Talk:Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions Spirit

So, I noticed that this page had been made earlier, but at the moment, this one's linked to as being a stat on the Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions navigation template. I haven't played the game myself, so I don't know if this is actually in the game or something that was added in by accident, but seeing as we're limiting our Super Smash Bros. coverage, and the Spirit stat is from a purely Mario game, shouldn't the stat one take priority over the Super Smash Bros. one, or should this at least be made into a disambiguation page and both moved to identifiers? I don't know about the game to be able to sort this out myself, but I wanted to know I this had crossed anyone else's mind, seeing as, assuming it's correct, the Spirit stat will need a separate article too. BBQ Turtle (talk) 13:00, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Already brought up on Mario jc's talk page. ^(T|C) 13:25, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Wasn't aware of the stat, thanks. Mario JC 22:35, 7 November 2018 (EST)

iirc, it's called "Minion Spirit" specifically. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:37, 7 November 2018 (EST)

No, it's just called "spirit". 23:03, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Musta been thinking in the cutscenes, then. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:08, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Unlocking criteria

Do we need a colomination "Unlocking criteria"? In addition to winning fights, would it contain at which stage of the World of Light or which tokens you need to create a given spirit? Or this section will not be needed now, only after the premiere? - Marcycin

I'd say wait until the game releases. ^(T|C) 14:38, 26 November 2018 (EST)

We do need an unlock criteria. Some spirits are spawned only through summoning, and you need particular spirit cores for them. Gold Mario, for instance, is spawned with Metal Mario + Super Mushroom + Fire Flower (or some other Mario powerup I'm getting wrong) and a certain amount of spirit points, and I haven't seen that spirit on the Spirit Board, so I'm guessing you don't fight it. Fighter Spirits are found only through shops and beating Classic Mode with a particular fighter, and they seem to be .dds files that do nothing. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:52, 19 December 2018 (EST)

There really should be a unlock criteria yeah, afaik some can be only bought in shops and theres like the lets go pikachu and eevee ones too Zachruff (talk) 19:12, 19 January 2019 (EST)

An unlock criteria column is a good idea, there's just the problem of the table being crammed with too many columns. Anyway I tried it and added it; it could certainly use some tweaks in the widths and whatnot, but that's about all I was able to do today. Mario JC 07:46, 23 January 2019 (EST)

Master Spirits and Support Spirit Streght

There is a problem - Master Spirits do not have the power level (novice, advance etc.) and their strength is always neutral. They also have their own powers, for example, after defeating Timmy & Tommy in WOL, you get access to the store. Do we need a separate tabel for them or something in this pattern?

The second thing - During the fight with, for example, Nico Fire shows that this is an attack spirit, I noticed that the spirits type Support. Should we write it on the wiki? - Marcycin

For the second one, that's the dominant power of the Support spirit you're battling, which isn't tied with the spirit once you acquire it.

Also, please check the links you add before leaving them; you left some red links with "3D Land (stage)" and "Kongo Jungle (stage)" when trying to link to 3D Land and Kongo Jungle (Super Smash Bros.) Mario JC 19:33, 5 December 2018 (EST)

2.0.0 spirits

2.0.0 is the most recent update, and I can't say for all of them but I'm pretty sure the pokemon let's go spirits came befere 2.0.0Pikmin theories (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2019 (EST)

never mind, forgot they were going to be added to the spirit board, maybe the update for the let's go save data should be added though.....Pikmin theories (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2019 (EST)

Alignment problem

I can't scroll left on the table to see the whole thing, plus, when I align it to the left, it goes into the top section. Help. NickGD (talk) 17:30, 3 July 2019 (EST)

Split page

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split by 500 entries 1-11-1-0
The loading time caused by the sheer amount of content on this page is absolutely infernal. It makes navigation extremely sluggish, which, needless to say, does a great disservice to readers. While the article size policy is explicitly not applicable to lists, I propose we make an exception here and divide this page into smaller lists, each with a (near) equal number of entries, where the remaining 13 entries are included in the lattermost list. Specifically, I propose the page is split by either 250 entries (as the page is currenly sectioned, would improve accessibility on individual lists), or 500 entries (in order to prevent a large volume of individual lists).

As for the titles these smaller pages should have, I suggest going with "List of spirits in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate" followed by the relevant number range in brackets. E.g.: "List of spirits in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (1001-1250)".

EDIT: LinkTheLefty (talk) suggested in the comments that the list be split between spirits from the base game and spirits that were added post-launch. Essentially, this means there would be a list with 1297 entries (ending at Risky Boots) and another with 216 (starting at Partner Pikachu)--a bit of a front-loaded arrangement, in my opinion, but I reckon it's still an obvious improvement over the current handling. I have added a new option with regard to this.

Proposer: Koopa con Carne (talk)
Deadline: March 30, 2022, 23:59 (UTC)

Split page by 250 entries

1. Koopa con Carne (talk) My choice.

Split page by 500 entries

1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal, but I'd rather have fewer individual lists since it helps with navigating.
2. Somethingone (talk) Por Preposal, though I think 250 is too small.
3. WildWario (talk) Per all.
4. Tails777 (talk) Per proposal.
5. Ray Trace (talk) I'd rather gut the nonMario related spirits entirely but sure. Even SmashWiki splits this up.
6. Archivist Toadette (talk) Per Ray Trace.
7. OhoJeeOnFire (talk) Per all. This is the only logical choice.
8. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all. I prefer splitting by 500 over 250, as I think it is best to have the fewest amount of individual lists possible, though I feel that splitting between base-game and post-release spirits would be too front-loaded and uneven. I am also not opposed to discussing potentially cutting some non-Mario related spirits in the future.
9. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.
10. Swallow (talk) Per all
11. PanchamBro (talk) Per all.

Split between base game spirits and post-release spirits

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) - Maybe there can be a follow-up to divide base game content further if it is still too large, but I personally think keeping all of the post-release content within one article at least makes the most sense as a tangible cut-off point.

Comments

This may be a stupid question, but are these spirits numbered like this in-game? Nightwicked Bowser 21:19, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

Yep. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 21:32, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

Would it still be too much if it was split between base-game and post-release? LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:56, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

Seems sensible enough. I discussed your suggestion in the proposal and added a new option in accordance to it. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:03, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

Wait we have a comprehensive list on every spirit ever which also includes their Spirit battles????!? And I thought Mario Kart Tour's tables were nightmarish enough. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:21, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

You're going to have an "uneven" amount regardless of whether you count the original base-game (1297) or current post-release (1513) totals. Keep in mind that there's always the possibility of Nintendo commissioning a handful of more promotional spirits in the future. Another organizational kerfuffle is that the series representation is all over the place when you factor the post-release spirits (i.e. Pokémon, Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Final Fantasy, Xenoblade Chronicles, Metroid, and Street Fighter spirits), whereas base-game spirits were neatly grouped together along with other spirits of their respective series. If you divide the spirit pages by 250 or 500, there are going to be even more awkward breaks between series than what was originally presented. Since the 500 entries option has overwhelming support, here's what I propose that would each be around or under that number: entries 1-406 as the first page (ends right before base Pokémon which would otherwise push the first article over 500), entries 407-863 (ends at Animal Crossing and wraps up the bulk of series representation up until Brawl), entries 864-1297 (Nintendo 3DS to current fighters), and entries 1298-present (the randomly-assorted, messy post-release period). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:20, March 17, 2022 (EDT)

Admittedly, my use of "uneven" was probably inaccurate, as I am fully aware that it is impossible for the lists to be truly even. My main issue with splitting it between base-game and post-release spirits is the fact that one page would still have over 1,000 entries, which I do not think would properly fix the length issue. However, I do understand the argument of related spirits being split up, so I would be willing to consider your proposal to fix that issue. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 18:21, March 17, 2022 (EDT)

This could definitely work as a follow-up proposal, the crux of which builds upon the outcome of the one at present. My proposal, more than anything, is orientative towards a general quantum of entries on a page. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:49, March 18, 2022 (EDT)

Reduce the list to only Mario-relevant spirits

Considering that the trophies list was cut down to just Mario-relevant trophies for each Smash game, do you think we should do the same for the spirits? 104.28.79.136

A point of contention is that the spirit fights, some of puppet fighters these .dds files represent include Mario characters (the Mole from Mole Mania using the green Mario puppet fighter for instance). We could restrict it to both spirits from the Mario series and the spirits whose fights use Mario and Mario-adjacent puppet fighters. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:20, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

New Spirits

New Spirits were announced. They are Rauru, Deep Cut, Noah & Mio, and Oatchi. OngoingTalent13 (talk) 20:19, January 11, 2024 (EST) Rauru is #1514, Deep Cut is #1515, Noah & Mio is #1516, and Oatchi is #1517. OngoingTalent13 (talk) 15:14, January 12, 2024 (EST)

Mario-related spirits

I know the reasons why we cover every spirit here, but personally, I think we should give the Mario-related ones a special covering. For example, when I am occasionally searching for info here, what I am looking for is exclusively Mario -related spirits, but as they are mixed with other media spirits, it is difficult sometimes to find the one I need. I think there is a very easy way to solve this: create a separate page that groups every Mario-related spirit. Does this idea sound good? Sorbetti (talk) 01:51, March 29, 2026 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to covering the Mario series spirits in their own article. But I will for sure remain on the stance of keeping the rest overall. Tails777 Talk to me!

Would this need a proposal, or can it be just implemented? Sorbetti (talk) 02:53, March 29, 2026 (UTC)

It would be best to start a proposal. I personally feel actions like that would be better enacted from a proposal. Tails777 Talk to me!

Make a page exclusively for Mario-related spirits

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Current time: April 6, 2026, 10:00 (UTC)

Most of the time when I look for information related to this game, it is exclusively about Mario-related spirits. However, because the wiki covers all spirits, it has the Mario-related spirits mixed with the normal spirits ordered by their numbers. Although this is obviously not bad, and I am very aware of the reason why we cover the other spirits, I think we should prioritize the Mario-related spirits over the other spirits to a certain extent, as we are the SuperMarioWiki. That's why I came up with the idea of creating a page exclusively for all Mario-related spirits, so that we can find more specific information easily. The spirits are going to be ordered by their numbers. And the votes are going to be divided into two options: the first will not include crossover characters like Sonic or Link. The second is to add the crossover characters in their own section on the page.

I added a new option based on the suggestion of Hewer in the comments.

Proposer: Sorbetti (talk)
Deadline: April 15, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Create the page without crossover characters (Option 1)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per proposal.

Create the page with crossover characters (Option 2)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per proposal.

Put the Mario-related spirits on the main page (Option 3)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per Hewer in the comments.
2. SeanWheeler (talk) Better to have the Spirit page focus on the Mario spirits.
3. Hewer (talk) My idea is to have every Mario/Donkey Kong/Yoshi/Wario franchise spirit on the main spirits page, while keeping the split list pages for the full list of spirits. Since the main page currently has spirits 1501–1528 that were leftover in the split, these would be moved to the end of this page instead, which would be renamed to "List of spirits in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (1001–1528)".
4. Spirit #822 (I... am R.O.B.) Per all, especially Hewer, and consistency with the Assist Trophy page.
5. Wilben (talk) Per all. This option seems the most logical to me.

(Comments)

My preferred solution would be to put all the Mario spirits on the main page (in the list of spirits section), to make things easier to navigate. I don't think we need multiple split list pages that list the same spirits as each other. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 02:34, April 1, 2026 (UTC)

This would be similar to what we do on some other Smash pages, like sticker and Final Smash. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:19, April 1, 2026 (UTC)

@Hewer I added a new option.. Sorbetti (talk) 21:29, April 1, 2026 (UTC)

Can't we cut out the non-Mario Spirits that didn't possess Mario fighters and merge the list with the main page? There could be a link to Smash Wiki's List of Spirits (complete list) for readers who want the full list. SeanWheeler (talk) 19:42, April 2, 2026 (UTC)

The reason non-Mario spirits are covered is mainly because many have Mario elements in their corresponding spirit battles. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:54, April 2, 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, but there are many spirits that have nothing to do with Mario. For example, Piplup's Spirit Battle is a match against four Squirtles in the Garden of Hope with the Wild Pokémon theme from Diamond & Pearl playing. Garchomp is a purely Pokémon themed Spirit Battle. Ninten is just an Earthbound Spirit Battle. The Fighter Spirits are only obtained through Classic Mode and the Shop in the Vault, and they're not even equippable, so the Fighter Spirits for non-Mario fighters have no relevance to this wiki. We've already reduced the list of trophies and stickers to the ones relevant to the Mario series. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:47, April 2, 2026 (UTC)

Several past proposals over the years (here, here, and here) have decided in favour of keeping non-Mario spirits. Let's stay on-topic for this particular proposal. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:50, April 3, 2026 (UTC)