Talk:Red

Identifier

Would it be worth giving Red the main priority rather than an identifier? He is a playable character in Get It Together! and a recurring character throughout the franchise. The only other entries listed on Red are a minor NPC in Super Paper Mario, Virus (which doesn't split Red, Yellow, and Blue), Redd (a similarly named minor NPC in Color Splash), and an alternate name for Pokémon Trainer, who doesn't even have an article anymore. MarioWiki:Article naming says the priority should go to the more "likely to be linked to or searched" one, and I think it makes sense to give it to a supporting character who's appeared in every WarioWare game since Touched! Scrooge200 (talk) 02:56, June 23, 2024 (EDT)

In this case, I say yes because the WarioWare guy is the more likely if he has his own article. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:57, June 26, 2024 (EDT)

I disagree on the basis Virus Red was a part of Dr. Mario World's marketing cycle for the entirety of that game's existence The text posts Red's posts signed off with his name. so people know one Virus is called Red. Constantly being tweeted about for give or take two years has to count for something. Salmancer (talk) 12:26, January 24, 2025 (EST)

I disagree with Salmancer, Red from WarioWare is older than those tweets and Salmancer is just trying to give the Red Virus attention (and also, he's trying to remove the league parameter). Alphabetlorefan2003 (talk) 09:53, June 30, 2025 (EDT)

The older topic has lost the battle for being the page on a topic more than once. First thought goes to Fireball (Donkey Kong), which predates Fireball. MarioWiki:Article naming#Shared titles also doesn't mention a clause that the older subject is favored, only the one that is the most prominent. It basically comes down to "Which series is more prominent, WarioWare or Dr. Mario?", and I'm biased toward not answering that question at all because I don't like saying one series is more important than the other. Also, "Red (Dr. Mario World) is Red Virus is Fever (Virus)", to which I mean this wiki organizes all of these things as one subject with a variable name and not as different subjects. If the argument is that age matters then Red (Dr. Mario World) is older than Red (WarioWare).

I'm not sure what the existence of the league parameter of Template:Minigame infobox has to do with naming this article.

On an unrelated note, I think Red (Dr. Mario World) might end up getting their own article in the upcoming proposal aiming to split colored enemy variants. (Thank/blame Superstar Saga for giving the viruses mechanical differences.) The virus lacking an dedicated article is currently a point in favor of the demon getting the title without an identifier, but if the virus gets a dedicated article then it would nullify the point. Salmancer (talk) 11:20, June 30, 2025 (EDT)

This should be a proposal, a talk page proposal in this case, since we are not getting new messages and we're certainly not reaching a consensus. Alphabetlorefan2003 (talk) 09:14, October 21, 2025 (EDT)

Move Red (WarioWare series) to simply Red

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Move 11-0
With this article having the move suggestion tag for almost two years now, I think it's about to finally settle this with a proper talk page proposal.

As mentioned above, Red is a playable character in WarioWare: Get It Together! and a recurring character throughout the WarioWare series. Meanwhile, the only other subjects listed on the Red disambiguation page are a minor NPC in Super Paper Mario, Redd (a similarly named minor NPC in Color Splash), an alternate name for Pokémon Trainer (who doesn't have an article anymore), and Virus (which doesn't split the different colored variants). Per MarioWiki:Article naming, the priority should go to the more "likely to be searched for or linked to", so it would make sense for a supporting character who has appeared in nearly every WarioWare game since Touched! to get top priority of the name.

However, as also mentioned above, one of the Viruses has officially been referred to as "Red", evident by said Virus being a part of Dr. Mario World's marketing cycle for the entirety of the game's existence, with the Virus' posts being signed off with his name "Red", meaning people know one Virus is named "Red". There's also the fact that, due to Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga giving the different colored Viruses mechanical differences, the different colored viruses (specifically Blue, Red, and Yellow) should be split into their own articles.

My counter-argument is, as far as I'm concerned, the Red Virus is only referred to as simply "Red" in promotional material surrounding Dr. Mario World rather than the game itself, and as per MarioWiki:Article naming, the most recent in-game name should take highest priority. In the case of the Blue, Red, and Yellow Viruses, there most recent in-game names would actually be from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, where they are named Blue Virus, Red Virus, and Yellow Virus respectively, meaning if or when the Blue, Red, and Yellow Viruses get their own dedicated articles, those are the names that they should use instead.

With all of that in mind, I think it makes perfect sense for Red from the WarioWare series to dismiss the "WarioWare series" indicator and simply go by "Red" for the article name, as every other subject with the same name is either a minor NPC in an RPG (i.e. Red from Super Paper Mario and Redd from Paper Mario: Color Splash) or an alternate name for a character who doesn't even have a dedicated article (i.e. Pokémon Trainer), nor should said character go by simply "Red" if they were to be given their own dedicated to begin with (i.e. Red Virus).

On an unrelated note, Blue by itself pertains to the character from Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!, instead of being a disambiguation page between said character, the Blue Virus from the Dr. Mario series, and the status effect from Paper Mario: Color Splash, so if we're going by the logic that Red from the WarioWare series needs the identifier due to the Red Virus, then surely the same would have applied to the Donkey Kong character as well by now.

Proposer: Wilben (talk)
Deadline: March 24, 2026, 23:59 GMT Closed early on March 17, 2026, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Wilben (talk) Per above.
2. EvieMaybe (talk) per proposal.
3. Rykitu (talk) Per proposal.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us, and everything here checks out. It even considers the nuances of if the enemy color split thing is implemented!
5. janMisali (talk) Per all.
6. Cloudwalker (Support series) (talk) Per all.
7. Keegster2 (talk) Per proposal. (Geez, this article's had the {{move}} template for nearly 2 years?!)
8. Hewer (talk) Makes sense to move. The subject without the identifier should be the one that is "more likely to be searched for or linked to", and while I'm not sure if you could argue that Dr. Mario viruses are more well-known than the WarioWare character, the Dr. Mario one only used the name "Red" in Dr. Mario World and its marketing, as far as I'm aware. So the question is whether it's more likely for a user searching "Red" to be familiar with the main cast of any WarioWare game since Touched, or the marketing of a mobile game that's been defunct for longer than it was available.
9. The Dark Lord (AltendoWare series) Per all.
10. BMfan08 (disambiguation) (talk) Per all.
11. Brett (talk) Per all.