat. Probably a bug like Cobold said though, but I'll be sure to try that out. - Glitchman (talk · contribs)Glitchman
Okay, so I tried it a few times on different discs AND different Cubes (and one Wii), and it's worked each time. So, I can say that it is most definitely not a glitch. NMRodo
Why? A glitch can occur regularly and be on all discs and systems. Minus World appeared on all copies of the original Super Mario Bros. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Pffff, this is old new. Aside from playing a set number of VS match, you can unlock him by playing with each of the 14 starters characters at least once in VS mode, I unlocked him that way.
Blitzwing
If it's confirmed, you can add it to the section. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Event Articles
Umm, do you think the event matches should have their own articles? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopster 64 (talk).
Maybe one big article for all of them if the article gets too big? Stumpers! 15:54, 3 February 2008 (EST)
No, I don't think so. They are too minor. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:28, 4 February 2008 (EST)
I would agree with Stumper there. We have a List of Implied Characters about guys/creature that were only mentioned once throught the Mario series and then promplty forgotten. Since the events can sometimes feature things that are not anywhere else in the game (Dark Link for example), I think it would atleast make sense to have a list of 'em. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
Ehm, we do have a list of Event Matches on this very page? We already decided against creating articles on game modes (like "Classic Mode" or "Adventure Mode") because this would steal content from the pages of the games, making them superflous in the end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:25, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, 'K. Didn't see that list. --Blitzwing 07:30, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Stages icons
What happened to the series icons in the Stages section? --Trogga 15:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
I can't remember the article having them. I also don't think we should use any icons from Brawl on the Melee page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
But how are we going to identify the stages' series? --Trogga 17:23, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Is there a need for a sign? If people really don't know from what the stages are (I doubt that), they can check the stages' articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:38, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
The other lists have series identifiers. --Trogga 20:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Each description of the stage in the table lists the game the stage is from, so I see no need in repeating what is already there. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:19, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
We could actually save some space by doing that with the characters and items, no? Stumpers! 17:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Indeed we could. Would give the tables the same basic layout. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:21, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Dropped Characters
I recently removed the trivia section by integrating it into the article, and that brought a bunch of source-less content to Cobold's attention. He removed it, and I just wanted to let everyone know that I have no source for it either; I was assuming that someone else would. In other words, there's nothing I can do to fix the problem, so if you believe teh information to be true, please take care of it yourself. Stumpers! 21:38, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think they should be in the article between playable characters and playable stages, which actually appear in the game. The page Beta Elements exists for that kind of content, so unless we're going to split it up, we should add the (sourced) information there, not here. There could be a shorter statement about "dropped characters" in the Trivia section, with a link to Melee's section on the Beta Elements page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:40, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Whatever works best. Hmm... I do believe this is an opportunity to hunt down some information about the game's developement and make a section about that... but I wouldn't know where to look for that kind of information. Stumpers! 17:04, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
When you say you need information about the game's development, do you mean how the game was created, who created it, when stages and characters were announced to be playable, etc.?? Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Not that in-depth in terms of revealing game elements, but more like the production schedule of the game, yeah. Like how it was created, etc. There's a little about this on the Brawl "Iwata Asks" but that's all I know of. Oh, and there's a version of the DOJO! that focused on Melee on the Japanese Nintendo website, but's in in Japanese. Stumpers! 17:23, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
OK. Well I don't know exactly where you could find that kind of info, but if you google "Super Smash Bros. Melee World", that's the website where they used to post updates on Melee, like Dojo. Then you could also see Wikipedia. Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Brawl is just an english word. I don't think a random occurance on the box, which is not done by the game's creators but by marketing experts, means anything seven years afterwards. I'd remove that trivia. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm in the middle of making some sweeping edits to character descriptions. Character statistics (such as jumping height, weight, running speed) can generally be checked against this site. Ask me if you have any concerns, comments, and so forth. – Kamek!at the disco 15:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Master Hand Glitch
Should we mention the "Master Hand Glitch" where you can play as Master Hand? Please no replys like "You can play as Master Hand?! How?!" I just want to know if we should include this and take out the Master Hand part of the debug menu in trivia. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Glitch? I thought that happens if you hack the game. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:21, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
I found it on SmashWiki, I tried the glitch, and it worked. I was Master Hand without hacking the game. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Hey,
do you think that the 2002 April Fools joke that Sonic and Tails were unlockable characters (for SSBM) should be mentioned in the trivia of this article? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 17:59, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Ahem, guys, you are complete idiots. In my gameplay through Classic Mode, I never seen Marth at all, but I have seen Roy. I have changed the mistake, and you are welcome. Also, let me point out that Metal Link is the most common metal character in Classic Mode. SmasherLink (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2012 (EDT)SmasherLink
Since it's generally bad practice to rely on potentially opinionated written descriptions on the Mario Wiki, I was thinking that in lieu of those descriptions, we could use official descriptions of the playable characters from their [Smash] trophies, as those are the "official profiles" for each character that actually describe how they work in-game (as opposed to the non-Smash trophy, which gives a brief history lesson on each character). I was thinking we could just fit both [Smash] trophy descriptions into the playable character table, as two paragraphs. MarioComix (talk) 22:42, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
Master Hand
Did you know you can play as Master Hand using specific combination on the character select screen.The original ToadyBro (talk) 20:43, May 5, 2023 (EDT)
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All stages in the game can have their own page, according to the Importance Policy. Only info from Super Smash Bros. can be in these articles, and they must be placed in Super Smash Bros.-only categories. Remember, SSB is of secondary concern to this wiki. Mario is of primary importance. -- Son of Suns
Yes, but the Mario stage have a different look from other Mario games in this game. You didn't say anything about the images, which would be more helpful describing the stages than just words. Cobold 14:27, 10 February 2007 (EST)
Oh. Well those stages should have their own section in their respective articles (or get their own article). For example, the Peach's Castle section should have a section about SSB in the article, while the Mushroom Kingdom stage should have its own article, as the real Mushroom Kingdom is a political entity, not a level. This SSB page should probably just have links to those stage pages, instead of descriptions. The descriptions should be in the articles themselves. Images should then go in the stage articles. -- Son of Suns
Meant-to-be-in
Can someone give a source for all those characters who were meant to be in but left out? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:59, 12 November 2007 (EST)
King Dedede is confirmed through wikipedia. Bowser and Peach, I have no idea, but if we find Bowser, we find Peach. I don't know where the romor for Bowser and Peach is, but I know they were part of the same romour. I'll dig it up... --HyperToad 11:26, 8 December 2007 (EST)
I did here that Meowth actually was supposed to be in it. So was Mewtwo. Both removed. MegaMario9910
What's the source for the meant-to-be-in characters and the reasons for the cuts, actually? Don't cite Wikipedia, there everyone can edit, too. Beta Elements cites SmashWiki, but that's another Wiki as well. There's no source mentioned for the early voice cast, either. So, any reliable sources? By the way, Master Hand's artwork isn't from Super Smash Bros. --Grandy02 13:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I have added "citation needed" to several things since nobody answered. Better get reliable sources (NO wikis) or remove the info if it is false, because an article with such tags doesn't have to be featured. Also, can I remove the Kirby & The Amazing Mirror Master Hand artwork now? --Grandy02 09:14, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
List of characters
Is a complete list of the cameo characters really necessary, especially on the top of the article? We have List of Cameos for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:02, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
Such a list has been added to several articles (example). Agree with Cobold, espcially because such in-depth information shouldn't be on the top and also because it's redundant in this case. --Grandy02 13:31, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
It really doesn't make sense for the cameos in one game to be listed on two separate articles. Agree with Cobold on this one. Glitchman (talk · contribs) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
So, can the "Characters Appearing in This Game" list just be removed? --Grandy02 16:15, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
We shouldn't get rid of the whole section, but the "Cameos and Allusions" section, I scrapped, since you can't cameo in your own series. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I think it should go now, because every character in the list is already in another list in the article. It's simply redundant. --Grandy02 09:02, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
Delete this article?
I think we should delete this article because when you think about it, it's actually Kirby's game, not Mario. Ugozima 20:46, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, and there's four Mario characters (If you count DK and Yoshi) and another Kirby character didn't appear until Brawl came out. The only Kirby ties are with the creator and developers excluding Kirby himself, the Dream Land stage and any Kirby items. TIMMYTIM
Just so everyone knows Metal Mario and Master Handaren't playable in super smash bros. you can only play as them with gameshark or action replay. So all those videos on how to play as them are fake.gamer2.1 (talk)
And the article says just that. Metal Mario and Master Hand aren't listed under "Playable", but under "Bosses". -
Gabumon(talk) 23:30, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
Also that goes for the fighting polygon team too. Gamer2.1
Screenshots, please.
We need more screenshots for this article. Krizzy 06:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Bad Grammar
I noticed that the page has had some horrible grammar for a long time. May I edit it?--MarioMaster2011 19:23, 7 July 2011 (EDT)MarioMaster2011
Of course there's no rule stating you can't. Just edit it property.
L151
Pit?
Was it true that Pit was meant to be one of the unlockable characters on SSB, however due to the popularity of Pokémon, Jigglypuff replaced him as a unlockable character at the end? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 18:07, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Considering that there has been no response and that the only evidence I can find is that it came out after August 1999, can the date be hidden until something can collaborate this date? --Super Goku V (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2016 (EST)
I think I was about to respond, but I don't have any sources that can neither confirm nor deny it. If there isn't a source, you have to stick {{ref needed}} just to let readers know that the information is dubious. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:40, 9 February 2016 (EST)
Ah, thank you for responding. Based on what I can find, it definitely came out after August 4th of 1999, but dates after that get blurry quick. Currently, I would presume that the best way to confirm a date might be to find an Australian magazine that covered the game before it came out, but finding something that would help has not been going well. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2016 (EST)
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Could somebody say how to unlock Dr. Mario and Luigi. YoshiFan 21:27, 4 November 2006 (EST)
For Luigi, play 800 Versus Matches. (There's another method, but it's complicated and I don't have time to explain it now.) For Dr. Mario, just beat Classic mode with Mario.Waluigi Freak 99 17:20, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Luigi is also unlockable by doing adventure mode and finishing the stage with a two in the seconds column (03:12:43). Luigi will then join the melee and kicks Mario away so he can fight you with Peach. Kill them both and Luigi's yours. But, next time, don't use the talk page for things like that on this wiki. Para YoshiWahoo! 17:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Rewrite
Anything still to be covered, or can the rewrite template be removed? Cobold 11:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
food
Food is from the Kirby series! Max2 (talk) in the Kirby games Kirby could eat various foods to increase his health. IF it says SSBM we should mention Kirby.
The trophy doesn't make any mention of the Kirby series. Besides, I believe there's at least one Pokémon food in the game, so I doubt all of it came from the Kirby series. --KPH2293 19:00, 6 March 2007 (EST)
According to the guide, Food's first appearance is in SSBM. PhoenixRider
I'm just saying, some of the food (cherries, soda/syrup lookin thing) are all Kirby while others (that white and black triangle-thing) is actually Pokemon (I think, maybe the TV show...) anyway, so not all of the food is Smash Original. and, they messed up before. Max2 (talk) listening to Onett theme on loop. Yay!
Or... maybe they are just regular food from no series in particular?Knife (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Exactly! but... the Cherries and soda/syrup holder-thing are Kirby. Max2 (talk) I am currently working in Operation:Fake Isyou. see Talk:Main Page for details.
That would be my guess, Knife. I think they're just generic food. Besides, cherries were also in Super Mario Bros. 2; that doesn't prove anything. PhoenixRider
The MediaWiki software has noted that the article is too long, which may cause editing problems with some browsers. It suggests splitting the article into several sections. It would be possible splitting the level information for the adventure mode and event matches to special pages. I also propose the Marioverse Character Moves to be removed. The characters' moves can be easily seen on their corresponding pages. - Cobold
I support removing the character's move, useless.
Gofer
I feel it may be a good idea to move the special attacks to each character's respective page, under an "Attacks" section, or something of the like. --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 15:54, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
The special moves have been moved to the characters' pages. However, the article is still tagged as too long. What parts of it should be moved to special pages? (see also Special Paper Mario Pages) Event matches? - Cobold
There is no need to do anything to page. It happens to all long pages, like the Mario page. To prevent this problem, people with bad browsers should consider editing section by section.Knife (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
I agree with Knife on this one. Just edit section by section, it isn't that hard. My Bloody Valentine
Wow, didn't know how old this comment is? Of course, now I'm thinking the same way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 03:18, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Descriptions of Characters, Items and Stages
Currently, only the Marioverse items have a short description on this page. Shouldn't there be some kind of short description for all items, and for characters and stages, too? Their articles then can go in-depth. Something like on Super Mario Strikers was on my mind. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:23, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
Why does Jigglypuffs box have her japanese name? - Ultimatetoad
The images are official artwork which was most likely released on some Japanese official website. We can't edit the names now. Also look at Bowser's name (Koopa). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:10, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
What you see there is (if I remember right) the result of the Japanese Nintendo site's edits. We never were given a plain artwork for the secret characters. Stumpers! 03:08, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
Event Matches table
We apparently do have a MediaWiki bug in there, because the borders don't display properly. The same table looks fine when only using the Show Preview mode. Anyone have a solution? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:23, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Isn't this the same thing that happened on my User Page? Well, kinda the same thing? My Bloody Valentine
There kinda the same.--Luigibros2 12:13, 25 November 2007 (EST)
New way to unlock Marth?
My friends and I were playing Super Smash when Marth suddenly came up (in VS, before Jiggs even) for no reason.
The memory was fairly new, but I think I know what happened: We got Marth by playing as all the defaults once. We played as Mario, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, DK, Link, Zelda/Shiek, Falcon, Fox, Pika, Ness, Kirby, the Ice Climbers, and Samus.
Someone wanna test this out? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).
Beating the Classic Mode with all default characters, or playing 400 VS matches.
So you didn't unlock him in one of those ways? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Nopes. We had only played ten-ish matches, so I figured it was the mthod I stated above. -Dodo
It won't help us much if we don't know what caused it. Also, it sounds like a bug. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Once again, the method that I stated above. If someone tried it, we'd know for sure. -User:dodoman
Wow, that's pretty neat. Probably a bug like Cobold said though, but I'll be sure to try that out. - Glitchman (talk · contribs)Glitchman
Okay, so I tried it a few times on different discs AND different Cubes (and one Wii), and it's worked each time. So, I can say that it is most definitely not a glitch. NMRodo
Why? A glitch can occur regularly and be on all discs and systems. Minus World appeared on all copies of the original Super Mario Bros. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Pffff, this is old new. Aside from playing a set number of VS match, you can unlock him by playing with each of the 14 starters characters at least once in VS mode, I unlocked him that way.
Blitzwing
If it's confirmed, you can add it to the section. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Event Articles
Umm, do you think the event matches should have their own articles? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopster 64 (talk).
Maybe one big article for all of them if the article gets too big? Stumpers! 15:54, 3 February 2008 (EST)
No, I don't think so. They are too minor. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:28, 4 February 2008 (EST)
I would agree with Stumper there. We have a List of Implied Characters about guys/creature that were only mentioned once throught the Mario series and then promplty forgotten. Since the events can sometimes feature things that are not anywhere else in the game (Dark Link for example), I think it would atleast make sense to have a list of 'em. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
Ehm, we do have a list of Event Matches on this very page? We already decided against creating articles on game modes (like "Classic Mode" or "Adventure Mode") because this would steal content from the pages of the games, making them superflous in the end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:25, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, 'K. Didn't see that list. --Blitzwing 07:30, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Stages icons
What happened to the series icons in the Stages section? --Trogga 15:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
I can't remember the article having them. I also don't think we should use any icons from Brawl on the Melee page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
But how are we going to identify the stages' series? --Trogga 17:23, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Is there a need for a sign? If people really don't know from what the stages are (I doubt that), they can check the stages' articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:38, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
The other lists have series identifiers. --Trogga 20:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Each description of the stage in the table lists the game the stage is from, so I see no need in repeating what is already there. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:19, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
We could actually save some space by doing that with the characters and items, no? Stumpers! 17:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Indeed we could. Would give the tables the same basic layout. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:21, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Dropped Characters
I recently removed the trivia section by integrating it into the article, and that brought a bunch of source-less content to Cobold's attention. He removed it, and I just wanted to let everyone know that I have no source for it either; I was assuming that someone else would. In other words, there's nothing I can do to fix the problem, so if you believe teh information to be true, please take care of it yourself. Stumpers! 21:38, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think they should be in the article between playable characters and playable stages, which actually appear in the game. The page Beta Elements exists for that kind of content, so unless we're going to split it up, we should add the (sourced) information there, not here. There could be a shorter statement about "dropped characters" in the Trivia section, with a link to Melee's section on the Beta Elements page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:40, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Whatever works best. Hmm... I do believe this is an opportunity to hunt down some information about the game's developement and make a section about that... but I wouldn't know where to look for that kind of information. Stumpers! 17:04, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
When you say you need information about the game's development, do you mean how the game was created, who created it, when stages and characters were announced to be playable, etc.?? Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Not that in-depth in terms of revealing game elements, but more like the production schedule of the game, yeah. Like how it was created, etc. There's a little about this on the Brawl "Iwata Asks" but that's all I know of. Oh, and there's a version of the DOJO! that focused on Melee on the Japanese Nintendo website, but's in in Japanese. Stumpers! 17:23, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
OK. Well I don't know exactly where you could find that kind of info, but if you google "Super Smash Bros. Melee World", that's the website where they used to post updates on Melee, like Dojo. Then you could also see Wikipedia. Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Brawl is just an english word. I don't think a random occurance on the box, which is not done by the game's creators but by marketing experts, means anything seven years afterwards. I'd remove that trivia. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm in the middle of making some sweeping edits to character descriptions. Character statistics (such as jumping height, weight, running speed) can generally be checked against this site. Ask me if you have any concerns, comments, and so forth. – Kamek!at the disco 15:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Master Hand Glitch
Should we mention the "Master Hand Glitch" where you can play as Master Hand? Please no replys like "You can play as Master Hand?! How?!" I just want to know if we should include this and take out the Master Hand part of the debug menu in trivia. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Glitch? I thought that happens if you hack the game. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:21, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
I found it on SmashWiki, I tried the glitch, and it worked. I was Master Hand without hacking the game. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Hey,
do you think that the 2002 April Fools joke that Sonic and Tails were unlockable characters (for SSBM) should be mentioned in the trivia of this article? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 17:59, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Ahem, guys, you are complete idiots. In my gameplay through Classic Mode, I never seen Marth at all, but I have seen Roy. I have changed the mistake, and you are welcome. Also, let me point out that Metal Link is the most common metal character in Classic Mode. SmasherLink (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2012 (EDT)SmasherLink
Since it's generally bad practice to rely on potentially opinionated written descriptions on the Mario Wiki, I was thinking that in lieu of those descriptions, we could use official descriptions of the playable characters from their [Smash] trophies, as those are the "official profiles" for each character that actually describe how they work in-game (as opposed to the non-Smash trophy, which gives a brief history lesson on each character). I was thinking we could just fit both [Smash] trophy descriptions into the playable character table, as two paragraphs. MarioComix (talk) 22:42, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
Master Hand
Did you know you can play as Master Hand using specific combination on the character select screen.The original ToadyBro (talk) 20:43, May 5, 2023 (EDT)
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All stages in the game can have their own page, according to the Importance Policy. Only info from Super Smash Bros. can be in these articles, and they must be placed in Super Smash Bros.-only categories. Remember, SSB is of secondary concern to this wiki. Mario is of primary importance. -- Son of Suns
Yes, but the Mario stage have a different look from other Mario games in this game. You didn't say anything about the images, which would be more helpful describing the stages than just words. Cobold 14:27, 10 February 2007 (EST)
Oh. Well those stages should have their own section in their respective articles (or get their own article). For example, the Peach's Castle section should have a section about SSB in the article, while the Mushroom Kingdom stage should have its own article, as the real Mushroom Kingdom is a political entity, not a level. This SSB page should probably just have links to those stage pages, instead of descriptions. The descriptions should be in the articles themselves. Images should then go in the stage articles. -- Son of Suns
Meant-to-be-in
Can someone give a source for all those characters who were meant to be in but left out? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:59, 12 November 2007 (EST)
King Dedede is confirmed through wikipedia. Bowser and Peach, I have no idea, but if we find Bowser, we find Peach. I don't know where the romor for Bowser and Peach is, but I know they were part of the same romour. I'll dig it up... --HyperToad 11:26, 8 December 2007 (EST)
I did here that Meowth actually was supposed to be in it. So was Mewtwo. Both removed. MegaMario9910
What's the source for the meant-to-be-in characters and the reasons for the cuts, actually? Don't cite Wikipedia, there everyone can edit, too. Beta Elements cites SmashWiki, but that's another Wiki as well. There's no source mentioned for the early voice cast, either. So, any reliable sources? By the way, Master Hand's artwork isn't from Super Smash Bros. --Grandy02 13:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I have added "citation needed" to several things since nobody answered. Better get reliable sources (NO wikis) or remove the info if it is false, because an article with such tags doesn't have to be featured. Also, can I remove the Kirby & The Amazing Mirror Master Hand artwork now? --Grandy02 09:14, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
List of characters
Is a complete list of the cameo characters really necessary, especially on the top of the article? We have List of Cameos for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:02, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
Such a list has been added to several articles (example). Agree with Cobold, espcially because such in-depth information shouldn't be on the top and also because it's redundant in this case. --Grandy02 13:31, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
It really doesn't make sense for the cameos in one game to be listed on two separate articles. Agree with Cobold on this one. Glitchman (talk · contribs) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
So, can the "Characters Appearing in This Game" list just be removed? --Grandy02 16:15, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
We shouldn't get rid of the whole section, but the "Cameos and Allusions" section, I scrapped, since you can't cameo in your own series. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I think it should go now, because every character in the list is already in another list in the article. It's simply redundant. --Grandy02 09:02, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
Delete this article?
I think we should delete this article because when you think about it, it's actually Kirby's game, not Mario. Ugozima 20:46, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, and there's four Mario characters (If you count DK and Yoshi) and another Kirby character didn't appear until Brawl came out. The only Kirby ties are with the creator and developers excluding Kirby himself, the Dream Land stage and any Kirby items. TIMMYTIM
Just so everyone knows Metal Mario and Master Handaren't playable in super smash bros. you can only play as them with gameshark or action replay. So all those videos on how to play as them are fake.gamer2.1 (talk)
And the article says just that. Metal Mario and Master Hand aren't listed under "Playable", but under "Bosses". -
Gabumon(talk) 23:30, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
Also that goes for the fighting polygon team too. Gamer2.1
Screenshots, please.
We need more screenshots for this article. Krizzy 06:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Bad Grammar
I noticed that the page has had some horrible grammar for a long time. May I edit it?--MarioMaster2011 19:23, 7 July 2011 (EDT)MarioMaster2011
Of course there's no rule stating you can't. Just edit it property.
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Pit?
Was it true that Pit was meant to be one of the unlockable characters on SSB, however due to the popularity of Pokémon, Jigglypuff replaced him as a unlockable character at the end? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 18:07, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Considering that there has been no response and that the only evidence I can find is that it came out after August 1999, can the date be hidden until something can collaborate this date? --Super Goku V (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2016 (EST)
I think I was about to respond, but I don't have any sources that can neither confirm nor deny it. If there isn't a source, you have to stick {{ref needed}} just to let readers know that the information is dubious. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:40, 9 February 2016 (EST)
Ah, thank you for responding. Based on what I can find, it definitely came out after August 4th of 1999, but dates after that get blurry quick. Currently, I would presume that the best way to confirm a date might be to find an Australian magazine that covered the game before it came out, but finding something that would help has not been going well. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2016 (EST)
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