MarioWiki:Proposals

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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removals of previously added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Any user can support or oppose but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.
  • All proposals must pass by a majority, including proposals with more than two options.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and Writing Guideline Proposals must include a link to the draft page.
  2. Anyone can comment on proposals whether logged-in or not, but only registered users can create or vote on proposals.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of all votes cast must be for a single option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic proposal and Support/Oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined.


===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT. (14 days for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals)]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====


Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

Rules

  1. All active Talk Page Proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Discuss)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the Talk Page Proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
  2. All rules for Talk Page Proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in Talk Page Proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Talk Page Proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
  5. The Talk Page Proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  6. When a Talk Page Proposal passes, replace its deadline with "Passed" but do not remove it from the list below until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of Talk Page Proposals[edit]

None at the moment.

Writing Guidelines[edit]

None at the moment.

New features[edit]

Allow the upload of voice clips[edit]

So, I am a bit busy, but I will spend more time in the wiki, as how it was...OK, so, I was thinking about uploading some (NOT A LOT!) of voice clips, I mean, voice clips for people hear and see the difference between voice actors. Example: Upload a Peach voice clip from SM64 and one from SMG.

My idea is have a small number of voice clips: At least 5, at maximum 7. Some rules:

  • Voice clips may be ripped or VERY good recorded, witg.no background SFX.
  • Can't be longer than 2 seconds, with a few exceptions.
  • Pages that has 5+ voice clips per game should have a "List of Voice Vlips from "Game"/ List of characters voice clips".

useful places to get voices: the sounds resource, the kittycorps meowmix forums, MFGG, youtube.com

Proposer: Ashley and Red (Talk)
Deadline: August 26, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support[edit]

  1. Ashley and Red (Talk)Per proposal
  2. Pwwnd123 (Talk) Per proposal. It is a good idea.
  3. Toadbrigade5 (Talk) Yeah, I think it might be nice. It's not really that big a thing, but then again wynaut?

Oppose[edit]

  1. Ninelevendo (Talk) Ripping voices, while a very difficult and time consuming task, isn't practical. Creating a whole page that is only used for tiny voice clips is messy and sort of takes up lots of space (computer wise, not screen wise) for pretty small clips of a persons voice. And if you aren't going to do lots, I don't see a point making a small amount of them and then not continuing.
  2. Vommack (Talk) I don't see the practicality in this. It seems like we'd be going to too much work for very little content actually added to pages.
  3. 'Shroom64 (Talk) If there's a little, that makes for a small subpage, but if we do a lot in one, our computers will lag. Per all.

Comments[edit]

@Nineelevndo, I understand your oppose...or the major part it. If ripping is hard, it isn't mybproblem: who want to rip, rip. Who doesn't...doesn't rip. Also, most of them can be downloaded anywhere, you just need to credit the ripper. Also, I said a dmall amount because of PC lags. Got it? ;) AshleySmooth.png Ashley(and Red) Ashley WarioWare Touched.png

If we aren't going to do much of it, then I don't see a point in a major change at all if it isn't going to be actively used. - Ninelvendo.jpg BlueLightning.png 18:08, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
I understand. Maybe upload a few voice clips from alot of games should be better?AshleySmooth.png Ashley(and Red) Ashley WarioWare Touched.png
Given the similarity and sometimes out right sharing of sound resources within a given console generation, it'd suggest considering making one long clip per either system or voice actor that includes many/all samples we have. That is, "Mario's Voice, N64" would be the track name with every voice sample from the start of the N64 era to the end, or "Charles Martinet, 1995 - 2000" with same. -- Shyghost.PNGGhost JamShyghost.PNG 18:46, 19 August 2014 (EDT)

Just so you now, there's already a class of subpages for sound clips: "List of X media" pages (like this). Right now, it's only for games and whatnot, but I suppose if enough sound clips of a character are amassed, a subpage could be used for that. However I doubt that would ever be necessary, and it's not very ideal either. Uploading sound clips of voicework in of itself isn't a bad idea, tho: just be choosy about what's worth including. - Walkazo (Talk)

OK!AshleySmooth.png Ashley(and Red) Ashley WarioWare Touched.png

It may be nice to have voice clips, thing is, for all the Mario games that will come, the maximum of 7 is too low. I don't know anything on converting and stuff, but it could be nice to have them as .ogg files, just as musics. This way we could have, just like for the games page, a "List of Mario GFXs" and/or "List of GFXs from Super Mario 64". By the way, another reason for not supporting in Ninelevendo's. Why putting so effort for a such difficult thing to do when not so much people will hear it? But yes, I know that GFXs put a variety at the game and are nice to hear with music. P.S. I found a video glitch of MK8 where the music goes off and all the characters voices can be hearded, the ones when you select it. The link is www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJH3oTDwbE. Hope I helped you if the proposal pass :) World of Tsunami!

I would support if it was just "let voice file be uploaded", however, a subpage and limit makes lets this proposal down. - Ninelvendo.jpg BlueLightning.png 02:25, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
In fact, it would be nice to have them, but per Ninelevendo, I'm neutral. Opposing would mean no clips at all. World of Tsunami!

The majority of the users on this Wiki are on either Windows XP, Vista and 7 or Mac OS X. I'd see a lag if they were on something older let's say like Windows 2000 or Windows Me, 98 and 95 but that's very unlikely since barely anyone uses Windows 2000 or Windows 9X.I'd see that some people would receive a lag but that is if they were using an old piece of shit Windows 2000,9X or NT 4.0 PC.If someone were using Windows 2000 then this site would look all garbled up and shit like that though the chance is very unlikely for someone to use such older outdated and abandoned OSes. - Pwwnd123(talk|contributions) Windows logo 70 px.png

What has the majority of users using according to some random survey that you made up got to do with why we should allow voice clips that deserve a separate page? And Tsunami, opposing wouldn't mean that, it just means that it won't happen in the same detail given as the proposal states. I'm all for letting voice clips in, but a separate page, I'm not. - Ninelvendo.jpg BlueLightning.png 07:48, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
Well, the title says "Allow the upload of voice clips"... I thinked that support means can upload and oppose means can't upload. I probabily get it wrong. World of Tsunami!
The title states that, but the rules in the actual proposal say some things that I wouldn't agree with. - Ninelvendo.jpg BlueLightning.png
@Ninelevendo and 'Shroom 64, What I mean by my point is that if someone were to be using an older PC with an outdated abandonware OS like say Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 and Windows 9X then it may be a problem since they could barely even browse the Wiki or have trouble with clip playback or something. Besides that will all depend on their internet connection and how shitty their PC is. This is barely the case since almost everyone uses a modern OS like Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 or Mac OS X versions 10.6 to 10.9 or any Linux distro. You see this lag thing would make perfect sense if someone were using Windows 2000, Me, 98 and NT 4.0 or 95. So is my point very clear. It think allowing voice clips on here wouldn't be a problem. - Pwwnd123(talk|contributions) Windows logo 70 px.png
I agree, but the proposal states more than just allowing them. The idea of separate pages and a 2 second rule makes this proposal fail, but otherwise the idea behind it is great. - Ninelvendo.jpg BlueLightning.png 08:34, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Removals[edit]

None at the moment.

Changes[edit]

None at the moment.

Miscellaneous[edit]

None at the moment.