Talk:Fourth wall

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I have a question about that one in Super Mario World. If coins are spelling a message to the player, is that really breaking the fourth wall? It's not a character who knows they're in a video game. It might just be a message from Nintendo. Anyone agree? Disagree? Orangeyoshi. Sorry about not signing before.

Sign your comments. Also, it breaks the fourth wall still because its a message from Nintendo to the player... papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! papertoycf7.gif ...yeah.

That counts as breaking the fourth wall? It's not just when the character does it? Oh well. Now I know.Orangeyoshi 20:43, 9 January 2008 (EST)... wait, there's something else. I just beat the game in Super Mario World (well actually, the GBA version), and at the ending party at Yoshi's house, I'm pretty sure Princess Peach was waving to me. Has anyone else noticed this? Beacause it should be in that section, as well as the row of coins. Orangeyoshi 07:56, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I'm not sure, I do have the game (GBA), but I never noticed it.No, wait, I remember that everyone was waving yeah, remember that when they gather at the tree house and peach is waving and Mario and Luigi had 2 fingers up...MP3 GoldenMushroom.png--Super mario fan 12:03, 20 January 2008 (EST)Super mario fanPeteyPiranhafliying.gif

Orangeyoshi 20:51, 21 January 2008 (EST) Yep, that's right. But we don't know if that happens in the original-- it probably does, but I don't have the guts to put it in myself. (Go to Talk: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, and you'll see why not.)

I could do it. MP3 GoldenMushroom.png --Super mario fan 15:38, 22 January 2008 (EST)Super mario fanPeteyPiranhafliying.gif Hey, in Super smash bros. melee, when a player gets smashed into the T.v. screen, does that count as a fourth wall? MP3 GoldenMushroom.png --Super mario fan 18:09, 24 January 2008 (EST)Super mario fan PeteyPiranhafliying.gif

I guess so. (Actually, it would be breaking the fourth T.V. screen!) By the way, do we know that the Peach-waving-Mario-Luigi-two-fingers-up thing doesn't happen in the original? We'd have to ask someone who played the original. Orangeyoshi


In Mario kart DS/Wii the blooper is atacking the character because they go all black. (Covered with inky stuff)---More news from Shadow Yoshi)

I agree. It's probably showing ink to show what the character is seeing, and to have use for the item. I'll change it now. Fludd 14:22, 17 July 2008 (EDT)


This article is good, very comprehensive, but something seemed strange...

"Thanks so much for-to playing my game."

I've listened to it before, but, really? "For-to" just sounds... not like it. Crystal Batamon 14:17, 9 September 2008 (EDT)


You list some things in here even if they are not part of the game. This list isn't listing sure fourth wall breakings but possible fourth wall breakings. What about fixing this list?--Inuyasha Zero 13:27, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

How so? I don't see a single "possible" fourth wall breaking. Fludd 18:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

One of the possiblies: Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour. SWFlashSWFlash.svg

Another possible fourth wall breaking is in the early Luigi's Mansion. Are you sure Luigi is looking at the player? he could just be looking back at the door. SMB3 Smallmario.pngMariokidSMB3 Smallmario.png (talk) 22:10, 6 February 2016 (EST)

Name Change?[edit]

Why don't we change the name to "Breaking the Fourth Wall"? It is that way on Bulbapedia (not to compare us to other wikis) and "Fourth Wall" describes the wall itself not the fact that the characters are breaking it. (is there a wall itself? English is confusing!) MSS Pianta Artwork.png Bowser's lumaParatroopa NSMB artwork.png 23:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Um, fourth wall is fine. Its that way on wikipedia which is much more official, and its much easier to type anyways. 22360415-149x149-0-0 ++The+SpongeBob+SquarePants+Movie.jpg Boo der dash 180px-MaskedDedede.png


I've just noticed. I don't think that referencing Luigi's Mansion is breaking the fourth wall. After all, it doesn't mean that the pianta knows that he's in a game. - User:TheREALKingK

Koops breaks the fourth wall[edit]

In Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door, Koops breaks the fouth wall after you beat Doopliss. He says "Sort of easy for a boss battle as it were." Is that considered breaking the fourth wall? Tails777 (talk)

Definitely. You should add that in. Mariomaster228 (talk)

Super Mario Galaxy/2[edit]

Luigi actually just says "thank you for playing my game." at the end of the credits, should I change it? L is real 2401 07:45, 16 August 2011 (EDT)


Can we put images about the fourth wall breaking? (i.e A screenshot of "YOU ARE A SUPER PLAYER!!" from Super Mario World, "THANK YOU" from Super Mario 3D Land, the ending screen of Mario Kart 7, etc.)

21:04, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

We should. It would help with proof and stuff like that. YoshiHeadSSBU.png Tails777 Talk to me!SSBUStockIcon - Robin.png

Hanging off a D[edit]

In the credits of New Super Mario Bros. 2, Roy Koopa hangs off the D of EAD. Is this breaking the fourth wall?

Could you provide an image of this, to give more context? Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Alright. But not today, my camera is missing. ~~Koopakoolklub

The Long Awaited[edit]

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Here. I will retake it if it's not good enough. BowserJrPaperJam.gifTriple K, Skye 20:28, 8 March 2014 (EST)

It definitely is. Any time you break the names or do crap with the names, that's breaking the fourth wall, certainly. BabyLuigiFire.png Ray Trace(T|C) 20:30, 8 March 2014 (EST)

Alright! Time to edit! BowserJrPaperJam.gifTriple K, Skye

WOAH, Hey! Then the credits of New Super Mario Bros. Wii is breaking the fourth wall as well! BowserJrPaperJam.gifTriple K, Skye 21:22, 8 March 2014 (EST)

Super Mario 64[edit]

Are you sure that Mario is looking at the player? I always thought Mario is looking at the Lakitu cameraman in the sky. 21:42, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

Toadette break the fourth wall[edit]

In the ending credits of the game Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Toadette break the fourth wall when Captain Toad go for the green star. She look at the screen and say "Oh no!". Maybe we put this on the article. --LudwigVon (talk) 10:10, 18 January 2015 (EST)

Add it in the article then. But don't forget to use correct grammar. --Dfrthyui (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2015 (EST)

Luigi's Mansion 2 cover?[edit]

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Do you reckon that the cover of Luigi's Mansion 2 breaks the fourth wall? He's peering round the strip at the edge of the box that says Nintendo 3DS, and his fingers actually go right around it. BBQ Turtle (talk) 15:28, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom[edit]

I just had a thought..... the talking "Peach" at the beginning of Superstar saga and it's remake..... Isn't that kind of breaking the fourth wall? I mean the game kind of aknowledges the text boxes (as the bombs fall out of said boxes and actually explode)Pikmin theories (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Looking at the screen[edit]

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I'm thinking we should start trimming down instances of characters looking at the screen as fourth wall breaking. Two of the examples that stood out to me are victory animations where the character looks at the screen in the Mario Golf series, and Paper Mario giving a thumbs up to the screen after an excellent action in Paper Jam (note that he makes this pose in other Paper Mario games and it isn't mentioned). Basically, I just think we should use our judgment and the context a bit more in these cases. --MK8DX Waluigi Icon.png Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 17:04, May 3, 2020 (EDT)

Seconded, this is a problem with a lot of "trope" articles on the wiki, they attract examples with very "people sit on chairs" energy (or in this specific case, probably "the aside glance exists"). I've given thought to pruning some of these articles for that reason and have done so already in a few cases. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 04:21, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
Thirded. RickTommy (talk) 06:28, May 4, 2020 (EDT)

I think this article should mainly stick to stuff like the "you in front of the TV" from TTYD or the cracking the screen from Superstar Saga & Dream Team. Mario Sakuraba (talk) 06:35, May 4, 2020 (EDT)

Patch it in ya cowards[edit]

would this be counted as breaking the fourth wall? Around the end of Origami King, after Luigi falls down the trap door Mario fell through in the begining if instead of following Peach you go to the door on the right (left leads to where Luigi's wall came from) the door will be open and Boswer says there's probably nothing on the otherside before saying patch in the rest of the castle. now unless I'm missing something, and the way he says it. it kind of seems like he's talking to the developers, telling them to update the game.Pikmin theories (talk) 23:26, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

(The quote in question) I think so since it wouldn't make as much sense in-universe. Zero Suit Samus pose SMM.png Mario JC 02:26, July 27, 2020 (EDT)