Talk:Ken (Street Fighter)

Merge into List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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Keep Ken's article and create an article for E. Honda 5-9-0
His only appearance in Super Mario medias, outside the Super Smash Bros. series, is a single panel in a comic. His role in the story is just as minor as E. Honda's, and the latter doesn't have his own article. Therefore, I believe Ken should only be in a section of the article List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
First edit : as proposed by Arend, I added an option to create an article for E. Honda.
Second edit : for clarification, my main issue isn't that it's inconsistent to have an article for Ken but not for E. Honda doesn't, but it's that Ken's role in this comic is too minor to allow him to have an article on this wiki. I only talked about E. Honda for comparison.

Proposer: Brett (talk)
Deadline: June 8, 2026, 23:59 (UTC) Extended to June 15, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support

1. Brett (talk) Per proposal.
2. Hewer (talk) Per my comment. Ken and E. Honda both appear in only a single panel of the comic and have no role except sharing a speech bubble with three other characters. In contrast, the other four Street Fighter characters (Zangief, Chun-Li, Blanka, and Dhalsim) appear in multiple panels and have an actual role in the comic's plot, as all of them fight Mario in the tournament. I don't really think it's fair for this single-panel cameo to warrant an article when more involved stuff like WarioWare microgame appearances, Mystery Mushroom costumes, and animated movie intros don't.
3. Okapii (talk) Per Hewer, a one-panel cameo shouldn't warrant a full article imo.
4. Dive Rocket Launcher (talk) Per all. Ken isn't plot-relevant like other SF characters are, so he does not "make at least one appearance within the Super Mario franchise that is playable, interactable, or plot-relevant".
5. Wilben (talk) Per Hewer and Dive Rocket Launcher.

Oppose (Create an article for E. Honda)

1. R. Ohbee (talk) Per the proposal that split it in the first place, and particularly Tails777, Shadow2, and Camwoodstock's votes.
2. Rykitu (talk) Per R.O.B. and the comments.
3. Illuminoid (talk) Per all.
4. LinkTheLefty (talk) Some of the list entries are bit of a misnomer, and if they didn't "debut" there, then they didn't debut there. I'm also fine with giving an article to a character who had a similar role.
5. Shadow2 (talk) We just undid him being merged into that page and now you want to undo the undo? We give a full page to Dhalsim, Chun-Li and Blanka, and should probably give one to E. Honda too. Ken deserves one more than they do.
6. Ahemtoday (talk) Per all.
7. ILoveBFDI1215 (talk) We're doing this again? I was literally the person who requested his page be separated. If characters like Slime and Chucky have pages who only appear in two and piece of Mario media then there's no reason Ken can't have a page.
8. Axii (talk) Per all
9. Nelsonic (talk) Per.

Comments (Move to the list of SSBU fighter)

The proposal that got Ken split, for reference. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:09, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

The proposer argued that Ken deserves to have his own page because the other fighters appearing in this comic does, but that not really a good argument. Unlike Zangief, Chun-Li, Blanka and Dhalsim, Ken doesn't contribute meaningfully to the plot since he doesn't fight Mario. Notice how E. Honda is the only other one to appears in the comic without fighting Mario, and yet he doesn't have his own page ? Brett (talk) 12:52, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

To be fair, Shadow2 stated in that very same proposal that it's weird to leave out not only Ken, but E. Honda as well. Maybe also include an option to make an E. Honda article? rend (talk) (edits) 12:55, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

Also in that proposal, it was unanimously agreed that Captain Falcon being in one panel of a comic wasn't enough to give him an article. And similarly, Ken and E. Honda only appear in one panel in this comic and don't fight Mario or otherwise contribute to the plot, unlike the other four Street Fighter characters that appear. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:02, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

Ken has a speaking role, Captain Falcon does not. Shadow2 (talk) 14:07, May 30, 2026 (UTC)

A "speaking role" that consists of a single speech bubble shared with four other characters. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:48, May 31, 2026 (UTC)

Maybe Captain Falcon can get an article. ILoveBFDI1215 (talk) 02:19, June 11, 2026 (UTC)

By the way, if this article does stay split, it should be moved to "Ken (Street Fighter)" rather than "Ken Masters". I don't think he's ever referred to by name in the comic (and even if he was, it would be low priority due to being a non-English source), so the only Mario-related appearance to name him is Smash, in which his name is just "Ken". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:58, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

@LinkTheLefty: I don't think I fully understand your vote reasoning. You seem to be referring to the fact that the titles of the fighter list articles use the word "debuting", even though that's obviously referring to when they debuted in Smash as "fighters", not when they debuted as characters overall. Almost all Smash fighters didn't debut as characters in Smash. Even if there was a problem with the titles (which I don't see that there is), how does that even relate to this proposal? Why would splitting Ken help to solve this? Surely the solution would be to just rename the articles?
@Shadow2; Why does Ken "deserve" an article more than the characters who actually have a role in the comic's plot? We're meant to be judging this based on the characters' relevance to Mario. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:58, May 31, 2026 (UTC)

@ILoveBFDI1215: Slime is playable in three Mario games, while Ken appeared in a single panel of a single comic. How are they comparable? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 00:14, June 11, 2026 (UTC)

I don't mean to be rude, but I wonder if there should be some kind of process for removing votes that are poorly justified... this is a pretty glaring flaw in the argument, and the voter hasn't said or done anything about it. Dive Rocket Launcher 08:31, June 13, 2026 (UTC)

I know I'm late on this and I hate that I forgot about it to put a reply on her, but Ken is more well known than the slime. Don't have that much to say about it. ILoveBFDI1215 (talk) 02:09, June 16, 2026 (UTC)

That wouldn't be relevant even if it was true. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:47, June 16, 2026 (UTC)