Talk:Flipper (gate)

NSMB

Aren't One-Way Flippers in level 2-3 of New Super Mario Bros.? Should they be mentioned here? Yoshi Pickle 20:13, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Probably since they are the same thing. Also probably talk about them being beta elements in NSMBW and them appearing in NSMB2YoshiGo99 21:00, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Alrite do you possibly have a picture of them being in NSMB2? Users usually want a picture to prove something isn't just a rumor in an upcoming game. Yoshi Pickle 21:10, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Do you know if One-Way Flippers might appear in New Super Mario Bros. U? Yoshi Pickle 21:19, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

IIRC they do appear in NSMB, however I'm not 100% sure. Master R.O.B. (contribs · edits) 21:25, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

As far as we know there are none in NSMBU but there is an image of a flipper in the NSMB2 gallery. It is in a cave with pow blocks and many other blocks. YoshiGo99 10:09, 7 July 2012 (EDT)

Split or move to another name?

Currently, I find it atrocious that we have three different articles that are entirely based on the exact same pinball element, although it's somewhat excusable due to the slightly different functions they have (one is controlled by the player, another is an obstacle that needs to be avoided, and this one is a one-way gate). That being said, while I'd love to have all three merged, I think we first need to discuss this particular iteration. In the Yoshi games (including Yoshi's Island DS and Yoshi's New Island, which are not covered here for some reason), there are two pink-and-blue flippers that close immediately after Yoshi gets through, but remain open so long Yoshi is standing within the flipper gate; these are also in Super Mario Advance 4 but in yellow. When we get to the New Super Mario Bros. games, however, we get a completely different (but still yellow) design that aren't at all flipper-like, and there's also only one of these standing instead of two. It's also noteworthy that the Japanese name for the NSMB iteration (as per the Japanese Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia) also translates to One-Way Gate, but the PRIMA guide for Yoshi's Island DS also refers to the pinball flippers as one-way gates. Interestingly, the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia calls the one from NSMB DS "One-Way Panel" and the one from NSMB2 "One-Way Flipper".

I would like to know what the guides for the other games call these things. Namely, any (officially licensed) Japanese Shogakukan guides for Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS, Yoshi's New Island, and Yoshi's Woolly World, as well as any (officially licensed) English Player's Guide or PRIMA guides for New Super Mario Bros. and New Super Mario Bros. 2, respectively. That way, we can determine whether or not it's worth splitting these two, as well as finding out what the most common or most recent name is so we can move it to that name. When all that is found out, then we can determine whether or not it's a good idea to merge all these pinball flippers (and specifically those; the NSMB gates don't apply here) together (and if not, they at least would have to be mentioned in a merged Flipper article). rend (talk) (edits) 07:47, May 17, 2025 (EDT)

It should be noted that the first two are called "One-Way Gate" and "Flipper" in Japanese, indicating they are separate. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:23, May 18, 2025 (EDT)

@PrincessPeachFan Uh, no actually; as I said before (and you would've known yourself too if you paid more attention to everything I said AND the NiOL section on our Flipper page), "One-Way Gate" specifically refers to the one from the New Super Mario Bros. games, NOT any of the Yoshi's Island games. If you look at the reference behind it on our Flipper page, it specifically cites "Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook", which is the original Japanese version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia (which covers absolutely NONE of the Yoshi games), and it also cites pages 118 and 199, which also aligns precisely with where the Items & Obstacles sections for New Super Mario Bros. and New Super Mario Bros. 2 (respectively) begin in the English localization of the book (although One-Way Panel and One-Way Flipper are on pages 119 and 200 respectively in the English book, as everything's re-sorted in alphabetical order there). That means we do NOT know what the Japanese name for the Flippers in the Yoshi series are, and that's just the thing I want to know about (well, that, and the English name for the NSMB one-way gates from other English sources). Maybe the Yoshi flipper DOES share its Japanese name with Flipper (Pinball), indicating that this article SHOULD be split, who knows! But you cannot just look at the NiOL section and just blindly believe that the names listed there apply to EVERY entity on the page; context is everything here. rend (talk) (edits) 09:16, May 18, 2025 (EDT)

Riiiiigggggghhhht. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:58, May 19, 2025 (EDT)

@PrincessPeachFan Alright, so I have the Japanese official guide for Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World in my possession, and to my delight, it does have a list of objects at the end, so we finally have a Japanese name for the Yoshi's Island flippers (at least, for that particular game)! It's "Stopper", which may not be the same as "Flipper", but it's also not the same as "Ippotsuku Gate" like you seem to believe. rend (talk) (edits) 12:59, July 11, 2025 (EDT)

Merge Flipper (Pinball) and Flipper (Mario Kart series) into general Flipper article and give this one a (gate) identifier

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Merge other Flippers and move original article 7-0
As I previously detailed above, I find it baffling that we have three (well, two and a half) articles based on the pinball flipper, and it's also kinda baffling that this was originally about the Yoshi's Island flippers back when the article was called "One-Way Flipper" but that the one-way panels from New Super Mario Bros. have been merged into it at a later point even though those don't look like pinball flippers at all, and the English version of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia adapted the conjectural "One-Way Flipper" name meant for the Yoshi's Island flippers, as the name for the New Super Mario Bros. 2 one.

I originally wanted to wait and/or find out until we knew what the Japanese names were for the Yoshi's Island series flippers specifically for a proper split, and I did ask LinkTheLefty for help, but I hadn't received any results yet since our conversation last month.

So for now, my current proposal is a bit more on the safer side: I propose to just merge Flipper (Pinball) and Flipper (Mario Kart series) into a general Flipper article, and move the current Flipper article to something like Flipper (gate) (since they're one-way gates and all), with the Yoshi's Island flippers still covered there.

Much like my Bumper proposal from earlier, I've drafted what this merged article would look like. The Yoshi's Island (and Mario Advance 4) flippers are still being kinda covered due to their resemblance of pinball flippers, but do direct viewers to the gate flipper article otherwise.

I feel that the merger would also see the deletion of Flipper (disambiguation); it already only hosts four links, but two of them will be merged into one while a third redirects to the Balloon Fight Flipper's entry on the list of Smash items

Proposer: Arend (talk)
Deadline: July 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Merge the two articles and move this one to Flipper (gate)

1. Arend (talk) Per proposal.
2. Salmancer (talk) Same stance as Bumper, per.
3. Rykitu Mushroom World (talk)
4. Sorbetti (talk) Per proposal.
5. Rainbow Road Drifter (talk) The platforming ones are visually and mechanically similar. The Pinball and Mario Kart ones greatly differ, both in function and appearance, and are clearly a distinct object, so they should be their own article.
6. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per all and like I said above, different Japanese names.
7. Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us. Per proposal.

Flippin' comments

@PrincessPeachFan I'm pretty sure Flipper (Pinball) and Flipper (Mario Kart series) share the same names, hence the merger. We only know that the Japanese name for the NSMB one-way panels are different (as they don't even look like pinball flippers anyway), but we still don't know the Japanese name for the Yoshi's Island flippers, and whether or not they are different from the other pinball flippers as well (as I told you multiple times in the above discussion). The YI flippers are only excluded from the merger because I'm keeping it safe for now. rend (talk) (edits) 13:48, June 20, 2025 (EDT)

Daita (talk) What a weird TPP. I should only merge Flipper (Pinball) and Flipper (Mario Kart series) instead of merging BOTH them and moving this page to Flipper (gate). Daita (talk) 21:50, June 21, 2025 (EDT)

When you think of "flipper", you are most likely going to think of the pinball flipper (especially since it's a recurring element in the Mario franchise it seems), and not of a one-way gate that only looks like a pinball flipper in one series and like something else (and presumably named something else too) in another. So we're giving the merged article priority over the one-way gate, it's hardly anything weird. rend (talk) (edits) 22:15, June 21, 2025 (EDT)

I think i should rename the one-way gate to Flip-Gate. Daita (talk) 15:26, June 30, 2025 (EDT)

...They aren't ever called "Flip-Gate"s, though? Unless we're missing something. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 15:31, June 30, 2025 (EDT)

...@Daita, we are not going to forego an official name for a fan-made one, it goes against policy. This is precisely why your Banzai Bill Cannon rename proposal failed spectacularly. rend (talk) (edits) 11:06, July 1, 2025 (EDT)

Split the NSMB one-way panel from this article

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split to hinged panel 1-8-0
So more than 10 years ago, the NSMB panels that appear in World 2-3 were being covered in this particular article; in fact, you can see discussion about this on the very top of this talk page. But much like spiked rollers to Spike Bars, snake jar snakes to Cobrats, and a whole lot of unrelated things to Bumper from Super Mario Maker, I think the two objects have been merged rather indiscriminately, and merely thought to be the same for function alone.

Now this may seem like something that would end just there, given how various things in the classic Yoshi's Island games look and sometimes act differently from their Super Mario incarnations. But the thing is, ever since this has been sitting with me for a couple months, I've been trying to do more research on these objects, since back in May, we only knew the English name(s) for the Yoshi's Island flippers, and only the Japanese name for the NSMB panels; given that the two objects look VERY differently and even don't act exactly alike, we NEEDED to do something about this lack of information, especially since the lack of the JP name for the YI flippers brought me to a point where I thought it'd be better to merge the YI flippers to other pinball flippers.

So I asked LinkTheLefty if they could look into the Japanese guides for Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS and Yoshi's New Island, and I also bout the English Player's Guide for New Super Mario Bros., the English Prima guide for New Super Mario Bros. 2, and the Japanese Kadokawa guides for Yoshi's Woolly World and Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World. While LTL agreed to look into it for those three guides, I still haven't heard back since I asked them in May... HOWEVER, I did get pretty significant results from the guides I purchased:

• The YI flippers in Yoshi's Woolly World and Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World are being referred to as ストッパー (Sutoppā, Stopper), which is VERY different from the Japanese name for the NSMB object (一方通行ゲート Ippōtsūkō Gēto, one-way gate)
• The English name for the NSMB object is referred to as "one-way panel" and "flip panel" in the NSMB guide, and "hinged panel" and "panel" in the NSMB2 guide; it had never been actually referred to as a flipper in any of those guides, with only the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia referring it as a "one-way flipper" in the NSMB2 section (which is definitely taken from our wiki, given that "One-Way Flipper" was the name given to this article since its creation back when it only covered the YI flipper, and NSMB2 coverage was added a mere two years later, three years before the English localization, riddled with stuff taken from our wiki, was published).

Now we still don't know the Japanese name for the object as it appears in Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS and Yoshi's New Island (in fact, LTL told me they recalled that the English Prima Yoshi's Island DS name of "one-way gate" was "strikingly accurate"), but I think all the differing names we have right now is enough evidence that the YI object and the NSMB object are not supposed to be the same thing (especially since the original Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia and the Japanese Kadokawa guide for Yoshi's Woolly World were released in the same month of October 2015); that, and some other things:

• The YI flippers all have this consistent design of being a pair of pinball flippers with a blue stripe and blue tip, typically also with a similar main coloration. Only in Super Mario Advance 4 has it been shown in yellow without a blue stripe or tip, but it otherwise still resembles the YI flippers
• The NSMB one-way panels also have a bit of consistent design with each of its appearances (a long, yellowish panel with a rounded tip and red-gradient arrow pointing to the direction it opens towards), which looks completely different from the YI flippers.
• The YI flippers always appear in pairs of two, and always open at the same time.
• The NSMB one-way panels tend to appear singularly and sometimes in pairs, and they act independently from each other (swinging open at a perfect 90°).

I'm presenting two support choices: either we name the NSMB panel's article "one-way panel" (more accurate to JP name, comes from Nintendo Power as opposed to Prima), or we name it "hinged panel" (most recent title, from post-Galaxy Prima era). I also created two drafts that show how the resulting split pages would look like.

Proposer: Arend (talk)
Deadline: August 8, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Split to "one-way panel" (NSMB1 name)

1. Arend (talk) Per proposal; primary choice

Support: Split to "hinged panel" (NSMB2 name)

1. Arend (talk) Per proposal; secondary choice.
2. Hewer (talk) This is the name preferred by the naming policy (more recent name from the same source priority tier)
3. Rykitu (talk) Per Hewer.
4. EvieMaybe (talk) per all
5. Salmancer (talk) Per Hewer
6. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per all.
7. PopitTart (talk) Per Hewer.
8. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.